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Clay Farm, Leopardstown, Dublin 18

  • 12-01-2017 11:18pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭


    Might be a good South Dublin developement secret in the shadow of the huge Cherrywood plans, but I just wanted to see if anyone has heard of Clay Farm in Leopardstown Dublin 18. It's the area south of the Ballyogan road (they call it off Kilgobbin Road), serviced by 2 Luas stops and is being built by Park Developments.

    https://goo.gl/maps/dGwniD4CUTP2

    Major action has started in the last few weeks on the site. Original planning was granted before the boom and I think the current plan is for a mini-village of about 500 units. I'm finding a mix-mash of filings and news articles, but nothing to give an indication of completion dates of phase 1 etc. We were originally looking in the Gallops area but might hold out for this development if they can produce finished units within a year. Any idea how long it would take to produce units from scratch on a site?

    http://www.parkdevelopments.ie/property/clay-farm--kilgobbin-road--dublin-18


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  • Registered Users Posts: 49 Eddie2008


    There are further details if you search the planning section of the dlr website.

    This is going to be a big development with phase 2 reaching to Kilgobbin wood. A new distributor road will provide access to Cruagh Wood and Stepaside Park too, connecting this end of Stepaside to Leopardstown. There will be a wildlife park too, as this is where part of the Pale Ditch is located.

    I would imagine they will want complete this first phase asap and 12 - 18 months would be safe bet. Although, the Gallops are good houses too.. The area in general is really going to see real change with this development.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,783 ✭✭✭heebusjeebus


    The road new through road from Stepaside Park to Leopardstown is much needed.
    Kilgobbin Road is a pain during rush hour.


  • Registered Users Posts: 223 ✭✭syndrome777


    any info on when the prices or plans would be available


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,158 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    I'm right at the back of Kilgobbin Wood, there's currently a road to nowhere right next to my bedroom window that I presume will connect up to this when it's finished. I'd be interested to see exactly what they're building and the prices though, I'll be looking to move to a bigger place in a few years and the area suits me fine as long as the price is right.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,663 ✭✭✭JoeyJJ


    Live in the Gallops, my only concern is secondary schools, D18 badly needs some more schools.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭BBMcQ


    They put up a big board on the Ballyogan road "3 and 4 bed houses and apartments - coming 2017". Seems a bit optimistic to be handing over keys to people in the next 11 months when the site it a pile of dirt?


  • Registered Users Posts: 223 ✭✭syndrome777


    probbably no hope in 2 bed apt being under €300K , looking at all their other developments?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1 Carpenter 1


    I am a carpenter on this job and we start erecting timber frame houses there in early march. They'll erect on average 3 houses a week thereafter for 20 weeks. They move very quickly.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4 Shell_17


    Hi all, has anybody heard anything in relation to this development recently? Haven't had much luck with contacting developer. Keen to find out how many houses are due to be released in Phase 1 and maybe an idea of launch dates.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭zom


    Some recent pictures from the site:

    Clay_Farm_Ballyogan_003.jpg

    Clay_Farm_Ballyogan_002.jpg


    Clay_Farm_Ballyogan_004.jpg

    Clay_Farm_Ballyogan_005.jpg

    Clay_Farm_Ballyogan_006.jpg

    Clay_Farm_Ballyogan_008.jpg


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 231 ✭✭MaudL


    It's going up very fast!

    Any idea of the prices yet? Or is it too early to get information?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 92 ✭✭emmacxxx


    My guess would be starting at around the €400k mark - Bishops Gate had a pre-launch the other day and that's what their 3 beds were starting at. The 11 houses they released were snapped up within 15 mins so I reckon the demand for this will be pretty crazy unfortunately!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭zom


    emmacxxx wrote: »
    My guess would be starting at around the €400k mark - Bishops Gate had a pre-launch the other day and that's what their 3 beds were starting at. The 11 houses they released were snapped up within 15 mins so I reckon the demand for this will be pretty crazy unfortunately!

    May I ask you where you get info from ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 92 ✭✭emmacxxx


    zom wrote: »
    May I ask you where you get info from ?

    Yep - I got the email from the estate agent for Bishops Gate during the week with the below prices;

    3 BED HOUSES
    HOUSE NO. TYPE SIZE SQ.M PRICE
    11 &12 Type B3 – 3 Bed Semi Detached 106 €405,000
    13 & 14 Type B3 – 3 Bed Semi Detached 106 €410,000
    23 & 26 Type B1 – 3 Bed Mid Terrace 111 €399,500
    22, 24, 25 Type B- 3 Bed End Terrace 113 €417,500
    27 Type B2 – 3 Bed End Terrace 115 €422,500
    4 BED HOUSE
    HOUSE NO. TYPE SIZE SQ.M PRICE
    15 Type A – 4 Bed Semi Detached 134 €540,000
    Booking Deposit:
    €7,500 payable to Kelly Walsh by cheque, bank draft or bank transfer, subject to
    contract. A 10% deposit of the outstanding balance is required strictly within 3
    weeks on signing of unconditional contracts. Balance on completion


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 651 ✭✭✭Nika Bolokov


    Given these are directly across from a Luas stop and a shopping centre along with a primary school a few mins walk away I'd say they will go for a lot more than Bishops gate.

    One bed apartments in another park development across the road are 230 so under 4 for a house is very optimistic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 92 ✭✭emmacxxx


    Yes but it's also on the Ballyogan road which lets face it is quite the turn off!


  • Registered Users Posts: 223 ✭✭syndrome777


    does anyone know are there any plans of connecting Clay Farm or any surrounding estates on to Ballyogan road, to get easier access to luas??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 952 ✭✭✭hytrogen


    does anyone know are there any plans of connecting Clay Farm or any surrounding estates on to Ballyogan road, to get easier access to luas??
    The 44 bus is a quite regular service running into town via Dundrum and Ranelagh from Stepaside. It might be more convenient than to get the Luas as that can be like the Tokyo express in the mornings.


  • Registered Users Posts: 223 ✭✭syndrome777


    hytrogen wrote: »
    The 44 bus is a quite regular service running into town via Dundrum and Ranelagh from Stepaside. It might be more convenient than to get the Luas as that can be like the Tokyo express in the mornings.

    thank you for suggesting this, the thing is I work in Sandyford and it appears car would be the best option here, as all these estates are separated by walls and fences and there is no easy way of navigating on foot(bike) and no shortcuts :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,342 ✭✭✭markpb


    does anyone know are there any plans of connecting Clay Farm or any surrounding estates on to Ballyogan road, to get easier access to luas??

    I presume Clay Farm will open onto Ballyogan road. Also:
    Located in Stepaside in close proximity to the Luas, the delivery of the Clay Farm Loop Distributor Road located off Ballyogan rd, Stepaside will support further residential development in the area. The route of the loop distributor road will run through the Clay Farm Lands from Ballyogan Road, southward, via a proposed new link bridge which will cross the existing valley to the adjoining undeveloped lands and link back to Ballyogan Road through the Elmfield and Castle Court residential estate to the west where part of the
    road has been constructed, including the bridge over Ballyogan Stream.
    Local Infrastructure Housing Activation Fund


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 651 ✭✭✭Nika Bolokov


    It will be fun getting on to the M50 in the morning down murphystown road when all of these lands are developed....


  • Registered Users Posts: 10 feefeetrixie


    3 and 4 beds going on sale in September, apartments not until 2018.

    Over 400K up in the late 400 Savilles said for the 3 bed - Not a hope !!

    Over 500K for the 4 beds!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭zom


    3 and 4 beds going on sale in September, apartments not until 2018.

    Over 400K up in the late 400 Savilles said for the 3 bed - Not a hope !!

    Over 500K for the 4 beds!

    LUAS makes magic with property prices...


  • Registered Users Posts: 2 Tox777


    The location is very convenient for people who use the LUAS, but there is an ESB substation right next to it :(! That would be my main concern about that location. Does anyone know if that substation is still in use or if there is any plan to move it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭zom


    Tox777 wrote: »
    The location is very convenient for people who use the LUAS, but there is an ESB substation right next to it :(! That would be my main concern about that location. Does anyone know if that substation is still in use or if there is any plan to move it?

    All site is like 400m wide so you can look for a house on the other side if you mind ESB stuff.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1 lcorbett11


    Does anyone know if the 20 percent social housing would apply to Clay Farm?
    Looks pretty good but I have heard some stories about social housing in these new estates.

    Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭BBMcQ


    lcorbett11 wrote: »
    Does anyone know if the 20 percent social housing would apply to Clay Farm?
    Looks pretty good but I have heard some stories about social housing in these new estates.

    Thanks

    The buildings at the front of the development look fairly high density....


  • Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭Gabrielle2010


    Yes, 10% is social housing and the development received funding from the government. Think the prices are revolting given that the developers have received government funding for the development as part of the Rebuilding Ireland yet cannot deliver affordable houses. I don't mean to tar all welfare receipients with one brush here but you can bet that some people will on the social housing list will get a lovely new home in this development, having never worked a day in their lives. Meanwhile, a middle income family working their butts off and leaving their kids in creche can't even afford a decent home. It does my head in how bloody backwards this country is.


  • Registered Users Posts: 25 m1989


    I got an email recently from them with the initial phase pricing as follows: "We will have a variety of both 3 & 4 bedroom houses in the initial phase ranging in size from 1,175 Sqft (109 Sqm) – 1,735 Sqft (161 Sqm). Prices will be starting at €470,000 for the 3 bedroom houses and €560,000 for the four beds."


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2 Tox777


    m1989 wrote: »
    I got an email recently from them with the initial phase pricing as follows: "We will have a variety of both 3 & 4 bedroom houses in the initial phase ranging in size from 1,175 Sqft (109 Sqm) – 1,735 Sqft (161 Sqm). Prices will be starting at €470,000 for the 3 bedroom houses and €560,000 for the four beds."
    I registered on their website, but don't know why I didn't get any email like this about the price...


  • Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭Gabrielle2010


    does anyone know are there any plans of connecting Clay Farm or any surrounding estates on to Ballyogan road, to get easier access to luas??
    Clayfarm has received a couple million in LIHAF to build infrasture


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭zom


    I don't mean to tar all welfare receipients with one brush ...

    I saw recently new social housing open in Dublin 6 and pretty decent families got it (good looking couples + kids, good clobber, gadgets, language and behaviour, two cars etc..).


  • Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭Gabrielle2010


    zom wrote: »
    I don't mean to tar all welfare receipients with one brush ...

    I saw recently new social housing open in Dublin 6 and pretty decent families got it (good looking couples + kids, good clobber, gadgets, language and behaviour, two cars etc..).

    I said I'm not painting everyone with the same brush. I was on welfare when i was unemployed. You didn't read the rest of what I said or misinterpreted what I said/ took it out of context. Do you think the system is fair that a middle income family can only afford to live in a crumy apartment, have 1 decent car and the other is a banger trying to get a morgate to live somewhere half decent. I have to tell my son no he can't have a garden because we came currently to rent a house. We can't own a dog which we've wanted to for years. We can't plan our second child because we don't have the space and can't afford a bigger place. We live in Stepaside but will probably only get a home in Wicklow, Meath or Kildare- if our morgate approval goes ahead, especially given that I'm on contract. We don't exactly have choice.
    Our taxes are funding the Rebuilding Ireland scheme- one of which is Clayfarm. The circulars stated that affordable housing was to be provided as part of being a recipient to the fund. However that is certainly not he case in Clayfarm or soon to be Cherrywood. Taxes and funding isn't going to help middle or lower income families, it's just helping out developers who would normally have to foot the bill for infrasture.
    Fair right?
    Where as social housing receipts have choice and get to stay in Dublin because people get all up in arms if they have to leave their area. Over half of those on the social housing list rejected their choice of housing some reasons stated are 'because it doesn't have a garden' or it's not in an area they like.
    I have a friend who doesn't work and lives on social welfare and got to choose her house with a lovely big garden in an area of her choice. Yet people like my husband and other friends of mine have had to look at moving outside of Dublin, pay our kids in creche and commute to work. The system Seems very fair. And I also have friends, like a lovely elderly couple who live in social housing.
    I'm not denying there are people with real need but its not fair having a system that doesn't reward work and make it more difficult for those who do. If we become unemployed we'd get housing, medical, study grants etc and more not currently available to us. The welfare system was originally created as short term aid. Not a way of life and for some- not all, it's a way of life.


  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You could always go on social welfare & put yourself on the housing list in dun laoghaire/rathdown.


  • Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭Gabrielle2010


    Sounds like a plan! :)
    Pity, I like my job.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭JaMarcusHustle


    Are there any renderings/images of what the houses and development will look like?


  • Administrators Posts: 54,089 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Has anyone seen any plans or brochures for these?

    They are supposedly on sale in September but there are no details other than the price that I can find.


  • Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭Gabrielle2010


    awec wrote: »
    Has anyone seen any plans or brochures for these?

    They are supposedly on sale in September but there are no details other than the price that I can find.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/first-fast-tracked-development-plans-almost-1-000-dublin-homes-1.3161788

    In the Irish Times today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 231 ✭✭MaudL


    awec wrote: »
    Has anyone seen any plans or brochures for these?

    They are supposedly on sale in September but there are no details other than the price that I can find.

    I registered on the website a while ago and received the below information. Then replied to the email with further questions and got the same canned answer :rolleyes: Haven't seen anything else since...

    ''I hope all is well and thank you very much for your enquiry in relation to Clay Farm, Leopardstown, Dublin 18.

    This is a really exciting project to be involved in with Park Developments. The Park Developments Group is one of Ireland's most respected and long established development and building companies. Established in 1962, it has forged a reputation for building high quality residential and commercial properties and we are looking forward to launching the first phase of 3 & 4 bedroom houses this coming September at Clay Farm.

    The registration page has just gone live and more marketing materials will be released in the very near future. www.clayfarm.ie

    We will have a variety of both 3 & 4 bedroom houses in the initial phase ranging in size from 1,175 Sqft (109 Sqm) – 1,735 Sqft (161 Sqm). The overall site includes a 22 Acre Eco Park which will be delivered in the second phase, a fantastic amenity on your doorstep. The site entrance is also ideally positioned directly opposite Leopardstown Valley Luas Stop bringing passengers into Dublin’ City Centre in 25 minutes. Leopardstown shopping centre is also less than 150m from the developments entrance including anchor tenants Dunnes Stores.''


  • Administrators Posts: 54,089 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Yea I saw they were building a lot more but they're keeping it all very quiet regarding what they are building right now. I have no idea if I am interested or not cause I can't see any plans. :D


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  • Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭Gabrielle2010


    MaudL wrote: »
    I registered on the website a while ago and received the below information. Then replied to the email with further questions and got the same canned answer :rolleyes: Haven't seen anything else since...

    ''I hope all is well and thank you very much for your enquiry in relation to Clay Farm, Leopardstown, Dublin 18.

    This is a really exciting project to be involved in with Park Developments. The Park Developments Group is one of Ireland's most respected and long established development and building companies. Established in 1962, it has forged a reputation for building high quality residential and commercial properties and we are looking forward to launching the first phase of 3 & 4 bedroom houses this coming September at Clay Farm.

    The registration page has just gone live and more marketing materials will be released in the very near future. www.clayfarm.ie

    We will have a variety of both 3 & 4 bedroom houses in the initial phase ranging in size from 1,175 Sqft (109 Sqm) – 1,735 Sqft (161 Sqm). The overall site includes a 22 Acre Eco Park which will be delivered in the second phase, a fantastic amenity on your doorstep. The site entrance is also ideally positioned directly opposite Leopardstown Valley Luas Stop bringing passengers into Dublin’ City Centre in 25 minutes. Leopardstown shopping centre is also less than 150m from the developments entrance including anchor tenants Dunnes Stores.''

    I registered and they did contact me with prices. Maybe give them a ring? They are releasing phase 1 in September. I was honestly taken aback by the price especially because the development is in receipt of LIHAF funding which has reduced their costs significantly but not having to pay anything towards infrastructure. Receipt of funding was suppose to speed up the development process and provide an affordable aspect however I don't see this at all. The developer just wins at the end of the day.
    We have been looking in the area and thought long and hard after losing out on new builds. The thing is new builds usually don't come with flooring, lights etc and even sometimes doesn't include the kitchen which you have to work into your budget. You also have a risk of the developer not completing your house or completing the snag list. We thought new build would be better but the fact you have to get tipped off by the developer or EA just to get in before launches is just super crazy. The second hand market also has its drawbacks but at least you know what you're getting and get the structural survey done to confirm there's nothing seriously wrong. We finally got a lovely home and went sale agreed this week. Its honestly such a weight of our shoulders. House hunting is not fun!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭JaMarcusHustle


    We drove by to take a look a couple of weeks ago. We left hoping that those buildings at the front aren't houses (and are hopefully apartments instead) because they are NOT good looking buildings!


  • Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭Gabrielle2010


    We drove by to take a look a couple of weeks ago. We left hoping that those buildings at the front aren't houses (and are hopefully apartments instead) because they are NOT good looking buildings!

    Have to agree.
    I saw the plans. Those front ones appear to apartments and Part V. I also wouldn't want to be right by the esb substation. Think at the back closer to the mountain would be nice. Generally the third phase ones are nice. The developer has got further plans for the site next to Clayfarm. Think there will be circa 2000 homes.


  • Administrators Posts: 54,089 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    The ones at the front are 3 story houses and they are pretty bad looking alright.

    I am guessing they will be 3 bed as I am not sure why anyone would pay 560k+ for a 4 bed terrace house.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭BBMcQ


    I saw the new posters went up today at the front of the site and checked out the website. I can't believe that 1175sqft 3 bed (terraced?) houses are "from" €470k. An extra bedroom costs €90k!!? The location has a lot of potential but the area doesn't even really have a secondary school and Ballyogan is on your door step... I'm trying not to knock the area, I'm moreso in disbelief at the prices. I really hope the area gets developed tastefully and responsibly to match the prices.


  • Administrators Posts: 54,089 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Yea they look to be terraced, at least the ones currently built are. It looks like they are building some semis too, I wonder if there'll be a mix of 3 story terrace 3 beds and 3 bed semis.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 651 ✭✭✭Nika Bolokov


    They look absolutely awful and are packed together.

    There also more expensive than houses in the Gallops across the way which are brick built and have front and back gardens.

    It will be interesting to see if they sell out quickly.


  • Administrators Posts: 54,089 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    They look absolutely awful and are packed together.

    There also more expensive than houses in the Gallops across the way which are brick built and have front and back gardens.

    It will be interesting to see if they sell out quickly.

    They will definitely sell out quickly, they are right beside the green Luas line.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,342 ✭✭✭markpb


    awec wrote: »
    They will definitely sell out quickly, they are right beside the green Luas line.

    They will definitely sell out quickly, they are houses in Dublin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭ionapaul


    Are the two story terraces (small terraces of 4 houses each I would guess) also made up of 3beds? I live very close (up the road towards Sandyford) and drive past a lot. Always assumed the two story houses were 3beds and the three story ones were 4beds, surprised that they are 3beds also.

    Although such a large development will probably end up adversely impacting the price of nearby houses in the long run, I'm glad to see the empty fields right beside a green line Luas stop being developed. Should be far enough away from the rougher parts of Ballyogan as well.

    The eventual plan is a road from the set of lights (going 'up' the road) at The Gallops Luas stop going through to Stepaside Village, with Clay Farm on the left hand side and Elmfield/Kilgobbin Wood in the right hand side as you turn onto the road from the main Ballyogan Road. Will make getting up to that village so much easier than at present.


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