How bad is Mountjoy?

Jane_Dough · 10-02-2019 3:10pm

italodisco wrote: »

Oh, and during my time there sexual assault was not something going on, though it was well known a lot of lads 'looked after' each other of you get my drift

These lads must be bi sexual or gay yes?

10-02-2019 3:12pm

Jane_Dough wrote: »

These lads must be bi sexual or gay yes?

Amy port in a storm, I'd say

Dakotabigone · 10-02-2019 3:13pm

Jane_Dough wrote: »

These lads must be bi sexual or gay yes?

Any port in a storm if you are in that situation.

Jane_Dough · 10-02-2019 3:16pm

I don't know what Amy Port in a storm means but assuming it means any hole is a goal.

Surely, no matter how desperate, a straight man would not engage in sexual activity with another man?

Fiftyfilthy · 10-02-2019 3:17pm

Heard rumors of a couple of friends i know in and out the joy years ago would turn gay inside then back to normal on the outside

Back then aids were rife too and sharing needles

Seems to have declined in the past 15 years or more

10-02-2019 3:19pm

Dakotabigone wrote: »

Any port in a storm if you are in that situation.

The wit has arrived. Oscar Wilde wouldn't get a look in, nor his parrot.

kneemos · 10-02-2019 3:21pm

Don't think sexuality is as well defined as we'd like to think.

10-02-2019 3:32pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The wit has arrived. Oscar Wilde wouldn't get a look in, nor his parrot.

Give us a break, it's Sunday, even our Lord took it easy on this day.

10-02-2019 3:35pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Give us a break, it's Sunday, even our Lord took it easy on this day.

The point just sailed over your head.

Robert Wolfe · 10-02-2019 3:48pm

italodisco wrote: »

4 Yr sentence, out after 1.

Had a degree, good job etc etc. Someone did something unforgivable to someone very close to me and I had to take action. I'm not a bad guy, if I told the full story the majority of decent folk would not be surprised at why I did

Liam Neeson?

Jokes aside, if someone harmed a loved one of mine I'd have no problem inflicting violence on them.

Sleeper12 · 10-02-2019 4:05pm

italodisco wrote:

4 Yr sentence, out after 1.

4 years with 25%off for good behaviour =3 years.

How did you get out after 1 year? Was some of the 4 years suspended by the judge?

10-02-2019 4:06pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

4 years with 25%off for good behaviour =3 years.

How did you get out after 1 year? Was some of the 4 years suspended by the judge?

Open to correction here, but I think time spent in prison becomes a decision for the Governer once a person is committed to his prison.

That's definitely the situation in England and Wales, someone might correct me if it's different here.

Source: was friends with a guy who was released very early from an English prison because of overpopulation, and his crime was a white-collar one, so he wasn't deemed a threat by the Governor of that prison.

Sleeper12 · 10-02-2019 4:13pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote:

Open to correction here, but I think time spent in prison becomes a decision for the Governer once a person is committed to his prison.

Nothing to do with the governor in Ireland. The head guy in the department of justice, I think the last one was Brian Purcell but could have the name wrong , makes these decisions but there are strict guidelines.

If sentenced to four years you'd expect to serve three years. Drug dealers do it to the day & there is leeway for other crimes but I've never heard of someone only serving 25%of their sentence before. Especially for a violent crime as implied by the poster

10-02-2019 4:19pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Nothing to do with the governor in Ireland. The head guy in the department of justice, I think the last one was Brian Purcell but could have the name wrong , makes these decisions but there are strict guidelines.

If sentenced to four years you'd expect to serve three years. Drug dealers do it to the day & there is leeway for other crimes but I've never heard of someone only serving 25%of their sentence before. Especially for a violent crime as implied by the poster

yeah, I suspected that might be the case alright, as the guy I was friends with (he is also Irish) told me he was glad to be sentenced to an English prison, as they apparently have stricter rules about capacity, and the likes of him were likely to be released early.

Sleeper12 · 10-02-2019 4:29pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote:

yeah, I suspected that might be the case alright, as the guy I was friends with (he is also Irish) told me he was glad to be sentenced to an English prison, as they apparently have stricter rules about capacity, and the likes of him were likely to be released early.

They get a third remission in the UK compared to our quarter remission. Plus as you say they can reduce this further in the UK.

I think another poster is winding you up about guys "looking after" each others needs. That doesn't typically go on in Irish jails. I'm sure Omackeral would say that the amount caught doing this can be counted on one hand.

Omackeral · 10-02-2019 4:37pm

The prison love thing is more a symptom of US Prison culture IMO and maybe other jurisdictions like South Africa. Jail over there is so different to here. They have specific prison gangs divided along racial and religious lines, for example. It's a different world.

I've heard of maybe a handful of sexual assault claims but usually these are made by people who would also have scores of other complaints in against the system too. Take from that what you will. I've heard rumours of one or two things over the years but it's in no way a major part of the institution I would say. As far as consensual stuff or sexual affairs, can't say I've ever been privy to any if I'm being completely honest.

Mark25 · 10-02-2019 4:40pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

4 years with 25%off for good behaviour =3 years.

How did you get out after 1 year? Was some of the 4 years suspended by the judge?

Reckon it must have been part suspended too.

I got 2 years and did just under 18 months so that was 75%. I know some people can apply and get enhanced remission which is at 66% of the original sentence in some cases but I didnt get that.

There is also a thing called Community Return where yo get oyt earlier but have to do community service type stuff like 3 days a week but doubt that would happen after just 25% of the sentence/

dar100 · 10-02-2019 4:48pm

Mark25 wrote: »

Heard rumours about that alright but didnt see anything like that happen when i was there.

Food was alright. For breakfast we just had cereals (not porridge). On Christmas Day actually got a fry up but obv that's just one day a year.

Main meal was dinner at around 12 something like curry. fish and chips, chicken, mince or whatever. I think it was on a 2 week cycle or something. There was only one meal option each day(there were some special meals) so you couldnt be too fussy.

And then there was tea which was maybe like a burger, chicken nuggets, chicken salad, gammon steak and y=we had that by 5pm.

Getting to work in the kitchens is a top job in prison as you are there for most of the day and kept busy so I was lucky to get that the 2nd time I was there.

You got your food and had to bring it back to your cell to eat it while locked up. No big dining hall like in the movies.

You can also buy food from the tuck shop with your own money - tuna, noodles, sweets, chocolates to keep you going at night.

Where did the women go before 1998 do you know? Were they in the main prison on their own wing or somewhere else?

The women were on old D wing of saint Pats, those of us on C wing use to be on the window all night talking to them, some craic..... flower pots

Sleeper12 · 10-02-2019 4:48pm

Mark25 wrote:

There is also a thing called Community Return where yo get oyt earlier but have to do community service type stuff like 3 days a week but doubt that would happen after just 25% of the sentence/

Especially a violent crime. Can't see you getting much more than 25% off for that.

padd b1975 · 10-02-2019 4:56pm

Jane_Dough wrote: »

A friend of mine was in Mountjoy at the same time as Sean Quinn. He said they all used to play cards with Sean Quinn and they all had a great laugh with him.

When he speaks about his time there (2 years) the only negative thing he says is that he missed his family and friends. The ironic part is, his accommodation now is far worse than his accommodation in Mountjoy he said. I'd imagine if he went back in it wouldn't be a big deal to him. Very sad.

Cavan?

Mark25 · 10-02-2019 5:01pm

dar100 wrote: »

The women were on old D wing of saint Pats, those of us on C wing use to be on the window all night talking to them, some craic..... flower pots

Sounds mental! Was it like my mate fancies your mate ..

Happy days?

dar100 · 10-02-2019 5:04pm

Mark25 wrote: »

Sounds mental! Was it like my mate fancies your mate .. Happy days?

Haha was good craic. Our yards were also separated by a steel grill we could talk through, use to get visits across to each other as well and we couldn't wear our own clothes so the girls use to throw us over tshirts etc.

dar100 · 10-02-2019 5:04pm

Mark25 wrote: »

Sounds mental! Was it like my mate fancies your mate .. Happy days?

Haha was good craic. Our yards were also separated by a steel grill we could talk through, use to get visits across to each other as well and we couldn't wear our own clothes so the girls use to throw us over tshirts etc.

Edit: just had a flash back, we all had these square mirrors we use to stick out the window to get a look at each other

Flyingsnowball · 10-02-2019 5:32pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Especially a violent crime. Can't see you getting much more than 25% off for that.

And after having two fights in there. One where two lads got the chuck Norris treatment.

Governer probably thought it safer for everyone to let him out before he just decided to leave.

Does anyone know where the addicts get money everyday to feed a habit. Outside they can rob or beg for it. Is their mammy buying them gear?

The talking to girls on d wing is a bit sad. There’s a girl in making my dinner at the moment I didn’t have to get locked up to talk to one.

dar100 · 10-02-2019 5:40pm

Flyingsnowball wrote: »

And after having two fights in there. One where two lads got the chuck Norris treatment.

Governer probably thought it safer for everyone to let him out before he just decided to leave.

Does anyone know where the addicts get money everyday to feed a habit. Outside they can rob or beg for it. Is their mammy buying them gear?

The talking to girls on d wing is a bit sad. There’s a girl in making my dinner at the moment I didn’t have to get locked up to talk to one.

You may think it a bit said, and thats ok. However a bunch of 16 year olds serving a number of years in custody while progressing through one of the most developmentally difficult times in their lives would disagree. Nor is that the reason why they were incarcerated in the first place.... I wonder if your keyboard warrior judgement would extend to actually saying this to one of these individuals?

There's many ways people support their substance use whilst in prison and I've many stories , some absolutely hilarious, some horrendous.

McCrack · 10-02-2019 5:45pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Nothing to do with the governor in Ireland. The head guy in the department of justice, I think the last one was Brian Purcell but could have the name wrong , makes these decisions but there are strict guidelines.

If sentenced to four years you'd expect to serve three years. Drug dealers do it to the day & there is leeway for other crimes but I've never heard of someone only serving 25%of their sentence before. Especially for a violent crime as implied by the poster

CRS at half way

Sleeper12 · 10-02-2019 5:46pm

Flyingsnowball wrote:

And after having two fights in there. One where two lads got the chuck Norris treatment.

I don't believe any of that is true. Someone has been watching too much prison break I think.

Flyingsnowball wrote:

Does anyone know where the addicts get money everyday to feed a habit. Outside they can rob or beg for it. Is their mammy buying them gear?

Family & friends provide the money. Some drug dealers send in small amounts hash for free. These owe favours to the drug dealer either in prison or when they get out. A drug dealer might offer to send in a few hundred euros worth of gear for anyone who cuts up a particular inmate.

Flyingsnowball · 10-02-2019 5:49pm

dar100 wrote: »

You may think it a bit said, and thats ok. However a bunch of 16 year olds serving a number of years in custody while progressing through one of the most developmentally difficult times in their lives would disagree. Nor is that the reason why they were incarcerated in the first place.... I wonder if your keyboard warrior judgement would extend to actually saying this to one of these individuals?

There's many ways people support their substance use whilst in prison and I've many stories , some absolutely hilarious, some horrendous.

Ah there’s nothing keyboard warrior about it. I have a few friends who have been to jail I don’t think they’d take offense if they were reminiscing about being able to talk to a girl through a wire fence and I said it sounds abit sad.

I’m not preaching or anything like that. I’d say 90 per cent of people in jail just got a worse start in life than I was given.

I find they just stop talking about jail anytime they feel like you are asking too many questions about it. I don’t know anyone who would admit to being an addict in there so can’t ask them where they got their money to keep the party going in jail. Few lads told me they drank in there and hooch is just made thereand shared. I made it once using one of their recipes. It was rank.

Sleeper12 · 10-02-2019 5:53pm

McCrack wrote:

CRS at half way

Half way is 18 months not a year.

Also in prison for a violent crime & being in two fights in the first year while in prison will add time to your sentence not make it shorter.

Turtyturd · 10-02-2019 5:54pm

McCrack wrote: »

CRS at half way

Very specific criteria need to be met for that. Your average scumbag isn’t getting out on it.

tuxy · 10-02-2019 5:58pm

Flyingsnowball wrote: »

Does anyone know where the addicts get money everyday to feed a habit. Outside they can rob or beg for it. Is their mammy buying them gear?

I would guess that for the most part drug debts are paid on the outside. A prisoners family know what will happen to the addict relative who is locked up if they don't pay.
Most violent inside would be from these drug debts not being paid.
Smuggling in some drugs during a visit might be an option for a family that can't afford to pay.

Flyingsnowball · 10-02-2019 5:59pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Half way is 18 months not a year.

Also in prison for a violent crime & being in two fights in the first year while in prison will add time to your sentence not make it shorter.

Can I ask how you know so much about the prison service. I’ve noticed from the forum you are a plumber specializing in electric showers. With a depth of electric shower knowledge I may add.

not yet · 10-02-2019 5:59pm

macnug wrote: »

Depends on the prison itself, Mountjoy is probably the worst in ireland. US are one of the worst in western world imo, Californian prisons are the worst for white inmates, East Coast not as bad. South American prisons are way worse though, don't even get a bed in most just a rat infested floor.

Jaysus, you've done some hard time..:eek:

Flyingsnowball · 10-02-2019 6:02pm

not yet wrote: »

Jaysus, you've done some hard time..:eek:

He kept his head down. I hear you only need to have two fights a year provided you help the other prisoners out and don’t try act the hard man.

dar100 · 10-02-2019 6:04pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Half way is 18 months not a year.

Also in prison for a violent crime & being in two fights in the first year while in prison will add time to your sentence not make it shorter.

Not necessarily, you don't always lose remission for getting into a fight. Often you will just lose recreation time, visits, phone calls, tuck shop etc. Even if you do lose remission, that is not the same as adding extra onto your sentence as technically you have to earn it to start with

Sleeper12 · 10-02-2019 6:17pm

Flyingsnowball wrote:

Can I ask how you know so much about the prison service. Iâ€™ve noticed from the forum you are a plumber specializing in electric showers. With a depth of electric shower knowledge I may add.

There's more than one side to a coin. I have owned hairdressers and barber shops, owned a security company, promotions business, stretch limo hire business & I'm a landlord of commercial & residential property amongst many, many other things.

dar100 wrote:

Not necessarily, you don't always lose remission for getting into a fight. Often you will just lose recreation time, visits, phone calls, tuck shop etc. Even if you do lose remission, that is not the same as adding extra onto your sentence as technically you have to earn it to start with

The poster implied that he got 4 years for a violent crime. He stated that he was in two fights in prison and got out after one year. This is impossible. If he ratted out a dealer with half a million euros worth of drugs he wouldn't get out after one year. Same poster suggested that mutual relief is common place in prison when it's almost unheard of.

You are correct that time isn't added on as only the courts can do this. You can lose a few weeks remission from fights. Granted this is usually given back to you if you behave but my real point is that no one getting 4 years gets out after 1 year especially when in two fights in prison.

Someone's watching too much American TV imo

dar100 · 10-02-2019 6:21pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

There's more than one side to a coin. I have owned hairdressers and barber shops, owned a security company, promotions business, stretch limo hire business & I'm a landlord of commercial & residential property amongst many, many other things.

The poster implied that he got 4 years for a violent crime. He stated that he was in two fights in prison and got out after one year. This is impossible. If he ratted out a dealer with half a million euros worth of drugs he wouldn't get out after one year. Same poster suggested that mutual relief is common place in prison when it's almost unheard of.

You are correct that time isn't added on as only the courts can do this. You can lose a few weeks remission from fights. Granted this is usually given back to you if you behave but my real point is that no one getting 4 years gets out after 1 year especially when in two fights in prison.

Someone's watching too much American TV imo

Lol

I missed the context of your reply. You were of course correct

James Bond Junior · 10-02-2019 6:57pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

There's more than one side to a coin. I have owned hairdressers and barber shops, owned a security company, promotions business, stretch limo hire business & I'm a landlord of commercial & residential property amongst many, many other things.

Alright Gerry, how is life on the run!?

Sleeper12 · 10-02-2019 7:06pm

James Bond Junior wrote:

Alright Gerry, how is life on the run!?

The border fox hasn't a patch on me

McCrack · 10-02-2019 7:24pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Half way is 18 months not a year.

Also in prison for a violent crime & being in two fights in the first year while in prison will add time to your sentence not make it shorter.

At 1\4 remission

But yea unless there was some suspended element of the 4 years he is talking out his arse

Muahahaha · 10-02-2019 8:08pm

Back in 2012 the Minister for Justice Alan Shatter released 1,200 prisoners with the stroke of a pen. Reason given was to reduce over capacity. So I could well believe that some prisoners don't even serve half their time when the prisons are full beyond capacity, they have to find a way to make space for new prisoners and the only way to do that is to release others early without them serving their full sentence minus the remission.

tuxy · 10-02-2019 8:21pm

Here's a relevant story from today and a look at what is considered a top of the rage phone in prison.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/brian-rattigan-suffers-massive-blow-13977652

Fiftyfilthy · 10-02-2019 8:21pm

I well believe him too, don’t think he is talking **** either

mikemac2 · 10-02-2019 8:23pm

Paul Kimmage has a book on this

If a prisoner in Dublin is causing trouble like striking an officer they bundle him into a van and down the motorway for a short stay in Cork. As the newbie and outsider the Dublin prisoner may get a beating or hard time form the Corkonians

Cork troublemakers get sent to Dublin for the same treatment

No idea if it’s true or not. Was in a book is ‘all

Sleeper12 · 10-02-2019 8:25pm

Muahahaha wrote:

Back in 2012 the Minister for Justice Alan Shatter released 1,200 prisoners with the stroke of a pen. Reason given was to reduce over capacity. So I could well believe that some prisoners don't even serve half their time when the prisons are full beyond capacity, they have to find a way to make space for new prisoners and the only way to do that is to release others early without them serving their full sentence minus the remission.

The ones released were all close to the end of their sentence or in for pety crime. None of them were in for violent crimes. Many came from open prisons. None of them continued to be violent while in prison. Prisoners in for violent crime don't get out that easy. If Alan Shatter released someone one year into a four year sentence for a violent crime & they hurt or killed someone while out early then the government can be sued.

Turtyturd · 10-02-2019 8:27pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Back in 2012 the Minister for Justice Alan Shatter released 1,200 prisoners with the stroke of a pen. Reason given was to reduce over capacity. So I could well believe that some prisoners don't even serve half their time when the prisons are full beyond capacity, they have to find a way to make space for new prisoners and the only way to do that is to release others early without them serving their full sentence minus the remission.

Some with very short sentences do, but are still on TR. Nobody with a four year sentence, especially for a violent offence is getting this. Prisoners who have to be released due to overcrowding come from a shortlist drawn up by Governor’s Chief’s, ISM Officers and external agencies.

dar100 · 10-02-2019 8:29pm

mikemac2 wrote: »

Paul Kimmage has a book on this

If a prisoner in Dublin is causing trouble like striking an officer they bundle him into a van and down the motorway for a short stay in Cork. As the newbie and outsider the Dublin prisoner may get a beating or hard time form the Corkonians

Cork troublemakers get sent to Dublin for the same treatment

No idea if it’s true or not. Was in a book is ‘all

Its part true, years ago there was something in it, especially for younger crowd coming from pats to spike island. Cork is more like the Joy, i was sent to cork from paths myself when fairly young and it was grand. Such is the nature of gangs that none of this type of fighting based on where you are from happens anymore

Muahahaha · 10-02-2019 8:58pm

Its pretty amazing that the mobile phone signal in prisons isn't jammed. The technology is there to do so, is there a good reason why they haven't?

tuxy · 10-02-2019 9:00pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Its pretty amazing that the mobile phone signal in prisons isn't jammed. The technology is there to do so, is there a good reason why they haven't?

You can't just use jamming equipment and keep it to within the walls of the prison. Some surrounding buildings and areas would have signal blocked also.

Omackeral · 10-02-2019 10:32pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Its pretty amazing that the mobile phone signal in prisons isn't jammed. The technology is there to do so, is there a good reason why they haven't?

Mountjoy Prison is beside the Mater Hospital and Mountjoy Garda Station. In the case of the cop shop, they even share a couple of office buildings. Also, there's plenty of residential dwellings within a literal stone's throw.

How bad is Mountjoy?

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