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Incest in Ireland

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    #92
    [Deleted User]
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Separating the two works fine for you and me, but it doesn't happen when supporters of changes to the justice system seek to reduce the severity of the crime.

    Agreed - if we are going to reduce the punishments or our treatment of those crimes - there has to be a demonstrably good reason for doing so. If such reasons are presented then why not? But I am not seeing any such reasons as yet.

    All - of course - a separate topic to this one though.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm not concerned with people who have desires for children but never submit to that desire by molestation or rape. They're not criminals.

    Agreed - but from the TedX thread many people don't agree with us. Some people would - on identification of someone - wish to jail them castrate them and even outright kill them. Before they even commit any actual crime.

    Where you and I might potentially disagree however is in the case of the criminals and the abusers - I do not find the sympathy to be mutually exclusive with seeking justice - reparations - punishments - rehabilitations - or anything else.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    However, the dominoes' analogy works here, because further changes always follow.

    Many of them probably would have anyway - with or without the first domino. Humans and society are constantly changing.

    The reasonable approach seems to be to consider each proposed change on it's own merits. If a good one leads to a bad one being suggested - then deal with that bad one. Not to use it to blame the good one.

    Change and consideration of change and proposals for change - should never stop. And we should certainly never hold the right thing - because we are paranoid what the _next_ proposed thing might be.


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    #93
    osarusan
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    Any slippery slope argument needs to be examined with reference to countries in which incest is no longer illegal.


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    #94
    suicide_circus
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    is there a lobby pushing for legalisation? its a funny one to be worried about unless there are people pushing for a change. so many more pressing matters i would have thought.


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    #95
    suicide_circus
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    a follow up opinion piece:

    https://m.independent.ie/opinion/comment/patricia-casey-terrifying-zeitgeist-reveals-taboo-of-incest-between-brother-and-sister-is-weakening-38722349.html


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    #96
    KWAG2019
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    The problem with proposals such as these is the source. The LawRC has failed the country in its ideological approach. The credibility of the Irish justice system is at a very low point. The LRC is the institution most in need of reform.


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