Coral Tour Championship - ITV4 20th-26th of June

Joe_ Public · 25-06-2020 1:03pm

Didnt specify but it's possible he could be referring to playing conditions as much as anything else, table will obviously play that bit slower and heavier with greater heat/humidity and players can struggle. Maguire i think said he found it tough too, but coped better than his opponent. Thats all part of the game too.

Not sure if the regulations permit regular use of air conditioning, there probably is a case for relaxing dress code while this lasts if thats the case imo.

Chalk McHugh · 25-06-2020 1:15pm

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Didnt specify but it's possible he could be referring to playing conditions as much as anything else, table will obviously play that bit slower and heavier with greater heat/humidity and players can struggle. Maguire i think said he found it tough too, but coped better than his opponent. Thats all part of the game too.

Not sure if the regulations permit regular use of air conditioning, there probably is a case for relaxing dress code while this lasts if thats the case imo.

Anymore relaxing of Maguire's dress code and we could see him playing in a t shirt and shorts

Inviere · 25-06-2020 1:27pm

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Anymore relaxing of Maguire's dress code and we could see him playing in a t shirt and shorts

Imagine him swanning out in slippers & a house coat

Chalk McHugh · 25-06-2020 2:18pm

Allen giving Selby a snooker lesson in the first four frames. The Jester looking a little peeved. Looks good for Allen winning his first semi final out of his last 7 attempts.

Chalk McHugh · 25-06-2020 3:50pm

I'm enjoying listening to Joe Perry on commentary. Nice soft voice and talks at the appropriate time. Doesn't over do it like Joe Johnstone who never shuts up. Sometimes saying nothing is best as most snooker fans are knowledgable and dont need to be spoon fed the obvious.

gormdubhgorm · 25-06-2020 5:36pm

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Allen giving Selby a snooker lesson in the first four frames. The Jester looking a little peeved. Looks good for Allen winning his first semi final out of his last 7 attempts.

Allen's funny cueing style is serving him well. Selby was given a load of chances to get back into it in the last few frames of it. Could have been 5-3 if he had anything about him.

Chalk McHugh · 25-06-2020 5:55pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Allen's funny cueing style is serving him well. Selby was given a load of chances to get back into it in the last few frames of it. Could have been 5-3 if he had anything about him.

He certainly has an unusual cue action. Very compact. Bit jabby. Strong mentality though which serves him well. Not sure if he's overachieved or underachieved with his talent. Be nice to see him do well at the Crucible but stamina may not be his best asset.

gormdubhgorm · 25-06-2020 6:05pm

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

He certainly has an unusual cue action. Very compact. Bit jabby. Strong mentality though which serves him well. Not sure if he's overachieved or underachieved with his talent. Be nice to see him do well at the Crucible but stamina may not be his best asset.

He never looks healthy at the best of times. I was just thinking how you would think if the heat was going to effect anyone between Selby/Allen you would pick Allen. Plus I was just looking at the scoring in the frames.

http://www.snooker.org/res/index.asp?template=21

Allen got a 92 - 54 - 76 - 80 break.

Maybe the heat Trump was moaning about yesterday disappeared?

Chalk McHugh · 25-06-2020 6:08pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

He never looks healthy at the best of times. I was just thinking how you would think if the heat was going to effect anyone between Selby/Allen you would pick Allen. Plus I was just looking at the scoring in the frames.

http://www.snooker.org/res/index.asp?template=21

Allen got a 92 - 54 - 76 - 80 break.

Maybe the heat Trump was moaning about yesterday disappeared?

Ha. It did actually. They put a few electric fans on before the game and got the temperature to 22 degrees. I have no idea what the temperature was like yesterday. And yes Mark Allen is probably the unhealthiest looking of all the snooker players.

zuutroy · 25-06-2020 6:32pm

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Ha. It did actually. They put a few electric fans on before the game and got the temperature to 22 degrees. I have no idea what the temperature was like yesterday. And yes Mark Allen is probably the unhealthiest looking of all the snooker players.

He's gone on a strict diet and lost 2 stone since the season was suspended.

As for the conditions, the tables are controlled with slate heaters do drive the moisture out and keep the cloth at a fixed temperature so the ambient temperature should have little or no effect on how the table plays.

Chalk McHugh · 25-06-2020 6:43pm

zuutroy wrote: »

He's gone on a strict diet and lost 2 stone since the season was suspended.

As for the conditions, the tables are controlled with slate heaters do drive the moisture out and keep the cloth at a fixed temperature so the ambient temperature should have little or no effect on how the table plays.

Just read that about him losing weight. On 9 June he'd shed 22lbs in 4 weeks by ditching takeaways, alcohol, crisps and chocolate. And you said a further half stone since.

Fair play to him. I've lost 1.5 stone myself in the lockdown so i guess there are some positives to take for people out of this mad time.

Rothko · 25-06-2020 7:23pm

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

I'm enjoying listening to Joe Perry on commentary. Nice soft voice and talks at the appropriate time. Doesn't over do it like Joe Johnstone who never shuts up. Sometimes saying nothing is best as most snooker fans are knowledgable and dont need to be spoon fed the obvious.

I can't stand to listening to him. The constant inflections at the end of every sentence are really irritating.

Chalk McHugh · 25-06-2020 8:21pm

Big win by Allen. Rarely seen Selby being destroyed like that. 9-2 is a bit of a walloping. Two bruisers in the final now. I hope Allen goes on to win tomorrow. And then a nice build up to Sheffield.

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Eurosport are showing the Crucible qualifiers live, i believe. Should be some nail biters there.

Inviere · 26-06-2020 7:28am

What's happened to Selby over the last few seasons? He used to be unbeatable when on form...he seems to have slipped big time?

gormdubhgorm · 26-06-2020 11:00am

Inviere wrote: »

What's happened to Selby over the last few seasons? He used to be unbeatable when on form...he seems to have slipped big time?

It must be just between the ears or application or both. Can't reach those high levels and slip that dramatically. I suppose Williams is a good example of that he was going to quit the game. No desire left, his wife told him to cop on. Then before you knew it he was giving a press conference in the nip after winning the world title.

Can't find the Selby interview after the last Mark Allen game.

Got this instead.

Mark Selby Scottish Open interview 2019 (@1:29)

He seems to have to put in a load of practice to maintain a high standard - not a natural player. More manufactured?

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/may/06/mark-selby-fulfilled-promise-to-dying-father

Chalk McHugh · 26-06-2020 1:35pm

Hard to know with Selby. Definately not a natural talent like Ronnie or Trump and perhaps winning the Worlds three times in six or seven years has taken so much out of him and naturally your hunger may drop a small bit and even 5% less may be enough to lose that manic desire he had. He's a great competitor though so i'd still have him in the running to win a fourth World title as he likes the hard slog and seems to revel in it.

Chalk McHugh · 26-06-2020 1:42pm

That interview Maguire did with Rod Walker yesterday about todays final was awful. Why go to the bother of meeting up outside and sitting for a chat when you ask two questions and then say good luck. I can never warm to Maguire. Seems nervous whenever he's talking and looks like he'd rather be anywhere else. Like it's all a chore. I'm sure he has his support but he's my least favourite player and i'm on Mark Allens side here today, bigtime.

Joe_ Public · 26-06-2020 1:46pm

Hard to put the finger on selby. Still winning two titles most seasons, third on the seasonal rankings, it's not as if he's forgotten to play the game exactly.

But - and it's a very big but - his record in the big 3 tournaments past 3 seasons has been atrocious, one qf appearance in those 8 outings, shocking for a player of his stature. Losing to a lot of average players, i dont know how you explain that. If anything you'd expect it other way round with selby, struggling in the lesser events, comes good in the majors. But not how its going. Maybe 3-4 years at the top is just so attritional, given way he plays, or he just doesnt intimidate guys the wsy, say, Ronnie can. Maybe a combination of things. Hard to fathom really.

Chalk McHugh · 26-06-2020 3:08pm

Slow burner so far this final. Neither player on top form. Lots of errors and poor misses. Still it's pretty even so far. 2-2.

Chalk McHugh · 26-06-2020 4:31pm

Allen really should be 6-2 in front. Not just me saying that as Joe Perry said same. He had some great chances to put himself in a commanding position but some very poor misses and positional play allowed Maguire to steal a couple of frames he scarcely deserved. Maguire will be the happier of the two knowing he's got out of jail and lucky to have parity. All to play for tonight. Get the popcorn ready as it could be a long night ahead.

Chalk McHugh · 26-06-2020 7:57pm

Could be a big turning point in Frame 11. Maguire had started the evening in fine form going 6-4 in front and looked like going another frame ahead but after going into the pack he fouled a red into a corner pocket and Allen held his composure and cleared up. Maguire as usual nearly put his cue through the floor in a fit of rage but anger is a weakness and Allen looks up for the fight.

Joe_ Public · 26-06-2020 7:57pm

Maguire should be 7-4 but unfortunate inoff costs him and leads 6-5 instead. Interesting to see how that bad break affects him.

waynescales1 · 26-06-2020 7:59pm

Maguire very unlucky to not be 7-4 up, after accidentally knocking in that red.

His reaction there, thumping his queue off the ground. He seems capable of extreme anger. I’d say he’d like to be able to vent a bit more than is acceptable in snooker. If he played tennis he’d probably break 2 or 3 rackets a match.

Chalk McHugh · 26-06-2020 8:01pm

waynescales1 wrote: »

Maguire very unlucky to not be 7-4 up, after accidentally knocking in that red.

His reaction there, thumping his queue off the ground. He seems capable of extreme anger. I’d say he’d like to be able to vent a bit more than is acceptable in snooker. If he played tennis he’d probably break 2 or 3 rackets a match.

Uncontrollable rage coursing through his angry body.

Chalk McHugh · 26-06-2020 8:10pm

Excellent safety there by Maguire has enabled him to win the frame. Deserved lead. 7-5.

Chalk McHugh · 26-06-2020 8:39pm

Pity Ding couldn't have turned up this week. Maguire is going to do a 'Denmark' on it and by right shouldn't even be here. But he's made the most of it and taking 105,000 pounds out of Judd Trumps pocket aswel.

Chalk McHugh · 26-06-2020 8:44pm

Allen has not turned up tonight. Has faded badly.

Chalk McHugh · 26-06-2020 9:12pm

Allen butchered position on that pink to clear up and get a140 and take the high break prize off Maguire. Left it too straight and the extra power he had to put into it made it that much harder. He had a good laugh about itall the same. Small change to these millionaire cueists.

Chalk McHugh · 26-06-2020 9:24pm

Another outrageous fluke by Maguire similiar tolast night whereby he misses a red and leaves it over a pocket but snookers Allen behind the green. He's had some run of balls this week.

Chalk McHugh · 26-06-2020 9:35pm

I hope Maguire has used up his annual luck allowance this week. Deary me its been riidiculous.

waynescales1 · 26-06-2020 9:37pm

Nasty snooker, gonna be a miss rule job here.

Chalk McHugh · 26-06-2020 9:40pm

Maguire ready to put his fist through the table. Or the referee. Even the tv camera. Nothing is safe.

gormdubhgorm · 26-06-2020 9:41pm

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

I hope Maguire has used up his annual luck allowance this week. Deary me its been riidiculous.

'Ball Run' Bingham feeling hard done by with his nickname.

waynescales1 · 26-06-2020 9:45pm

Haha, the twists and turns in this 16th and most extraordinary frame of snooker. Loving it.

Chalk McHugh · 26-06-2020 9:47pm

Why did Allen get on that pink so poorly? Brutal stuff. Good entertainment all the same.

Chalk McHugh · 26-06-2020 9:54pm

And there she goes. Maguire has his day in the sun. Good weeks snooker. A cool 250K in his pocket. Maybe he could pay for some anger therapy but probably too late at this stage. Good win for him.

Nice rest for few weeks and then its a snooker marathon in Sheffield. Cannot wait.

Joe_ Public · 26-06-2020 9:55pm

Fun frame. Allen not putting him back on the yellow was a poor decision. Better player by far prevailed anyway.

El_Duderino 09 · 26-06-2020 9:58pm

Ken mentioned that Maguire has a titanium ferrule on the tip of the cue. What's the difference between a brass and titanium ferrule on their tip of the cue?

tanko · 26-06-2020 10:02pm

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Fun frame. Allen not putting him back on the yellow was a poor decision. Better player by far prevailed anyway.

It was a poor decision but it was never a miss, just missed hitting it by a hairs width.

Joe_ Public · 26-06-2020 10:12pm

tanko wrote: »

It was a poor decision but it was never a miss, just missed hitting it by a hairs width.

If ref didnt call it, then that's another thing. I didnt hear him call it, just assumed he did.

Rothko · 26-06-2020 10:17pm

Wish Allen had won that last frame just to make things interested but Maguire deserved it. He's had a lot of luck over the past week but he's also been the best player overall.

tanko · 26-06-2020 10:43pm

Joe_ Public wrote: »

If ref didnt call it, then that's another thing. I didnt hear him call it, just assumed he did.

I’m pretty sure i heard the ref call a miss.
You could see Maguire shake his head at the decision.
I think Allen took on the pot because he thought it was a harsh call.

Chalk McHugh · 26-06-2020 10:56pm

tanko wrote: »

I’m pretty sure i heard the ref call a miss.
You could see Maguire shake his head at the decision.
I think Allen took on the pot because he thought it was a harsh call.

I didn't hear a miss call myself but Phil Yeates said Allen will regret not putting Maguire back in after he missed the yellow so the ref must have called it. You could be right in Allen overruling the harshness of the call and opting to play a shot as a result but sentiment shouldn't have come into it if that was the case.

ArmaniJeanss · 27-06-2020 2:21am

It'd be nice if the commentators would let us hear of the ref called it a miss or not - such a ridiculously bad time for them to give their input and talk over the ref. I rewound it a few times and it still wasn't clear.

I suspect it wasn't called a miss, because it would surely have been a no-brainer for Allen to put SM back in and rack up more foul points. Even if SM gets out of the snooker he will leave Allen another easy snooker or a much easier pot than the one he took on.

fran38 · 27-06-2020 3:30am

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Uncontrollable rage coursing through his angry body.[/QUOT

The comperes Alan Hughes and Rob Walker would introduce Maguire as "One of the nicest fellas on the tour" or words to that effect. I'd always wonder why coz I've met a few of the players down through the years and all were sound guys so why aren't they introduced like that? It's like they're almost giving a subliminal nod to Maguire by saying "Look, we know you're a **** so why not cop the **** on". I'd say he's a powder keg ready to go off on anyone.

Joe_ Public · 27-06-2020 9:28am

Just to clear confusion up, the miss was clearly called. Would have been a little odd if Allen hadnt at least queried it, which is why i was pretty sure it had been called. If it was an act of sportsmanship to play the pot then fair play i guess, but i doubt many in that position would have done the same. The pot is quite gettable but he's then leaving himself an even harder green, no percentage in it at all.

Anyway 20 minute mark in here, you can clearly hear the miss called.

https://youtu.be/0Arh8Spz-vY

tanko · 27-06-2020 10:08am

It was a terrible decision to call a miss on that shot. That’s not what the miss rule was brought in for. Maguire made a genuine attempt to hit it and almost did.
They really need to do something about that rule, it’s not being applied properly.

Inviere · 27-06-2020 10:44am

tanko wrote: »

It was a terrible decision to call a miss on that shot. That’s not what the miss rule was brought in for. Maguire made a genuine attempt to hit it and almost did.
They really need to do something about that rule, it’s not being applied properly.

Certainly not in this case anyway, that was a seriously good effort and shouldn't have been called a miss.

Coral Tour Championship - ITV4 20th-26th of June

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