What big companies do you think will not still be here in a decade 's time?

AMKC · 30-07-2020 12:36am #1

I think that Apple and Facebook will either not be here or they will be like that Irish computer maker that used to be real big and the top seller but it's not exactly a household name now. Sorry its name is there in the back of my head but just not coming to me yet.
Hopefully someone here will think of it.

Kaybaykwah · 30-07-2020 12:38am

Shamrock Leprechaun Computers LLC?

padd b1975 · 30-07-2020 12:38am

DIGITAL?

Capt'n Midnight · 30-07-2020 1:12am

Any company that outsources IT. Especially to the lowest price in India.

Any company that gets a new CEO that figures out how to give the shareholders enough money now that they don't care about running the company into the ground.

Any company that starts trading on it's reputation instead of building it.

Capt'n Midnight · 30-07-2020 1:19am

Ireland used to make 90% of the computers for Europe.

Concurrent, Prime, Stratus, Nixdorf, Computer Automation, Amdahl, Apple, Zenith, Wang, Dell, AST ,Digital , Gateway, etc.

and Intel, HP and loads of cards and peripherals made here.

30-07-2020 1:22am

AMKC wrote: »

I think that Apple and Facebook will either not be here or they will be like that Irish computer maker that used to be real big and the top seller but it's not exactly a household name now.

IBM?
(Still here and doing well but you wouldn't necessarily near from them in ordinary life)

Edit, just saw capt'n midnight's post. I bet it was Gateway 2000

YellowBucket · 30-07-2020 1:27am

Apple and Facebook basically have nothing in common other than they're in the IT sector. Apple's a hardware company that makes money out of selling deluxe hardware mostly and services associated with it. They're also much, much older dating back to the 1976. I could see them shrinking from their current peak, but I don't think they'll disappear anytime soon.

Facebook's basically a data-mining advertising company that's making its money out of your information and is increasingly coming under a lot of regulatory scrutiny and political focus due to the kind of stuff it hosting. I could definitely see Facebook being at the very least broken up.

Google may also be split up due to anti-trust issues. It's just far too dominant to be ignored anymore.

I could see Twitter disappearing as it has limited revenue possibilities.

30-07-2020 1:39am

Personally i think Facebooks days, in it's current form are numbered. Few of my friends still use it. Obviously with a personal fortune of about 65 billion, Zuckerberg has enough money to keep it going past the next ice age, but I still think its reached its peak and the decline has started.

Alot of desktop computer manufacturers are going to close. Who wants a desktop when you can get a laptop with the same specs for similar money?

I also wonder about the future of tablets. My phone does everything a tablet can but on a smaller screen, but, it's more comfortable to hold, more comfortable to type on, fits in my pocket. Pair my phone to some VR glasses that look and feel like regular sunglasses and I could get a cinema screen movie experience via my phone.

30-07-2020 1:49am

Bethlehem Steel.

Xtrail14 · 30-07-2020 1:50am

Massive words

KungPao · 30-07-2020 2:13am

Irish Water.

Just kidding.

Larbre34 · 30-07-2020 2:32am

Penneys.

The days of fast disposable fashion are well numbered. The environmental impact is unjustifiable.

Ipso · 30-07-2020 3:13am

Vanderlay industries

30-07-2020 4:20am

Distilled Media.

* cause I is edgey. :cool: :pac:

Rawr · 30-07-2020 9:09am

Controversially...Disney (:eek:)

Well...at least in it's current from. Apparently their finances were not all that great before the pandemic, but they are now bleeding cash out of their many closed parks and attractions.

The brand itself would likely prevail for another 50 - 100 years but the corporation itself is now overloaded with the costs of all of the companies they bought in over the past decade, and apparently they may have been dodging taxes for even longer than that. If lockdowns of the parks continue into next year I'd be surprised if we see a complete Disney Corp. by 2030.

Likely broken up and sold off to various parties to settle debts and tax bills. The parks and movie production divisions might continue to exist under the Disney name but in a scaled back form and maybe even owned by another corporation.

Might see similar happen to a lot of other big studios too.

Kilboor · 30-07-2020 9:22am

Facebook as a company is a lot more than only its Facebook social media.

It owns Whatsapp, Instagram, and Oculus VR so I wouldn't be writing it off as dead in a decade when it also owns the first/second biggest social medias, a possible future technology in Virtual Reality, and the two biggest messenger clients in the west.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mergers_and_acquisitions_by_Facebook

Rawr · 30-07-2020 9:41am

Kilboor wrote: »

Facebook as a company is a lot more than only its Facebook social media.

It owns Whatsapp, Instagram, and Oculus VR so I wouldn't be writing it off as dead in a decade when it also owns the first/second biggest social medias, a possible future technology in Virtual Reality, and the two biggest messenger clients in the west.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mergers_and_acquisitions_by_Facebook

Would be interesting to see if the main social media element of Facebook's website will be the same or even exist by 2030. About 15 years ago you'd only see the bones of what social media would eventually become. 10-15 years into the future the whole concept may have been superseded by something else.

Related to this, I often wonder if featuring social media prominently in a movie or TV series will horribly age it once social media as we know it goes away

30-07-2020 9:44am

AMKC wrote: »

I think that Apple and Facebook will either not be here or they will be like that Irish computer maker that used to be real big and the top seller but it's not exactly a household name now. Sorry its name is there in the back of my head but just not coming to me yet.
Hopefully someone here will think of it.

Apple not here? Not sure how you could arrive at that conclusion. If apple aren't here in 10 years we will all be under water.

Nobody else makes their (exceptionally good) products unlike the vast majority of companies who can't say the same.

Rodney Bathgate · 30-07-2020 9:44am

Ipso wrote: »

Vanderlay industries

Rubbish. There will always be demand for latex.

Mad_maxx · 30-07-2020 9:52am

Rawr wrote: »

Controversially...Disney (:eek:)

Well...at least in it's current from. Apparently their finances were not all that great before the pandemic, but they are now bleeding cash out of their many closed parks and attractions.

The brand itself would likely prevail for another 50 - 100 years but the corporation itself is now overloaded with the costs of all of the companies they bought in over the past decade, and apparently they may have been dodging taxes for even longer than that. If lockdowns of the parks continue into next year I'd be surprised if we see a complete Disney Corp. by 2030.

Likely broken up and sold off to various parties to settle debts and tax bills. The parks and movie production divisions might continue to exist under the Disney name but in a scaled back form and maybe even owned by another corporation.

Might see similar happen to a lot of other big studios too.

Disney have never been bigger or stronger, they own almost everything in America, nevermind movies etc,big sporting event delivers money to Disney

Covid won't last forever and they have oceans of cash

ohnonotgmail · 30-07-2020 10:05am

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Disney have never been bigger or stronger, they own almost everything in America, nevermind movies etc,big sporting event delivers money to Disney

Covid won't last forever and they have oceans of cash

5Bn in cash last sept. not exactly an ocean for a company their size.

YellowBucket · 30-07-2020 11:44am

Kilboor wrote: »

Facebook as a company is a lot more than only its Facebook social media.

It owns Whatsapp, Instagram, and Oculus VR so I wouldn't be writing it off as dead in a decade when it also owns the first/second biggest social medias, a possible future technology in Virtual Reality, and the two biggest messenger clients in the west.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mergers_and_acquisitions_by_Facebook

It may be broken back up into some of the companies it acquired. There’s only so far Google and Facebook can go as they’re becoming monopolies much like Standard Oil or Bell.

The Tetrarch · 30-07-2020 11:44am

AMKC wrote: »

I think that Apple and Facebook will either not be here or they will be like that Irish computer maker that used to be real big and the top seller but it's not exactly a household name now. Sorry its name is there in the back of my head but just not coming to me yet.
Hopefully someone here will think of it.

Gateway

road_high · 30-07-2020 11:46am

I'd say car companies look particularly vulnerable to changing trends.
GM, Ford, Fiat Chrysler have fundamentally massive problems. Parts of them may be semi profitable still but not enough to stave off long term decline.

GiftofGab · 30-07-2020 11:47am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Personally i think Facebooks days, in it's current form are numbered. Few of my friends still use it. Obviously with a personal fortune of about 65 billion, Zuckerberg has enough money to keep it going past the next ice age, but I still think its reached its peak and the decline has started.

Alot of desktop computer manufacturers are going to close. Who wants a desktop when you can get a laptop with the same specs for similar money?

I also wonder about the future of tablets. My phone does everything a tablet can but on a smaller screen, but, it's more comfortable to hold, more comfortable to type on, fits in my pocket. Pair my phone to some VR glasses that look and feel like regular sunglasses and I could get a cinema screen movie experience via my phone.

Offices still use desktops. Plus people working from home are also buying desktops. There's still an industry for them. Might be shrinking but still there.

YellowBucket · 30-07-2020 11:48am

The Tetrarch wrote: »

Gateway

I think though you have to remember with the likes of a Gateway, they owned little or no technology. All they were doing was plugging boards together to make 1990s PCs. Dell wasn’t much better but acquired more tech, mostly by buying other companies, notably in recent years EMC and VM Ware.

CrankyHaus · 30-07-2020 11:52am

I always had a soft spot for these lads with their perpetual motion machine and everlasting battery. Fair play that they last 16 years.

https://fora.ie/steorn-shaun-mccarthy-liquidated-3097083-Nov2016/

I think a lot of airlines will have a hard time surviving the Covid Crisis followed by probable carbon taxation squeezing their business model, especially the more budget non flag carriers.

The Tetrarch · 30-07-2020 12:03pm

GiftofGab wrote: »

Offices still use desktops. Plus people working from home are also buying desktops. There's still an industry for them. Might be shrinking but still there.

I have four desktop PCs: 2008; 2016; 2020; and another being built.
My laptop is in a cupboard in the kitchen, and has been for a few years.

The Tetrarch · 30-07-2020 12:04pm

Tesla

ChikiChiki · 30-07-2020 12:05pm

AMKC wrote: »

I think that Apple and Facebook will either not be here or they will be like that Irish computer maker that used to be real big and the top seller but it's not exactly a household name now. Sorry its name is there in the back of my head but just not coming to me yet.
Hopefully someone here will think of it.

Apple will be here delivering cutting edge tech.

Facebook (the social media component) will hopefully be consigned to the dustbins of history. Pure toxic and they are a couple of scandals away from being shut down for good.

Jimbob1977 · 30-07-2020 12:08pm

Flancrest Enterprises

Pawwed Rig · 30-07-2020 12:09pm

Is the FAI considered a company?

topper75 · 30-07-2020 12:10pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

Penneys.

The days of fast disposable fashion are well numbered. The environmental impact is unjustifiable.

No - that's one bet I will not make.

The environmental thing is a concern limited to a small segment of middle class women who never shopped much in Penneys anyway. This cohort is massively over-represented in the journalism sector.

The vast majority of girls out there don't give a damn. They want cheapest clothes known to humanity; they want them here and they want them now.

Exhibit A: the covid re-opening queue videos.

Mad_maxx · 30-07-2020 12:37pm

The Tetrarch wrote: »

Tesla

Tesla will be far bigger in ten years

corner of hells · 30-07-2020 12:52pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

Penneys.

The days of fast disposable fashion are well numbered. The environmental impact is unjustifiable.

Yet on good days , both Mary St and O Connell street branches take in over a million euros each .

CrankyHaus · 30-07-2020 1:02pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Tesla will be far bigger in ten years

Could go either way, enormous potential and vision but serious issues well documented by the FT for years now. So Elon will either be the Henry Ford of the 21st Century or its John Delorean.

YellowBucket · 30-07-2020 1:05pm

Tesla is hard to call. It’s still very much a tech bubble company that’s only beginning to deliver serious scale of product and a lot of big, established luxury and mainstream brands will be in that space in a big way in the next few years.

completedit · 30-07-2020 1:22pm

I notice Elon Musk's stock falling a bit- More people sort of realizing he's a complete benny. A lot of Tesla's hype is the cult of the CEO. Tesla revolutionized people's perception of the electric car but it might go either way.

AMKC · 30-07-2020 1:34pm

It was IBM I was trying to think of. Forgot all about Gatway. I remember they had some shops in some shopping centres around Dublin too.

30-07-2020 1:34pm

The Tetrarch wrote: »

I have four desktop PCs: 2008; 2016; 2020; and another being built.
My laptop is in a cupboard in the kitchen, and has been for a few years.

If you have a desktop you still need a laptop where as the laptop can do both jobs.

I was using both an iMac and MacBook at work for a while there and in the end while the iMac is lovely to work on its a nuisance when you are up and down from meetings and calls etc that you can’t just undock and have all your stuff open etc but instead have to open up what you want on the MacBook etc. Same going home if you want to do some work at home you have to go opening the stuff again and worrying about conflicts on documents of still open on the desktop etc.

A large high quality screen to connect you laptop to is the job really, also have the advantage of having a second screen automatically in this way as you have the laptop screen also.

Mad_maxx · 30-07-2020 1:34pm

YellowBucket wrote: »

Tesla is hard to call. It’s still very much a tech bubble company that’s only beginning to deliver serious scale of product and a lot of big, established luxury and mainstream brands will be in that space in a big way in the next few years.

the traditional car companies are playing catch up with TESLA , regardless of whether the brand is over hyped , it has completely changed the game and put the rest on the backfoot

TheValeyard · 30-07-2020 1:40pm

I'd say the Tyrrell Corporation will be big in a few years time.

Zaph · 30-07-2020 1:54pm

Weston Quick Bathtub wrote: »

If you have a desktop you still need a laptop

Why? Where I work we access the system using smart cards. If I want to work elsewhere or present from my PC I simply take the card with me to wherever I need to be, plug it into the card reader there and use the keyboard and mouse at that desk. Working from home I plug a card reader into a USB port on my desktop and work away as if I were in the office. A laptop isn't needed in the office and at home I could use one but I use the desktop out of personal preference.

road_high · 30-07-2020 2:33pm

Tesla are an odd one, defo more in the techie cult sphere- far as I know they've never made any serious money but yet are valued more than Toyota. The brand is valuable though and has establsihed itself as a (wealthy) household name with cachet.

Wanderer78 · 30-07-2020 2:43pm

with the availability of endless public money easily available to most of these corporations, most of them could very well be still operational in the near future, even if theres major failures from those operations, all they would need would be a relabeling of 'systemically important', and they ll get the ultimate get out of jail free card, possibly forever.

Muahahaha · 30-07-2020 3:43pm

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Apple will be here delivering cutting edge tech.

Facebook (the social media component) will hopefully be consigned to the dustbins of history. Pure toxic and they are a couple of scandals away from being shut down for good.

yeah thats exactly what I could see bringing down Facebook. Its been obvious to everyone for several years now that they are walking a very skinny tightrope in terms of peoples privacy and data. At this point most people see Zuckerberg as disingenuous in his claims to stand up for users, we all know he is spinning like hell.

So if a couple of scandals were to hit Facebook and Zuckerberg were still CEO when it happened its not that hard to see millions of people deleting their accounts, the tide would turn on them very, very quickly. They will still remain in some form but once trust is lost its impossible to get it back. I think its only a matter of time with Facebook primarily because Zuckerberg has been telling half truths for several years now and eventually it is going to catch up with him.

He would still have Insagram and Whatsapp to fall back on but if a scandal happens Facebook his face will be toxic so at that point I could see him resigning altogether to avoid contagion spreading to his other companies.

Larbre34 · 30-07-2020 3:46pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Tesla will be far bigger in ten years

I don't think so.

Tesla did quite a few things first, but it didn't do them with great quality. Now that Mercedes, Volkswagen Group, BMW, Ford, Toyota, PSA Opel, Jaguar Land Rover, Volvo-Polestar and others are producing PHEVs and Hybrids, they are doing it better and more efficiently.

Tesla cars are badly built and because they lose almost a billion euro a year, every year, their ability to invest in replacements for their Gen 1 models is limited and those cars, especially the Model S and Model X, are dating fast and don't offer the quality and luxury of a Mercedes EQ model or the newly launched Polestar 2, which absolutely spanks the Model 3 on all fronts.

Personally I think they'll end up being acquired by General Motors as a survival move.

Kilboor · 30-07-2020 3:50pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

I don't think so.

Tesla did quite a few things first, but it didn't do them with great quality. Now that Mercedes, Volkswagen Group, BMW, Ford, Toyota, PSA Opel, Jaguar Land Rover, Volvo-Polestar and others are producing PHEVs and Hybrids, they are doing it better and more efficiently.

Tesla cars are badly built and because they lose almost a billion euro a year, every year, their ability to invest in replacements for their Gen 1 models is limited and those cars, especially the Model S and Model X, are dating fast and don't offer the quality and luxury of a Mercedes EQ model or the newly launched Polestar 2, which absolutely spanks the Model 3 on all fronts.

Personally I think they'll end up being acquired by General Motors as a survival move.

Those manufacturers you mentioned above are certainly not producing better electric cars more efficiently than Tesla yet nor are they selling as many.

http://www.ev-volumes.com/country/total-world-plug-in-vehicle-volumes/

https://insideevs.com/news/396177/global-ev-sales-december-2019/

blue note · 30-07-2020 3:51pm

I wonder where sky will be in a decade. They won't be gone, but I don't think their model will work going forward.

There's more competition from the likes of netflix, Disney+, amazon prime, etc. Those companies could also pull the rights from sky for their shows too if they can make more selling it directly themselves.

And I imagine the same will happen with sports. Plenty of people just get sky sports for one of the soccer / Rugby / golf. If they offered their product directly to you via a Web subscription for less than sky, they'd get more power customer and you'd get it cheaper.

You can see that they're trying to change their model so that people can get them via nowtv, watch the on demand stuff, package their TV with their broadband, etc. But basically, they'll have to invest heavily to compete with companies with deeper pockets than them. I wouldn't be investing in them any time soon.

Wanderer78 · 30-07-2020 3:53pm

blue note wrote: »

I wonder where sky will be in a decade. They won't be gone, but I don't think their model will work going forward.

There's more competition from the likes of netflix, Disney+, amazon prime, etc. Those companies could also pull the rights from sky for their shows too if they can make more selling it directly themselves.

And I imagine the same will happen with sports. Plenty of people just get sky sports for one of the soccer / Rugby / golf. If they offered their product directly to you via a Web subscription for less than sky, they'd get more power customer and you'd get it cheaper.

You can see that they're trying to change their model so that people can get them via nowtv, watch the on demand stuff, package their TV with their broadband, etc. But basically, they'll have to invest heavily to compete with companies with deeper pockets than them. I wouldn't be investing in them any time soon.

....and the 'alternatives' market is growing quickly!

blue note · 30-07-2020 3:58pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

....and the 'alternatives' market is growing quickly!

We're with virgin. If it wasn't for the fact that the TV isn't all that much extra on top of the broadband, we'd just get the broadband and netflix or the like. I don't have sports because I wouldn't pay 25 a month or whatever it is fit for it. But if golf on it's was offered for 8e per month I'd happily pay it.

What big companies do you think will not still be here in a decade 's time?

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