Arsenal Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2020/2021

29-11-2020 10:32pm

greendom wrote: »

Depressing stuff. This can't carry on. I was Arteta's biggest supporter but it's beginning to feel like a mistake. The team is in a rut. What can Arteta do to lift us out of it?

Hopefully he can draw on his experience as a top level manager. Oh wait, never mind.

29-11-2020 10:34pm

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Wtf happens?

Where's the arsenal side who beat city, Chelsea and United of recent?

What's happened to our defence?

Only United was in the league. And again, United being a joke was the only thing giving me any joy in football the last wee while.

Jmac24128 · 29-11-2020 10:36pm

Ye can all save this post.

Guarantee we beat spurs.

Azatadine · 29-11-2020 10:36pm

https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/k3huo1/crazy_stat_from_the_game_tonight_speaks_volumes/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

29-11-2020 10:38pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Oh yes it has.
Gutless players will get you nowhere. Powder puffs. Afraid to put in a challenge.
It has everything to do with it.

Balls don't score goals, and that's our biggest problem. Being a plucky team full of balls like Stoke is not what we should be aiming for.

emmetlego · 29-11-2020 10:38pm

That hurt. Mostly because it confirmed the Villa game wasn't a once off.

I'm sick to death of Xhaka now. Really am. Very disappointed with Ceballos, a lad who I thought had a lot of potential. Willock was OK tonight I thought (not a very popular belief here I see). So having 1 of 3 midfielders being just OK and the other 2 ****e, then that's a bad start.

Saka, Auba were both below par. Willian was OK. Bellerin was shocking again.

Most teams double up on Traore to quiten him, so Tierney was left out to dry tonight. I never want Luiz on frees again.

Leno was OK, think that goal was deflected.

As for the gaffer. I'm worried. I really like him. Think he is a breath of fresh air after the "ebening" man. But the players need a long hard look at themselves. Not sure Mikel has the ability to turn them around. That was bad tonight.

And now up next is that lot who are flying at the moment. A bad loss to them and the pressure will really mount on Mikel. I'm very worried.

29-11-2020 10:47pm

Quazzie wrote: »

Leno - will be established #1
Bellerin - Senior squad member, possibly leave if a good offer comes in.
Luiz - retired after helping Gabriel develop into a better player
Gabriel - established in the team, and our best CB.
Tierney - established in the team, and among the best in the league
Ceballos - gone from the club after completing his stop gap year
Xhaka - sold
Willian - retired after helping Martinell develop
Willock - didn't prove to be good enough to start and was sold or just a squad player.
Saka - proven English international and improved year on year
Aubameyang - club captain but close to retiring now

The above is today's starting XI and where they feature is Artetas plan as stated in 2 years time.

Arteta is not doing good enough at the moment, but look at the standard of player he is having to use. Willock doesn't get anywhere near any other top 6 side. The same with Willian. It's a long term project.

So Arteta's plan is that like 7 of today's starting lineup will be gone at the start of the 2022 season?

tayto lover · 29-11-2020 10:48pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

putting in a challenge doesnt get us shots on target and that is what gets goals and wins games

It often gets you possession and takes it away from the opposition.
You cannot have a shot without having possession.
Winning possession is so important.
Also you won’t even have shots without the desire needed.
We have too many soft and small players who are not up to the standard required.

tayto lover · 29-11-2020 10:49pm

Basil3 wrote: »

Balls don't score goals, and that's our biggest problem. Being a plucky team full of balls like Stoke is not what we should be aiming for.

Being a plucky team full of balls like Wolves certainly worked tonight.

Quazzie · 29-11-2020 10:50pm

Deleted User wrote: »

So Arteta's plan is that like 7 of today's starting lineup will be gone at the start of the 2022 season?

Well 2 of them will be retired. 1 will be gone back to his parent club, and the rest will be replaced with better players. Partey has already replaced Xhaka. The club has come out and stated several times that there will be a lot of players coming in to the club soon. It has started already and recent purchases have already shown to be much better suited.

wonga77 · 29-11-2020 10:52pm

Emery currently has Villareal sitting 3rd in La Liga. Maybe he wasn't the problem after all
Something is wrong at the club. there's a staleness that's hard to shake off.
We're exactly 1 year on since Emery has sacked and I cant say i enjoy watching us anymore than I did a year ago

tayto lover · 29-11-2020 10:52pm

Keane is right about the softness and lack of fight.
Not often I agree with him.

Quazzie · 29-11-2020 10:54pm

wonga77 wrote: »

Emery currently has Villareal sitting 3rd in La Liga. Maybe he wasn't the problem after all
Something is wrong at the club. there's a staleness that's hard to shake off.
We're exactly 1 year on since Emery has sacked and I cant say i enjoy watching us anymore than I did a year ago

Emery wasn't the problem. The players were, and still are. Unlike the manager though that can't be changed in one go overnight. It takes a long process which Arsenal have already begun.

Azatadine · 29-11-2020 10:54pm

wonga77 wrote: »

Emery currently has Villareal sitting 3rd in La Liga. Maybe he wasn't the problem after all
Something is wrong at the club. there's a staleness that's hard to shake off.
We're exactly 1 year on since Emery has sacked and I cant say i enjoy watching us anymore than I did a year ago

At the moment, we are worse.

CatInABox · 29-11-2020 10:55pm

I purposefully choose not to watch, follow, or be in anyway interested in the match tonight, and I'm sorry to say that I made the right choice.

The last few years have just been sad.

Soups123 · 29-11-2020 11:00pm

Jmac24128 wrote: »

Still think you are judging too soon on him. He really cares and loves the club but it's so ****ing hard with these players..they have left Wenger down, they have left Emery down and now they are ****ing over Arteta.

Trust the man, I know I would puty faith in Arteta hands over those players hands, they are gutless pay check collectors. Look at Emery now, flying at Villarreal. Players are to blame. Need to get them out. A good shot of them gone this summer and move onwards. Still think we can get back on track this season with martinelli and partey and Mari been fit and in the starting 11.

I’m not disagreeing with you, I’m all for giving him time and the fact the players are cat. I just think it’s unraveling on him.

He’s not going to overhaul the squad to the extent you want in any reasonable time. He does need to cut some lose from his PL starting options. He’s doing exactly what Emery did turning to the same young players who are not good enough and believing he can change some of the serial offenders.

He’s changed our attack to the detriment of Auba and he’s paying for that, I think he’s lost Auba along the way

wonga77 · 29-11-2020 11:15pm

The only shining light from tonight is that our November goal of the month won't be a ****ing penalty

Azatadine · 29-11-2020 11:17pm

Chris Wheatley (@ChrisWheatley_) Tweeted:
Arteta on Partey: "I don't think he will be with us in the next few games."

https://t.co/G27JJblwBO https://twitter.com/ChrisWheatley_/status/1333169906146304001?s=20

emmetlego · 29-11-2020 11:19pm

I'm alive long enough to remember, especially with sports teams/clubs etc, these things are cyclical. We will come good again. We've had a few years of **** club management from the board and the backroom team. That appears to have changed now, there's been a clear out. We will come good again. We just have to tolerate and mitigate in the mean time.

emmetlego · 29-11-2020 11:21pm

FFS. Partey has been fully Arsenalised!!!

L'prof · 29-11-2020 11:35pm

Jmac24128 wrote: »

Ye can all save this post.

Guarantee we beat spurs.

I won’t because I really, really, really hope you’re right...but you’re not :pac:

Azatadine · 29-11-2020 11:43pm

emmetlego wrote: »

FFS. Partey has been fully Arsenalised!!!

Yep, 6-8 weeks apparently.

Ol' Donie · 29-11-2020 11:56pm

From what I can see, that spanner who all of a sudden left the club for no clear official reason, Raul Sanlehi - he of the contacts book - signed a bunch of players that were not in the best interest of the club.

Hard enough trying to fight it out in this league when we're not all pulling in the same direction. For my money, this has been a problem since that other lowlife Gazidis turned up.

Hopefully we have some unity now, although it seems Edu is friendly enough with one or more of these super agent snakes.

Azatadine · 29-11-2020 11:58pm

https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/k3j5ka/gabriel_has_scored_just_as_many_league_goals_as/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Sums it up for sure.

Quazzie · 30-11-2020 12:01am

The two questionable signings so far have been Luiz extension and Willian. I think Luiz was given the extension because he's still a valid first team player, and also to mentor Gabriel in his first season. Willian is there to mentor Martinelli.

Ol' Donie · 30-11-2020 12:04am

Quazzie wrote: »

The two questionable signings so far have been Luiz extension and Willian. I think Luiz was given the extension because he's still a valid first team player, and also to mentor Gabriel in his first season. Willian is there to mentor Martinelli.

Nay, Pepe's comical fee and the deals given to Cedric Soares and Pablo Mari were preposterous for a team with our resources.

Quazzie · 30-11-2020 12:05am

Ol' Donie wrote: »

Nay, Pepe's comical fee and the deals given to Cedric Soares and Pablo Mari were preposterous for a team with our resources.

Filling the bench with low cost experienced players is better than relying on youth. Obviously with the injuries sustained by both that didn't work out, but it still doesn't make them bad signings long term.

Pepe though was a bad one. I don't think he was under the current system though.

Francie Barrett · 30-11-2020 12:38am

It's hard to be too critical of Arteta. He's inherited an absolute clusterfcuk of a situation.

Your biggest earner, Ozil looked a shadow of himself even during Emery's reign. When Arteta came back, he gave him every chance, but Ozil struggled badly. Arteta's ability to do anything in the transfer market is hugely constrained until that £350k a week is off the books this Summer.

Pepe has also been a disaster, a player that was apparently signed by the club, and not Emery. He looks far short of the type of quality you'd associate with a player who cost what he did. My guess is he will be gone at the end of this season.

There's also a few other headcases in the team who Arteta has inherited that will also be shifted in due course. The whole thing is going to take time quite frankly.

The real person I would be taking issue with is the person who is in charge of contracts and recruitment. The situation reminds of Liverpool a few years back when we were broke, but still signing rejects like Joe Cole and Milan Jovanovic on £100k+ contracts because they were "free". It seems to be that Arteta is not fully in control of recruitment (I am not sure if he even has the final say).

al87987 · 30-11-2020 12:46am

Quazzie wrote: »

The two questionable signings so far have been Luiz extension and Willian. I think Luiz was given the extension because he's still a valid first team player, and also to mentor Gabriel in his first season. Willian is there to mentor Martinelli.

I think you give far too much credence to mentorship, nobody is getting a multi million pound football deal to be a mentor.

Ol' Donie · 30-11-2020 1:07am

al87987 wrote: »

I think you give far too much credence to mentorship, nobody is getting a multi million pound football deal to be a mentor.

Plus coaches are supposed to do the coaching.

Players do the actual playing. Willian is a bleedin player.

30-11-2020 1:16am

emmetlego wrote: »

I'm alive long enough to remember, especially with sports teams/clubs etc, these things are cyclical. We will come good again. We've had a few years of **** club management from the board and the backroom team. That appears to have changed now, there's been a clear out. We will come good again. We just have to tolerate and mitigate in the mean time.

If we don't win the league next season we'll then be in the longest period we've ever gone without winning the league since the 1920s.

Gizmo55 · 30-11-2020 1:22am

Deleted User wrote: »

If we don't win the league next season we'll then be in the longest period we've ever gone without winning the league since the 1920s.

1971-1989
2004-2022

30-11-2020 1:34am

Francie Barrett wrote: »

It's hard to be too critical of Arteta. He's inherited an absolute clusterfcuk of a situation.

He has zero business managing Arsenal. It really is that simple. It's delusion to expect someone with no experience other than following around a manager who can spend half a billion on a goalkeeper and defenders to magically be a top-level manager at a struggling club.

30-11-2020 1:38am

Gizmo55 wrote: »

1971-1989
2004-2022

Yeah it we don't win it next season it will be at least 04-23 so it will be longer.

L'prof · 30-11-2020 6:12am

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah it we don't win it next season it will be at least 04-23 so it will be longer.

If??? :pac:

Azatadine · 30-11-2020 7:40am

:-)

https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/k3msln/this_is_a_shtpost_but_i_found_it_funny_and_i_have/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Sheep breeder · 30-11-2020 9:07am

Francie Barrett wrote: »

It's hard to be too critical of Arteta. He's inherited an absolute clusterfcuk of a situation.

Your biggest earner, Ozil looked a shadow of himself even during Emery's reign. When Arteta came back, he gave him every chance, but Ozil struggled badly. Arteta's ability to do anything in the transfer market is hugely constrained until that £350k a week is off the books this Summer.

Pepe has also been a disaster, a player that was apparently signed by the club, and not Emery. He looks far short of the type of quality you'd associate with a player who cost what he did. My guess is he will be gone at the end of this season.

There's also a few other headcases in the team who Arteta has inherited that will also be shifted in due course. The whole thing is going to take time quite frankly.

The real person I would be taking issue with is the person who is in charge of contracts and recruitment. The situation reminds of Liverpool a few years back when we were broke, but still signing rejects like Joe Cole and Milan Jovanovic on £100k+ contracts because they were "free". It seems to be that Arteta is not fully in control of recruitment (I am not sure if he even has the final say).

Have to agree with what your saying above, the cancer is a big problem on 350k a week and the few headcases have to be moved on from the club. It’s going to take time to rebuild a new team like the way Liverpool had to do to improve.
On yesterday’s game Wolves are a good team and well set out with a very good manager who has the dressing room playing for him and has bought good players with no big fuss. Possibly the best player yesterday was a 34 year old who has being a big part of Wolves success in the last couple of years.

We need to be patient and hope more of a clear out of the dead wood happens in the next transfer window and in the summer.

Sheep breeder · 30-11-2020 9:09am

Deleted User wrote: »

He has zero business managing Arsenal. It really is that simple. It's delusion to expect someone with no experience other than following around a manager who can spend half a billion on a goalkeeper and defenders to magically be a top-level manager at a struggling club.

Who should be managing instead of him, or more to the point who would want the job

wonga77 · 30-11-2020 11:13am

Poor ole Jimenez had surgery on a fractured skull after the match. Seems to be doing ok which is good news. If something like that happened in an amateur match with no medical help around things would end badly

wonga77 · 30-11-2020 11:16am

https://twitter.com/i/status/1333156808542838785

Ol' Donie · 30-11-2020 12:17pm

Am I right in saying we've lost 3 of our 5 home league games this season, and we haven't played a single one of the big 6 (at home) yet?

greendom · 30-11-2020 12:40pm

wonga77 wrote: »

Poor ole Jimenez had surgery on a fractured skull after the match. Seems to be doing ok which is good news. If something like that happened in an amateur match with no medical help around things would end badly

Great news, it is a very serious injury though, wonder if he'll ever play again.

Pogue eile · 30-11-2020 12:40pm

Ol' Donie wrote: »

Am I right in saying we've lost 3 of our 5 home league games this season, and we haven't played a single one of the big 6 (at home) yet?

You are kind of right, there is absolutely no such thing as a big 6 anymore.

jonneymendoza · 30-11-2020 2:50pm

greendom wrote: »

Great news, it is a very serious injury though, wonder if he'll ever play again.

Lets be frank.

Wolves and leicester are more than capable of beating spurs, chelsea, united, city and liverpool

30-11-2020 3:24pm

Ol' Donie wrote: »

Am I right in saying we've lost 3 of our 5 home league games this season, and we haven't played a single one of the big 6 (at home) yet?

Virtually all of our 'big 6' games are away from home in the first half of the season. The only one we have at home in the first half is Chelsea, and they're not until Boxing Day.

greendom · 30-11-2020 3:43pm

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Lets be frank.

Wolves and leicester are more than capable of beating spurs, chelsea, united, city and liverpool

Sure, but my post was showing concern for the player's long term health

tayto lover · 30-11-2020 7:27pm

Ol' Donie wrote: »

Am I right in saying we've lost 3 of our 5 home league games this season, and we haven't played a single one of the big 6 (at home) yet?

Correct.
Not looking promising.

tayto lover · 30-11-2020 7:46pm

Ol' Donie wrote: »

Am I right in saying we've lost 3 of our 5 home league games this season, and we haven't played a single one of the big 6 (at home) yet?

We’ve lost 5 of our last 8 league matches.
We have 13 points from 10 games.
Emery was sacked at this point last season even though he had 16 points from 10 games.
We have a very difficult fixture list for December. I have my doubts that Arteta will survive. Our form is dire now.

Azatadine · 30-11-2020 7:51pm

We were damning of Emery....

Infogol (@InfogolApp) Tweeted:
Arsenal have created less and conceded more xG per game under Mikel Arteta than when under Unai Emery in the #PremierLeague.

Regression. #AFC ðŸ”´ https://t.co/MrqcnM0qfj https://twitter.com/InfogolApp/status/1333381512771891200?s=20

Ardennes1944 · 30-11-2020 8:27pm

Home to Newcastle in the FA Cup

Arsenal Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2020/2021

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