All Together Now 2019

Dixon Bainbridge · 22-05-2019 9:45am

Does arcadia go on later than when main acts finish or is there music goin on til 3 or 4 like EP?

D.Q · 22-05-2019 10:15am

Yep, goes til about 4 in the morning

El Director · 24-05-2019 10:42pm

Spoiler alert maybe unwarranted but just in case you like to wait until the week of to know the stage time/act/days

Looks like Fontaines have let when they are on stage out of the bag on their IG - Friday night! I really hope they are not bumped up to the main stage after the success of Dogrel, nice medium size tent would be awesome :cool:

BullBlackNova · 25-05-2019 8:52am

I reckon there's a decent chance they get one of the biggest crowds of the weekend. Hope it's a tent but hope there a decent run before them so I can get a decent spot too!

Lester Freamon · 25-05-2019 1:59pm

BullBlackNova wrote: »

I reckon there's a decent chance they get one of the biggest crowds of the weekend. Hope it's a tent but hope there a decent run before them so I can get a decent spot too!

I pray to god they will be in a tent but my gut is now saying ATN may be forced to stick them on the main stage

Stillill42 · 25-05-2019 4:11pm

Lester Freamon wrote: »

I pray to god they will be in a tent but my gut is now saying ATN may be forced to stick them on the main stage

That would be a terrible shame. No matter what successes they achieve, they should spend the rest of their lives playing small to middling tents.

El Director · 25-05-2019 4:18pm

Yeah it would be a pity but good for them and a good opportunity. Not sure about you guys but I wasn’t overly impressed by the main stage last year, sound seemed to drift away over the adjoining fields...if that makes sense. Not like main stage EP which holds the sound so well imo.

No matter, my excitement for this year is close to boiling over at times. Can’t. Wait. :cool:

Blackie_IRL · 26-05-2019 9:02am

El Director wrote: »

Yeah it would be a pity but good for them and a good opportunity. Not sure about you guys but I wasn’t overly impressed by the main stage last year, sound seemed to drift away over the adjoining fields...if that makes sense. Not like main stage EP which holds the sound so well imo.

No matter, my excitement for this year is close to boiling over at times. Can’t. Wait. :cool:

Took them years to refine the sound of main stage at EP, but the last couple of years they've nailed it.

sally cinnamon89 · 26-05-2019 2:45pm

Really looking forward to this

ghostdancer · 26-05-2019 4:24pm

Eod100 · 26-05-2019 4:43pm

Nice one, must give that a listen! With Lisa Hannigan on the new album again and already on the bill, say she will sing on a few songs with them at ATN

endainoz · 26-05-2019 7:08pm

Eod100 wrote:

Nice one, must give that a listen! With Lisa Hannigan on the new album again and already on the bill, say she will sing on a few songs with them at ATN

Can't wait to see her sing Swan with Stargaze, such a haunting voice!

sally cinnamon89 · 27-05-2019 10:12am

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/pod-festivals-management-face-the-music-with-refinancing-plan-5qcw8357r

This is concerning

Ricosruffneck · 27-05-2019 10:28am

paywall..

I thought this would happen tbh. Same thing with Bestival.

I reckon a downsize; but which fest will get the chop?

Metropolis, Forbidden Fruit or ATN?

Useful.Idiot · 27-05-2019 11:34am

I'd be surprised if Metropolis made any kind of profit since its first year or two. Its popularity dipped massively in such a short space of time.

SteelyDanJalapeno · 27-05-2019 11:37am

Useful.Idiot wrote: »

I'd be surprised if Metropolis made any kind of profit since its first year or two. Its popularity dipped massively in such a short space of time.

That was a combination of poor line ups and price hikes vs the 1st year, no fault but their own for that.

maximoose · 27-05-2019 11:43am

Ricosruffneck wrote: »

Metropolis, Forbidden Fruit or ATN?

If any were up for the chop you'd have to think it would be in that order

Ricosruffneck · 27-05-2019 11:49am

maximoose wrote: »

If any were up for the chop you'd have to think it would be in that order

Nah, i'd say this order imo, but I don't know costs involved.

ATN, Metropolis, FF.

Can't be cheap running the campsites, having extra security, transports, insurances etc.

I'm sure for these City fests a fair bit could be covered by local councils and available transport options.

Stillill42 · 27-05-2019 12:16pm

Ricosruffneck wrote: »

Nah, i'd say this order imo, but I don't know costs involved.

ATN, Metropolis, FF.

Can't be cheap running the campsites, having extra security, transports, insurances etc.

I'm sure for these City fests a fair bit could be covered by local councils and available transport options.

If that's the case, you'd have to wonder at the logic of introducing ATN as recently as last year. You'd have to think it was to address the cash problems rather than the cause of them.

Useful.Idiot · 27-05-2019 12:20pm

Ricosruffneck wrote: »

Nah, i'd say this order imo, but I don't know costs involved.

ATN, Metropolis, FF.

Can't be cheap running the campsites, having extra security, transports, insurances etc.

I'm sure for these City fests a fair bit could be covered by local councils and available transport options.

It'd be hard to know, I'm sure there's extra costs involved in running an inner city fest too.

ATN also has the highest ticket cost and a far bigger capacity that it sells out so its revenue could more than match the higher costs, whereas FF and Metropolis undersell tickets.

Suckit · 27-05-2019 3:49pm

Ricosruffneck wrote: »

paywall..

The Article

Pod Festivals, owner of the Forbidden Fruit and All Together Now music events, is in talks about refinancing its debts after making a loss of €2.85m last year, writes Gavin Daly.
The company was owned by entertainment entrepreneur John Reynolds, who died in late October last year. His brother James joined the board of Pod in December.
New accounts show Pod had accumulated losses of €4.5m at the end of 2018. It owed €5.1m to creditors, including almost €1m to trade creditors and more than €384,000 to John Reynolds. The auditors to Pod, Grant Thornton, said its liabilities amounted to “a material uncertainty which may cast significant doubt about the company’s ability to continue as a going concern”.
Pod’s directors said, however, that its business plan was on track and they expected to make a profit in 2019. Creditors had been supportive and they were “confident of a positive result” in refinancing negotiations.
“The company is in a phase of its growth in which it is establishing new festivals and this inevitably involves substantial initial investment, which will be realised as festivals mature,” they said.

Forbidden Fruit takes place next weekend at the Royal Hospital in Kilmainham in Dublin. All Together Now is on the August bank holiday weekend at Curraghmore estate in Co Waterford.

Ricosruffneck · 27-05-2019 3:56pm

Suckit wrote: »

The Article

I'm not good at understanding finance.

Excluding what John is owed does that mean they're 10.6 million in the red? or 4.5 mill is the amount in the red?

ILIKEFOOD · 27-05-2019 4:11pm

that's grim - I'm surprised FF doesn't do better. Much better location than Longitude.. line up is usually solid enough.

I never had an appetite for a festival as late in the year as metropolis, and it was also fairly ****e the one time I did go.

Furious-Red · 27-05-2019 4:16pm

ILIKEFOOD wrote: »

that's grim - I'm surprised FF doesn't do better. Much better location than Longitude.. line up is usually solid enough.

I never had an appetite for a festival as late in the year as metropolis, and it was also fairly ****e the one time I did go.

Could also be the budget POD have for FF vs the budget MCD have for Longitude.

Ive been to FF twice and both years really enjoyed myself (went the first year and then the year with Kasabian). Longitude looked promising at the start but they have clearly went for a different demographic the last few years (not saying its a bad thing , just aint my taste). If the weather is nice on Monday i might head up for Elbow

Eod100 · 27-05-2019 4:17pm

For comparison here's a line up of All Points East on this Sunday. Only Ty X and Julien Baker playing FF too. First aid kit pulled out. If that line up in full or most of it was the Monday of FF I'd be there in a heartbeat. www.allpointseastfestival.com/lineup/sunday-02-june-2019-lineup-information-bon-iver/

ghostdancer · 27-05-2019 4:27pm

APE were giving away free tickets for that over the weekend, a week in advance, presumably as sales are so low:
https://www.efestivals.co.uk/forums/topic/229531-free-ape-tickets-via-o2/

Eod100 · 27-05-2019 4:33pm

ghostdancer wrote: »

APE were giving away free tickets for that over the weekend, a week in advance, presumably as sales are so low:
https://www.efestivals.co.uk/forums/topic/229531-free-ape-tickets-via-o2/

Might have happened anyways if they are a sponsor but saw an article alright about festivals in UK and Europe being sluggish. Just think if Bon Iver was playing here there would be decent amount of interest. Rest of like up is probably bit on niche side to be fair

Rigor Mortis · 27-05-2019 5:40pm

So, trade creditors are people like printers and people you buy services from. Creditors would normally include those + investor loans + bank loans or other finance.

They are 5.1 in the hole from my read of this. WHile its not great and a piece on going concern isnt wonderful either, its not totally strange. Depends on how supportive your key creditors are, trade and otherwise. Problem with this kind of thing is that it can make creditors jumpy.

johnnyskeleton · 27-05-2019 5:52pm

Ricosruffneck wrote: »

I'm not good at understanding finance.

Excluding what John is owed does that mean they're 10.6 million in the red? or 4.5 mill is the amount in the red?

They owe 5.1m to creditors. Less Johns debt, thats c4.7m owed. They presumably have assets to cover these debts otherwise they be insolvent, but those assets arent necessarily realisable e.g. they could say they have goodwill worth €2m built up, but no one would pay them that for it. So it cant be said from the figures alone if they are in the red or not, but the auditors warning is fairly stark.

The accumulated losses are relevant only because they can write them off against future profits. So lets say hypothetically a currently profitable events company took them over, they could reduce their tax bill with this.

In terms of the last years loss, this would be worrying if its a trend, but they probably put a lot into ATN in advance, metrop will probably be axed and ATN should turn a profit this year based on 20k ticket sales.

But tldr; dont expect any surprise new headliners to be announced

kg703 · 28-05-2019 11:03am

Time to get in some sponsors

Hoboo · 28-05-2019 12:02pm

The Irish Fyre of 2019......this is twice now.

Ricosruffneck · 28-05-2019 12:08pm

Hoboo wrote: »

The Irish Fyre of 2019......this is twice now.

Twice?

Didn't seem that bad last year.

ILIKEFOOD · 28-05-2019 12:17pm

Hoboo wrote: »

The Irish Fyre of 2019......this is twice now.

bizarre comment..

El Director · 28-05-2019 12:28pm

Anyway...everything is going to be alright...right guys?

delbertgrady · 28-05-2019 12:45pm

Hoboo wrote: »

The Irish Fyre of 2019.......

Ricosruffneck · 28-05-2019 12:45pm

El Director wrote: »

Anyway...everything is going to be alright...right guys?

Depends.. this is my take from what i've seen read before in previous fests.

Each band deal is different

Your bigger artists may get paid 50% up front with the remaining amount paid post gig.

Smaller artists may only get paid weeks/months after a fest (see ATN 2018, where they were named and shamed by a collection of mainly Irish smaller bands)

If the agent were reading an article about a fests finances in a bad light they may decide to ask for the full amount up front (see Woodstock 2019)

Lots of the bigger bands then asking for their fees up front may not be possible and put the fest under financial strain.

Now lets say one of the acts pulls out because their request for upfront payment is denied e.g. the National, Father John Misty.

This could cause a ripple effect which causes uncertainty in other bands who then follow suit.

It's a real tricky balancing act.

But ATN will be fine, it's sold out.

johnnyskeleton · 28-05-2019 1:04pm

Hoboo wrote: »

The Irish Fyre of 2019......this is twice now.

Fyre was an entrepreneur trying to set up a music festival without knowing much about the business; he spent too much on social media marketing, didn't properly book the bands, played fast and loose with the location, forcing him to cancel it and didn't put enough work into the accommodation and food to make it work. At a certain point he should have cancelled for that year and put it back to the following year, but he didn't and now he's being charged with fraud.

POD are a professional events company that have been trading successfully for over twenty years in Ireland. They have successfully set up electric picnic and have been generally successful. Of late, they have put a lot of money into setting up a new music festival and have experienced (one infers) declining sales for their other two events, metropolis and forbidden fruit. Like with many companies involved in business as risk as the music industry, they will have very profitable years and make significant losses in other years.

ATN is by all accounts a very well organised and well set up festival. There is no reason to believe that they haven't organised this year's festival with the same level of care as last years'.

It is unclear what you mean by "this is twice now".

I suspect you are not going to elaborate on what exactly you meant, but I thought your points should be refuted in any event!

Hoboo · 28-05-2019 3:28pm

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Fyre was an entrepreneur trying to set up a music festival without knowing much about the business; he spent too much on social media marketing, didn't properly book the bands, played fast and loose with the location, forcing him to cancel it and didn't put enough work into the accommodation and food to make it work. At a certain point he should have cancelled for that year and put it back to the following year, but he didn't and now he's being charged with fraud.

POD are a professional events company that have been trading successfully for over twenty years in Ireland. They have successfully set up electric picnic and have been generally successful. Of late, they have put a lot of money into setting up a new music festival and have experienced (one infers) declining sales for their other two events, metropolis and forbidden fruit. Like with many companies involved in business as risk as the music industry, they will have very profitable years and make significant losses in other years.

ATN is by all accounts a very well organised and well set up festival. There is no reason to believe that they haven't organised this year's festival with the same level of care as last years'.

It is unclear what you mean by "this is twice now".

I suspect you are not going to elaborate on what exactly you meant, but I thought your points should be refuted in any event!

I could have sworn they went in to liquidation in 2009, defaulting on a 750k tax bill. Or maybe that was a different POD owned by John Reynolds?

Thats what I meant by 'this is twice now'. Or potentially twice. They're up to their ears in debt and although things look good from the outside, they aren't.

As one of his friends said after he died, he'll turn in his grave if ATN makes a profit.

(I know what Fyre is/was btw - I was referring to corners being cut, not ATN being a fraudulant disaster)

D.Q · 28-05-2019 3:59pm

Jesus this is miserable talk

endainoz · 28-05-2019 4:10pm

They'll be fine, ATN will have itself firmly established as the second big festival of the year and long may it continue.

mrk75 · 29-05-2019 10:32am

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Fyre was an entrepreneur trying to set up a music festival without knowing much about the business; he spent too much on social media marketing, didn't properly book the bands, played fast and loose with the location, forcing him to cancel it and didn't put enough work into the accommodation and food to make it work. At a certain point he should have cancelled for that year and put it back to the following year, but he didn't and now he's being charged with fraud.

An entrepreneur?!! That's generous. He is and was a fraud - hence where he's ended up. He had no interest in anything except a con job. He's a bum who was only interested in swindling as many people as possible while swanning around the Caribbean in a yacht.

Put it back the following year?!! Like the only issue was he ran out of time...?!

bananas · 01-06-2019 8:33am

Does anyone know how easy / difficult it is to get accomadation near the festival? And how easy / difficult it would be to travel to and from? &#55358;&#56596;

alexmcquaid · 01-06-2019 1:33pm

Sing Along Social are self confirmed for the weekend. I have a vague memory of doing Irish Dancing while they blasted Riverdance last year, a good addition to liven the place up.

sally cinnamon89 · 02-06-2019 1:11pm

I would expect announcements to come end of next week

Stillill42 · 02-06-2019 7:21pm

bananas wrote: »

Does anyone know how easy / difficult it is to get accomadation near the festival? And how easy / difficult it would be to travel to and from? ��

Myself and the wife got an air bnb about 10 miles away. Very little around Portlaw and it was all snapped up pretty sharpish. I found a local taxi guy with the help of a fellow boardsie living around there (shout out to Greenspurs) and he was brilliant, dropped us in and out at all hours. I know lots of people weren't so lucky. They have, I think, acknowledged the problem of getting off site at night and promised to do something about it.

pah · 03-06-2019 10:44am

I was holding off on booking a podpad getting the money together. Now they're sold out. If anyone knows of any cancellations etc, drop me a pm. Please and thanks

heebusjeebus · 03-06-2019 2:25pm

pah wrote: »

I was holding off on booking a podpad getting the money together. Now they're sold out. If anyone knows of any cancellations etc, drop me a pm. Please and thanks

Worth remembering for next year but you can pay them in installments.

pah · 03-06-2019 11:47pm

heebusjeebus wrote: »

Worth remembering for next year but you can pay them in installments.

Thanks, I hadn't realised until I saw another post about it here in the last day or so

miller82 · 04-06-2019 7:59am

Soda Blonde are a cert i reckon.

Basq · 04-06-2019 8:10am

miller82 wrote: »

Soda Blonde are a cert i reckon.

Given the Little Green Cars shaped hole.. yeah, I'd say so.

All Together Now 2019

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