1916 Seachtar Na Casca

delta_bravo · 22-09-2010 9:35pm #1

On TG4 now, hopefully its decent. At the start of it it mentioned the occupations of the 7 signatories. One was referred to as "a cripple". Was that Ceannt?

delta_bravo · 22-09-2010 9:42pm

On another matter the narrator sounds very like Brendan Gleeson. I didn't think he was líofa

brianthebard · 22-09-2010 10:06pm

Not crazy about the re-enacted scenes.

baldbear · 22-09-2010 10:22pm

delta_bravo wrote: »

On another matter the narrator sounds very like Brendan Gleeson. I didn't think he was líofa

It's Brendan allright. I like it so far. Great that it's covering each of the 7.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0921/1224279369271.html

delta_bravo · 22-09-2010 10:25pm

Turns out Mac Diarmada was "the cripple". TG4 do excellent documentary shows which is exceptional with their limited budget, hopefully this one is good. Looks promising

Qualitymark · 22-09-2010 10:38pm

The first, on Clarke, was good - absolutely accurate that he was the revered fount of the revolution.

MacDiarmada was crippled by polio as a child, and always had to walk with a stick. They were looking for shorthand descriptions.

Not sure if the other six programmes are showing nightly or weekly.

Denerick · 22-09-2010 11:04pm

brianthebard wrote: »

Not crazy about the re-enacted scenes.

It seems to be the way with documentaries these days - throw in some Z list TV actor to spout a few lines and somehow we're supposed to get a greater 'insight' into the period. It annoys me too.

wolfpawnat · 23-09-2010 12:15am

delta_bravo wrote: »

On TG4 now, hopefully its decent. At the start of it it mentioned the occupations of the 7 signatories. One was referred to as "a cripple". Was that Ceannt?

As Quality Mark said, that was MacDonnagh, due to polio as a child.

Poor man had to walk from the front garden of the Rotunda hospital all the way to the prison without his cane after they surrendered. Took him an hour and a half longer than everyone else to get ther, but he kept his head high!

Qualitymark · 23-09-2010 8:10am

wolfpawnat wrote: »

As Quality Mark said, that was MacDonnagh, due to polio as a child.

Poor man had to walk from the front garden of the Rotunda hospital all the way to the prison without his cane after they surrendered. Took him an hour and a half longer than everyone else to get ther, but he kept his head high!

Mac Diarmada, not MacDonagh.

JohnFalstaff · 23-09-2010 9:27am

MacDiarmada became crippled by polio as an adult, not as a child. He was in his mid twenties when it happened.

Enjoyed last night's episode, actually liked the use of re-enactments on this occasion, thought they added to it. Looking forward to their take on Connolly.

Qualitymark · 23-09-2010 9:35am

JohnFalstaff, is there a good biography of MacDiarmada?

JohnFalstaff · 23-09-2010 9:53am

I would recommend Gerard MacAtasney's book Seán MacDiarmada: Mind of the Revolution. It's well researched and well written.

Although you're hardly spoiled for choice, it's the only biography out there for MacDiarmada as far as I'm aware - which is unusual considering the central role he played in the events leading up to the Rising. I think we'll be seeing a lot more interest in these men in the next few years with the centenary approaching.

Qualitymark · 23-09-2010 10:04am

Thanks, JohnFalstaff.

pinkypinky · 23-09-2010 10:07am

I thought it was excellent. It's weekly but for some reason my sky+ won't series link on it. Wasn't Brendan Gleeson an Irish teacher before he became an actor?

MarchDub · 23-09-2010 3:26pm

pinkypinky wrote: »

I thought it was excellent. It's weekly but for some reason my sky+ won't series link on it. Wasn't Brendan Gleeson an Irish teacher before he became an actor?

He taught secondary school - but I think I read somewhere that he taught drama and English.

I really liked Gleeson in The Treaty - he played Collins really well IMO. I don't think this is still around - or even been released on DVD - but well worth a search to try. I have an old video of it from back when it first came out in the early 90s.

Denerick · 23-09-2010 4:08pm

MarchDub wrote: »

He taught secondary school - but I think I read somewhere that he taught drama and English.

I really liked Gleeson in The Treaty - he played Collins really well IMO. I don't think this is still around - or even been released on DVD - but well worth a search to try. I have an old video of it from back when it first came out in the early 90s.

My grandfather (Long since deceased) taped it when it was first aired and I'm fortunate enough to have it still. I don't know if it still works, but I rewatched it 2 or 3 years ago. I think it is on sale somewhere on the internet, remember seeing an add for it.

Qualitymark · 23-09-2010 4:17pm

There's a few sections on Youtube - here's one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDQ6qR9Ow7E and another where Cathal Brugha confronts Eamon De Valera over the Treaty http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99aZIm1DZVY

wolfpawnat · 23-09-2010 8:03pm

Qualitymark wrote: »

Mac Diarmada, not MacDonagh.

Sorry was tired and not thinking right!!!!

On youtube I found a song under the title Rebel Heart - James Connolly.

I have yet to watch the series its on, but it looks good. Anyone here see it already?

Dionysus · 23-09-2010 8:43pm

B'fhearr liom a bheith ag éisteacht le James Connolly ó Christy Moore. Tá sé ar fáil ar an albam Prosperous (1972). Tá sé níos fearr ná leagan ón Wolfe Tones nó grúpaí mar sin.

Qualitymark · 23-09-2010 8:53pm

Saw the first episode, on Clarke, wolfpawnat, and it was right on the spot. Looking forward to the others.

Dionysus, nach iontach an amhrán agus an leagan é sin! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj0X7nwKCGs

high heels · 24-09-2010 1:29am

Annoyed that they used the tricolour.. It was a green flag with a harp in the middle that they used in 1916... Other than that a great doc..

Stange seeing the old film footage with a union jack on top of the GPO.. Very strange..

Qualitymark · 24-09-2010 8:08am

high heels wrote: »

Annoyed that they used the tricolour.. It was a green flag with a harp in the middle that they used in 1916... Other than that a great doc..

Stange seeing the old film footage with a union jack on top of the GPO.. Very strange..

I think both flags were flying - the harp and the Tricolour.

MarchDub · 24-09-2010 12:30pm

Qualitymark wrote: »

I think both flags were flying - the harp and the Tricolour.

Yes, the Tricolour was used in 1916.

wolfpawnat · 24-09-2010 12:42pm

The was also the Irish republic flag was used, if I am not mistaken! It is seen burned a bit in a lot of post rebellion photos of the damage to Sackville street (now O'Connell street)

narky · 24-09-2010 12:59pm

high heels wrote: »

Stange seeing the old film footage with a union jack on top of the GPO.. Very strange..

I agree it looked strange alright.

I thought the programme was quite good and the reenactment scenes added to the interviews and narration. I'm looking forward to the next one on Connolly.

Qualitymark · 24-09-2010 1:33pm

I hope they bring the series out on DVD.

mikemac · 24-09-2010 1:38pm

It was excellent

TG4 do some fantastic documentaries

Wolfe Tone · 24-09-2010 1:44pm

Anywhere to see it online lads?

dmaxontour · 24-09-2010 1:55pm

I had this marked to watch a couple of weeks ago and then completely forgot :mad:.
Is it repeated at all? Or else any online links would be good. Thanks.

wolfpawnat · 24-09-2010 2:04pm

I have to use rabbit ears with my tv

TG4 doesnt come up on it! well it does but it is really fuzzy! And never in colour!

Qualitymark · 24-09-2010 2:09pm

TG4 Player: http://www.tg4.tv/ and down on the right there.

salutations · 24-09-2010 9:07pm

Denerick wrote: »

My grandfather (Long since deceased) taped it when it was first aired and I'm fortunate enough to have it still. I don't know if it still works, but I rewatched it 2 or 3 years ago. I think it is on sale somewhere on the internet, remember seeing an add for it.

Why in the name of God don't RTE have this on sale on DVD. Im sure every secondary school in the country would get a copy of it not to mention those of us interested in it. I remember our principal making us watch it when we were in 6th class. I remember really enjoying it but little else. I'd dearly love to see it, apparently Gleeson had the gait and accent of Collins down to a tee. I've looked for it online before and only saw old VHS copies available. Is it available anywhere on DVD???

MarchDub · 24-09-2010 9:27pm

salutations wrote: »

Why in the name of God don't RTE have this on sale on DVD. Im sure every secondary school in the country would get a copy of it not to mention those of us interested in it. I remember our principal making us watch it when we were in 6th class. I remember really enjoying it but little else. I'd dearly love to see it, apparently Gleeson had the gait and accent of Collins down to a tee. I've looked for it online before and only saw old VHS copies available. Is it available anywhere on DVD???

A good question. I haven't been able to find it anywhere on DVD. As I said I have an old VHS copy dating to when it came out in the early 90s but it's getting very faded and the resolution is bad. Gleeson is brilliant - he does indeed have the gait and accent of Collins down well. The downside for me is they spent too much time dwelling on Lloyd George's relationship/affair [who cares?] with his secretary whom he calls "Pussy" throughout. Yes.

mikemac · 24-09-2010 9:37pm

salutations wrote: »

Why in the name of God don't RTE have this on sale on DVD. Im sure every secondary school in the country would get a copy of it not to mention those of us interested in it. I remember our principal making us watch it when we were in 6th class.

When I was in 6th class we didn't have The Treaty but we did watch the The Young Indinia Jones Chronciles.

Young Indiana was vistied Dublin and going out with the sister of Sean Lemass
Anyone remember that espisode, all based on the truth I tell ya

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meIX_JImqj0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkajKDx4RB4

1916 gets the Hollywood treatment

Wolfe Tone · 24-09-2010 10:59pm

lol!

Its almost as good as the Capt Planet visits belfast episode!

Qualitymark · 25-09-2010 12:40am

You can't even get a DVD of John MacDonagh's film of Michael Collins selling the first of the Republican Loan bonds to people including Erskine Childers, Grace Plunkett, Arthur Griffith, Robert Brennan, etc.

delta_bravo · 29-09-2010 10:23pm

Anyone see it tonight about James Connolly? Thought it was very good, didn't know much about the man really.

Qualitymark · 29-09-2010 10:36pm

Wasn't quite as impressed. Connolly and his cohorts looked far too prosperous; the idea of a child labourer in 19th-century Edinburgh having nice boots and a good outfit was beyond the realm. And he just didn't convince as a radical, as presented.

I was disappointed that they didn't have more about his involvement with the Wobblies too, and with Larkin (who spoke the eulogy over the grave of Joe Hill); and that they didn't even show a picture of William Martin Murphy, or include the fact that Murphy was wildly nationalistic, in a Franco sort of way.

Nor did it include Connolly's wit and fun - here's an archive of his writing: http://www.marxists.org/archive/connolly/index.htm

But it did get across Connolly's utter heroism, as a working man and as a leader.

baldbear · 29-09-2010 10:57pm

Fair play to Tg4. I think they've put together a really good series. I was thinking they would of showed 16 Moore st. Does anyone know is this building to be fully preserved?

This will have to come out on DVD. It'll be excellent for kids to see in schools.

Qualitymark · 30-09-2010 12:37am

No, the three houses in Moore Street which are the subject of a preservation order will not be preserved as they should be, unless the protests by An Taisce, the Georgian Society, etc are effective.

The current plan involves placing the toilets and kitchens of the planned super-mall under these historic houses. Moore Lane, where the last charge of the GPO garrison took place, would be a walkway in this plastic mall.

There's a group called Save Moore Street that has a facebook page http://www.facebook.com/#!/savemoorestreet if you want to go to a few protest meetings and write to your TDs and so on.

PatsytheNazi · 30-09-2010 5:54pm

Qualitymark wrote: »

Wasn't quite as impressed. Connolly and his cohorts looked far too prosperous; the idea of a child labourer in 19th-century Edinburgh having nice boots and a good outfit was beyond the realm. And he just didn't convince as a radical, as presented.

I was disappointed that they didn't have more about his involvement with the Wobblies too, and with Larkin (who spoke the eulogy over the grave of Joe Hill); and that they didn't even show a picture of William Martin Murphy, or include the fact that Murphy was wildly nationalistic, in a Franco sort of way.

Nor did it include Connolly's wit and fun - here's an archive of his writing: http://www.marxists.org/archive/connolly/index.htm

But it did get across Connolly's utter heroism, as a working man and as a leader.

He was far from been an Irish nationalist but a total user and oppurtunist. Dubbed William Murder Murphy by the people of Dublin after the Lockout in 1913, his newspaper the Irish Independent called for the shooting of Connolly and others in 1916. His appearent nationalism was motivated for fiscal autonomy only - which he and his cronies would control of course.

Qualitymark · 30-09-2010 7:28pm

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

He was far from been an Irish nationalist but a total user and oppurtunist. Dubbed William Murder Murphy by the people of Dublin after the Lockout in 1913, his newspaper the Irish Independent called for the shooting of Connolly and others in 1916. His appearent nationalism was motivated for fiscal autonomy only - which he and his cronies would control of course.

True - he wasn't unlike the current lot in that. But his heart was green, you have to give him that. He was an authoritarian capitalist, but loved his country.

JohnFalstaff · 03-10-2010 6:16am

Just watched this online. I thought it was a fine representation of the life of James Connolly. Connolly (and the Citizen Army) was the sharp end of the stick. Without their participation the Easter Rising would have been a much more tame affair.

In the words of AE:

Here's to you Connolly, my man,
Who cast the last torch on the pile.
You too, had Ireland in your care.

PatsytheNazi · 03-10-2010 4:03pm

Qualitymark wrote: »

True - he wasn't unlike the current lot in that. But his heart was green, you have to give him that. He was an authoritarian capitalist, but loved his country.

True William Murder Murphy wasn't unlike the current lot and loved his country in the same way as Sir Anthony O'Reilly, Bertie Ahern, Ivor Callely, Sean Fitzpatrick etc

Qualitymark · 03-10-2010 5:16pm

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

True William Murder Murphy wasn't unlike the current lot and loved his country in the same way as Sir Anthony O'Reilly, Bertie Ahern, Ivor Callely, Sean Fitzpatrick etc

But the working and workless people of 1913 had a lot more balls than we have.

Qualitymark · 04-10-2010 3:37pm

Here's James Connolly's great-grandson bringing Enda Kenny on a tour of the battlefield:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx0_UaTstCI (first part)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET60MGMIoAg (second part)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyjtgECWlbs (final part)

These links replace an earlier version in mp4, which doesn't play so well on YouTube as .flv, which these are.

delta_bravo · 20-10-2010 9:07pm

Reminder Mac Diarmada is on tonight. Also another thing I notice in the show was that when they were executed by firing squad the OIC walked towards to body and shot them again with a pistol. Was that common practice or revenge for killing British soldiers?

mikemac · 20-10-2010 11:46pm

The coup de grace

Like most things in the military, these things are covered by procedures so the officer follows that

I can't say if the British army did it for every execution but it's pretty standard, not strange at all

Qualitymark · 21-10-2010 7:34am

The executions were botched, according to a medical officer who attended, and so and officer had to shoot them with a handgun to finish them off.

MarchDub · 21-10-2010 12:56pm

Qualitymark wrote: »

The executions were botched, according to a medical officer who attended, and so and officer had to shoot them with a handgun to finish them off.

Thanks for this - do you have anything further on where this information/source can be found?

Qualitymark · 21-10-2010 1:01pm

MarchDub wrote: »

Thanks for this - do you have anything further on where this information/source can be found?

Sure-o: google "waving like a field of corn" and "HV Stanley" and you're set.

1916 Seachtar Na Casca

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