Are these legal?

Xcellor · 16-07-2019 1:32pm #1

https://www.countrylife.ie/shop/product/Galvanised-Garden-Incinerator/9017283?gclid=CjwKCAjw67XpBRBqEiwA5RCocanb3-Oq3hEEcIUoPeCOkGFrYUWoEaHnpmKpEbHo90Uv7MiuiWsUPxoCOWgQAvD_BwE

I've garden debris/wood and based on what I am reading any burning in garden is illegal but then i see these for sale and farmers do it at various times during the year?

magicbastarder · 16-07-2019 2:05pm

It is illegal to burn household or garden waste at home or in your garden.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/environment/waste_management_and_recycling/burning_household_waste.html

so i guess legal to sell, illegal to use.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 16-07-2019 4:00pm

Xcellor wrote: »

https://www.countrylife.ie/shop/product/Galvanised-Garden-Incinerator/9017283?gclid=CjwKCAjw67XpBRBqEiwA5RCocanb3-Oq3hEEcIUoPeCOkGFrYUWoEaHnpmKpEbHo90Uv7MiuiWsUPxoCOWgQAvD_BwE

I've garden debris/wood and based on what I am reading any burning in garden is illegal but then i see these for sale and farmers do it at various times during the year?

Farmers do it under licences that stipulate the dates they my do so - supposedly.

RiderOnTheStorm · 16-07-2019 9:44pm

Backyard burning in these incinerator of garden trimmings & cuttings IS legal, when on small scale. Burning any rubbish like this is illegal.

Fann Linn · 16-07-2019 9:55pm

RiderOnTheStorm wrote: »

Backyard burning in these incinerator of garden trimmings & cuttings IS legal, when on small scale. Burning any rubbish like this is illegal.

Unfortunately its not. 'Backyard' burning UNLESS its generated by agricultural practices is totally outlawed. Garden waste being burnt is actually prohibited under the Waste Mgt Burning Regs 2009.

bobbyss · 17-07-2019 10:11am

I think I bought one of those and burned lots of stuff in the back garden. I was amazed at how much I burned and more amazed at the black smoke wafting right around the estate where lived. I was somewhat embarrassed by that. I was unaware that very soon after that a law came in making burning stuff in backyard in urban areas illegal. Don't know what I did with that thing but never used it again.

baaba maal · 17-07-2019 10:18am

Fann Linn wrote: »

Unfortunately its not. 'Backyard' burning UNLESS its generated by agricultural practices is totally outlawed. Garden waste being burnt is actually prohibited under the Waste Mgt Burning Regs 2009.

100% Farmers have a derogation from the ban on burning of waste- and this refers only to the hedgecuttings or other biomass, they aren't allowed use tyres or any other waste. They have to apply by completing a form from their county council and this event has to be sanctioned by the local fire station.

Nobody else is allowed to burn waste of any type- so the garden incinerators are indeed legal to sell, but illegal to use.

Thud · 17-07-2019 11:01am

baaba maal wrote: »

100% Farmers have a derogation from the ban on burning of waste- and this refers only to the hedgecuttings or other biomass, they aren't allowed use tyres or any other waste. They have to apply by completing a form from their county council and this event has to be sanctioned by the local fire station.

Nobody else is allowed to burn waste of any type- so the garden incinerators are indeed legal to sell, but illegal to use.

It's sanctioned by the council who may send a warden out to check what you are burning prior to approval.
Fire brigade only need to be informed so they don't mistakenly get called out. You have to call them before you start the fire and then again once it is out.

magicbastarder · 17-07-2019 11:06am

last year i called the fire brigade over someone doing back garden burning in a suburban area - they were ripping out ****ty old chipboard or MDF wardrobe units and burning them; the smoke was genuinely problematic.

best part about that is that they would have been charged the callout fee as the fire was deliberate.

Migaloo · 17-07-2019 11:09am

I live in a rural area and burn garden waste on my Bar B Que....is that illegal?

my3cents · 17-07-2019 11:13am

Migaloo wrote: »

I live in a rural area and burn garden waste on my Bar B Que....is that illegal?

Make sure you have a few sausages handy to prove your cooking outdoors and what can anyone do?

Fann Linn · 17-07-2019 1:02pm

baaba maal wrote: »

100% Farmers have a derogation from the ban on burning of waste- and this refers only to the hedgecuttings or other biomass, they aren't allowed use tyres or any other waste. They have to apply by completing a form from their county council and this event has to be sanctioned by the local fire station.

Nobody else is allowed to burn waste of any type- so the garden incinerators are indeed legal to sell, but illegal to use.

Thats what I said.

Still waters · 17-07-2019 1:10pm

I always call 999 as specified to me by a fire officer years ago, as long as they know you're at it and make a call when you're finished they wont mind, but im out in the country with no one around me so its different from op, plus all i ever burn is bushes and timber thats no good for anything else, if you're in a built up are op it probably won't be worth the hassle of risking someone reporting you

Mango Joe · 17-07-2019 1:12pm

I'm open to correction... But I think there was some provision for the container being used to be permissible if it had a chimney.

Noting that the product in OPs link has a 3 or 4 inch token gesture of a chimney am guessing this was a cynical way to attempt to flout this regulation?

Clearly the spirit of the law would be that the smoke would be directed high enough that it would disperse without inconveniencing neighbours and so on.

FWIW I have done this.... now regret it..... Am lucky my neighbours still talk to me..... Its horrible and anti-social and it can ruin someones evening in their garden, stink up a fresh load of clothes on a washing line and waft in open windows.

This is true even when you're only burning natural gardening waste, ie cutting etc.

Please do not do it.

magicbastarder · 17-07-2019 1:33pm

the chimney is there to create a draw and contain the heat - the idea being that the fire would burn more effciently and hotter, so create less smoke. and there's merit in that concept, it's why stoves are more efficient than an open fire. but one major issue with burning garden waste is that people rarely think to dry it out first; the water content drags the burn temperature way down so you're back to square 1 with a low temperature, inefficient burn.

baaba maal · 17-07-2019 1:54pm

Fann Linn wrote: »

Thats what I said.

The 100% at the start was me agreeing with you 100%!

Xcellor · 19-07-2019 11:44am

So regardless of the set up burning organic garden waste is illegal.

What is the best way to get rid of small branches? I know grass clippings can degrade fine but is there any mulcher type device??

magicbastarder · 19-07-2019 2:59pm

yes, a garden shredder. i have one of these, and it'll easily handle branches as thick as your thumb, or a little bit thicker.

https://www.diy.com/departments/mac-allister-mshp2800d-2-electric-silent-shredder/3663602627357_BQ.prd

uck51js9zml2yt · 19-07-2019 11:42pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

yes, a garden shredder. i have one of these, and it'll easily handle branches as thick as your thumb, or a little bit thicker.

https://www.diy.com/departments/mac-allister-mshp2800d-2-electric-silent-shredder/3663602627357_BQ.prd

My wife swears by it. We've had bags and bags of mulch thanks to ours

RiderOnTheStorm · 20-07-2019 9:58am

Unfortunately its not. 'Backyard' burning UNLESS its generated by agricultural practices is totally outlawed. Garden waste being burnt is actually prohibited under the Waste Mgt Burning Regs 2009.

I stand corrected. :-) You are right sir. My reading of the regs meant garden trimmings were not waste. Afterall, I can burn branches in my (indoor) stove but cant burn them outside. Now (well, since 09 anyway) branches and others are mentioned specifically.

Now ..... BBQs .... They are ok, right? lol

Graces7 · 20-07-2019 3:46pm

Nathan Blue Zygote wrote: »

My wife swears by it. We've had bags and bags of mulch thanks to ours

Great idea..

BarryD2 · 20-07-2019 3:59pm

You could always dry branches and so on and burn them in your house fire/ stove. It's one of these slightly ridiculous anomalies that you can't burn garden waste like branches outside but keep them for firing inside and you can of course happily burn away

I've heard a few eco numpties recently proposing a ban of wood & multi fuel stoves in domestic housing in favour of electricity generated in their carbon gobbling industrial wind machines. Nothing can be greener than growing trees and then burning them. You capture carbon in the timber, then burn it, plant more - straight conversion and recycling.

Elemonator · 20-07-2019 4:05pm

Fann Linn wrote: »

Unfortunately its not. 'Backyard' burning UNLESS its generated by agricultural practices is totally outlawed. Garden waste being burnt is actually prohibited under the Waste Mgt Burning Regs 2009.

Thanks for posting the legislation. I was curious too.

It is widespread across the site to declare such and such legal without backing it up. While you would probably be a bit of an idiot to believe a random boardsie, you have to be careful in case it might cause trouble for someone. Just my 2 cents.

Thud · 20-07-2019 9:33pm

BarryD2 wrote: »

You could always dry branches and so on and burn them in your house fire/ stove. It's one of these slightly ridiculous anomalies that you can't burn garden waste like branches outside but keep them for firing inside and you can of course happily burn away

I've heard a few eco numpties recently proposing a ban of wood & multi fuel stoves in domestic housing in favour of electricity generated in their carbon gobbling industrial wind machines. Nothing can be greener than growing trees and then burning them. You capture carbon in the timber, then burn it, plant more - straight conversion and recycling.

It's to do with the temperature the fire burns at in a fireplace/stove vs outdoorsand the amount of smoke it produces. See magicbasterers post above

BarryD2 · 22-07-2019 10:18am

magicbastarder wrote: »

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/environment/waste_management_and_recycling/burning_household_waste.html

so i guess legal to sell, illegal to use.

Thud wrote: »

It's to do with the temperature the fire burns at in a fireplace/stove vs outdoorsand the amount of smoke it produces. See magicbasterers post above

Quoting from above:
"Examples of where you cannot burn household or garden waste are:

In a barrel or exposed pile in the yard or garden
On a bonfire
On an open fire, range or other solid fuel appliance
In a mini-incinerator"

Example of poorly thought out advice - at what point does 'garden waste' like branches and tree limbs become fuel??

my3cents · 22-07-2019 10:41am

BarryD2 wrote: »

Quoting from above:
"Examples of where you cannot burn household or garden waste are:

In a barrel or exposed pile in the yard or garden
On a bonfire
On an open fire, range or other solid fuel appliance
In a mini-incinerator"

Example of poorly thought out advice - at what point does 'garden waste' like branches and tree limbs become fuel??

Anything bigger than about an inch in diameter gets cut and stacked and goes on in the stove. Not going to waste good fuel.

BarryD2 · 22-07-2019 12:33pm

my3cents wrote: »

Anything bigger than about an inch in diameter gets cut and stacked and goes on in the stove. Not going to waste good fuel.

Exactly that's thrifty common sense but the legislation quoted above seeks to propose that the fumes coming out of your household stove chimney is OK but if you burn same in garden incinerator it's not. Sometimes the law is an ass.

Holy Diver · 22-07-2019 8:13pm

What’s the story with fire pits and chimineas?
Not to burn waste but in general.

looksee · 22-07-2019 10:50pm

Holy Diver wrote: »

What’s the story with fire pits and chimineas?
Not to burn waste but in general.

Its probably safer not to ask.

I suppose garden waste becomes fuel when it has been sorted and stacked and dried for 12 months.

Flipperdipper · 26-07-2019 10:41am

I make my own charcoal for my BBQ from waste/fallen branches 1"-3" in diameter using a small modified steel barrel. I'm just waiting for the day when some dickhead jobsworth comes out and accuses me of burning rubbish.

magicbastarder · 26-07-2019 10:47am

BarryD2 wrote: »

Exactly that's thrifty common sense but the legislation quoted above seeks to propose that the fumes coming out of your household stove chimney is OK but if you burn same in garden incinerator it's not. Sometimes the law is an ass.

no; AFAIK the law specifically forbids you burning waste in your stove, in the same way it forbids you burning waste in your back garden.

the law (the one being talked about) is specifically about *waste* burning.

26-07-2019 11:12am

Flipperdipper wrote: »

I make my own charcoal for my BBQ from waste/fallen branches 1"-3" in diameter using a small modified steel barrel. I'm just waiting for the day when some dickhead jobsworth comes out and accuses me of burning rubbish.

Ohh, interesting .
any more info?

Flipperdipper · 26-07-2019 11:37pm

BrownFinger wrote: »

Ohh, interesting .
any more info?

I cut the top off the barrel leaving a ledge of about 20mm all around. I then drilled a series of 30mm holes around the bottom of the barrel and four more in the base. It's a simple process, the hardest part is to get the initial burn right. Put some newspaper and kindling in the bottom of the barrel, make sure you have the paper poking out through several of the holes for easy lighting. Fill barrel with branches about the same diameter and light. Now the tricky part. When you have a good fire going pile up earth around the holes and put lid on barrel with earth around the edges. The purpose of the earth is to shut off the oxygen supply. If you close it off too early you end up with timber charred on the outside and solid in the middle. Close it off too late you end up with a pile of ash. Get it right and you have good chemical free sustainable sourced charcoal. I tried to upload photos but kept getting a message saying the file is too large.

Lumen · 27-07-2019 8:01am

Surely it's not waste if you're making something with it.

s7ryf3925pivug · 27-07-2019 8:04am

Legal to sell or own. Illegal to burn waste in, including garden waste. You can very reported to the council and penalised for both pollution and for disturbing your neighbors.

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