Handwriting decipher thread must post link to full page

rhapsody · 05-04-2021 8:04pm

Thanks for that, yes that's what I thought but didn't want to pursue a guess without someone else's reading confirming it. I haven't come across that site before, so thanks also for the link.

Lizheen · 10-04-2021 3:13am

Hi all,

Stuck again: I was hoping someone could tell me where James Horan and Bridget Snee were living - I guess it could be Ballyhaunis, but I don't really think it is: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1887/10805/5940617.pdf

bb12 · 10-04-2021 3:38am

Lizheen wrote: »

Hi all,

Stuck again: I was hoping someone could tell me where James Horan and Bridget Snee were living - I guess it could be Ballyhaunis, but I don't really think it is: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1887/10805/5940617.pdf

ballaghaderreen mayo?

Lizheen · 11-04-2021 1:33am

bb12 wrote: »

ballaghaderreen mayo?

Thank you - that would probably make sense

Lizheen · 11-04-2021 1:47am

I don't want to wreck people's heads but I could do with help again please: the Christian name of Jane McCann's father in the second record down. Could be James, but not like his other James - after that my only guess is Morris. Any thoughts? thanks again.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1870/11375/8176655.pdf

Turns out I found him elsewhere - he is Manus

Jellybaby_1 · 11-04-2021 4:37pm

Lizheen wrote: »

I don't want to wreck people's heads but I could do with help again please: the Christian name of Jane McCann's father in the second record down. Could be James, but not like his other James - after that my only guess is Morris. Any thoughts? thanks again.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1870/11375/8176655.pdf

Turns out I found him elsewhere - he is Manus

You're ahead of me. Manus it is.

oceanclub · 13-04-2021 1:30pm

Hi all,

Looking to see if anyone can make out Mary's full name and all the full address? (Wife's maiden name is McDonald?)

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/31124c7771153

P.

stopthevoting · 13-04-2021 1:41pm

Mary Alice Farrell

Duke St
Athy

louis346789 · 17-04-2021 11:12pm

Townland or place in Co Armagh
Hi all
Any ideas on the location mentioned for farm of land in Co Armagh on attached will.

Louis

Hermy · 17-04-2021 11:54pm

Cornalagh? Maybe a misspelling of Cornalack.

spurious · 17-04-2021 11:58pm

Could be an old form of Cornalack.

chooseusername · 18-04-2021 8:53am

louis346789 wrote: »

Townland or place in Co Armagh
Hi all
Any ideas on the location mentioned for farm of land in Co Armagh on attached will.

Louis

Here you go;

https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/oneilland-west/drumcree/drumcree/cornalack/

Hermy · 18-04-2021 10:40am

chooseusername wrote: »

Here you go;

https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/oneilland-west/drumcree/drumcree/cornalack/

Hermy wrote: »

Cornalagh? Maybe a misspelling of Cornalack.

SNAP!!

louis346789 · 18-04-2021 10:45am

Thanks everyone for the help.

chooseusername · 18-04-2021 7:51pm

Hermy wrote: »

SNAP!!

Oops,
missed that link Hermy.
A very useful website that.

Griffinx · 20-04-2021 12:16pm

Hi

Can anyone decipher Thomas Humphries workhouse record at the very bottom from Find my past especially the information on the right hand page

spurious · 20-04-2021 12:32pm

Admitted Jan 11th 1913
Humphries Thomas
5 Leinster Terrace Harolds Cross
Male
77
Widower
No employment
RC
Telephone message from Mr Guinan(?)
old age pensioner
Master(?)

Deja Boo · 27-04-2021 7:29pm

Hi Decipher Experts, I was wondering if anyone could help with possible variations of the maiden name of Eliza's mother, Maryanne Byrnes from birth record #116?
I have tried researching a few spellings, without any luck.

Full page pdf Here (hope the link works)

Pistachio19 · 27-04-2021 7:42pm

Deja Boo wrote: »

Hi Decipher Experts, I was wondering if anyone could help with possible variations of the maiden name of Eliza's mother, Maryanne Byrnes from birth record #116?
I have tried researching a few spellings, without any luck.

Full page pdf Here (hope the link works)

Possibly Gahagan. It's a variant of Geoghan.

https://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Gahagan

My first thought was Galvagan but could only find Gavagan and coincidentally that surname originated in my home town in Mayo - I've never heard it there though

Hermy · 27-04-2021 7:46pm

Agree with Pistachio - it certainly looks like Gahagan.

Deja Boo · 27-04-2021 7:59pm

Thanks so much, both of you! I did not see nor try that - appreciate it!

spurious · 30-04-2021 9:49am

I know this is a long shot as the copy of the image is not great.

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633465#page/7/mode/1up

Looking for what it says in the notes on marriage no. 68 (Donohoe/Keane).
I can make out 'Marlboro St' but anything else I'm really just guessing.

30-04-2021 11:47am

That's a difficult one alright. Is there a latin help thread?

spurious · 30-04-2021 12:12pm

I can translate individual words but they make no sense. From what I know of the couple, it wasn't any sort of a 'hasty' wedding as their first child wasn't born until 1879.

My wild (completely unsubstantiated) guess is that perhaps she was of the Marlboro St parish, but marrying in Nth. William Street (which is just over the way anyway).

Mick Tator · 30-04-2021 12:53pm

spurious wrote: »

I can translate individual words but they make no sense. From what I know of the couple, it wasn't any sort of a 'hasty' wedding as their first child wasn't born until 1879.

My wild (completely unsubstantiated) guess is that perhaps she was of the Marlboro St parish, but marrying in Nth. William Street (which is just over the way anyway).

I think you have it. First word is 'spousa' (wife) ...in the second line I read 'habitas' and 'proclamationes factus in Marlboro St' (living....banns made in Marlboro St.)
So it's the priest covering himself, acknowledging that she was from outside his parish but that the banns were read in Marlboro st.

The last words are +/- illegible.

Hermy · 09-05-2021 9:17am

Seven lines up from the bottom of the left hand page - any thoughts on the child's first name.
Parents are Michael Brennan and Mary Guinan.

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632949#page/29/mode/1up

Griffinx · 09-05-2021 1:07pm

Hermy wrote: »

Seven lines up from the bottom of the left hand page - any thoughts on the child's first name.
Parents are Michael Brennan and Mary Guinan.

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632949#page/29/mode/1up

It could be Aidanus, its male anyway but there doesn't seem to be any record of a male born to Michael Brennan and Mary Guinan in any of the usual places for 1875. Perhaps he didn't live long

Hermy · 09-05-2021 4:58pm

Spot on Griffinx - that concurs with my own reading of it.

And yes, I believe he didn't survive long - hence the absence of a civil birth or death record.

campo · 13-05-2021 10:19am

Trying to figure out if a mothers name was added here, it is from Irish catholic parish registers in 1844.

I can see father name was Patrick Lillis and looks like he had a sister called Mary Lillis but the rest I cannot make out, if anyone can help

https://imgur.com/a/b26agSu

Griffinx · 13-05-2021 11:38am

campo wrote: »

Trying to figure out if a mothers name was added here, it is from Irish catholic parish registers in 1844.

I can see father name was Patrick Lillis and looks like he had a sister called Mary Lillis but the rest I cannot make out, if anyone can help

https://imgur.com/a/b26agSu

I think the mother is Anne Mahony but would need to see the full doc to determine what type of document we are looking at.

campo · 13-05-2021 12:06pm

Griffinx wrote: »

I think the mother is Anne Mahony but would need to see the full doc to determine what type of document we are looking at.

Thank you, turns out I was a bit foolish and did not realise on ancestry I can clikc on detail and it gives the following

Name
Patrick Lillis
Gender
Male
Event Type Marriage
Marriage Date
Jan 1844
Marriage Place
Ireland, St Senan's, Ireland
Diocese Killaloe
Father Patrick Lillis
Spouse Anne Mahony

So you were right about Anne Mahoney but it was his wife not mother, looks to be a marriage cert

pinkypinky · 13-05-2021 1:01pm

Patrick Lillis son of Patrick Lillis [can't read this word but suspect place name]
Anne Mahony & Thomas Lillis [can't read this word - place name?]

was at the priest's house in the presence of Thomas Lillis of [same place name as above], Patrick Lillis, father, Mary Lillis, his sister.

I read that as Mary Lillis being the father's sister.

Anne Mahony & Thomas Lillis are in the place you'd usually see godparents.

Hermy · 13-05-2021 5:16pm

campo wrote: »

Trying to figure out if a mothers name was added here, it is from Irish catholic parish registers in 1844.

I can see father name was Patrick Lillis and looks like he had a sister called Mary Lillis but the rest I cannot make out, if anyone can help

https://imgur.com/a/b26agSu

For best results you need to include a link to the source with your query.

13-05-2021 6:35pm

One of the place names is Knockerra, a townland, the other I can't fathom.

chooseusername · 13-05-2021 11:45pm

Deleted User wrote: »

One of the place names is Knockerra, a townland, the other I can't fathom.

Could it be Tonavoher here:tonavoher.jpg
Knockerry just to the North?

Hermy · 18-05-2021 7:34pm

I'm interested in the marriage of Thomas Pelly and Catherine Donohoe on Jul 31st 1858 eight lines up from the bottom of the left hand page.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632932#page/85/mode/1up

I'm wondering about the place name that appears after the date for this and several other entries on the same page.

Is it the location the marriage took place?

chooseusername · 19-05-2021 7:41am

pelly.jpg

Married in Cappataggle parish church.
Other event, place ; Bally...? is usually place of residence .
Can't find that townland
but in 1869 had a daughter Catherine
2nd entry right hand page
registered in Kiltomer so I'd guess Bally...?
is a townland around there.

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632949#page/17/mode/1up

Deja Boo · 19-05-2021 8:56am

Ballimabillagh ?

chooseusername · 19-05-2021 9:09am

Deja Boo wrote: »

Ballimabillagh ?

By golly I think you have it.
Spelt "Ballymabilla" in Townlands.ie;
https://www.townlands.ie/galway/kilconnell/killallaghtan/killallaghtan/ballymabilla/

Hermy · 19-05-2021 4:18pm

It doesn't look like Ballymabilla to me but that's beside the point.

The way it's written in the register it implies that the marriage took place at that location rather then it being, say, the address of the couple.

chooseusername · 19-05-2021 4:44pm

Hermy wrote: »

It doesn't look like Ballymabilla to me but that's beside the point.

The way it's written in the register it implies that the marriage took place at that location rather then it being, say, the address of the couple.

You're right , it doesn't look like Ballymabilla .
But could well be Ballymabillagh;Google spelling

right next to Cappataggle .
Church could well have been called Ballymabillagh.
cappataggle.jpg

MunsterM · 19-05-2021 7:14pm

Hello,
trying to work out what is written above 'Richard' in the second entry on 16 November.
Also, The father's name is Thomas Jones - there is something written after his name. I think I know what it is ,but would like to see if other people see the same.

Finally, can anyone read the place name in the 5th column ?

Thanks

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634038#page/8/mode/1up

Jellybaby_1 · 19-05-2021 7:29pm

chooseusername wrote: »

You're right , it doesn't look like Ballymabilla .
But could well be Ballymabillagh;Google spelling

right next to Cappataggle .
Church could well have been called Ballymabillagh.
cappataggle.jpg

To be honest, all I saw was Ballymoney but didn't think it was right.

stopthevoting · 19-05-2021 7:44pm

MunsterM wrote: »

Hello,
trying to work out what is written above 'Richard' in the second entry on 16 November.
Also, The father's name is Thomas Jones - there is something written after his name. I think I know what it is ,but would like to see if other people see the same.

Finally, can anyone read the place name in the 5th column ?

Thanks

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634038#page/8/mode/1up

I think the words above 'Richard' are 'Sub Cond' for 'Sub Conditione' meaning 'Under Condition", in case that the child may have been already baptised by someone else in an emergency if they were ill, meaning that the priest is baptising them now IF they are not already baptised.

stopthevoting · 19-05-2021 7:55pm

The place name in the 5th column is difficult to read but I think it may be Coolroe.

KildareFan · 19-05-2021 8:02pm

The word beside Thomas Jones looks like 'protestant' - maybe this was the reason for the conditional baptism? Also I agree that the placename looks like Coolroe - townland north of Kilmuckridge, Co Wexford.

chooseusername · 20-05-2021 9:15am

Hermy wrote: »

It doesn't look like Ballymabilla to me but that's beside the point.

The way it's written in the register it implies that the marriage took place at that location rather then it being, say, the address of the couple.

All the marriages in that register are from the parish church at Cappataggle.
There would be no need to include it in each entry.
The aA abbreviation after the date is probably the recorders way of saying 'abiding at'
or something
The last entry on your page is Cappatangle ,probably the townland
Next one up is Peak a townland , then Cahernagarry, then Ballymabillagh,
there's also Drought and Killagh beg further up , all townlands local to Cappataggle Parish church.

Hermy · 20-05-2021 10:34am

chooseusername wrote: »

The aA abbreviation after the date is probably the recorders way of saying 'abiding at'
or something.

That explains it!

Thanks for persevering with me.

MunsterM · 20-05-2021 2:22pm

stopthevoting wrote: »

The place name in the 5th column is difficult to read but I think it may be Coolroe.

Thank you. I think you're right as there's a Coolroe in south Wicklow which is where these people were.

MunsterM · 20-05-2021 2:27pm

KildareFan wrote: »

The word beside Thomas Jones looks like 'protestant' - maybe this was the reason for the conditional baptism? Also I agree that the placename looks like Coolroe - townland north of Kilmuckridge, Co Wexford.

Yes, I see 'protestant' too. Thanks.

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