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F1 2020: ROUND 16 Bahrain 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,233 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Ooh, I like this game

    Top third - Hamilton, Riccardo, LeClerc, Verstappen, Russell
    Middle third - Gasley, Sainz, Norris, Bottas, Ocon, Vettel, Perez
    Bottom third - Lattiffi, Giovanazzi, Kvyat, Raikkonen, Grojean, Albon, Magnusson, Stroll

    One or 2 there, such as Ocon, that would be hovering in between levels, but I'll give the benefit of the doubt.


    Agree with most of yours tbh, but there needs to be a new floor for Grosjean.
    Top third - Hamilton, Riccardo, LeClerc, Verstappen, Russell,Vettel
    Middle third - Gasley, Sainz, Norris, Raikkonen, Ocon, Perez
    Bottom third - Lattiffi, Giovanazzi, Kvyat, Albon, Magnusson, Stroll,Bottas
    Crappest: Grojean


  • Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭Zookey123


    Top Third: Max, Hamilton, Vettel, Leclerc, Perez, Dani Ric
    Middle Third: Russell, Stroll, Gasly, Albon, Sainz, Norris, Bottas
    Bottom Third: Ocon, Giovanazzi, Raikkonen, Magnusson, Lattifi, Kvyat, Grojean.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,557 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Top Dog wrote: »
    Current contracted drivers

    Top third - Hamilton, Riccardo, LeClerc, Verstappen, Russell, Perez
    Middle third - Gasley, Sainz, Norris, Bottas, Ocon, Vettel, Stroll
    Bottom third - Lattiffi, Giovanazzi, Kvyat, Raikkonen, Grojean, Albon, Magnusson

    I'd agree with a lot of that.
    I'd swap Perez and Sainz. Perez is experiencin a serious enhancement in reputation because of yesterday, but he's only middle tier for me. The day after Monza Gasley would probably have been in lots of people's top tier.
    Vettel is lucky to be in the middle third based on recent performances but it's hard top see who to swap him for. Kvyat? Magnussen?
    Apart from Vettel and Stroll, the midfield is very strong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,557 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Zookey123 wrote: »
    I agree with most of that list. I do think it's slightly harsh on 4 time world champion Vettel. Ferrari have just been abysmal this season and Vettel has bared the brunt of their downfall. Also Albon should be middle tier. It's not easy being second driver to Max and Gasly didn't do much better at red bull. I would demote Ocon too. Apart from one or two good results he has been usually a disappointment. And Daniel Ric has shown that car can be consistently on the podium. How many seasons has this guy came second to his team-mates now? Pretty much every full season. Still he somehow has a seat for next year.

    Vettel's recent form is abysmal. Leclerc shows the car can be competitive if driven by a top driver - and Vettel shows what happens when he drives it. The gaps in quali between the Ferraris are similar to the gaps between the red bulls. There's no need to make excuses. recent form puts Seb in the bottom half. Certainly nowhere near the top tier. 4 Championships years ago don't impact his recent form in the slightest.

    Likewise, Stroll would have been in the Bottom third when he started and he developed into a mid third driver.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,557 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Agree with most of yours tbh, but there needs to be a new floor for Grosjean.
    Top third - Hamilton, Riccardo, LeClerc, Verstappen, Russell,Vettel
    Middle third - Gasley, Sainz, Norris, Raikkonen, Ocon, Perez
    Bottom third - Lattiffi, Giovanazzi, Kvyat, Albon, Magnusson, Stroll,Bottas
    Crappest: Grojean

    Lattiffi in the crappest category too surely? But for different reasons - Grosjean can be reasonably fast but a danger to man and beast, Lattiffi slow but at least he's not a danger.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭Anjobe


    quokula wrote: »
    A few weeks ago it wasn't even certain that Russell would have a drive next year. And his iron clad contract didn't stop Mercedes poaching him the second they actually wanted him at this race.

    It's nothing but posturing, it's blatantly obvious Mercedes have no interest in replacing Bottas as long as Hamilton is driving, they've had multiple opportunities every year.

    Before their change of ownership Williams exercised their option to extend Russell's contract for a third year, blocking Mercedes attempt to sign him. It was widely reported at the time and and also over this weekend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,233 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Lattiffi in the crappest category too surely? But for different reasons - Grosjean can be reasonably fast but a danger to man and beast, Lattiffi slow but at least he's not a danger.
    Oh god yes, that was an omission on my part for sure.
    I think Latifi is still in his F2 car at times. He's dangerous for the sheer gaps in closing speed!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,256 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Just to go back to this particular race, C4 highlights were a joy. Ben Edwards was commentating remotely for most of this season. He's on site for this one and you can really hear how much he's enjoying it.
    He'll be missed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,709 ✭✭✭This is it


    flazio wrote: »
    Just to go back to this particular race, C4 highlights were a joy. Ben Edwards was commentating remotely for most of this season. He's on site for this one and you can really hear how much he's enjoying it.
    He'll be missed.

    Just watched it after missing bits and pieces of the race live yesterday. Great coverage. Gutted for Russell, not often I'll say that for a Merc driver :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭Zookey123


    Vettel's recent form is abysmal. Leclerc shows the car can be competitive if driven by a top driver - and Vettel shows what happens when he drives it. The gaps in quali between the Ferraris are similar to the gaps between the red bulls. There's no need to make excuses. recent form puts Seb in the bottom half. Certainly nowhere near the top tier. 4 Championships years ago don't impact his recent form in the slightest.

    Likewise, Stroll would have been in the Bottom third when he started and he developed into a mid third driver.

    He hasn't just won 4 championships though. He has been Hamilton's main competitor until last season. Ferrari have fallen off the pace and comparing Vettel to Leclerc this season is not really fair considering Charles is the clear number 1 and has been getting the better race strategies. The new Ferrari set up also doesn't suit Seb. Couple that with a really poor atmosphere in the team and the constants F$Ck ups the team has and you get the poor season seb is having. We shall see next season if he can make a comeback to the top (I think so).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,042 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,557 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Zookey123 wrote: »
    He hasn't just won 4 championships though. He has been Hamilton's main competitor until last season. Ferrari have fallen off the pace and comparing Vettel to Leclerc this season is not really fair considering Charles is the clear number 1 and has been getting the better race strategies. The new Ferrari set up also doesn't suit Seb. Couple that with a really poor atmosphere in the team and the constants F$Ck ups the team has and you get the poor season seb is having. We shall see next season if he can make a comeback to the top (I think so).

    Charles wasn’t the clear no1 last year and he still beat Seb. But I really don’t think you can write off the quali gap between the two. But if you take the last two years then there’s no way Seb can be in the top third. He’s miles off. If you’re just going to ignore form and say he was better in the past then how can you account for development throughout a career? Stroll stated off very poor and he has definitely improved. So do we just judge him by his first performances or do we look at recent form? I think you have to consider form. Stroll is an alright driver now, but he wasn’t always. Vettel is bottom third now, but he wasn’t always.

    And next year marks a punctuation point in his career. If he improves next year then that has to be considered but we can’t assume he’ll be on top form again next year, we have to judge him on current form and wait to see how he does next year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,709 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    flazio wrote: »
    Just to go back to this particular race, C4 highlights were a joy. Ben Edwards was commentating remotely for most of this season. He's on site for this one and you can really hear how much he's enjoying it.
    He'll be missed.

    Going to miss Ben Edwards commentary - Croftie completely missed Russell being informed of the puncture and started going on about how unlucky Bottas is until Brundle stepped in with ' I thought that was Bono ' as Russell entered the pit lane. ..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,169 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    Ooh, I like this game

    Top third - Hamilton, Riccardo, LeClerc, Verstappen, Russell
    Middle third - Gasley, Sainz, Norris, Bottas, Ocon, Vettel, Perez
    Bottom third - Lattiffi, Giovanazzi, Kvyat, Raikkonen, Grojean, Albon, Magnusson, Stroll

    One or 2 there, such as Ocon, that would be hovering in between levels, but I'll give the benefit of the doubt.
    Why does Russell feature in your top tier? Every other driver on that list, bar Latifi, has earned more points than him. I think people are getting a bit carried away with Georgelove.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,667 ✭✭✭quokula


    flazio wrote: »
    Just to go back to this particular race, C4 highlights were a joy. Ben Edwards was commentating remotely for most of this season. He's on site for this one and you can really hear how much he's enjoying it.
    He'll be missed.

    He really puts Sky to shame. He'll definitely be sorely missed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,667 ✭✭✭quokula


    chicorytip wrote: »
    Why does Russell feature in your top tier? Every other driver on that list, bar Latifi, has earned more points than him. I think people are getting a bit carried away with Georgelove.

    And even Latifi was ahead of him in the championship up until two days ago.

    But it's nothing to do with the Mercedes being dominant and Bottas being useless, it's all talent :rolleyes:


  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    chicorytip wrote: »
    Why does Russell feature in your top tier? Every other driver on that list, bar Latifi, has earned more points than him. I think people are getting a bit carried away with Georgelove.

    Because Russell is a top tier talent. There is absolutely zero denying that.

    There’s no point arguing with you though. You had major love for Kubica last year when he was doing ****e and now you use Kubica’s ****e performances to undermine Russell.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,557 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    chicorytip wrote: »
    Why does Russell feature in your top tier? Every other driver on that list, bar Latifi, has earned more points than him. I think people are getting a bit carried away with Georgelove.

    Yeah but... Kubica outscored Russell in the Williams. I don’t think anyone would make the case that Kubica was faster than Russell. It’s pure pot-luck when the car is that poor.

    Points aren’t a good metric for performance in that at as a top notch performance would still not score points in that car.

    So what is a good metric for performance? Qualifying pace relative to teammates, race pace relative to teammates. But isn’t it a shame he couldn’t get a chance to drive a top car for a weekend and then see how he does against a teammate who has been in that car all year....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,905 ✭✭✭Joeface


    Top third - Hamilton, Riccardo, LeClerc, Verstappen,
    Middle third - Stroll, Gasly, Sainz, Norris, Bottas, Ocon, Vettel, Perez ,Russell, (Kvyat)
    Bottom third -( Kvyat) ,Albon ,Magnusson Giovanazzi, Raikkonen, Grojean, Lattiffi

    Stroll is not bottom tier , he has 2 podiums this year and a Pole which was just all him . He good , just all the flack from the Perez handling and team buy out by dad isn't helping him
    I think we are running away with ourselves a bit . Yes Russell is very very good. But he has only had one weekend in the best car .
    I would like to see more before running away with the next big thing. I would have given more credit to it if say Max had not exited and we got to see a bit more that just getting a head of Bottas who is clearly not at his 100% . That doesn't take away from Russell drive it just gives no benchmark ( man Mercedes really screwed him HA). I mean this guy did bin it behind the safety car and when Roman did that we all laughed . I think this weekends Track is better show if gets to drive there and if the other front runners can get round the first corner it would be good to see. It would be better still if Bottas was to miss this race and he got that car ...He might fit in it a little better/ nevermind bottas is 5'8" hamilton is 5'9" ......George is 6'1 how the f is his head not messing with the aero

    is there any word yet on whether he gets to go again .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,557 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Joeface wrote: »
    Top third - Hamilton, Riccardo, LeClerc, Verstappen,
    Middle third - Stroll, Gasly, Sainz, Norris, Bottas, Ocon, Vettel, Perez ,Russell, (Kvyat)
    Bottom third -( Kvyat) ,Albon ,Magnusson Giovanazzi, Raikkonen, Grojean, Lattiffi

    Stroll is not bottom tier ,...

    He was bottom tier when he started. But he isn’t anymore. He has developed. I think some people just evaluate a driver and then don’t take account of the fact that a driver can change over time so they make excuses for them or attribute a change in pace to other factors.

    Stroll is just a small bit behind Perez but I think lots of people would rate Perez far above stroll. Likewise, Vettel is miles behind LeClerc and lots of people make excuses for his poor performances and some even put him in the top tier. You’d have to be watching races from a long time ago to put him in the top tier


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,709 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    Stroll is bottom tier imho - considering the car at his use ,his preferential treatment when it comes to upgrades.

    Perez has had an excellent season and has performed well all season - to quote Autosport Perez has been generally 'Brilliant '.

    Stroll ,through a lot of luck, has had podiums and I doubt that I am not the only person who felt anyone other than Stroll in the racing point would have challenged for the win at Monza.

    Perez outclassed Stroll last weekend - something that he has done all season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,905 ✭✭✭Joeface


    I know its all only our own opinions and Strolls luck was in front runners going out , But in each case he had driven him self to be in those positions .
    On Sunday he went on amazing distance on the soft tires and kept pace up enough to get him self in that positions. 42 laps on soft and then added one of the longest stints on the mediums to secure his third place . Once Ocon and Perez pounced , he was never threatened by the rest . That isnt the first time he has driven him self into good positions. No one is saying Perez isn't a better driver but Stroll is not junk either and he will improve he is 22 . He is a much better driver now than he was 2 years ago .

    Stroll has had his share of bad luck , Running well in Mugello was it tyre went a F- him off into the barrier , Kvyat turned him over in Bahrain weekend one , Charles hit him in another race an put him out after he had made huge gains at the start .

    And you cant just say Luck , Gasly win was Luck then , Perez win is Luck as well , Skill to get him self to back to the position at the front . Luck that Mercedes decide to just screw up every thing . If you going to paint Stroll with luck then you have to apply it to all drivers.


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I honestly think Stroll in a different (tyre) era would be a solid mid-tier driver and maybe a bit more. I bitched and criticised him plenty in the past but he's shown that when things click for him he can deliver both in the race and qualifying. A quick google shows he smashed the F3 European Championship before he came into F1 and unsurprisingly they don't use Pirelli tyres.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,557 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I honestly think Stroll in a different (tyre) era would be a solid mid-tier driver and maybe a bit more. I bitched and criticised him plenty in the past but he's shown that when things click for him he can deliver both in the race and qualifying. A quick google shows he smashed the F3 European Championship before he came into F1 and unsurprisingly they don't use Pirelli tyres.

    What is it about the tyres that hampers him?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,905 ✭✭✭Joeface


    I honestly think Stroll in a different (tyre) era would be a solid mid-tier driver and maybe a bit more. I bitched and criticised him plenty in the past but he's shown that when things click for him he can deliver both in the race and qualifying. A quick google shows he smashed the F3 European Championship before he came into F1 and unsurprisingly they don't use Pirelli tyres.

    the other think on his F3 time his first season he finished 4th or Fifth as well right between Charles L and Russell , The Following season in F3 he was clear winner ahead of Russell , wouldn't consider him as good as either of those but he has shown he can compete with them .


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  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What is it about the tyres that hampers him?

    The Pirellis are just far too hit and miss with their operating windows and wear patterns.
    As I said in another thread, used to be drivers would spend a year in each series on their way to F1. The likes of Hamilton would win or podium each lower series then get into F1 known as the next big thing. Now in F2 (previously GP2) it takes a season to figure out the tyres in what is a spec series.
    The difference from one car to another and how (not how hard) the cars work their tyres means that windows can be missed and going more steady will cause more wear. Sometimes. In some cars. On some compounds. On some track surfaces. At some temperatures.
    Was it Perez the other day got the radio call telling him to keep up his pace (with no need to) because otherwise the tyre temperature would fall too low? Usually it's the opposite issue.
    Some cars run well on the Pirellis almost everywhere, others have handling characteristics that work on some tracks but not others.
    Working the tyres is a skill no doubt but we've seen in the past at Singapore for example that even Mercedes weren't able to figure it out. 2015 they were 1.5 seconds a lap off pole. Which is just ridiculous.


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Joeface wrote: »
    the other think on his F3 time his first season he finished 4th or Fifth as well right between Charles L and Russell , The Following season in F3 he was clear winner ahead of Russell , wouldn't consider him as good as either of those but he has shown he can compete with them .

    I think with the tyres being such a massive factor nowadays that F1 is still the top /elite level but as well as that it (and the feeder series to an extent) are almost separate from the other classes.
    And to be clear, I'm not suggesting for a second that Hamilton wouldn't be top level in any era. And Russell appears to be a generational talent already.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,174 ✭✭✭Top Dog


    Joeface wrote: »
    Top third - Hamilton, Riccardo, LeClerc, Verstappen,
    Middle third - Stroll, Gasly, Sainz, Norris, Bottas, Ocon, Vettel, Perez ,Russell, (Kvyat)
    Bottom third -( Kvyat) ,Albon ,Magnusson Giovanazzi, Raikkonen, Grojean, Lattiffi

    Stroll is not bottom tier , he has 2 podiums this year and a Pole which was just all him . He good , just all the flack from the Perez handling and team buy out by dad isn't helping him
    I think we are running away with ourselves a bit . Yes Russell is very very good. But he has only had one weekend in the best car
    Well a third of 20 is 6 + 7 + 7 to be most balanced. 4 is not near a third and neither is 9.

    So that's part of why I put George in the top third, and the reason Vettel escaped the bottom third.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭H8GHOTI


    https://youtu.be/W6iZsl1gnDU&t=11m46s

    Anyone watch these onboards? Towards the end Bottas’ engineer comes on the radio & tells him “Perez P1, with hard tyres that were 2 laps older than yours”. Strange comment I thought. Then he says “I think we need to be a lot better than this”. The way he said it, didn’t sound like he was on about the team and the pit stop mistake. More like he was having a go off Bottas.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭H8GHOTI


    https://youtu.be/eglCFzxWg6U

    This is Russells race highlights. It’s got radio of him asking where certain buttons are etc... He done well considering. Shows his overtake on Bottas too. Nice move.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,686 ✭✭✭Charlie-Bravo


    Yeah, radio for Russell is a bit of an eye-opener. Imagine if we were a few years back where the engineers couldn't coach the drivers during the race. Russell would be really hampered.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,028 ✭✭✭H3llR4iser


    astrofluff wrote: »
    Yeah, radio for Russell is a bit of an eye-opener. Imagine if we were a few years back where the engineers couldn't coach the drivers during the race. Russell would be really hampered.

    That is it - while it's understandable some people are getting irked with all the praise around Russel, he was basically driving a car he doesn't know, which is very different compared to his Williams, in which he didn't fit properly AND with a three years old seat which also must have been rather uncomfortable (George is only 22, and was 19 when he had that seat moulded...there is simply no way he's the exact same shape). He had to ask more than once how to perform procedures and activate profiles and modes.

    And yet, during the race could as well have been Hamilton in the car. Same difference in pace compared to Bottas, same controlled demeanor keeping him at bay any time he tried to cut the gap.
    H8GHOTI wrote: »
    https://youtu.be/W6iZsl1gnDU&t=11m46s

    Anyone watch these onboards? Towards the end Bottas’ engineer comes on the radio & tells him “Perez P1, with hard tyres that were 2 laps older than yours”. Strange comment I thought. Then he says “I think we need to be a lot better than this”. The way he said it, didn’t sound like he was on about the team and the pit stop mistake. More like he was having a go off Bottas.

    Bit weird, probably some frustration by his engineer who was likely expecting a cruise to victory; Also, the rubbish about the Mercedes being "unable to work well in traffic" is getting so damn stupid by now that it's basically at joke level. Hamilton cut through the field in Monza. Russell made it clear the W11 can overtake with very little trouble. Bottas was stuck in traffic on both occasions.

    And yet, Valterri is NOT terrible, not at all actually. He's phenomenally quick in qualifying, often beating Hamilton (a guy with 98 pole positions). And he's usually solid race day as well, only...just missing that little bit to take the fight to Lewis. And the fact he seems to struggle so much in traffic is a mystery.

    I'm sure it's the perfect situation for Mercedes, 'cause Bottas plays the "wingman" role without too much fuss, but must be extremely frustrating for him; Doubly so with the Russell situation now. Valterri would be able to comfortably win multiple WDCs in the Mercedes, if he was the #1 driver with a more modest second next to him. But he's unlucky enough to have Hamilton as a team mate...and when that one opportunity to lead arose, Mercedes decided to test out Russell, fully knowing his immense potential.

    Had the team decided to put Vandoorne in the car, we'd be commenting an easy, possibily boring "hat trick" by Bottas, without drama nor incidents (the "monumental fcuk up" wouldn't have happened with the cars a bit further apart), but no - poor Valterri can't be THAT lucky.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    H3llR4iser wrote: »
    And he's usually solid race day as well, only...just missing that little bit to take the fight to Lewis.

    The little bit being balls.

    Was it Portimao He was nearly scraping the pit wall he had pulled over so far to the right to avoid a fight with Hamilton. Rosberg would not have giving Hamilton the racing line there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    I really hope Bottas does well this weekend to shut up some posters here. Totally biased against him, regardless of the outside influences against him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,256 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    It's mainly the AntiHams that are upset that Bottas didn't turn into the pain in Hamiltons side that Nico Rosberg was in 2016.
    Me personally, I think had Rosberg stayed in 2017 to defend his title, Vettel would have won that year or at the very least Ferrari would nab the constructors because Mercedes-Benz would have been a very dog eat dog team.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,880 ✭✭✭✭klose


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    The little bit being balls.

    Was it Portimao He was nearly scraping the pit wall he had pulled over so far to the right to avoid a fight with Hamilton. Rosberg would not have giving Hamilton the racing line there.

    Yeah, he pulled into all the flaked off rubber and all which is bad for his tyre management for the race too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,557 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    astrofluff wrote: »
    Yeah, radio for Russell is a bit of an eye-opener. Imagine if we were a few years back where the engineers couldn't coach the drivers during the race. Russell would be really hampered.

    Yeah I'd have to agree. Anyone thinking its as simple as hopping in the car and putting in a top performance in one weekend is overlooking all the nuance that goes into doing a top drive. Having to think about every steering adjustment instead of it being instinct. As good as he was at the weekend, you have to assume he has even more to offer if he had a whole preseason to get used to the car.

    In some ways, the misfortune only adds to his popularity. I think anyone with a soul will hope he gets another drive and a chance to win. I'll be cheering for him even louder because of his poor luck.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,686 ✭✭✭Charlie-Bravo


    Any word on Hamilton being able to race this weekend?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,233 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I'd expect that if he were going to race it would have been announced by now tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,709 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    While F1 are always capable of doing the unexpected, the chances of Lewis competing this weekend are close to zero.

    Without a negative test Hamilton cannot leave Bahrain, even then he would need special exemptions to travel into Abu Dhabi and even then a 48 hour quarantining.

    The optics of the Abu Dhabi authorities giving an F1 superstar an exemption is so bad that it is highly unlikely to happen.

    Anything is possible in F1 though. ...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,148 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Russell has been listed on the Abu Dhabi media briefing kit as Mercedes but the team are refusing to confirm if he will race.


    Shwartzman's planned FP1 at Haas is cancelled with Schumacher instead replacing Magnussen


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,498 ✭✭✭Harika


    Infoanon wrote: »

    The optics of the Abu Dhabi authorities giving an F1 superstar an exemption is so bad that it is highly unlikely to happen.

    Anything is possible in F1 though. ...

    Abu Dhabi is well known for respecting their law, obiding rules and trying to be a sparkling light for their people. Don't think they give a cent about doing something please the dollar


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    The mother of all f*ckups, word for word, as it happened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    A detailed and honest dissection of the Sakhir GP by James Allison here. Well worth a watch. Goes into a lot of detail on the strategy and what exactly went wrong with the pit stops. He also goes into detail on Valtteri's two slow starts at both races. The first (against Hamilton) was down to poor grip in that grid position and the second (against Russell) was down to a marginally slower reaction time. In both cases the clutches were deployed equally by all drivers.

    https://motorsport.tv/embed/TxEENVWC-the-double-stack-pit-stop-explained-2020-sakhir-gp-f1-race-debrief?autoplay


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