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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,848 ✭✭✭tech


    very true, but it would be worth it !


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Daisy03 wrote: »
    I've been to similiar events before where questions were submitted on the night of the event. I've never been to one where they had to be emailed in advance.

    It just felt like the Q&A session was a complete cop out. Other events I have been to for podcasts and documentaries have been so much better. I was really looking forward to the West Cork event but was very disappointed.

    I would have thought that given the nature of this unresolved case that it would be obvious that they would have to put some control measures in place for legal reasons.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,741 ✭✭✭MyPeopleDrankTheSoup


    just finished this podcast. what strikes me as bizarre is when you find sophie's house and ian's house on google maps. they're miles from each other, about a 50 minute walk on ****ty roads. and he walked on the bridge (which marie retracted), it's about a 90 minute walk. pissed drunk and in the middle of the night in winter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    just finished this podcast. what strikes me as bizarre is when you find sophie's house and ian's house on google maps. they're miles from each other, about a 50 minute walk on ****ty roads. and he walked on the bridge (which marie retracted), it's about a 90 minute walk. pissed drunk and in the middle of the night in winter.

    Interesting...Has this mapping been done online or did you do it yourself?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,741 ✭✭✭MyPeopleDrankTheSoup


    TomOnBoard wrote: »
    Interesting...Has this mapping been done online or did you do it yourself?

    I did it myself.

    https://goo.gl/maps/6ADkUj26kPy5eALu9

    That's the direct walk.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,527 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    The place is so remote even the technical team from Dublin couldn't find it without the local gardai. I'm sure there was a delay in them travelling down because they hadn't a clue where they were going.

    The biggest **** up was leaving the body outside in the lashing rain all night.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10 PodcastReview


    This is great, what podcasts used to be about.

    Entertaining and educational.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Its on Youtube too ?
    or just parts of it ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,808 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Is there anywhere you can listen to this for free


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,624 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Is there anywhere you can listen to this for free

    As far as I remember, you don't have to pay anything to listen to it on Audible. You just sign up, no payment.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    You do have to pay but you can sign up for a free trial and then cancel after you’ve listened.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,591 ✭✭✭✭Aidric


    Saw a tweet from one of the podcast makers today that the series is now freely available on iTunes so I downloaded the first few episodes, up to episode 5 at the moment.

    This case has always fascinated me and I was glad to see the meticulous effort by the makers in retelling the story. There are so many loose ends and bungles in this case, not to mention the shady testimonies, that it is possible to come to any number of conclusions.

    Something said in one of the earlier episodes by one of the locals about a possible French connection to the case stuck with me. She was married to a man of means who knew that she had been carrying on affairs. Even though all involved with the case have dismissed French involvement I don't think it is beyond question. Surely it was possible for her husband to arrange a hit and have the killer escape back on a flight/boat to France? It's also curious that all her family travelled to Ireland on Christmas eve but her husband didn't travel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,808 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    This was a very good podcast
    I little about the case going in and found it fascinating ,
    I still don't know what I think of Ian but he is a very odd chap ,
    One thing that I will say is that he is very easy to listen to, it kind of makes me uncomfortable to say that knowing that what he may have done ,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,808 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Aidric wrote: »
    Saw a tweet from one of the podcast makers today that the series is now freely available on iTunes so I downloaded the first few episodes, up to episode 5 at the moment.

    This case has always fascinated me and I was glad to see the meticulous effort by the makers in retelling the story. There are so many loose ends and bungles in this case, not to mention the shady testimonies, that it is possible to come to any number of conclusions.

    Something said in one of the earlier episodes by one of the locals about a possible French connection to the case stuck with me. She was married to a man of means who knew that she had been carrying on affairs. Even though all involved with the case have dismissed French involvement I don't think it is beyond question. Surely it was possible for her husband to arrange a hit and have the killer escape back on a flight/boat to France? It's also curious that all her family travelled to Ireland on Christmas eve but her husband didn't travel.



    Just me or did anyone get the feeling that the married man in the car with Marie Farrell was a Garda ?


    She mentioned how she would never say who it was and how she was still scared of Garda check points ?


    Possible even Jim FitzGerald the main Garda and that's how she knew about his birth mark as they had an affair



    Possible why FitzGerald was so fixated on Bailey , because he had seen him that night but couldn't say ,


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Is there anywhere you can listen to this for free
    It's on the Castbox app for free.

    I'm on Episode 7 (The Arrest), it's a great yarn.

    So far I've completely changed my mind about Bailey's guilt. Even after following the defamation trial, I felt sure Bailey was guilty. Have done a complete 180 on that.


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    just finished this podcast. what strikes me as bizarre is when you find sophie's house and ian's house on google maps. they're miles from each other, about a 50 minute walk on ****ty roads. and he walked on the bridge (which marie retracted), it's about a 90 minute walk. pissed drunk and in the middle of the night in winter.
    The bridge thing has been retracted, as you say, although the podcast host says it's 36 minutes on foot between the two houses. That's a very brisk walk, even a jog, for a three mile journey, mind you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭sugarman20


    New episode out today!
    New Feature Episode: This is the story of an unusual trial. An Englishman on trial in a French court for a murder committed in Ireland. At every other point in this 25 year saga, Ian Bailey has loomed large, but this trial wasn’t like that, because Ian Bailey wasn't there.

    Link


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Kingp35 wrote: »
    I don't understand Audible, you're charged a monthly subscription and still have to pay to download books. Why anyone would sign up to this I'll never know!

    I might get the trial to download the podcast then immediately cancel.

    Saved me an absolute fortune getting Harry potter audio books..

    Those are over 30 quid each


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,709 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Saved me an absolute fortune getting Harry potter audio books..

    Those are over 30 quid each

    I'm on a monthly subscription I think it is 7.99 1 book per month. I may cancel soon but it has served me well in the past. You get credits and you have to use all your credits before you cancel so if they accumulate you have to use them or you lose them. Another feature is, you can return books as well, if you aren't enjoying them.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,591 ✭✭✭✭Aidric


    Aidric wrote: »
    Something said in one of the earlier episodes by one of the locals about a possible French connection to the case stuck with me. She was married to a man of means who knew that she had been carrying on affairs. Even though all involved with the case have dismissed French involvement I don't think it is beyond question. Surely it was possible for her husband to arrange a hit and have the killer escape back on a flight/boat to France? It's also curious that all her family travelled to Ireland on Christmas eve but her husband didn't travel.

    Latest episode strengthens my belief in quoted theory. The Gardai wanted to speak to French persons of interest but were stonewalled by red tape on the French side. Seems that a lot of the questions put by the Gardai to French authorities were never followed up. All they got from her husband was a statement. That seems bizarre in a murder inquiry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,808 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Aidric wrote: »
    Latest episode strengthens my belief in quoted theory. The Gardai wanted to speak to French persons of interest but were stonewalled by red tape on the French side. Seems that a lot of the questions put by the Gardai to French authorities were never followed up. All they got from her husband was a statement. That seems bizarre in a murder inquiry.


    Have to agree always thought the husband knows more than he lets on,
    His legal team probably looked at how the Garda handled the case and thought this is brilliant no chance this can ever come back on you,
    Remember he wasn't your average citizen he had many friends in high places

    He seemed so uninterested in the Murder of his wife its bizzare,

    Ian was the perfect patsy & almost enjoyed it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,591 ✭✭✭✭Aidric




    Have to agree always thought the husband knows more than he lets on,
    His legal team probably looked at how the Garda handled the case and thought this is brilliant no chance this can ever come back on you,
    Remember he wasn't your average citizen he had many friends in high places

    He seemed so uninterested in the Murder of his wife its bizzare,

    Ian was the perfect patsy & almost enjoyed it

    Patsy indeed, an oddball prime for framing. As Bailey's solicitor pointed out in an earlier episode there is no forensic evidence linked to Bailey. Additionally where is the motive?

    The French were keen to wrap this up in a show trial but were sorely lacking when it came to questioning of persons of interest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,392 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Just finished it

    Thought it was very good.

    Really gives a great insight into Bailey and his character, you can hear it word he says.
    But that does not mean he did it.

    It's a real shame that the Farrell evidence is so f**ked up.

    Was it Bailey she saw at Kilfadda Bridge ?
    Was it an unknown other person with a dark complexion ?
    Who was in the car with her ?
    Could he identify the person ?
    Did she even see anyone at all ?

    I read up about the Galway travel agent angle.
    Seems completely unrelated.
    A man walks into a travel agent in Loughrea at 2:30 on the Monday
    looking for a hotel near Dublin Airport and also for the numbers of bed and breakfasts in west Cork, as he had left one without paying.
    West Cork is huge so the B+B could have been anywhere, and if he was fleeing a murder scene and planning in getting out of Ireland as quick as possible what was he doing in Loughrea.
    It was on the old Galway to Dublin road but a trip from Kilfadda Bridge to main street Loughrea would have been a big journey in the winter of 1996, and totally unnecessary.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,808 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Just finished it

    Thought it was very good.

    Really gives a great insight into Bailey and his character, you can hear it word he says.
    But that does not mean he did it.

    It's a real shame that the Farrell evidence is so f**ked up.

    Was it Bailey she saw at Kilfadda Bridge ?
    Was it an unknown other person with a dark complexion ?
    Who was in the car with her ?
    Could he identify the person ?
    Did she even see anyone at all ?

    I read up about the Galway travel agent angle.
    Seems completely unrelated.
    A man walks into a travel agent in Loughrea at 2:30 on the Monday
    West Cork is huge so the B+B could have been anywhere, and if he was fleeing a murder scene and planning in getting out of Ireland as quick as possible what was he doing in Loughrea.
    It was on the old Galway to Dublin road but a trip from Kilfadda Bridge to main street Loughrea would have been a big journey in the winter of 1996, and totally unnecessary.


    Iv asked around with some Cork natives and its mentioned on the other thread but sounds like Maire Farrell is an absolute chancer and nothing she said can be taking as the truth ,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,964 ✭✭✭Andrea B.


    Thought i knew enough about this case from the news over the years.

    Just finished this and realised I only had 20%.

    Excellent podcast imo.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,964 ✭✭✭Andrea B.


    I got all 14 free via Google Podcast app.

    No signups.



  • Registered Users Posts: 155 ✭✭cudsy1


    Finally listened to it after hearing about it literally since the 90s.

    Indo explainer pod had probably similar episode to Dunphy Clifford pod mentioned earlier

    link here

    https://m.independent.ie/podcasts/the-indo-daily/the-best-of-the-indo-daily-sophie-toscan-du-plantiers-murder-the-unanswered-questions-41211790.html

    Anyone watch doc/s? I've heard podcast is better



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,547 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    There's been hopes raised many times before. I'll believe in progress when there's some tangible results.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭pappyodaniel


    So the basis of the wanted suspect in France was identified by Marie Farrell?

    I think we can ignore that one.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,547 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    The trouble with a habitual liar is you can't tell when they are lying and when they are telling the truth. They aren't lying all the time but you can't tell without checking their story.

    If the gardaí have a DNA profile, even a partial one, it may be enough to confirm or refute a statement.

    AFAIK there is reason to believe the person in question may have been in the country at the time so it would appear to be a piece of information worth following up even if it only ends up eliminating someone from the investigation. Who knows it may yet prove to be valuable information.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21 TheTempest


    Great balanced podcast.

    Bailey is undoubtedly a POS who only cares about himself and wants to keep his name in the tabloids whatever the reason. I'm not sure he's capable of the murder due to his alcoholism and impulsivity, and the pure lack of evidence etc. I'd be more than happy to see him go down for it but based on proper evidence not the French farce shite.



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