Living in New York?

él statutorio · 17-07-2020 7:08pm

MOR316 wrote: »

I'm sure Canada is amazing. I've friends over there and they say the same.

However, again it's just a personal thing with NY.
I've even gotten to a stage where I'm thinking of doing a course, becoming a student again and trying to get a J1. I haven't looked too much into it, just a thought that came into my head last night

A J1 would only get you a few months. You might be able to get a post grad J1 which gets you a year (or maybe a year and a bit)but I think it might have an age dependency which you might be too old for.

MOR316 · 17-07-2020 7:22pm

él statutorio wrote: »

A J1 would only get you a few months. You might be able to get a post grad J1 which gets you a year (or maybe a year and a bit)but I think it might have an age dependency which you might be too old for.

So basically, I'm screwed

Palmy · 18-07-2020 12:36am

MOR316 wrote: »

So basically, I'm screwed

Like the other poster said, even though you have your heart set on NYC making that decision to start with Canada first is the best route to go down. You hate your job and where you live, so just bite the bullet so to speak and make that move to Canada first. You can basically live not to far from NY state and travel there when you want easily. Then if things go your way in 4+ years you could possibly move to NYC to live. It’s the best of both worlds. You can live as close to NYC without living there and you are getting yourself out of the situation you are in.
I was lucky enough to win the Green Card Lottery ten years ago and have been happily living in the States since. I moved here with a Wife, Son, our Dog and five suite cases. We didn’t have jobs, family or anyone here we knew. We started fresh and to say I was scared ****less is putting it lightly. Within a week we had found a place to live and moved out of our $65 a night motel.
I was much like you and had always dreamt about living in the States from a young age.
I look back now and think about how everything was so different and exciting. Our son left Ireland as a toddler and is more American than anything else now.
Like everywhere else you get a job, make a life, meet friends and before you know it, it’s ten years later. The excitement goes after about two years and it just becomes home. If you hate your job and where you are now just pull the trigger and make a move to Canada, what’s the worst that can happen? You hate it and have to move back home? Well at least you can tell yourself you gave it a go.

amdublin · 22-07-2020 1:11am

él statutorio wrote: »

A J1 would only get you a few months. You might be able to get a post grad J1 which gets you a year (or maybe a year and a bit)but I think it might have an age dependency which you might be too old for.

No age dependency on the grad visa.

Usit would be great to talk with but they are gone bust now

él statutorio · 22-07-2020 6:46pm

amdublin wrote: »

No age dependency on the grad visa.

Usit would be great to talk with but they are gone bust now

No, but I think you need to take it within a certain amount of time after graduating.

So unless the poster is a very recent graduate or can knock out a degree pretty quick, it's likely a non-runner too.

amdublin · 22-07-2020 6:48pm

él statutorio wrote: »

No, but I think you need to take it within a certain amount of time after graduating.

So unless the poster is a very recent graduate or can knock out a degree pretty quick, it's likely a non-runner too.

Yep think within one year, maybe two, of graduating.

Think the poster was mentioning going back to college which is why I mentioned there not being an age limit

ChelseaRentBoy · 22-07-2020 7:05pm

MOR316 wrote: »

There are some great places in Ireland, to be fair.

Just the town I'm from and live in, the things I've seen/gone through/experienced here, have all left me floored mentally. Too many reminders of things that happened and that were said. I can't remember the last day I haven't cried. I need to get out of here because life shouldn't be lived carrying that kind of baggage

New York has been a dream of mine since I was a child. Anytime I've been there, it feels like an outer body experience, like it isn't real and I'm currently smiling, as I type this, just by thinking of the place!
No one gives a **** what you say, do, wear or how you look so long as you're not hurting somebody. They leave you to do you. The people, in my experience, are so kind, helpful and loving

It's crawling with rats, it's dirty, it's smelly, the taxi drivers drive as if they've got a death wish but, none of that bothers me. (Well except when it's an incredibly hot day and you're struggling for air )

Go and don't look back, ever. Lived for 12 glorious years in Manhattan and Williamsburg.

Watched the towers fall whilst suffering from an almighty 28th birthday hangover from my rooftop on East 77th street and 2nd, went through more girlfriends than i care to remember, sat and skulled pints with Ben Affleck for the evening before later winning a 50 dollar game of pool against him, got mugged twice and arrested once, worked as a waiter, bouncer and bartender and loved every minute of it before finally getting slung out for not having the proper legal status.

London, Paris or Rome don't come close, nothing does or ever will.

Just go.

MOR316 · 23-07-2020 2:27am

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Go and don't look back, ever. Lived for 12 glorious years in Manhattan and Williamsburg.

Watched the towers fall whilst suffering from an almighty 28th birthday hangover from my rooftop on East 77th street and 2nd, went through more girlfriends than i care to remember, sat and skulled pints with Ben Affleck for the evening before later winning a 50 dollar game of pool against him, got mugged twice and arrested once, worked as a waiter, bouncer and bartender and loved every minute of it before finally getting slung out for not having the proper legal status.

London, Paris or Rome don't come close, nothing does or ever will.

Just go.

You're getting my juices going

Are you banned from entering again for life?

él statutorio · 24-07-2020 3:18pm

MOR316 wrote: »

You're getting my juices going
Are you banned from entering again for life?

Open to correction but I think it's a 10 year ban, and after that you have to apply via the Embassy for a visa.

MOR316 · 24-07-2020 4:15pm

él statutorio wrote: »

Open to correction but I think it's a 10 year ban, and after that you have to apply via the Embassy for a visa.

OK...That's not getting my juices going

Whats happening · 26-07-2020 5:59pm

él statutorio wrote: »

Open to correction but I think it's a 10 year ban, and after that you have to apply via the Embassy for a visa.

I was at the embassy for a non immigration visa in Jan and there was a lad in his 20's in front of me who overstayed on an ETSA, was there 6 months due to an ill relative, and despite letter / reference from work he was still refused a new ESTA. I saw quite a few people rejected that day and no privacy.

But have read that bans can be 5, 10, 15, 20 years and up to life ban.

Not worth the risk IMO

circular flexing · 26-07-2020 7:33pm

Whats happening wrote: »

I was at the embassy for a non immigration visa in Jan and there was a lad in his 20's in front of me who overstayed on an ETSA, was there 6 months due to an ill relative, and despite letter / reference from work he was still refused a new ESTA. I saw quite a few people rejected that day and no privacy.

But have read that bans can be 5, 10, 15, 20 years and up to life ban.

Not worth the risk IMO

The rules are actually pretty clear. Any overstay means you can’t use VWP or ESTA again. Overstay by more than 180 days but less than 1 year is 3 year ban. Anything over 1 year is a 10 year ban.

MOR316 · 19-08-2020 12:14am

Jesus Christ...

All of recent events here have just made me even more determined to go. Will beg on my hands and knees to the embassy if I have to

amdublin · 19-08-2020 2:05pm

MOR316 wrote: »

Jesus Christ...

All of recent events here have just made me even more determined to go. Will beg on my hands and knees to the embassy if I have to

All the events where?

Have you seen what is going on in the States at the moment?

Begging to the embassy won't work. There is a criteria and that is that.

MOR316 · 19-08-2020 2:56pm

amdublin wrote: »

All the events where?

Have you seen what is going on in the States at the moment?

Begging to the embassy won't work. There is a criteria and that is that.

Jesus, pal

Seriously, does anyone know what piss taking or sarcasm is around this place no? Do you really think that me, a fully grown man, is going to the embassy in Dublin to beg them, in the hope they'll let me in without any visa or without following the proper channels?

****ing hell...I would have thought the green smiley after it would have given it away but, obviously not...

I don't care if The States has Daffy Duck as president or whatever else. As I have stated several times, I want to move to NY for a period of time as it's been my dream since I was a child. End of!

regulators · 19-08-2020 3:09pm

Had a three year Visa and was living in Chicago. Only back home and lasted 11 months as was sick of it.

Did Vegas, New York, California, Wisconsin.

US is not all its cut out to be. Good bars and clubs but meh. Home is just as good and most europeen cities are better.

The high rise buildings are a novelty and was at a ton of Baseball, Basketball, WWE yokes, water parks and a couple of concerts.

The Winters are bitter cold but good summers.

I have two years left on the Visa and might be sent back for a six month stint I reckon. Wouldn't mind it but not living there permantly non stop for three years or five years.

MOR316 · 19-08-2020 3:13pm

regulators wrote: »

Had a three year Visa and was living in Chicago. Only back home and lasted 11 months as was sick of it.

Did Vegas, New York, California, Wisconsin.

US is not all its cut out to be. Good bars and clubs but meh. Home is just as good and most europeen cities are better.

The high rise buildings are a novelty and was at a ton of Baseball, Basketball, WWE yokes, water parks and a couple of concerts.

The Winters are bitter cold but good summers.

Sounds awful

regulators · 19-08-2020 3:22pm

MOR316 wrote: »

Sounds awful

Was good for first six months then novelty wore off and wanted to come home,b especially wth the virus.

MOR316 · 19-08-2020 3:29pm

regulators wrote: »

Was good for first six months then novelty wore off and wanted to come home,b especially wth the virus.

I hear ya.

Palmy · 24-08-2020 11:20pm

regulators wrote: »

Had a three year Visa and was living in Chicago. Only back home and lasted 11 months as was sick of it.

Did Vegas, New York, California, Wisconsin.

US is not all its cut out to be. Good bars and clubs but meh. Home is just as good and most europeen cities are better.

The high rise buildings are a novelty and was at a ton of Baseball, Basketball, WWE yokes, water parks and a couple of concerts.

The Winters are bitter cold but good summers.

I have two years left on the Visa and might be sent back for a six month stint I reckon. Wouldn't mind it but not living there permantly non stop for three years or five years.

I don’t know for the life of me why people move to a major U.S city. Living close to a big city within an hours drive is the way to go. Eleven months is not giving it a go, I get it if you transferred over and was stuck in Chicago but if you had an option I would have gone elsewhere in the States. Cold
winters no thanks. Lived in Dublin for 13 years and was more afraid for my wellbeing there than I ever did in the States.

él statutorio · 26-08-2020 4:05pm

Palmy wrote: »

I don’t know for the life of me why people move to a major U.S city. Living close to a big city within an hours drive is the way to go. Eleven months is not giving it a go, I get it if you transferred over and was stuck in Chicago but if you had an option I would have gone elsewhere in the States. Cold
winters no thanks. Lived in Dublin for 13 years and was more afraid for my wellbeing there than I ever did in the States.

Would have to agree with that. I'm in the US almost 6 years now. The first 18-24 months were the hardest.
11 months isn't giving it a fair crack of the whip.

Palmy · 29-08-2020 1:29am

él statutorio wrote: »

Would have to agree with that. I'm in the US almost 6 years now. The first 18-24 months were the hardest.
11 months isn't giving it a fair crack of the whip.

Yup you have to give it at least two years to say you actually gave it a go. Been here nearly 10yrs myself now.

MOR316 · 29-08-2020 5:58pm

Lucky bastards...

Someone summed it up, for me. They've been all over the world, places I never even knew existed.

They said, "It's the one place where everything you've learned in life makes sense to you"

SHOVELLER · 12-09-2020 4:58pm

circular flexing wrote: »

The rules are actually pretty clear. Any overstay means you can’t use VWP or ESTA again. Overstay by more than 180 days but less than 1 year is 3 year ban. Anything over 1 year is a 10 year ban.

While the rules are clear it is always at the discretion of the officer who looks at your case. Under this administration you can be sure they will adhere strictly but otherwise I've known cases that were not cut and dried.

Palmy · 16-09-2020 1:12am

SHOVELLER wrote: »

While the rules are clear it is always at the discretion of the officer who looks at your case. Under this administration you can be sure they will adhere strictly but otherwise I've known cases that were not cut and dried.

I know a girl from NZD who overstayed back in the 1990’s by three months and was automatically banned for ten years. Doesn’t matter which administration it’s in. Know of an Italian who was also arrested about ten years ago who had overstated by over a year. Spend three months in a immigration facility and send back to Italy on a flight escorted by two federal agents handcuffed. They charged the Italian government for his trip which was in the tens on thousands. While he left Italy, if he ever goes back to work their he would automatically get deducted heavily from his pay check.
Immigration doesn’t play around here period.
Two agencies you don’t mess with here. Immigration and the IRS

duffysfarm · 17-09-2020 2:55pm

would that be a 10 year bank from the date you overstayed? e.g. you overstayed in 2005 would you get an automatic ban for 10 years from then or would it be 10 years from when you next tried to get in?

SHOVELLER wrote: »

While the rules are clear it is always at the discretion of the officer who looks at your case. Under this administration you can be sure they will adhere strictly but otherwise I've known cases that were not cut and dried.

circular flexing · 17-09-2020 5:44pm

duffysfarm wrote: »

would that be a 10 year bank from the date you overstayed? e.g. you overstayed in 2005 would you get an automatic ban for 10 years from then or would it be 10 years from when you next tried to get in?

The ban starts the day you leave the US. But don't forget you cannot use VWP/ESTA if you overstay.

MOR316 · 20-09-2020 9:05pm

So how long is the ESTA for? And can you only use it once?

Ponster · 21-09-2020 11:21am

90 days. The visa allows you to visit as often as you like during the two years that it's valid for but it wouldn't surprise me if you were flagged for questioning for any possible abuses.

MOR316 · 21-09-2020 2:41pm

Ponster wrote: »

90 days. The visa it sels allows you to visit as often as you like during the two years that it's valid for but it wouldn't surprise me if you were flagged for questioning for any possible abuses.

I would be very tempted to go for 3 months of the year so, as often as I can.

Providing things don't go the way I hope. Will make a trip to the Embassy to see what my options are and what I can do*

*For 2022, when Dublin comes out of level 3

él statutorio · 21-09-2020 4:05pm

MOR316 wrote: »

I would be very tempted to go for 3 months of the year so, as often as I can.

Providing things don't go the way I hope. Will make a trip to the Embassy to see what my options are and what I can do*

*For 2022, when Dublin comes out of level 3

As soon as you come back for your 2nd 90 stint you'll get grilled by immigration.

MOR316 · 21-09-2020 5:18pm

él statutorio wrote: »

As soon as you come back for your 2nd 90 stint you'll get grilled by immigration.

"3 month holiday"

It's all it would be

circular flexing · 21-09-2020 6:01pm

él statutorio wrote: »

As soon as you come back for your 2nd 90 stint you'll get grilled by immigration.

I think once a year for 90 days wouldn't raise any flags. More frequent trips would raise a flag.

krissovo · 21-09-2020 6:04pm

MOR316 wrote: »

"3 month holiday"

It's all it would be

The trouble is that the CPB are not the most reliable for consistent entry while 8 times out of 10 you could have no trouble the other 2 could be painful experiences. Under the current administration I am fairly positive you would go through further screening after a 3 month stint the previous years and proof of address in the states, finances plus a ticket home Would be minimum requirements for entry.

Its can be hard enough as a green card holder and the burden of proof is up to the traveler an not the border patrol.

él statutorio · 21-09-2020 6:28pm

MOR316 wrote: »

"3 month holiday"

It's all it would be

You go ahead and try that and tell us how you get on....

It'll probably work for a few trips, but you'll eventually get a bollox of an immigration officer and that'll be the end of you 90 day trips.

You can do the 90 day trips but if you take the piss with it then you'll get caught out.

kravmaga · 21-09-2020 7:02pm

MOR316 wrote: »

So how long is the ESTA for? And can you only use it once?

2 years. After the 2 years is up you can apply again.

I'm sure all the questions are answered on the website anyways

https://esta.cbp.dhs.gov/faq

Was in NYC in late Feb early March, just got back before lockdown.

It was overpriced, customer service was sh1t, did not meet one genuine American, a lot of Hispanics and Latinos in service industry, hotel, bars.

Eneded up in an Irish bar near The Rockerfella centre for a bit of banter and craic.

MOR316 · 21-09-2020 7:21pm

él statutorio wrote: »

You go ahead and try that and tell us how you get on....

It'll probably work for a few trips, but you'll eventually get a bollox of an immigration officer and that'll be the end of you 90 day trips.

You can do the 90 day trips but if you take the piss with it then you'll get caught out.

I'll just do a 3 month trip and then a 2 month trip

Either way, there's always a way if you want it bad enough

Yyhhuuu · 22-09-2020 2:22am

MOR316 wrote: »

I'll just do a 3 month trip and then a 2 month trip

Either way, there's always a way if you want it bad enough

Naïve

MOR316 · 22-09-2020 11:45am

Yyhhuuu wrote: »

Naïve

Ah well, I may as well just give up then so. No point in even trying. May as well just live here unhappy for the rest of my life

Thanks for showing me the light and thanks for your massive contribution

MOR316 · 22-09-2020 11:57am

él statutorio wrote: »

You go ahead and try that and tell us how you get on....

Needlessly aggressive

hurleronditch · 22-09-2020 12:07pm

MOR316 wrote: »

Needlessly aggressive

The thread is realistic.

I was on a work sponsored visa for 4 years and we got grilled frequently, pulled for extra screening once or twice and our paperwork was squeaky clean.

I admire your optimism, but in the current climate the minute you pitch up for your second 90 days you will get interrogated beyond believe and I reckon it will be a struggle to get in. You say there’s a will there’s a way,and I admire that outlook but if the CBP officer in Dublin airport pre-clearance says no and sends you home you’ve lost the price of your flights and even trying to appeal to get in another time will be very very tough. Everything is scanned with biometrics so even flying to Canada and driving/flying across you will get the same answer.

If you are hell bent on doing it and want to stay longer than 3 months, knowing someone who could give you a cash job (you won’t even have a social security number from and old J1 I assume) and just overstaying your 90 days is the most likely plan, but I’m not advising it, it’s fraught with risk and you’ll spend the rest of your days looking over your shoulder, knowing you can never pop home if a relative is sick or want to see family.

hurleronditch · 22-09-2020 12:11pm

kravmaga wrote: »

2 years. After the 2 years is up you can apply again.

I'm sure all the questions are answered on the website anyways

https://esta.cbp.dhs.gov/faq

Was in NYC in late Feb early March, just got back before lockdown.

It was overpriced, customer service was sh1t, did not meet one genuine American, a lot of Hispanics and Latinos in service industry, hotel, bars.

Eneded up in an Irish bar near The Rockerfella centre for a bit of banter and craic.

If you’re hanging around midtown near the sights looking for bars no wonder you didn’t have a good experience.

East Village, west village, TriBeCa, Williamsburg, LES etc even turtle bay/Murray hill or Hell’s Kitchen are more natural spots for nightlife and a more real NYC experience is. Irish bars in midtown, particularly up around that area are just sad overpriced soulless boozers looking to catch tourists going to shows and Times Square and the Empire State with bad pints and crap food.

listermint · 22-09-2020 12:48pm

MOR316 wrote: »

They said, "It's the one place where everything you've learned in life makes sense to you"

What absolutely hokey is this......

MOR316 · 22-09-2020 1:01pm

listermint wrote: »

What absolutely hokey is this......

Well, he's been everywhere in the world.
But, go on...

Burst my bubble and tell me how **** it is, how wrong I am blah blah blah.

Miserable

El Tarangu · 22-09-2020 2:41pm

MOR316 wrote: »

Ah well, I may as well just give up then so. No point in even trying. May as well just live here unhappy for the rest of my life

Thanks for showing me the light and thanks for your massive contribution

No-one is telling you not to emigrate; just pointing out that there are dozens of other countries (Canada, Australia, New Zealand, any country in the EU) that you will find it far easier to emigrate to.

hurleronditch · 22-09-2020 3:04pm

MOR316 wrote: »

Well, he's been everywhere in the world.
But, go on...

Burst my bubble and tell me how **** it is, how wrong I am blah blah blah.

Miserable

“Everywhere in the world”

I’ve lived in New York, it’s an amazing city for good and bad reasons, but the complete **** like this that sometimes gets spouted about the place just wrecks my head. It’s just another city, a great one, a famous one, a manky dirty full of inequality one, but it’s just another one of hundreds at the end of the day.

amadangomor · 22-09-2020 3:20pm

Sorry if off topic. I'm out of the loop about immigration procedures nowadays so any advice appreciated.

I overstayed in 1999 by about 15 months. Went for a holiday after college and picked up a job and just stayed. Just didn't hand in my green slip when leaving.

If I wanted to go back for a holiday now is it worth being honest when going through the process or say nothing and hope for the best?

circular flexing · 22-09-2020 6:03pm

amadangomor wrote: »

Sorry if off topic. I'm out of the loop about immigration procedures nowadays so any advice appreciated.

I overstayed in 1999 by about 15 months. Went for a holiday after college and picked up a job and just stayed. Just didn't hand in my green slip when leaving.

If I wanted to go back for a holiday now is it worth being honest when going through the process or say nothing and hope for the best?

If you didn't hand in the green slip it's possible your exit was not properly recorded. You would need to find out if it was recorded properly as a first step.

If you overstayed then you can't use ESTA/VWP program, you need to apply for a B2 visa at the embassy to visit. You could try applying for ESTA but even if approved, there's no guarantee of being allowed entry.

MOR316 · 22-09-2020 6:09pm

hurleronditch wrote: »

“Everywhere in the world”

I’ve lived in New York, it’s an amazing city for good and bad reasons, but the complete **** like this that sometimes gets spouted about the place just wrecks my head. It’s just another city, a great one, a famous one, a manky dirty full of inequality one, but it’s just another one of hundreds at the end of the day.

Well, how about this...

Since I didn't say it and I'm only repeating what a friend told me, I'll PM you his number and you can give him a call and tell him how you feel. That sound good?

MOR316 · 22-09-2020 6:11pm

El Tarangu wrote: »

No-one is telling you not to emigrate; just pointing out that there are dozens of other countries (Canada, Australia, New Zealand, any country in the EU) that you will find it far easier to emigrate to.

Jesus Christ... I feel like I've said this in the vast majority of my posts

For the final time, I have no interest in going to any of those places!
This is what I've wanted since I was a kid! That's it!

If I wanted out just to go anywhere, do you really think I'd be wasting my time in this thread?

All I want is some help in getting to the place and advice on how to do it! I don't want posts like, "Ugh well it's easier to go to this country" and "You're naive" and "It's ****" because they're not exactly helpful!

If anyone has something useful to contribute, that I can use or you can help me with something, great!

I'm all ears and I'll be incredibly thankful and appreciative!
If all you're going to do is spout stuff to try turn me off, don't bother!

Living in New York?

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