Information on soldiers in WW1

Shane-1 · 05-04-2009 8:23pm #1

Hello All, does anyone here know good sources of information on Irish soldiers who fought in the first world war? I have the persons names, regiments and regiment numbers, just wondering if there are any more details I could muster from anywhere? eg where they were from etc?
Thanks everybody!

johnny_doyle · 06-04-2009 8:42am

ancestry has some pension/service info as well as medal rolls

http://www.ancestry.co.uk/

Ancestry costs to subscribe. If you post the details, myself or another ancestry subscriber could check for you.

Commonwealth War Graves Commission site for those who died :

http://www.cwgc.org/

as well as te Irish War Memorials site http://www.irishwarmemorials.ie/

the Long Trail for questions about units, soldiers, battles, equipment etc..

http://www.1914-1918.net/
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php

enfeild · 06-04-2009 10:18am

I collect war dead databases. email me
museumtom@hotmail.com

Shane-1 · 06-04-2009 4:40pm

Hello again, thanks very much for your replies, any help anyone can give me on this would be fantastic!

The people who I am seeking info on are;
William Cox. Royal Dublin Fusiliers. Regiment number 29581. Rank - Private.
Thomas O Brien. Royal Welsh Fusiliers. Regiment number 13264. Rank - Private.
The third person is more of a mystery, what I have on him is that he is a J.Green, a Private in the R.I.F. Brig (surely the Royal Irish Fusiliers?) His regiment number is here as B - 1945, dont know what that means as the others dont appear like this. This must surely be a mistake on my part, this must not be the regiment number at all.

Im looking for any sort of information on these men, where they fought (if thats possible) ages, anything at all would be valuable! I know that two of them were from county Clare - J Green and T O Brien, and thats the sum total of what I know about them

enfeild · 06-04-2009 6:26pm

COX, WILLIAM WARING
Initials: W W
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Royal Dublin Fusiliers
Unit Text: "A" Coy. 1st Bn.
Age: 19
Date of Death: 21/03/1918
Service No: 29581
Additional information: Son of John and Ellen Edith Cox, of Limerick.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: IV. A. 14.
Cemetery: EPEHY WOOD FARM CEMETERY, EPEHY
Born in Limerick and enlisted there also. Killed in action

O'BRIEN, THOMAS
Initials: T
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Royal Welsh Fusiliers
Unit Text: 9th Bn.
Date of Death: 08/11/1915
Service No: 13264
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 50 to 52.
Memorial: LOOS MEMORIAL
Born in Kilmurrybricam, County Clare. Enlisted in Tonypandy while living in Shandrum. Killed in action.

GREEN, JOHN
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Rifleman
Regiment/Service: Rifle Brigade
Unit Text: 4th Bn.
Date of Death: 04/05/1915
Service No: B/1945
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 46 - 48 and 50.
Memorial: YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL
Born in Kilkee, County Clare. Enlisted in Birmingham while living in Fulham in Middlesex.Killed in action.

johnny_doyle · 06-04-2009 10:19pm

attached are the medal cardsfor the 3 men listed. John Green's gives the name and addressof a sister and a contact in Ireland.

Nothing found re service or pension records on Ancestry.

W Cox RDF
http://www.irishwarmemorials.ie/html/showMemorial.php?show=173

Fratton Fred · 06-04-2009 11:01pm

I never cease to be impressed with the care and diligence that the records and memorials are kept.

Just to point out the obvious, Thomas O'Brien and John Green only have a memorial reference, which means they have no known grave. I believe you can get a photo of the Headstone or memorial panel from the CWGC to round things off, better still, go to Belgium and take a look. The Menin Gate memorial, especially when they play the last post there in the early evening, is something you will never forget.

Shane-1 · 07-04-2009 12:23am

Thanks everyone, thats more than I could have asked for

I cant thank you enough for that help.

Im delighted to get that information, but also saddened now to learn of the fate of these men. The tragedy of occurances like these is only hammered home to you when you can see names, ages and other details. It makes it real I suppose. Thanks again for all your help.

enfeild · 07-04-2009 6:53am

Glad to help.
Regards.
Tom.

Snickers Man · 07-04-2009 12:26pm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I never cease to be impressed with the care and diligence that the records and memorials are kept.

Just to point out the obvious, Thomas O'Brien and John Green only have a memorial reference, which means they have no known grave. I believe you can get a photo of the Headstone or memorial panel from the CWGC to round things off

Nothing unusual in that. Most fatalities from the First World War have no known graves. Forensic identification methods were not as sophisticated then as they are now. Also, killing technology had advanced at a much faster pace than tactics and so the scale of the casualties, in terms both of numbers killed and the severity of the physical damage inflicted on each soldier was much greater than anticipated.

Usually, the CWGC people have a fair idea who is buried in which cemetery, but they were not able to get down to individual grave identifications. So most cemeteries have a lot of "Unknown soldier" headstones and then a memorial plaque with the names of men believed to be buried there.

Fratton Fred · 07-04-2009 2:20pm

Snickers Man wrote: »

Nothing unusual in that. Most fatalities from the First World War have no known graves. Forensic identification methods were not as sophisticated then as they are now. Also, killing technology had advanced at a much faster pace than tactics and so the scale of the casualties, in terms both of numbers killed and the severity of the physical damage inflicted on each soldier was much greater than anticipated.

Usually, the CWGC people have a fair idea who is buried in which cemetery, but they were not able to get down to individual grave identifications. So most cemeteries have a lot of "Unknown soldier" headstones and then a memorial plaque with the names of men believed to be buried there.

I didn't realise it was most. would definately recommended a trip to Ypres, it is a very moving area.

Snickers Man · 07-04-2009 7:16pm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I didn't realise it was most..

The CWGC cemetery pages make it very plain. Compare and contrast the Thiepval Anglo-French cemetery for example, 600 graves of which only 108 are identified with the Thiepval memorial to the missing of the British and Commonwealth forces: 72,000 names of men with no known grave.

This is not to suggest that the Thiepval cemetery is the only graveyard of casualties from the Somme but 72,000 men without a known grave in just that sector is a staggering figure.

So too is the New Menin Gate at Ypres. More than 54,000 names, from just one of the belligerent armies in that sector, of men who have no known grave.

In the Gallipoli region there are more than 20 cemeteries of Commonwealth casualties from that campaign. All told there are about 9,500 identified graves and nearly 11,000 unidentified.

Between the various memorials to the missing like the Helles Memorial there are about 26,000 names of men with no known grave. I am not sure whether that overlaps with the 11,000 unidentified in other cemeteries or not. I suspect it does. But even if it overlaps fully, it still means that less than one in three of the Commonwealth fatalities from that campaign are in individually marked graves.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

would definately recommended a trip to Ypres, it is a very moving area.

Never been there yet. I've been to cemeteries elsewhere. Of all nationalities. In Normandy and elswehere. All are poignant, but the most beautiful military cemetery I have ever seen is in Wicklow. The German war cemetery in Glencree, containing the bodies of sailors and airmen found in and around Ireland in both World Wars is in the most idyllic setting.

A different sensation, perhaps, to what one might feel in Ypres or Normandy, but certainly worth a visit.

Fratton Fred · 07-04-2009 9:22pm

Snickers Man wrote: »

A different sensation, perhaps, to what one might feel in Ypres or Normandy, but certainly worth a visit.

I kind of stumbled accross Glencree whilst out for a drive before I moved over. We had a look and I kind of exclaimed that this looks like a war cemetary, but no one with me knew what it was or why it was there, although I think there was a small sign with a bit of an explanation.

I found it quite a sad place, because it is almost as if the men burried there are almost the forgotten dead. I understand the German Embassy do hold a ceremony there on the German rememberance day and there is a society in Germany that looks after it.

johnny_doyle · 07-04-2009 9:59pm

the 2 chaps killed in 1915 would have most likely been going into the fray without steel helmets - not generally issued until 1916.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brodie_helmet

for more about the RDF

http://www.greatwar.ie/assoc.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Dublin_Fusiliers

General
http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/eng/index.asp?docID=2517

http://www.eneclann.ie/acatalog/All_Releases_En.html
Eneclann do a CD entitled
Ireland's Memorial Records: World War 1 1914-1918
but it is expensive. I'm sure that there is a printed equivalent in the Pearse St Library in Dublin. There is also a CD with the wills of some WW1 Irish soldiers.

You might want to see if you can get to see their entries in Soldiers Died in the Great War for their respective regiments. This may give a date of birth etc if you don't have this already. You may be able to post a query on the Long Trail forum; one of the guys there may well be able to do a look up for you.

Ponster · 08-04-2009 11:37am

Snickers Man wrote: »

Nothing unusual in that.

Have you seen the news from last month that records of millions of WWI soldiers have been discovered (Red Cross records) that identify the 'unknown' graves.

The records should be available by 2014.

Morlar · 08-04-2009 12:25pm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I kind of stumbled accross Glencree whilst out for a drive before I moved over. We had a look and I kind of exclaimed that this looks like a war cemetary, but no one with me knew what it was or why it was there, although I think there was a small sign with a bit of an explanation.

There is a clear marker on it both outside of it and within the alcove (if I remember correctly). Also the graves are marked & dated and a good portion are identified by more than just the 'Deutsche Soldaten' so its hard to mistake what it is.

The German war graves commission look after it though the place can get waterlogged at times & during summer months this causes lots of midges to swarm around the area which can't be a pleasant experience for visiting relatives.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glencree

http://www.irishwarmemorials.ie/html/place-details.php?show=122

Fratton Fred · 08-04-2009 1:24pm

Morlar wrote: »

There is a clear marker on it both outside of it and within the alcove (if I remember correctly). Also the graves are marked & dated and a good portion are identified by more than just the 'Deutsche Soldaten' so its hard to mistake what it is.

The German war graves commission look after it though the place can get waterlogged at times & during summer months this causes lots of midges to swarm around the area which can't be a pleasant experience for visiting relatives.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glencree

http://www.irishwarmemorials.ie/html/place-details.php?show=122

Oh yeah, it beacme obvious when we got out of the car, I was a little surprised that none of my relatives knew it was there or why it was there, especially as three of them had spent time in the Glencree centre in their younger days.

I found it very intriguing.

Snickers Man · 08-04-2009 1:55pm

Ponster wrote: »

Have you seen the news from last month that records of millions of WWI soldiers have been discovered (Red Cross records) that identify the 'unknown' graves.

The records should be available by 2014.

That's very interesting. Although it's not clear that it could get down to the level of identifying individual graves. Many cemeteries already have plaques in them with names of soldiers "known or believed to be buried here" without being able to identify each individual grave.

Thanks for that. I'll look forward to learning more.

Ponster · 08-04-2009 2:57pm

I saw a BBC interview with the person who found the records and he said that it contains millions of references to grave records that are today marked unknown but the records have the actual name and coordinates e.g. (ROW 14, Grave 455, Pvt. John Smith)

Michael P · 28-07-2009 10:35pm

johnny_doyle wrote: »

W Cox RDF
http://www.irishwarmemorials.ie/html/showMemorial.php?show=173

A little more about William Waring Cox, from "The Widow's Penny", by Patrick J. McNamara (published by the author, 2000): as well as the memorial to the Men of Thomond in the link above, he is commemorated on a memorial tablet in the Limerick Protestant Young Men's Association, O'Connell Street, Limerick, and on the family grave in St. Munchin's C. of I. cemetery, Limerick City.

Michael P.

homerhop · 30-07-2009 10:26pm

I am looking to see can I find any information on my Great Grandfather who was in the Conaught Rangers during WW1. The information I have is very limited. His name was Patrick Jennings and my family think he enlisted around 1916. He was shipped out from Ballykindler in NI. His trade was as a farrier and my great grandmother spoke that he spent time in the middle east.
Any information on how to trace this would be greatly appreciated.

Michael P · 30-07-2009 11:09pm

homerhop wrote: »

I am looking to see can I find any information on my Great Grandfather who was in the Conaught Rangers during WW1. The information I have is very limited. His name was Patrick Jennings and my family think he enlisted around 1916. He was shipped out from Ballykindler in NI. His trade was as a farrier and my great grandmother spoke that he spent time in the middle east.
Any information on how to trace this would be greatly appreciated.

Join up to the Great War Forum (http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/) and you will get a lot of help. It's also worth visiting the Connaught Rangers Association at http://www.connaughtrangersassoc.com/
Michael P.

arnhem44 · 31-07-2009 1:22pm

Theres three P. Jennings listed on the National Archives in England,below are there rank and number,Sorry I only listed one earlier.

Jennings, Patrick J
Private
Connaught Rangers
Regiment No 5939
1914-1920

also Patrick Jennings
No.5940 Connaught Rangers
And P.Jennings
5967 Connaught Rangers

Ponster · 31-07-2009 1:27pm

arnhem44 wrote: »

Theres only one Patrick Jennings listed on the National Archives in England,below is his rank and number,

Jennings, Patrick J
Private
Connaught Rangers
Regiment No 5939
1914-1920

Someone with access to Ancestry can perhaps see if there are any surviving documents.

arnhem44 · 31-07-2009 2:04pm

There may be pension records,medical records and medal rolls available form the National Archives but this requires a visit to the building in Kew in London as these are not available on line,you can pay some one to go there and search for you and these can be found online offering there services.A soldiers medal card can be downloaded for a fee of around two pounds and will show you his medal entitlements,the Common Wealth War Graves Commissions records can be accessed online to check if a soldier was a casualty free of charge,other records are available also,if your soldier obtained any form of award(Military Cross,Bravery Award,etc)an entry will of been published in the London Gazette and again can be accessed online,theres a whole list of places to look,the red cross,war memorials,prisoner of war records,the soldiers regiment(some records kept in house),the different associations linked to your regiment in question as mentioned by Michael P, the absent voters list,the list is endless.Later on I'll post up the weblinks to anything I have that may be of use to people.

arnhem44 · 01-08-2009 1:20am

I hope some of these maybe of some help.

www.1914-1918.net ( The Long Long Trail,back ground research to start off)

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/medals.asp#medalsindex (Medal Cards,Pension Records,Discharge Papers,Medal Rolls,Medical Records,etc.)

www.cwgc.org (Casaulty Search,Free of Charge)

www.icrc.org/eng/contact-archives (International Redcross,P.O.W Records,Family only I think)

http://www.redcross.org.uk/standard.asp?id=3423 (Voluntary Aid Detachement, V.A.D,The Redcross keep there own records of there own Personnel)

www.irishwarmemorials.ie (Listing all memorials around Ireland with a full researchable list of names that are on them)

www.ukniwm.org.uk (British Memorials)

www.southafricawargraves.org ( South African War Graves commission)

www.naa.gov.au/collection/explore/defence/conflicts.aspx (Australian National Archives)

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/index-e.html (Canadian National Archives)

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/a.../020152_e.html (Canadian Diary Entries)

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/help/abbreviations-rank.asp (Abbreviations of Rank)

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/help/Abbreviations-unit.asp (Abbreviations of Unit)

http://www.military-genealogy.com/productHome?product=ww1 (Soldiers Died In the Great War,Subscription Based)

http://www.greatwar.ie/ire_batir2.html (Royal Dublin Fusiliers)

http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/ (Great War Forum)

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pathways/firstworldwar/service_records/sr_soldiers.htm (Back ground Information)

http://homepage.eircom.net/~tipperaryfame/twardead.htm (Tipperary Casualty List)

http://www.esatclear.ie/~curragh/casualty.htm (Kildare Casualty List)

http://baseportal.com/cgi-bin/baseportal.pl?htx=/research/WW1&localparams=1 (Dublin Casualty List)

http://www.irishidentity.com/extras/hidden/stories/armistice.htm (Longford Casualty List)

http://www.thegenealogist.co.uk/wardead.php (research Site)

http://www.irishsoldiers.com/index.htm (Military Heritage Trust Of Ireland)

http://www.connaughtrangersassoc.com/ (Connaught Rangers)

http://www.ww1battlefields.co.uk/index.html (Battlefield Back Ground)

http://www.westernfrontassociation.com/ (Western Front Association)

http://www.eneclann.ie/acatalog/ENEC016_-_World_War_1_Irish_Soldiers.html (Irish Casaulty and Wills CD-Rom's)

http://www.connaughtrangers.co.uk/ (Connaught Rangers/UK)

http://www.vaugh.co.uk/sih/ (South Irish Horse)

http://freespace.virgin.net/sh.k/xvidiv.html (16th Irish Division)

http://www.dungarvanmuseum.org/exhibit/web/Display/article/136 (Waterford Museum)

http://www.ww1cemeteries.com/In%20memory/In%20Memory%20Ext/roll%20of%20honour%20dedications/roll_of_honour_dedications.htm (WW1 Cemeteries Roll Of Honour)

http://www.shotatdawncampaignirl.org/ (Shot At Dawn Campaign)

http://royalmunsterfusiliers.net/ (Munster Fusiliers)

http://kildare.ie/hospitality/historyandheritage/athyheritage/ww1.htm (Athy Heritage Including Kildare Casualty List)

http://www.2ndbattalionroyalulsterriflesreenactmentgroup.webeden.co.uk/#/36th-ulster-division/4528915153 (36th Ulster Division)

http://www.movinghere.org.uk/galleries/roots/irish/irishrecordsuk/soldiers.htm# (Back ground Info)

http://republic-of-ireland.britishlegion.org.uk/ (Royal British Legion in Ireland)

http://www.rmfa92.org/Links.htm (Royal Munster Fusiliers Association)

http://www.ww1photos.com/index.html (WW1 Soldiers Photo Archive)

http://www.btinternet.com/~prosearch/tomspage19.html (P.O.W Info)

Ponster · 01-08-2009 8:21am

arnhem44 wrote: »

There may be pension records,medical records and medal rolls available form the National Archives but this requires a visit to the building in Kew in London as these are not available on line...

JFI, they are available but aren't free.

What I did was signup at ancestry.co.uk and take the free 17-day trial and searched for and downloaded the pension info/medal rolls from there.

arnhem44 · 01-08-2009 1:54pm

Cheers for that Ponster,I knew Ancestry had some records but its good to know that these are available online at last,these always required a visit to Kew before.

JohnThomas09 · 29-10-2009 5:09pm

I'm looking for information on a relative of mine that I believed fought in the Battle of the Somme and may have been killed on duty(not sure yet).
He would have been with the Connaught Rangers,i have checked out the Connaught Rangers Association Website but have had no reply.His name was Thomas Kerrigan(born 1895),he was from Glencar,Co.Leitrim and he was a brother of Charles Kerrigan who took part in the Munity in India.

Can anyone help me with this?

Ponster · 29-10-2009 5:36pm

The CWGC doesn't have a grave record for him unless he was with the Royal Irish Rifles.

I see him in the 1911 census though

JohnThomas09 · 29-10-2009 6:16pm

Ponster wrote: »

The CWGC doesn't have a grave record for him unless he was with the Royal Irish Rifles.

I see him in the 1911 census though

Ya I got him in 1911 Census alright.Where could I go from here to find out more information on him?

Ponster · 29-10-2009 6:31pm

I don't know enough about all this lark to know where to look next but interestingly, ancestry.com has an Irish Thomas F Kerrigan, born in 1895, arriving in Southampton. I don't know from where or when as my subscription has expired but you might get lucky with an ancestry.com search.

edit : 1911 census lists only 4 Thomas Kerrigans born in 1895

enfeild · 29-10-2009 6:43pm

He is not in Irelands Memorial Records nor Soldiers died in the Great War.
Regards.
Tom

JohnThomas09 · 29-10-2009 6:50pm

Ponster wrote: »

I don't know enough about all this lark to know where to look next but interestingly, ancestry.com has an Irish Thomas F Kerrigan, born in 1895, arriving in Southampton. I don't know from where or when as my subscription has expired but you might get lucky with an ancestry.com search.

edit : 1911 census lists only 4 Thomas Kerrigans born in 1895

That could be him.The following link is him on the census records from 1911 if its of any help: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Leitrim/Glencar/Tawnamachugh/656332/

arnhem44 · 29-10-2009 10:00pm

National Archives medal cards of T.Kerrigans below,none show up any for the Connaught Rangers,there is only one Kerrigan showing up for that regiment and his name is James Kerrigan but the CWGC records don't have this soldier listed as a casualty

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/search-results.asp?searchtype=browserefine&query=first_name%3dthomas%7clast_name%3dkerrigan&catid=10&pagenumber=1&querytype=1&mediaarray=*

johnny_doyle · 31-10-2009 1:09pm

haven't found anything re Thomas Kerrigan on Ancestry. There is a small family tree on Ancestry for the brother Charles Kerrigan (1901 -1991) Glencar, Leitrim but it doesn't list Thomas (nor Bernard the other brother showing on the 1911 census).

There are a number of family trees for Kerrigan from Glencar, Leitrim on GenesReunited. Two have Charles but none appear to have Thomas or Bernard.

johnny_doyle · 31-10-2009 2:15pm

arnhem44 wrote: »

Theres three P. Jennings listed on the National Archives in England,below are there rank and number,Sorry I only listed one earlier.

Jennings, Patrick J
Private
Connaught Rangers
Regiment No 5939
1914-1920

also Patrick Jennings
No.5940 Connaught Rangers
And P.Jennings
5967 Connaught Rangers

there's a Pension record for 5939 Patrick James Jennings on Ancestry but he's listed as being a Ship Plumber from 88 King St, Garston, Liverpool before joing 1st Bn Connaught Rangers.

There's a service record for 5967 Patrick Jennings, a labourer from Claremorris. Enlisted Nov 1915, Next of Kin Miss Maggie Jennings. He appears to have died as there are letters from a brother re claiming support for a younger sister (presumably the Maggie listed) and some dispute re an older sister re claiming belongings. A letter from the older(?) sister then shows him as L/Cpl no P/11737 and his date of death as 6th Oct 1918. This ties in with the CWGC record at

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=1481418

There's no service or pension record for 5940 Jennings that I can see. The medal card gives little info. Victory Medal and British War Medal but no Star. No Battalion or theatre of operations listed.

JohnThomas09 · 01-11-2009 2:19pm

johnny_doyle wrote: »

haven't found anything re Thomas Kerrigan on Ancestry. There is a small family tree on Ancestry for the brother Charles Kerrigan (1901 -1991) Glencar, Leitrim but it doesn't list Thomas (nor Bernard the other brother showing on the 1911 census).

There are a number of family trees for Kerrigan from Glencar, Leitrim on GenesReunited. Two have Charles but none appear to have Thomas or Bernard.

Thats a great help.How can I access these?maybe the reason Bernard is not on them is because as far as I know he was killed in a house fire sometime after 1911 but he still should be on their.Thanks for that.

Ponster · 01-11-2009 3:23pm

JohnThomas09 wrote: »

Thats a great help.How can I access these?maybe the reason Bernard is not on them is because as far as I know he was killed in a house fire sometime after 1911 but he still should be on their.Thanks for that.

You need to go to ancestry.co.uk and sign up for their 14-day free trial (you'll need a CC number). It'll cost you nothing as long as you cancel within the 14 days.

EDIT : I just checked the record and it just says that Charles married Florence Fallon who died in 1984 and they have a living descendent who married a women named 'Cotter' and who have a kid with the surname Kerrigan. They are restricting information to all people alive in their family tree.

Here are the people they list :

Cotter, Silvester 1880 - 1962 - Ovens, Cork, Ireland
Fallon, Florence 1899 - Sligo, Ireland 1984 - Glencar, Leitrim, Ireland
Kelleher, 1896 - 1968 - Ovens, Cork, Ireland
Kerrigan, Charles 1901 - Glencar, Leitrim, Ireland 08-1991 - Glencar, Leitrim, Ireland
Kerrigan, Patrick 1798 - Glencar, Leitrim, Ireland 1870 - Glencar, Leitrim, Ireland
Kerrigan, Thomas 1850 - Glencar, Leitrim, Ireland 1923 - Glencar, Leitrim, Ireland

It appears to be Charles Kerrigan's grandson who is compiling the tree.

johnny_doyle · 01-11-2009 5:54pm

Ponster wrote: »

They are restricting information to all people alive in their family tree.

that's a feature of Ancestry for privacy reasons.

A family member/researcher can be invited to look at a tree as a guest/contributor/editor. It's worthwhile signing up for the free trial, conntacting the tree owner and then giving them your email address and asking them to invite you to the tree. You don't need to have an account to continue viewing the tree via this method.

there is a book/article that you might be able to get thru your library service re Charles Kerrigan :

Barr, Stuart. 'Charles Kerrigan and the mutiny of the Connaught Rangers at Solon, 1920'. Cathair na Mart (Westport Historical Society), 10 (1990), 84-93. ISSN 03324117.

I have a copy of Pollock's "Mutiny for the Cause" re the Connaught Rangers at Solon etc but no mention of Kerrigan.

JohnThomas09 · 01-11-2009 6:53pm

Ponster wrote: »

You need to go to ancestry.co.uk and sign up for their 14-day free trial (you'll need a CC number). It'll cost you nothing as long as you cancel within the 14 days.

EDIT : I just checked the record and it just says that Charles married Florence Fallon who died in 1984 and they have a living descendent who married a women named 'Cotter' and who have a kid with the surname Kerrigan. They are restricting information to all people alive in their family tree.

Here are the people they list :

Cotter, Silvester 1880 - 1962 - Ovens, Cork, Ireland
Fallon, Florence 1899 - Sligo, Ireland 1984 - Glencar, Leitrim, Ireland
Kelleher, 1896 - 1968 - Ovens, Cork, Ireland
Kerrigan, Charles 1901 - Glencar, Leitrim, Ireland 08-1991 - Glencar, Leitrim, Ireland
Kerrigan, Patrick 1798 - Glencar, Leitrim, Ireland 1870 - Glencar, Leitrim, Ireland
Kerrigan, Thomas 1850 - Glencar, Leitrim, Ireland 1923 - Glencar, Leitrim, Ireland

It appears to be Charles Kerrigan's grandson who is compiling the tree.

thanks for that.Well im Chalres great Grandson,he had twelve children and he came from a family of eleven,so were all over the place by now:cool:
what records did ya get this on??the 14day free trial doesnt seem to be on offer.It Charles older brother i'd like to find out more about.

JohnThomas09 · 01-11-2009 7:04pm

johnny_doyle wrote: »

that's a feature of Ancestry for privacy reasons.

A family member/researcher can be invited to look at a tree as a guest/contributor/editor. It's worthwhile signing up for the free trial, conntacting the tree owner and then giving them your email address and asking them to invite you to the tree. You don't need to have an account to continue viewing the tree via this method.

there is a book/article that you might be able to get thru your library service re Charles Kerrigan :

Barr, Stuart. 'Charles Kerrigan and the mutiny of the Connaught Rangers at Solon, 1920'. Cathair na Mart (Westport Historical Society), 10 (1990), 84-93. ISSN 03324117.

I have a copy of Pollock's "Mutiny for the Cause" re the Connaught Rangers at Solon etc but no mention of Kerrigan.

Ya i know a good bit about Charile's exploits,he was at Solon with James Daly and the others.Its the older brother that im keen to research..

R.Dub.Fusilier · 01-11-2009 7:58pm

JohnThomas09 wrote: »

Ya i know a good bit about Charile's exploits,he was at Solon with James Daly and the others.Its the older brother that im keen to research..

dont know if you read ''The Devil To Pay'' by Anthony Babington . its a bit onesided but has godd info in it.Charles Kerrigan is mentioned in it quite a bit. you might also try ''The connaught Rangers'' by T.P Kilfeather . The irish Sword issue Summer2001 has 3 articles about the munity in it if you can lay your hands on it. i have a keen interest in the munity in india and james daly in particular. i got my hands on his army bed plate a few months back.

Ponster · 01-11-2009 8:37pm

JohnThomas09 wrote: »

thanks for that.Well im Chalres great Grandson,he had twelve children and he came from a family of eleven,so were all over the place by now:cool:
what records did ya get this on??the 14day free trial doesnt seem to be on offer.It Charles older brother i'd like to find out more about.

The free trial offer is available on the first page of the site.

The person who created the tree seems to be Charles's grandson and so maybe an uncle or 2nd cousin of yours.

spidersonmars · 23-11-2009 10:00pm

Hi,
I've hit a dead end. My great Grand father above signed up to the 8th in 1901(Curragh) for a second time. He was kicked out for being too young the first time. I believe that his brother John was in the same regiment and signed up in 1914. I have been on ancestry etc. But I could see a service number and am slightly unsure if I found the correct person. The regiments historian has retired so a bit of a dead end there. He's not on the 1911 census because I believe that he was stationed in India at the time. I have ordered the regs history but I'm not hopeful of getting further details. If anyone has any tips I would be most greatful.

JohnThomas09 · 25-11-2009 2:50pm

Ponster wrote: »

The free trial offer is available on the first page of the site.

The person who created the tree seems to be Charles's grandson and so maybe an uncle or 2nd cousin of yours.

Just wondering if you could help me further.I have found out some information on my relative.I found out that there was a Thomas Kerrigan that was with the 7th Regiment of the Royal Irish Rifles,he was killed in France on the 7-9-1914,i have his soldier number.Im looking to get a copy of this mans death cert,to make sure its my relative.Any advice?

Ponster · 25-11-2009 5:16pm

I don't think that there are death certs issued for WWI casulties I'm afraid.

This T.K. has the following info in his file :

Birth Place: Manorhamilton, CO. Leitrim
Residence: Boyle, CO. Roscommon

But I can't find any soldier records which would of hand next-of-kin details.

The T.K. who died on 7-9-1914 is the one I referred to in my post on the previous page.

Ponster · 26-11-2009 3:43pm

I've sent you a PM.

johnny_doyle · 27-11-2009 8:09pm

Ponster wrote: »

I don't think that there are death certs issued for WWI casulties I'm afraid.

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death certs were issued for WW1 casualties (or at least for some). I have the death cert for my Gt Grandfather who was KIA in France in 1917. There are a separate batch of indexes for soldiers killed in WW1 in the GRO in London but you don't get any information that's not already dealt with via the CWGC site or Soldiers Died in the Great War.

lebowski11 · 07-12-2009 1:19am

This is a long shot....
I've been researching my family tree of late(thanks pinkypinky for the thread...great help) but I've hit an impasse with regards to my great grandfather on my fathers side. His name was Patrick Whelan and he supposedly fought in the Great War. The thing is, Pat apparently changed his name from Phelan to Whelan in order to join the British army. He attempted to join in Limerick, where he was born, but he was too young. I'm told that he then signed up in Waterford under the new name of Patrick Whelan rather than Patrick Phelan.When this happened I dont know.I've found a couple of Pat Whelan's on the ancestry website that signed up in Limerick and Waterford.I'd greatly apprecated it if any one with access to this site could look up these Patrick Whelan's for me. I know that Patrick married in the first half of 1918 so he was discharged before then. Apparently he was shell shocked but made a recovery. For those in the know, was it common for teenagers to lie about their age in order to sign up? I believe that Tom Barry did so.I think he was 15 and added a year or two to his age. Thanks, and sorry about the long winded post.

Ponster · 07-12-2009 1:48pm

lebowski11 wrote: »

When this happened I dont know.I've found a couple of Pat Whelan's on the ancestry website that signed up in Limerick and Waterford.

Do you have links to these people on the Ancestry site? I checked 3 people who signed up in Waterford; one signed-up in1908, another has a Louise Walshe (sister), Portlaw as next-of-kin and the third is missing too many docs to make anything out.

I didn't see any linkied with Limerick though hence my asking for the links.

Information on soldiers in WW1

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