The BDO Discussion Thread

US2 · 04-12-2019 9:54pm

https://twitter.com/DanDartsDawson/status/1202271058776264705?s=19

Mad stuff that's the final nail alright good stuff Des and Paula. I presume the EDO will take its place as the recognised body ?

Degag · 04-12-2019 10:03pm

SO the WDF don't now recognise PDC or BDO tournaments?

Am i right in saying that?

Almost as much need for the WDF as there is the BDO If that's the case.

sc86 · 04-12-2019 11:30pm

Bdo and olly croft die in the same year

Kingp35 · 05-12-2019 9:49am

Degag wrote: »

SO the WDF don't now recognise PDC or BDO tournaments?

Am i right in saying that?

Almost as much need for the WDF as there is the BDO If that's the case.

The PDC recognises the WDF as the world governing body of darts. The WDF. up until yesterday, sanctioned BDO tournaments and allowed them to run the World Championships. Essentially the BDO Worlds is now an unsanctioned tournament. The Governing bodies for darts in the UK are now the English, Welsh and Scottish darts organisations.

The WDF are getting into position to take over from the BDO and run their own tournaments. It's the beginning of the end for the BDO as the numerous tournaments organised and held around the world by national darts organisations will probably no longer give out BDO ranking points.

Scoundrel · 05-12-2019 10:41am

Yeah WDF had no choice really it's the same players so hopefully just better admins running the show under the WDF banner. Will there even be a BDO worlds now?

Kingp35 · 05-12-2019 11:55am

The WDF have also revised their ranking points system by removing the BDO 'Majors' from their list of ranking events.

Both the letter and the rankings revisions can be found here:
https://www.dartswdf.com/2019/12/04/letter-to-all-wdf-members-and-revised-ranking-systems-criteria/

Kingp35 · 05-12-2019 1:15pm

Des Jacklin's response to the UK Counties:

Des Jacklin wrote:

Dear all Counties,
As I am sure most of you are aware the BDO have received a formal letter from the WDF. The BDO board felt we ought to write to you all now to keep you in the picture so to speak.
I received the same letter that you have all seen on social media (and the same letter circulated by England darts) from the WDF yesterday 3rd December, this was the first contact I had with the WDF regarding this issue.
I can confirm that the BDO have had no opportunity to defend itself and it would seem that the WDF have acted purely on information gathered from social media and hearsay.
Social media is playing a huge part in this issue with statements being made from many players and County officials, (all names have been noted) even the England chairman has completely ignored the legal disclaimer on the bottom of the letter and sent it out to all Counties ?
This issue is now in the hands of the BDO Solicitor and after initial consultation with our legal advisers, it would seem that this letter from the WDF is in many ways unlawful.
In my estimation it feels like the BDO are trying to introduce a strategy to become self-supporting in trying to get ourselves into a position of stability, but we are not allowed to do that ? It just feels like every day is another battle with someone trying to kill the company.
What I can tell you all is that in any event the County system will not be affected.
I will not go into to much more detail but I do promise you updates as and when I get them. Regards
Des Jacklin

'all names have been noted'. How he hasn't resigned yet is beyond belief.

ThebitterLemon · 05-12-2019 4:14pm

Kingp35 wrote: »

Des Jacklin's response to the UK Counties:

'all names have been noted'. How he hasn't resigned yet is beyond belief.

That was the first thing that stood out for me to, still passive aggressive and threatening people while on the cusp of extinction.

Unbelievable

TbL

Kingp35 · 06-12-2019 11:15am

Taken from a post by Addicts Fan on the TSOD forum, here's the latest tickets sales figures for the BDO Worlds:

		Seats	Sold	&#37; Sold	
Sat	All Day	1617	391	24%	&#163;24,610.00
Sun	All Day	1617	148	9%	&#163;6,864.00
Mon	Aft	1617	74	5%	&#163;1,934.50
	Eve	1617	67	4%	&#163;2,593.00
Tue	Aft	1617	39	2%	&#163;1,080.50
	Eve	1617	47	3%	&#163;1,366.00
Wed	Aft	1617	60	4%	&#163;1,563.50
	Eve	1617	71	4%	&#163;2,701.60
Thur	Aft	1617	79	5%	&#163;1,961.00
	Eve	1617	124	8%	&#163;5,474.00
Fri	Aft	1617	251	16%	&#163;7,033.50
	Eve	1617	292	18%	&#163;14,064.00
Sat	All Day	1617	389	24%	&#163;27,368.00
Sun	All Day	1617	194	12%	&#163;17,820.00
All Week		1		&#163;831.50
1st Weekend		50		&#163;7,390.00
Last 4 Days		4		&#163;1,430.92
Total		22638	2226	10%	&#163;126,086.02

There is no way they can keep the same prize fund as last year with those dismal ticket sales. Something has to happen.

Kingp35 · 06-12-2019 4:20pm

The first big tournament to come out and say they are no longer going to carry BDO points and are thus not BDO ranked is the Dutch Open. The first of many I reckon.

https://www.dutchopendarts.nl/en/event/dutch-open-darts-no-longer-a-bdo-ranking-event/

ThebitterLemon · 06-12-2019 5:48pm

Kingp35 wrote: »

The first big tournament to come out and say they are no longer going to carry BDO points and are thus not BDO ranked is the Dutch Open. The first of many I reckon.

https://www.dutchopendarts.nl/en/event/dutch-open-darts-no-longer-a-bdo-ranking-event/

Grim reaper is circling.

If I was a betting man I’d say their World Champs will be cancelled with Des blaming nefarious forces and crying about anti BDO bias

TbL

Kingp35 · 06-12-2019 5:53pm

ThebitterLemon wrote: »

Grim reaper is circling.

If I was a betting man I’d say they’re World Champs will be cancelled with Des blaming nefarious forces and crying about anti BDO bias

TbL

Another big tournament gone, the house is crumbling down.

https://www.facebook.com/503554549989578/photos/a.503753236636376/1028280680850293/?type=3&theater

ThebitterLemon · 06-12-2019 5:56pm

Kingp35 wrote: »

Another big tournament gone, the house is crumbling down.

https://www.facebook.com/503554549989578/photos/a.503753236636376/1028280680850293/?type=3&theater

It’ll be a sad day when it does happen, I grew up watching some legendary BDO players. It’s a shambles today and is probably even doing a disservice to the current guys still playing

TbL

sc86 · 06-12-2019 10:35pm

Youd have to wonder about iq levels in bdo , des himself , the people that actually voted for him , the players , cant be the smartest bunch.
Theres local gaa clubs ran better

Justin Credible Darts · 07-12-2019 1:24am

sc86 wrote: »

Youd have to wonder about iq levels in bdo , des himself , the people that actually voted for him , the players , cant be the smartest bunch.
Theres local gaa clubs ran better

have said this for over a decade about the bdo mushroom, the thickest people on the planet.

all covered in a certain blog I dare not mention for fear of people crying

Petyr Baelish · 08-12-2019 10:34pm

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

have said this for over a decade about the bdo mushroom, the thickest people on the planet.

all covered in a certain blog I dare not mention for fear of people crying

The excellent Knob of the Week of course.

When the BDO do cease to exist as a supposed professional organisation you're gonna be a bit stuck for candidates.

Justin Credible Darts · 09-12-2019 12:11am

Petyr Baelish wrote: »

The excellent Knob of the Week of course.

When the BDO do cease to exist as a supposed professional organisation you're gonna be a bit stuck for candidates.

The bdo wont die.

Yes its done in terms of calling itself a "world pro" which was a joke them calling the comp that.
The cannot spin out that nonsense of being the official world title any longer, despite the rest of the world knowing which is the real World title in the PDC.

They will continue to run county most likely, look after the grassroots and minor opens, but the days of the bdo fans thinking it was something more than the joke we all saw it are gone.

As for future candidates, there will still be the WDF who are just as hopeless. the EDO run by a geriatric who belongs in the last century, and of course some players will always make a fool of themselves

Kingp35 · 09-12-2019 1:04pm

Look at the absolute state of this letter from the BDO. At least they have rescinded their idiotic levies. Somehow De still lives on.

http://bdodarts.com/images/BDO-W.Pro-Rankings-%20PROMOTION%20.pdf

Justin Credible Darts · 09-12-2019 2:18pm

Kingp35 wrote: »

Look at the absolute state of this letter from the BDO. At least they have rescinded their idiotic levies. Somehow De still lives on.

http://bdodarts.com/images/BDO-W.Pro-Rankings-%20PROMOTION%20.pdf

that is the 3rd version of this letter released

The first des did not even have the balls to put his name to and had someone else send it...a frank branscomb

The second letter is like the one you posted but had smileys on the thing with more typos.

That organisation is a total clusterfuk and live ongoing comedy

Huntergonzo · 11-12-2019 8:00pm

Just thinking about it the other day given the dire state of the BDO at the minute, but they really should have done better in the battle v the PDC, in fact if the brains were there they could have seen off the PDC, but Olly Croft refused to compete, just ploughed on as is.

I mean when the split happened, sure the PDC (then WDC) had all the top ranked players but only a handful would remain so as quite a few of them were over the hill. The BDO had a massive advantage as whole system fed straight up to them, the PDC had to convince people that they knew what they were doing and to make the jump over (granted having Sky's money behind them helped).

I don't think you could argue that the BDO World Championship was ever better than the PDC's, purely because of Phil Taylor (to be the best you have to beat the best), but for a period in the late 90s to about the mid 00s the BDO's overall standard was probably that bit better because they had all the new talent coming through.

It's hard to pinpoint exactly when the steep decline began, but Barney leaving in 2006 was a big blow and I think the BDO has been particularly awful in the last 5 years, a complete joke really.

At this point I think they are beyond repair, they badly missed the bus on Barry Hearn's offer 10 years ago so they don't deserve to be saved. But if they wish to remain as an amateur organisation then so be it, but it's painful to watch them parade around as 'highest level of darts' and continue to crown a 'world professional champion'.

Ps, Lakeside is still a great venue and I hope to see darts return there soon on the tele, be it PDC or BDO.

Justin Credible Darts · 11-12-2019 8:15pm

some people will have a moan about this because he died, but olly croft was a bitter, vindictive horrible person who thought the game belonged to him. He even tried to stop players earning a living, not just for themselves but for their families.
I am sorry he is dead, but death does not mean we alter history to erase the truth

Let us not forget the bdo itself was started by him in a breakaway organisation initially, so the nerve of him to complain about others breaking away was staggering hypocrisy.

Check out this by olly years back and see how backward and out of touch he was, and the utter rubbish he spewed
https://web.archive.org/web/20030728004153/http://www.planetdarts.co.uk/article.asp?id=71103&Nv=1

Huntergonzo · 11-12-2019 8:37pm

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

some people will have a moan about this because he died, but olly croft was a bitter, vindictive horrible person who thought the game belonged to him. He even tried to stop players earning a living, not just for themselves but for their families.
I am sorry he is dead, but death does not mean we alter history to erase the truth

Let us not forget the bdo itself was started by him in a breakaway organisation initially, so the nerve of him to complain about others breaking away was staggering hypocrisy.

Check out this by olly years back and see how backward and out of touch he was, and the utter rubbish he spewed
https://web.archive.org/web/20030728004153/http://www.planetdarts.co.uk/article.asp?id=71103&Nv=1

Never read that before, it's embarrassing rubbish, spoilt child sort of stuff but it's exactly why the BDO nose dived, the pure arrogance of Olly Croft, he honestly believed he himself and the BDO were untouchable.

Ok so it's not nice to speak ill of the recently deseased but I've seen him speak before (Blood On The Carpet about the split in darts for eg) and he came across appalling badly. Vindictive, nasty and hopelessly self centered, he had his time and by the late 80s it was time to go, but he clung on to power for as long as he possibly could and the BDO sealed their fate by sticking by him until it was far too late.

Justin Credible Darts · 11-12-2019 9:07pm

and to compound it he was succeeded by people equally as inept.

Huntergonzo · 11-12-2019 9:17pm

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

and to compound it he was succeeded by people equally as inept.

True enough, things didn't exactly improve when Olly was voted off the board, but then again I think the decline was already irreversible at that stage.

shockframe · 16-12-2019 12:39pm

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Just thinking about it the other day given the dire state of the BDO at the minute, but they really should have done better in the battle v the PDC, in fact if the brains were there they could have seen off the PDC, but Olly Croft refused to compete, just ploughed on as is.

I mean when the split happened, sure the PDC (then WDC) had all the top ranked players but only a handful would remain so as quite a few of them were over the hill. The BDO had a massive advantage as whole system fed straight up to them, the PDC had to convince people that they knew what they were doing and to make the jump over (granted having Sky's money behind them helped).

I don't think you could argue that the BDO World Championship was ever better than the PDC's, purely because of Phil Taylor (to be the best you have to beat the best), but for a period in the late 90s to about the mid 00s the BDO's overall standard was probably that bit better because they had all the new talent coming through.

It's hard to pinpoint exactly when the steep decline began, but Barney leaving in 2006 was a big blow and I think the BDO has been particularly awful in the last 5 years, a complete joke really.

At this point I think they are beyond repair, they badly missed the bus on Barry Hearn's offer 10 years ago so they don't deserve to be saved. But if they wish to remain as an amateur organisation then so be it, but it's painful to watch them parade around as 'highest level of darts' and continue to crown a 'world professional champion'.

Ps, Lakeside is still a great venue and I hope to see darts return there soon on the tele, be it PDC or BDO.

The PDC really had Phil Taylor for the first 10 years or so. The majority of the rebels were past their best at the time of the split. Only Priestley and Harrington were more or equally successful after 93.

More by accident than design but by 95 the BDO field was a lot more credible until the late 00's. The last few years of the unified worlds were fairly stale and a bit of a closed shop. 32 players was far too small for the sport especially one with a fading field. Opening up the game to more players simply had to happen.

What made the BDO more exciting was the competitiveness of the field. Taylor won 11 of the first 13 PDC Worlds. You knew what to expect at Circus Tavern. At Lakeside anything could happen.

The Barney switch was massive but in fairness the tide was turning before then. After Barry Hearns arrival there was new TV tournaments propping up most years and then the World Series. The BDO had a few live games of the World Masters and little else. Even the BBC didn't show the entire Lakeside event until 2005.

It was Ally Pally in late 2008 that more or less established Darts at Christmas and with Barneys 9 darter,Taylors most complete final win along with Webster, Whitlock and Gando joining did a lot of harm to the BDO in the public's mindset.

Then to make matters worse it has lost its youth appeal this decade with the PDC development tour.

It's a bit sad that the BDO has gone downhill but the damage was done around the mid to late 00s.

Scoundrel · 16-12-2019 3:13pm

shockframe wrote: »

The PDC really had Phil Taylor for the first 10 years or so. The majority of the rebels were past their best at the time of the split. Only Priestley and Harrington were more or equally successful after 93.

More by accident than design but by 95 the BDO field was a lot more credible until the late 00's. The last few years of the unified worlds were fairly stale and a bit of a closed shop. 32 players was far too small for the sport especially one with a fading field. Opening up the game to more players simply had to happen.

What made the BDO more exciting was the competitiveness of the field. Taylor won 11 of the first 13 PDC Worlds. You knew what to expect at Circus Tavern. At Lakeside anything could happen.

The Barney switch was massive but in fairness the tide was turning before then. After Barry Hearns arrival there was new TV tournaments propping up most years and then the World Series. The BDO had a few live games of the World Masters and little else. Even the BBC didn't show the entire Lakeside event until 2005.

It was Ally Pally in late 2008 that more or less established Darts at Christmas and with Barneys 9 darter,Taylors most complete final win along with Webster, Whitlock and Gando joining did a lot of harm to the BDO in the public's mindset.

Then to make matters worse it has lost its youth appeal this decade with the PDC development tour.

It's a bit sad that the BDO has gone downhill but the damage was done around the mid to late 00s.

Yeah very true the first few PDC/WDC worlds were terrible in comparison to BDO boring predictable with Taylor hammering the same old players over and over it was crap Taylor was winning finals to nil remember the excitement when Part beat Taylor in 2003? people were amazed that taylor was finally beaten. The BDO as it is now is finished which is really sad because if it had stayed at lakeside and could find someone competent to run it there is still very much a role for it even if it is as a feeder for PDC.

Huntergonzo · 17-12-2019 12:29pm

shockframe wrote: »

The PDC really had Phil Taylor for the first 10 years or so. The majority of the rebels were past their best at the time of the split. Only Priestley and Harrington were more or equally successful after 93.

More by accident than design but by 95 the BDO field was a lot more credible until the late 00's. The last few years of the unified worlds were fairly stale and a bit of a closed shop. 32 players was far too small for the sport especially one with a fading field. Opening up the game to more players simply had to happen.

What made the BDO more exciting was the competitiveness of the field. Taylor won 11 of the first 13 PDC Worlds. You knew what to expect at Circus Tavern. At Lakeside anything could happen.

The Barney switch was massive but in fairness the tide was turning before then. After Barry Hearns arrival there was new TV tournaments propping up most years and then the World Series. The BDO had a few live games of the World Masters and little else. Even the BBC didn't show the entire Lakeside event until 2005.

It was Ally Pally in late 2008 that more or less established Darts at Christmas and with Barneys 9 darter,Taylors most complete final win along with Webster, Whitlock and Gando joining did a lot of harm to the BDO in the public's mindset.

Then to make matters worse it has lost its youth appeal this decade with the PDC development tour.

It's a bit sad that the BDO has gone downhill but the damage was done around the mid to late 00s.

I agree, I think the BDO recovered surprisingly quickly after the breakaway, losing their top 14 players should have been a disaster but it worked out fine, they essentially got a clear out of mostly over the hill players and the next generation took over.

But again I don’t think the BDO’s World Championship was ever superior to the PDC’s because of Phil Taylor, however I also doubt Taylor would have won 11 out of 13 BDO World Championships because they probably did have a stronger field during that period than the PDC.

The BDO really blew it and sowed the seeds of their own demise in the late 90s & early 00s. I mean Darts is a hugely popular sport which his easy to market and sell to the public and love him or hate him Barry Hearn came in to the PDC and took full advantage of this, improving the fortunes of the PDC year on year and making it more and more visible to the public. He attracted the casual fan and made it and experience to attend the Darts, a night out for everybody (now personally I love darts, so I wouldn’t be dressing up as a crayon or an oompa loompa etc, but I don’t have a problem with people who want to go and enjoy themselves either).

The BDO on the other hand almost seemed to view themselves as above that, they catered for the purist only and seemed completely inept at competing with Barry Hearn’s ever growing machine. The BDO was born in the 70s and seemingly wished to remain in the 70s, that simply doesn’t work in any business, you must adapt and compete, the BDO refused and we now see the outcome of their stubbornness.

Justin Credible Darts · 17-12-2019 3:14pm

the pdc or former WDC was the best from day one of the split.

How can the top 14 in the world playing in one code not be better than the other.

This myth the bdo was superior is nonsense spewed by mushrooms (bdo fans) so often , over and over and over that casual fans started to believe the lie because it was repeated so often.
What normal person with a modicum of intelligence when thinking on a "World Champion" thinks of Christian Kist, Steve Beaton, Mark Webster and the rest of the dross that won what was and is a an amatuer open glorified and hyped as a "world pro"

Huntergonzo · 17-12-2019 4:04pm

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

the pdc or former WDC was the best from day one of the split.

How can the top 14 in the world playing in one code not be better than the other.

This myth the bdo was superior is nonsense spewed by mushrooms (bdo fans) so often , over and over and over that casual fans started to believe the lie because it was repeated so often.
What normal person with a modicum of intelligence when thinking on a "World Champion" thinks of Christian Kist, Steve Beaton, Mark Webster and the rest of the dross that won what was and is a an amatuer open glorified and hyped as a "world pro"

Look I don't think the BDO was ever superior to the PDC, and I always far preferred the PDC, in fact I hated the BDO for a long time.

Just in my older less impetuous years I've come around to the fact the BDO had a pretty strong field in the late 90s and early 00s and was a wide open World Championship. Never better than the PDC thanks to Taylor but of the 14 who left, only 3 or 4 went on to play well for a nunber of years, most were over the hill.

The difference is since the split the PDC improved year on year while the BDO intially recovered and had a strong field for the first maybe 10 years but sharply declined at the end of the 00s and have been a joke over the last 5 years in particular.

But again it's important to recognise the role the BDO has played in the establishment of mainstream darts (I say that with no particular love for them nor Olly Croft). It's easy to criticize them but don't forget, every single PDC world champion to date started off in the BDO.

Justin Credible Darts · 17-12-2019 5:40pm

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Look I don't think the BDO was ever superior to the PDC, and I always far preferred the PDC, in fact I hated the BDO for a long time.

Just in my older less impetuous years I've come around to the fact the BDO had a pretty strong field in the late 90s and early 00s and was a wide open World Championship. Never better than the PDC thanks to Taylor but of the 14 who left, only 3 or 4 went on to play well for a nunber of years, most were over the hill.

The difference is since the split the PDC improved year on year while the BDO intially recovered and had a strong field for the first maybe 10 years but sharply declined at the end of the 00s and have been a joke over the last 5 years in particular.

But again it's important to recognise the role the BDO has played in the establishment of mainstream darts (I say that with no particular love for them nor Olly Croft). It's easy to criticize them but don't forget, every single PDC world champion to date started off in the BDO.

I have always said, the bdo will survive and do what it is best at, and that is grass roots, county scene, and local opens.
They need to embrace they are amateur

But this nonsense they ran a "world pro" or that they were "professional" is a complete joke.

Huntergonzo · 17-12-2019 9:48pm

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

I have always said, the bdo will survive and do what it is best at, and that is grass roots, county scene, and local opens.
They need to embrace they are amateur

But this nonsense they ran a "world pro" or that they were "professional" is a complete joke.

Well they may not survive if they keep making bad decisions.

I think their world championship still had enough talented players to be considered a legitimate title up until probably the mid to late 00s, after that it went down hill sharply.

I certainly agree that they shouldn't still be crowning a world professional champion though, an amateur champion by all means but the PDC champion holds the legitimate crown and has done for many years.

Cosmo Kramer · 29-12-2019 11:12am

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

the pdc or former WDC was the best from day one of the split.

How can the top 14 in the world playing in one code not be better than the other.

This myth the bdo was superior is nonsense spewed by mushrooms (bdo fans) so often , over and over and over that casual fans started to believe the lie because it was repeated so often.
What normal person with a modicum of intelligence when thinking on a "World Champion" thinks of Christian Kist, Steve Beaton, Mark Webster and the rest of the dross that won what was and is a an amatuer open glorified and hyped as a "world pro"

There's a fair bit of rewriting of history in this post. The top 14 as you call them were only the top 14 in 1993. Despite losing all those players after 93 within a year the BDO had regrouped and was the more credible of the two championships for a decade afterwards. The PDC really only had Taylor, the standard beyond him was shocking in the early years as most of the players that left the BDO were already in decline and they struggled to attract players back then to boost the standard. In fact I'd go as far as to say that had the PDC not had Taylor on board the whole thing would probably have collapsed by the late 1990s or early 2000s.

While he was clearly the best player in the world there's absolutely no way PT would be a 16 time world champion had the split not happened, there were too many players in the BDO who would have been able to pick him off here and there over the years to reduce the number of titles he won.

The split had to happen to get darts to where it is now but we were denied some classic World Championship matchups in the 90s and the first half of the 00s, mostly involving Taylor, as a result. However, by the late 2000s the whole thing had turned around and the BDO Worlds started to lose credibility.

I'd say any BDO world champion up to 2006 would have had just as much justification to call themselves the world champion as their PDC equivalent that year. Sure, Taylor was a better player, but he had very little to beat to win those titles. The tournament averages in the BDO were higher than the PDC almost every year during this time, despite the PDC having Taylor there to boost their averages. After 2006, that all changed as the BDO fell away badly at that stage (basically once enough players left that Wolfie started winning).

You could argue that this year's PDC tournament is the first genuinely unified World Championship since 1993 though as with Durrant switching I'd say it's the first year that not one BDO player would be in the top 16 in the PDC.

ArmaniJeanss · 31-12-2019 2:58pm

Fallon Sherrock withdraws.
https://dartsnews.com/fallon-sherrock-withdraws-from-2020-bdo-world-championship-after-prize-money-slashed-due-to-poor-ticket-sales/

US2 · 31-12-2019 3:05pm

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Fallon Sherrock withdraws.
https://dartsnews.com/fallon-sherrock-withdraws-from-2020-bdo-world-championship-after-prize-money-slashed-due-to-poor-ticket-sales/

Loaded now I suppose doesn't need it. Only a few weeks ago she was travelling all around Europe for 1 or 2k.

She might regret it her last chance to be a world champion

Huntergonzo · 31-12-2019 3:13pm

Disaster for the BDO only to sell 15% of their tickets, this getting more and more embarrassing as the years go by.

Why did they move away from Lakeside anyway, the standard wasn't going to improve and clearly neither did the ticket sales!

I can understand Sherrocks's frustration, I'm sure every player is frustrated but I wonder what her plans are now, will she try her hand at Q school?

DEFTLEFTHAND · 31-12-2019 3:15pm

She wouldn't win it anyway, Lisa Ashton and Suzuki are better players than her.

Some PR man has instructed her to drop out of this to hightlight the gender paygap. She'll probably go on the morning talk show circuit to speak about the gross injustice.

Don't expect basic economics to be mentioned though.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 31-12-2019 3:18pm

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Disaster for the BDO only to sell 15% of their tickets, this getting more and more embarrassing as the years go by.

Why did they move away from Lakeside anyway, the standard wasn't going to improve and clearly neither did the ticket sales!

I can understand Sherrocks's frustration, I'm sure every player is frustrated but I wonder what her plans are now, will she try her hand at Q school?

Exbos and the world series. Play a bit of Challenge Tour and some BDO Opens on the side.

ThebitterLemon · 31-12-2019 3:20pm

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Fallon Sherrock withdraws.
https://dartsnews.com/fallon-sherrock-withdraws-from-2020-bdo-world-championship-after-prize-money-slashed-due-to-poor-ticket-sales/

The skeptic in me thinks this also suits her as a loss here might have tarnished her recently acquired image and have a detrimental effect on her media persona

TbL

jr86 · 31-12-2019 3:26pm

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Some PR man has instructed her to drop out of this to hightlight the gender paygap. She'll probably go on the morning talk show circuit to speak about the gross injustice.

ThebitterLemon wrote: »

The skeptic in me thinks this also suits her as a loss here might have tarnished her recently acquired image and have a detrimental effect on her media persona

TbL

100% agree with TheBitterLemon's reason more tbh

Kingp35 · 31-12-2019 3:32pm

ThebitterLemon wrote: »

The skeptic in me thinks this also suits her as a loss here might have tarnished her recently acquired image and have a detrimental effect on her media persona

TbL

This is Definitely the reason.

The BDO is screwed. Sherrock was the main part of their promotion in recent days and I reckon people bought tickets to see her. They may seek a refund now.

Deeper Blue · 31-12-2019 4:02pm

That’s a disaster for the BDO, considering all the recent fanfare Sherrock was the biggest reason for most people to buy tickets and tune in

coolshannagh28 · 31-12-2019 4:24pm

Eddie Hearn would have nothing to do with it.

Inquitus · 31-12-2019 5:21pm

Sherrock got £25k for her PDC run, which is greater than 3 times what she would get if she won the women's BDO this year.

Huntergonzo · 31-12-2019 6:41pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Sherrock got £25k for her PDC run, which is greater than 3 times what she would get if she won the women's BDO this year.

Just goes to show the difference between the BDO and the PDC.

Justin Credible Darts · 31-12-2019 6:45pm

its not like no one saw this coming.

I called out Des on a forum BEFORE he was chairman on his lies, and was warned by mods, and told "wait and see how he does"
This was after Des was mocking people, issuing threats, etc.

I am delighted to see I was proven right.

Lets face it when Tommy Thompson is praising Des you know you are in trouble, remember he sat there while his treasurer at lancashire darts, an Irene mungins stole tens of thousands of pounds from under his nose to stick in a slot machine, this was the man endorsing des.

Only a fool could think the future was bright

Scoundrel · 31-12-2019 7:00pm

The decision to move from lakeside will be the final nail in the coffin sad really they've announced the prize money has been reduced due to ticket sales this is the last year of the BDO worlds I'm afraid.

US2 · 31-12-2019 7:31pm

To be honest with the quality of player left in the bdo I dont think any of em deserve 100k or anywhere near it.

Justin Credible Darts · 31-12-2019 7:50pm

DEFTLEFTHAND · 31-12-2019 9:13pm

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Just goes to show the difference between the BDO and the PDC.

There's a number of factors at play. The standard of womens darts is diabolical for the most part, watch the games at the Indigo to see. Last year at Lakeside one of them through a 54 average. I'd beat her in straight sets as a pub league player.

Couple that with the low number of participants in the game, British Open this yr had 200 women, the men's draw had over 2000 and it's only natural that their money is sh1te, you earn what you draw.

Huntergonzo · 31-12-2019 9:34pm

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

There's a number of factors at play. The standard of womens darts is diabolical for the most part, watch the games at the Indigo to see. Last year at Lakeside one of them through a 54 average. I'd beat her in straight sets as a pub league player.

Couple that with the low number of participants in the game, British Open this yr had 200 women, the men's draw had over 2000 and it's only natural that their money is sh1te, you earn what you draw.

I agree completely when comparing the difference in money.

Fairplay to Fallon for being the first woman to win at the PDC worlds, I was genuinely delighted for her. What I wasn't so fond of was all the ridiculous, misinformed comments about the gender pay difference from the likes of Billie Jean King.

If Sherrock was good enough to win the PDC worlds then she wouldn't have been paid a penny less than MVG or Wright (whoever wins).

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