Outputs on HKC 1070

ptogher14 · 02-07-2016 11:30pm #1

Evening all. I've a HKC 1070 panel installed. Can anybody tell me how to programme the outputs. I'd like to switch output one when the panel goes into alarm. And how to get the outputs displayed in the app.
Thanks advance

altor · 02-07-2016 11:46pm

ptogher14 wrote: »

Evening all. I've a HKC 1070 panel installed. Can anybody tell me how to programme the outputs. I'd like to switch output one when the panel goes into alarm. And how to get the outputs displayed in the app.
Thanks advance

If you go into the outputs menu on the system you can set up the panel outputs.
What are you looking to trigger from the output?

ptogher14 · 02-07-2016 11:53pm

Thanks for the reply altor. I'm looking to pull in a relay to turn on the outside lights. If I programme this will it automatically appear in the menu on the app?

altor · 02-07-2016 11:56pm

ptogher14 wrote: »

Thanks for the reply altor. I'm looking to pull in a relay to turn on the outside lights. If I programme this will it automatically appear in the menu on the app?

Is this just when the alarm activates or to turn them on using the app?

ptogher14 · 02-07-2016 11:59pm

Both if that's possible

altor · 03-07-2016 12:03am

ptogher14 wrote: »

Both if that's possible

You can set an output as pre-alarm and when the system activates it will trigger the output to turn on the relay.
This will not show in the output section on the app.
If you set up another output to lights this will give you the output in the app menu.
It will allow you control the lights in a none alarm mode.
Turn on and off plus set the length of time you want to turn the light on for on the app.

ptogher14 · 03-07-2016 12:09am

Thanks I'll give that a go altor

altor · 03-07-2016 12:12am

ptogher14 wrote: »

Thanks I'll give that a go altor

No problem, any other questions please let us know.

Evolution1 · 03-07-2016 10:20am

You can use the relay to bypass the light switch and alarm will trigger lights. Use can use the internal or external bell outputs as they trigger when the alarm triggers. This way youll have control from the light switch and the alarm will bypass the switch when triggered meaning if you leave the switch off the lights will still come on for alarm events.

Smart lights could also be used. This would allow the lights to come on and off for a schedule and you can have them flash for an alarm event or just stay steady on. Program output as smart lights

ptogher14 · 03-07-2016 10:45am

That's how it's wired at the moment. I have the relay wired in parallel with the light switch and pir so the relay will override them.

Sparkie77 · 21-03-2018 3:00pm

An old thread I know, but hopefully someone can help...
I have the HKC SW-1070 and would like to install some flood lights out front (and back) of the house.
I understand the concept of using a relay to switch on the lights however i'm confused with the outputs:

1. Say the 'light' button on the key panel- what output on the board is that button connected to?
2. If i were to get this working, can this 'light' configuration be set high automatically when alarm is triggered?

Many thanks.

KoolKid · 21-03-2018 8:49pm

Sparkie77 wrote: »

1. Say the 'light' button on the key panel- what output on the board is that button connected to?

You can use any spare output & programme any output as Light.

Sparkie77 wrote: »

2. If i were to get this working, can this 'light' configuration be set high automatically when alarm is triggered?

Many thanks.

You can just take another negative from the bell output or another output programmed as bell or alarm.

Sparkie77 · 22-03-2018 6:22pm

Thanks Koolkid.
How would you wire the light exactly...
One wire from say Output 1 and the second wire from?
Can you also explain “take another negative”?
Thanks for your help.

KoolKid · 22-03-2018 8:24pm

Say your using a relay with a 12vdc coil.
Permanent + to one side of the coil. - from output to the other.
Neutral straight to light . Live through C & NO contacts of the relay.
Bell - can be another input into coil -.

Sparkie77 · 22-03-2018 9:39pm

Sound. Thanks.

dermotx · 15-07-2020 10:34pm

Hi. I want to program output 1 or 2 to go high and turn on a relay which controls my camera when the alarm is ARMED. So when alarm is armed output is high and when alarm is unset output is low.

I presume programmable outputs is the way to do this but I can't figure out how to get at programmable outputs in the output menu. I go to 7.6.2 Output Options but can't change anything or see what output I'm trying to change. ArmDisarm doesn't appear.

Thank you in advance for any help you can give.

Regards
Dermot D

altor · 16-07-2020 8:13pm

dermotx wrote: »

Hi. I want to program output 1 or 2 to go high and turn on a relay which controls my camera when the alarm is ARMED. So when alarm is armed output is high and when alarm is unset output is low.

I presume programmable outputs is the way to do this but I can't figure out how to get at programmable outputs in the output menu. I go to 7.6.2 Output Options but can't change anything or see what output I'm trying to change. ArmDisarm doesn't appear.

Thank you in advance for any help you can give.

Regards
Dermot D

Go Into outputs menu, panel outputs.
1 and 2 are programmable. Select and scroll.
Latch would be the best output to use as it is 0V when off but switches to 12V when you enter your user code then back to 0v once system has been unset.

dermotx · 16-07-2020 11:06pm

Thanks a million for that. It worked great, output 1 is 0v when unset but is just 0.6v when alarm is armed.

It still solves my problem but I'll have to use a little ingenuity to get 0.6v to trigger a relay. Maybe a comparator or microcontroller.

Thanks again

altor · 17-07-2020 6:55pm

dermotx wrote: »

Thanks a million for that. It worked great, output 1 is 0v when unset but is just 0.6v when alarm is armed.

It still solves my problem but I'll have to use a little ingenuity to get 0.6v to trigger a relay. Maybe a comparator or microcontroller.

Thanks again

It should be more than that.
Have you tried it without replay attached?

dermotx · 17-07-2020 7:21pm

Hi. I presume you mean "relay" attached? The relay is not attached and I have tried ouput 1 and 2.

Regards
Dermot

altor · 17-07-2020 7:25pm

dermotx wrote: »

Hi. I presume you mean "relay" attached? The relay is not attached and I have tried ouput 1 and 2.

Regards
Dermot

What way have you wired the relay from output?

dermotx · 17-07-2020 7:44pm

I haven't wired the relay to the board at all. I thought I should get the 13v by measuring from ground to output 1 or 2 without anything attached. I agree with you that there is something amiss because 0.5v is a strange out put. You'd expect something like 3v or 5v or 12v.

altor · 17-07-2020 7:51pm

dermotx wrote: »

I haven't wired the relay to the board at all. I thought I should get the 13v by measuring from ground to output 1 or 2 without anything attached. I agree with you that there is something amiss because 0.5v is a strange out put. You'd expect something like 3v or 5v or 12v.

Connect positive to the positive on aux power.
Connect negative to output 1 or 2.

dermotx · 17-07-2020 8:40pm

Also, I've checked other outputs with my meter and get 13v so meter is working correctly.

dermotx · 17-07-2020 9:16pm

Sorry, i didn't notice your reply before I sent my reply about the meter.

I'm not clear on what you mean.

"Connect positive to the positive on Aux Power". Aux Power is reading 13v and you want me to connect a positive 13v to it?

"Connect negative to output 1 or 2". The negative from where, ground I presume?

Am I to make these connections when the system is set or unset?
If the system is set and I connect the 0.6v output to negative or ground I'm afraid I could damage something?

Sorry I'm obviously reading this wrong.

altor · 18-07-2020 1:09pm

dermotx wrote: »

Sorry, i didn't notice your reply before I sent my reply about the meter.

I'm not clear on what you mean.

"Connect positive to the positive on Aux Power". Aux Power is reading 13v and you want me to connect a positive 13v to it?

"Connect negative to output 1 or 2". The negative from where, ground I presume?

Am I to make these connections when the system is set or unset?
If the system is set and I connect the 0.6v output to negative or ground I'm afraid I could damage something?

Sorry I'm obviously reading this wrong.

Yes take a positive off the 12V supply.
The negative will be off output 1 or 2.

dermotx · 18-07-2020 4:20pm

Thanks for that.

Ok. I momentarily connected the battery positive to Aux Power positive and the battery negative to Output 1 firstly with system unarmed and the Output 1 is now reading 0.5v when unarmed and 0v when armed; a reversal of what I was getting before.

I also momentarily made the connections when the system was armed but this didn't change anything.

Regards
Dermot

dermotx · 18-07-2020 6:29pm

I was able to set Output 1 back to 0v when unarmed and 0.5v when armed by going into 7.1 and changing the- to +.

altor · 18-07-2020 7:02pm

dermotx wrote: »

Thanks for that.

Ok. I momentarily connected the battery positive to Aux Power positive and the battery negative to Output 1 firstly with system unarmed and the Output 1 is now reading 0.5v when unarmed and 0v when armed; a reversal of what I was getting before.

I also momentarily made the connections when the system was armed but this didn't change anything.

Regards
Dermot

Connect the positive of your meter to the positive of the 12V supply beside keypad terminals.
Now connect the negative of the meter to output 1 or 2.
If you trigger the relay by using the output tests you can see if you are getting 13V.

If above is not working id advise getting a installer to set this up for you.

dermotx · 18-07-2020 7:31pm

Thank you very much for your time and patience.

Problem is solved. When unarmed I get 13v between Aux+ and Output 1. When armed I get 0.5v between Aux+ and Output 1. This is enough to power a 12v relay.

Thanks again.

Regards
Dermot

19-07-2020 12:10am

Post #11
Can the lights button on the panel control on output?
Or does it just turn in the panel lights?

altor · 19-07-2020 2:47pm

BrownFinger wrote: »

Post #11
Can the lights button on the panel control on output?
Or does it just turn in the panel lights?

Correct, that is for controlling the back light on the keypad.
You can control outputs using 0*8 on the keypad.
Another option is to have buttons on the fob setup to control the outputs also.

22-07-2020 1:24pm

Thanks altor !
Will check it out later.
Shame there isn't a dedicated button on the keypad to activate an output.

altor · 28-07-2020 4:25pm

BrownFinger wrote: »

Thanks altor !
Will check it out later.
Shame there isn't a dedicated button on the keypad to activate an output.

Yes but if you have multiply outputs to control is the reasoning why there is a list of them.

ptogher14 · 17-09-2020 11:28am

Hi guys,

Reviving this thread. As before I have the outside lights connected to output 1 which closes under alarm condition. I want to use output 2 to switch another light through the HKC app.

Can anyone talk me through programming this?

Thanks

benny1122 · 14-10-2023 12:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/100235463#Comment_100235463

hi, following same steps, I changed panel output 3 from "strobe" to lights and set it to +, however the lights never turned on when I enabled the output but when I disabled it, it turned on the internal sounder. any help would be greatly appreciated

altor · 15-10-2023 9:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236389#Comment_121236389

I am presuming output 3 is on for the internal bell on the system which would turn it on.

What are you trying to do?

benny1122 · 16-10-2023 10:28am

so I currently have my flood lights on a relay to turn on when the alarm goes off, but I want to make it that it appears on the app to toggle in a non alarm state - ive attached a picture of the wiring as it seems nothing is even plugged into the outputs section, even tho the lights turn on when the system goes into alarm?

. I didn't wire the panel, installer did and I recently got the engineer code so am changing a few settings.

I also see there are wires plugged in to remote? no idea what they are.

AmpMan · 16-10-2023 10:34am

Remote is the keypad (RKP remote key pad).

He might have taken the switch wire for the relay off the external bell .

Do you know where the relay is ?

altor · 16-10-2023 2:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121244490#Comment_121244490

You would need to use output 1 or 2 to give you this in the app.

As said above the output would of been triggered off the internal or external bell to activate.

Can you move the alarm cable in front of these to see if its done in the panel or it could be that the relay to do this is located in the attic.

benny1122 · 16-10-2023 4:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121244510#Comment_121244510

thanks for that. Relay is located somewhere in the attic. So assuming the relay wire is connected to the external bell. Would I see that as there would be 2 instead of one wire coming out of the positive for the external bell? If that’s the case. Can I just plug that into output one?

benny1122 · 17-10-2023 10:27am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121245703#Comment_121245703

Found it there

so there’s 3 led lights connected to it

altor · 17-10-2023 11:48am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121248866#Comment_121248866

Now you just need to use one of the cores from the cable back to the panel as the trigger in output 1 or 2.

If you done separate the trigger then the bell will go off when toggled the output in the app.

Vincent camera · 08-05-2024 1:20pm

Hi can I ask I have a hkc alarm wired connected to the hkc app via the GSM board I added in the 8 channell output card into zone 5 and fitted 8 external 12v relays I have them named added as smart relays for heating outside lights etc and all is working fine the main reason I did this was for the ability in the app to set a time on my external lighting when I touch the icon I can only set the output relay on "until" a certain time I was hoping to have the ability to set a on time and off time for the relay say its 2pm I can set the lights for 8pm to 11pm is there any other functionality anywhere for these relays sorry for the long thread any help would be appreciated thanks.

altor · 09-05-2024 5:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122111824#Comment_122111824

Its very limited, for this reason I have changed mine to sonoff devices.

Gives you more options plus you can control them using Google or Alexa

They are saying many years now they will be offering options re this but still waiting

Vincent camera · 09-05-2024 10:49pm

Thanks altor have u any link or name I can look up its the timing function I want most also have 8 relays cheers

altor · 10-05-2024 3:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122118570#Comment_122118570

Please find below, think the 4 is max but you can check to see if its fits what you need

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sonoff-4CHPROR3-WiFi-Smart-Switch/dp/B08BF3VDDD/ref%3Dasc_df_B08BF3VDDD/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=430975289432&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=11979411066486482472&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9047197&hvtargid=pla-937994039960&psc=1&mcid=f4cbfb69dda33a7f952840403ffae075&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=97419445182&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=430975289432&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=11979411066486482472&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9047197&hvtargid=pla-937994039960

Outputs on HKC 1070

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