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Jp McManus and John Magnier Investment Success

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    #32
    KaneToad
    Registered Users Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    ScottCapper wrote: »
    They still create thousands of jobs and do a load of charitable work. Quit being so negative it will get you absolutely no where..

    Charitable work....please....

    Why do you think you hear about their charitable work? Could they not do it anonymously?


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    #33
    NoteAgent
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    Dual wheels wrote: »
    Thank you! Finally someone on this thread that’s not a sheep and has something between the ears
    Fair play to every one of them but going around saying what great men they are is just pathetic, they did very well for themselves but they are no saints let me tell you

    This thread wasn't supposed to be about what great men they are. It was about how well there investments have turned out over the years. You're the one who started the negativity


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    #34
    NoteAgent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭NoteAgent


    KaneToad wrote: »
    Charitable work....please....

    Why do you think you hear about their charitable work? Could they not do it anonymously?

    Magnier's charitable work rarely gets out in the media so its safe to assume he does it anonymously.


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    #35
    marvin80
    Registered Users Posts: 1,817 ✭✭✭marvin80


    NoteAgent wrote: »
    This thread wasn't supposed to be about what great men they are. It was about how well there investments have turned out over the years. You're the one who started the negativity

    He's obviously a troll - talking absolute sh*t with no proof to back it up.


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    #36
    ScottCapper
    Registered Users Posts: 117 ✭✭ScottCapper


    Dual wheels wrote: »
    Thank you! Finally someone on this thread that’s not a sheep and has something between the ears
    Fair play to every one of them but going around saying what great men they are is just pathetic, they did very well for themselves but they are no saints let me tell you

    You are a beta get over it and you always will be with that negative attitude, we are a bunch of lions and capitalists who look up to JP,Desmond and Magnier. Take your commie/socialist ass somewhere else bet your the one looking for free houses off the government!


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    #37
    marvin80
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    This was another successful week of investing for JP:

    On Thursday March 16, 2006, Williams laid McManus £100,000 on Reveillez at 7-1 in the first race of the Festival. It won. In the final race of the day McManus placed £5000 each-way on 50-1 outsider Kadoun in at the Cheltenham Festival. It won. Williams lost over £1,000,000 to McManus that day – and all whilst filming a documentary for ITV.


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    #38
    Dual wheels
    Registered Users Posts: 711 ✭✭✭Dual wheels


    NoteAgent wrote: »
    This thread wasn't supposed to be about what great men they are. It was about how well there investments have turned out over the years. You're the one who started the negativity

    How well their investments have done over the years? You don’t need a thread for that, I think it’s plainly obvious that their investments turned out well, the end


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    #39
    Dual wheels
    Registered Users Posts: 711 ✭✭✭Dual wheels


    ScottCapper wrote: »
    You are a beta get over it and you always will be with that negative attitude, we are a bunch of lions and capitalists who look up to JP,Desmond and Magnier. Take your commie/socialist ass somewhere else bet your the one looking for free houses off the government!

    Lol lions and capitalists!!! Lol raaaar!! You have a gay flag in your profile are you sure your not a pc leftie? Magnier probably wouldn’t wipe his snot with you


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    #40
    marvin80
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    Dual wheels wrote: »
    How well their investments have done over the years? You don’t need a thread for that, I think it’s plainly obvious that their investments turned out well, the end

    That's why a thread was started to list out their investments if possible.


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    #41
    Odelay
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    Dual wheels wrote: »
    How well their investments have done over the years? You don’t need a thread for that, I think it’s plainly obvious that their investments turned out well, the end

    Do you get to decide what there should and should not be threads about?


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    #42
    ScottCapper
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    Dual wheels wrote: »
    Lol lions and capitalists!!! Lol raaaar!! You have a gay flag in your profile are you sure your not a pc leftie? Magnier probably wouldn’t wipe his snot with you

    That gay flag was automatically set as I joined on same month as pride... nah I’m a conservative all the way this country is ****ed with people like you crying creating too much redtape


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    #43
    ScottCapper
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    Heard on Newstalk that it’s Really an Irish thing that people resent other people’s successes. Reminded me of dual wheels.


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    #44
    vargoo
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    ScottCapper wrote: »
    Heard on Newstalk that it’s Really an Irish thing that people resent other people’s successes. Reminded me of dual wheels.

    In the downturn people were tripping over themselves to report neighbours/friends/family to revenue/social.

    Not a word about bas#ard politicians/bankers taking millions.


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    #45
    NoteAgent
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    marvin80 wrote: »
    This was another successful week of investing for JP:

    On Thursday March 16, 2006, Williams laid McManus £100,000 on Reveillez at 7-1 in the first race of the Festival. It won. In the final race of the day McManus placed £5000 each-way on 50-1 outsider Kadoun in at the Cheltenham Festival. It won. Williams lost over £1,000,000 to McManus that day – and all whilst filming a documentary for ITV.

    That was at the height of the Celtic Tiger madness. Poor Freddie William actually got ambushed while driving back to the hotel and was robbed at gunpoint too according to the papers - Not a good weekend for him.


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    #46
    NoteAgent
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    Dual wheels wrote: »
    How well their investments have done over the years? You don’t need a thread for that, I think it’s plainly obvious that their investments turned out well, the end

    This section of the forum is for discussing investments.

    These men have made a number of successful investments which are interesting.

    What don't you understand about that? :D


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    #47
    NoteAgent
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    JP was actually interviewed for a book called Risk Intelligence a few years back. The book is basically about how different people perceive risk.

    JP said that when he's playing someone in Backgammon he deliberately makes mistakes at the start of the match to see if the other guy picks up on them. If they don't he knows he has them beaten and bets big the next round!


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    #48
    Tell me how
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    NoteAgent wrote: »
    JP was actually interviewed for a book called Risk Intelligence a few years back. The book is basically about how different people perceive risk.

    JP said that when he's playing someone in Backgammon he deliberately makes mistakes at the start of the match to see if the other guy picks up on them. If they don't he knows he has them beaten and bets big the next round!

    Id' say JP is smart enough not to reveal any of his core strategies publicly. He has nothing to gain from it unless doing so is in itself part of some strategy. Which I doubt.

    It would be like Jurgen Klopp listening to a guardiola interview to figure out how to beat him.


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    #49
    NoteAgent
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    Id' say JP is smart enough not to reveal any of his core strategies publicly. He has nothing to gain from it unless doing so is in itself part of some strategy. Which I doubt.

    It would be like Jurgen Klopp listening to a guardiola interview to figure out how to beat him.

    Yeah you're probably right. It was an interesting answer though


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    #50
    ScottCapper
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    vargoo wrote: »
    In the downturn people were tripping over themselves to report neighbours/friends/family to revenue/social.

    Not a word about bas#ard politicians/bankers taking millions.

    Capitalism works


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    #51
    Wanderer78
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    ScottCapper wrote:
    Capitalism works


    And its clearly obvious that the neoliberal/neoclassical version of it isnt


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    #52
    Cute Hoor
    Registered Users Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭Cute Hoor


    marvin80 wrote: »
    This was another successful week of investing for JP:

    On Thursday March 16, 2006, Williams laid McManus £100,000 on Reveillez at 7-1 in the first race of the Festival. It won. In the final race of the day McManus placed £5000 each-way on 50-1 outsider Kadoun in at the Cheltenham Festival. It won. Williams lost over £1,000,000 to McManus that day – and all whilst filming a documentary for ITV.

    Kadoun showed astounding improvement in form that day over it's previous couple of runs, 11th in Leopardstown in January and 5th of 8 horses in Punchestown in February losing 4 rating points in the process. Winning at 50/1 is pretty incredible, a professional gambler backing a horse at 50/1 would certainly be unusual, they would normally be looking at short priced 'certaintities'. There was one fool (at least) in Cheltenham that day and it wasn't JP


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    #53
    marvin80
    Registered Users Posts: 1,817 ✭✭✭marvin80


    NoteAgent wrote: »
    JP was actually interviewed for a book called Risk Intelligence a few years back. The book is basically about how different people perceive risk.

    JP said that when he's playing someone in Backgammon he deliberately makes mistakes at the start of the match to see if the other guy picks up on them. If they don't he knows he has them beaten and bets big the next round!

    If that is true it worked a charm here!

    https://www.independent.ie/sport/horse-racing/punchestown/youve-just-got-to-be-lucky-how-jp-mcmanus-won-15m-in-a-board-game-with-us-billionaire-34674598.html


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    #54
    Kauto
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    Cute Hoor wrote: »
    Kadoun showed astounding improvement in form that day over it's previous couple of runs, 11th in Leopardstown in January and 5th of 8 horses in Punchestown in February losing 4 rating points in the process. Winning at 50/1 is pretty incredible, a professional gambler backing a horse at 50/1 would certainly be unusual, they would normally be looking at short priced 'certaintities'. There was one fool (at least) in Cheltenham that day and it wasn't JP

    The horse didnt show outstanding improvement from its previous run. It ran a lovely race in its prep run.

    The horse was also returned at 50/1, so they was shag all money on it. Its probably fair to assume the bould Freddie laid some of it off if he so wished or even backed it at bigger prices on the exchanges.


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    #55
    Dual wheels
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    NoteAgent wrote: »
    This section of the forum is for discussing investments.

    These men have made a number of successful investments which are interesting.

    What don't you understand about that? :D

    Honestly do you really think anybody hanging around on boards has any idea of what these guys investments are... just take a look at Desmond’s IIU website, it’s comical
    And to the closet gay on here, you don’t need to be ashamed of who you are
    I’m more of a conservative than you will ever be, magnier etc are top guys as far as I’m concerned, what I’m getting at is the foolish individuals on here who are so naive as to think that you don’t have to be willing to do what it takes to make it big and nobody will ever know how they made it thus the purpose of this thread is futile


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    #56
    Cute Hoor
    Registered Users Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭Cute Hoor


    Kauto wrote: »
    The horse didnt show outstanding improvement from its previous run. It ran a lovely race in its prep run.

    The horse was also returned at 50/1, so they was shag all money on it. Its probably fair to assume the bould Freddie laid some of it off if he so wished or even backed it at bigger prices on the exchanges.

    If it 'ran a lovely race in its prep run' why did it start at 50/1 in Cheltenham, why didn't all the punters lump on after seeing it run that 'lovely race in its prep run', truth is nobody had it backed in Cheltenham except that very astute gambler JP.

    Did it improve (even a little bit) from Punchestown to Cheltenham


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    #57
    NoteAgent
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    Dual wheels wrote: »
    I’m more of a conservative than you will ever be, magnier etc are top guys as far as I’m concerned

    Can you refrain from using this thread for banging your political drum? Theres a politics section for that. This is about investing and markets


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    #58
    NoteAgent
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    marvin80 wrote: »
    If that is true it worked a charm here!

    https://www.independent.ie/sport/horse-racing/punchestown/youve-just-got-to-be-lucky-how-jp-mcmanus-won-15m-in-a-board-game-with-us-billionaire-34674598.html

    Was thinking about linking this article in the OP but it falls more under gambling than investing.

    Its crazy that the public only found out about this because it went to court. For all his successes he keeps them to himself. Class act!


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    #59
    ScottCapper
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    Dual wheels wrote: »
    Honestly do you really think anybody hanging around on boards has any idea of what these guys investments are... just take a look at Desmond’s IIU website, it’s comical
    And to the closet gay on here, you don’t need to be ashamed of who you are
    I’m more of a conservative than you will ever be, magnier etc are top guys as far as I’m concerned, what I’m getting at is the foolish individuals on here who are so naive as to think that you don’t have to be willing to do what it takes to make it big and nobody will ever know how they made it thus the purpose of this thread is futile

    im not gay you fool haha


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    #60
    Tell me how
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    Can't believe that a thread on the Finance forum about two of Ireland's most successful individuals descended in to childish accusations of being gay within 60 f*ckin posts.

    That's one thing you won't find in any 'top habits of successful people' list anywhere. '#3 - Know when to cut your losses. #4 - accuse anyone who disagrees with you of being gay'


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    #61
    NoteAgent
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    I think the investment in Devro by Magnier was clever. Its always the businesses you never think of that end up being good investments. He should have bought them out IMO it would have made a good complementary business to Coolmore.


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