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Age of consent for social media accounts?

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    #92
    mzungu
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    Fathom wrote: »
    Individual differences threshold? Not likely. Too expensive. Labor intensive.

    Exactly.


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    #93
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    mzungu wrote: »
    Exactly.
    Leads to Durkheim's alienation?


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    #94
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    Fathom wrote: »
    Leads to Durkheim's alienation?
    Age of consent. Mechanical solidarity?


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    Fathom wrote: »
    Leads to Durkheim's alienation?

    Perhaps it already has!


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    Fathom wrote: »
    Age of consent. Mechanical solidarity?

    Can an individualist society have mechanical solidarity?


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    #97
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    mzungu wrote: »
    Can an individualist society have mechanical solidarity?
    If it's a fully organized, modern, or post-modern "society," answer: Yes. Peter Blau's structural differentiation may inform here. Highly SD societies evidence high levels of mechanical solidarity. Low levels of SD are more communal and Organic (Durkheim).


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    Fathom wrote: »
    If it's a fully organized, modern, or post-modern "society," answer: Yes. Peter Blau's structural differentiation may inform here. Highly SD societies evidence high levels of mechanical solidarity. Low levels of SD are more communal and Organic (Durkheim).
    Individualism working in tandem with mechanical solidarity meaning both compliment each other as opposed to being strictly one or the other?


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    mzungu wrote: »
    Individualism working in tandem with mechanical solidarity meaning both compliment each other as opposed to being strictly one or the other?
    Naturally. Practically. Multi-variate differences prevail. Jacques Derrida suggested this when he deconstructed dichotomies (e.g., Organic vs Mechanical). Hence, an age of consent threshold for all was too simplistic and unnatural. Groups. Organizations. Counties. Nations. Etc. Holds for all but the individual unit of analysis.


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    Fathom wrote: »
    Naturally. Practically. Multi-variate differences prevail. Jacques Derrida suggested this when he deconstructed dichotomies (e.g., Organic vs Mechanical). Hence, an age of consent threshold for all was too simplistic and unnatural. Groups. Organizations. Counties. Nations. Etc. Holds for all but the individual unit of analysis.
    Is the arbitrary digital age limit (well, one that is arrived at with some solid theoretical basis) still not the best way to go? Or abandonment on digital age of consent for companies gathering information the option that fits with the reality on the ground?


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    mzungu wrote: »
    Is the arbitrary digital age limit (well, one that is arrived at with some solid theoretical basis) still not the best way to go?
    Methinks that more research is needed, and such research should be ongoing to build a longitudinal foundation for meta-analysis overtime.
    mzungu wrote: »
    Or abandonment on digital age of consent for companies gathering information the option that fits with the reality on the ground?
    Not sure that "abandonment on the digital age of consent" given the profit-motive driving most company decisions is the best way to go. Some regulation may be needed, but setting the threshold is problematic indeed.


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    Black Swan wrote: »
    Methinks that more research is needed, and such research should be ongoing to build a longitudinal foundation for meta-analysis overtime.

    Not sure that "abandonment on the digital age of consent" given the profit-motive driving most company decisions is the best way to go. Some regulation may be needed, but setting the threshold is problematic indeed.
    Indeed. Although now it is merely used as a political football which is never the best way to get things done!


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    mzungu wrote: »
    Indeed. Although now it is merely used as a political football which is never the best way to get things done!
    Chain of events. Case of one crisis. Media breaking news. Public outcry. Congress legislates age of consent. Executive fails to enforce. Back to beginning. Social media continues as before. Nothing accomplished.


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    Fathom wrote: »
    Chain of events. Case of one crisis. Media breaking news. Public outcry. Congress legislates age of consent. Executive fails to enforce. Back to beginning. Social media continues as before. Nothing accomplished.
    That's pretty much it. Repeat same process then for next crisis!


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    mzungu wrote: »
    That's pretty much it. Repeat same process then for next crisis!
    Cycle. Sad.


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    Fathom wrote: »
    Cycle. Sad.

    Indeed.


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    Age of consent in America? Policy often not informed by science. Sensationalism currently prevails.


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    Fathom wrote: »
    Age of consent in America? Policy often not informed by science. Sensationalism currently prevails.

    IIRC the research suggests 13?


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    Age 13 threshold: Children's Online Privacy Protection Act of 1998 (COPPA) is a United States federal law, located at 15 U.S.C. §§ 6501


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    #110
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    Fathom wrote: »
    Age 13 threshold:

    Children's Online Privacy Protection Act of 1998 (COPPA) is a United States federal law, located at 15 U.S.C. §§ 6501
    That's fair enough. Thank you. :)


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    California just passed the most rigorous privacy law in US.


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    Fathom wrote: »
    California just passed the most rigorous privacy law in US.

    A positive step. Companies now have to make the consumer aware of what data they collect and offer an opt in, or opt out option. Hopefully more start to follow the California model.


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    mzungu wrote: »
    A positive step. Companies now have to make the consumer aware of what data they collect and offer an opt in, or opt out option. Hopefully more start to follow the California model.
    Tech companies lining up lawyer challenges. Affects profits selling info.


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    Fathom wrote: »
    Tech companies lining up lawyer challenges. Affects profits selling info.

    Absolutely, which just highlights how profitable it was before it was made publicly known how much data was being passed on behind the computers scenes!


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    mzungu wrote: »
    Absolutely, which just highlights how profitable it was before it was made publicly known how much data was being passed on behind the computers scenes!
    Cambridge Analytics, et al.


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    Fathom wrote: »
    Cambridge Analytics, et al.

    On the subject of the Cambridge Analytica scandal, Facebook fined £500,000 for lack of transparency.

    Link: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/11/facebook-fined-for-data-breaches-in-cambridge-analytica-scandal


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    Transparency. Major factor. Corporate, government, interest groups.


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    Fathom wrote: »
    Transparency. Major factor. Corporate, government, interest groups.
    Cambridge Analytica's name is in the mud as attempts to "sell the company but only received four proposals, including an offer for £1 for the scandal ridden data firm’s brand name." Link: https://www.ft.com/content/e0d93292-87b4-11e8-bf9e-8771d5404543

    Thing is, others involved get away with little more than a rap on the knuckles.


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    #119
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    In retrospect. During era of smart-phones. Age of consent seems impractical. How to enforce, etc.?


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    #120
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    Fathom wrote: »
    In retrospect. During era of smart-phones. Age of consent seems impractical. How to enforce, etc.?

    It would most likely have a lukewarm reception and would need a proper model to be implemented universally to have any chance of catching on. Otherwise it may just be a waste of time.


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    Age of consent. How to ensure not arbitrary & capricious? Not line in sand? Influenced by political winds. Blowing this way today. That way tomorrow. Examples. Age of consent to drive in South Dakota is 14. To sign legally-binding contracts 18. To join the military and die for country 18. To be tried as an adult, convicted, and sent to prison 18. To drink a beer 21. Should age of consent be raised for social media accounts to 21? To be certain that all terms and conditions of adulthood are met? Or are the rationales for all these age of consents suspect?


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