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selectamatic wrote: »Very true but the sad thing is many more die in even worse ways
I do however feel the widespread publication of the photo is in poor taste. Sure it tugs at the heart strings and hammers home the reality of the plight these people are going through but at what point do these sort of stories become almost propaganda like? I strongly believe in the merits of taking in refugee's but the distribution of these refugees needs to be proportional to the host countries size, wealth and above all involvement in middle eastern conflict. Why has there been practically no mention of the U.S taking refugees they had (and still have) the biggest part to play in the destabilization of Syria and Libya for better or for worse it still remains to be seen but it was mainly U.S arms wielded by rebels which overthrew the two respective dictatorships. The refugees should thus be distributed accordingly U.S first followed by U.K, Germany, france etc. and then towards the end Ireland and the other small less military active Eu states. Also this criticism of Hungary by other world leaders is a bit rich as I'm quite sure if Germany was located more to the east in the direct path of the refugees they too would be throwing up razor wire to beat the band.
Its not that I disagree with you - but I dont think we can say "well, we will step up, after the US, UK...." that's not much good to the people that dying right now...
Its a bit like saying "well, the US, UK... started it"
I dont know the answer myself, but I just dont think we should hide behind them.0 -
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Username John wrote: »Its not that I disagree with you - but I dont think we can say "well, we will step up, after the US, UK...." that's not much good to the people that dying right now...
Its a bit like saying "well, the US, UK... started it"
I dont know the answer myself, but I just dont think we should hide behind them.
I know it's a harsh way to view things but facts are facts the U.S did indeed start it and sort of guilt tripped the rest of the "allies" into following suit, now we all know the dictatorships that ruled Libya and Syria were no eutopian government but in my opinion they were better off left in charge than backing leaderless rebels who in some instances have very strong Isis connections. Ireland has and will continue to have a good record in foreign aid and hosting refugees proportionate to our size (a 4 million population is a drop in the ocean) however it's naive to think we can make a telling difference without the bigger and more military involved countries making the first humanitarian move.0 -
selectamatic wrote: »Very true but the sad thing is many more die in even worse ways I do however feel the widespread publication of the photo is in poor taste. Sure it tugs at the heart strings and hammers home the reality of the plight these people are going through but at what point do these sort of stories become almost propaganda like? I strongly believe in the merits of taking in refugee's but the distribution of these refugees needs to be proportional to the host countries size, wealth and above all involvement in middle eastern conflict. Why has there been practically no mention of the U.S taking refugees they had (and still have) the biggest part to play in the destabilization of Syria and Libya for better or for worse it still remains to be seen but it was mainly U.S arms wielded by rebels which overthrew the two respective dictatorships. The refugees should thus be distributed accordingly U.S first followed by U.K, Germany, france etc. and then towards the end Ireland and the other small less military active Eu states. Also this criticism of Hungary by other world leaders is a bit rich as I'm quite sure if Germany was located more to the east in the direct path of the refugees they too would be throwing up razor wire to beat the band.
I think we should do what WE can, never mind what others are doing. This isn't a quota thing where we're dealing with inanimate objects where there is no impact if we just take 600/1000/5000 , every family that's not taken into somewhere is a family left in the wilderness of human society uncared for.
If for a second anyone thinks that by not taking in these people, that somehow we will have no homelessness, no HSE issues, and some sort if Irish utopia - this is completely fooling yourself !
This poped up on facebook, thought I'd add it in..
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I don't really think for a second anyone here is actually advocating for Ireland not to take refugees that's just down right heartless. What I do want to see however is the countries who actively partake in middle eastern revolutions and conflict take the lions share as let's face it they are big enough and wealthy enough to deal with a greater number of refugees but above all they have more of a moral obligation to them.
Also while the pic above has a solid moral base lets not compare two inherently different scenarios, to imply that our Irish ancestors were welcomed with open arms to America and other countries does them a great disservice they were treated in general like animals and were set to work in the lowest of the low conditions building railways etc. it was very much a case of working from the bottom up, and they were treated as such (no blacks, no dogs and no Irish) America at the time was and I suppose still is a country built on immigration so that picture really is comparing two fundamentally different scenarios. 0 -
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