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Troubleshoot for a new build not posting

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  • 17-01-2020 12:31am
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    degrassinoel
    Registered Users Posts: 10,734 ✭✭✭✭


    Hey lads,

    I'm stuck.. Been building a new machine for the brother-in-law, it's nothing special, reasonably cheap build and i just cant get it to POST at all.

    parts are as follows

    CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 1200 Processor with Wraith Stealth Cooler
    MB: Gigabyte A320M-S2H (Socket AM4/A320/DDR4/S-ATA 600/Micro ATX)
    RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4 2400
    Power Supply: CiT 300W Micro Atx Power Supply

    No video card as it's just a basic workstation type deal for him.
    I can get it to turn on, fans will spin,
    The system and CPU fans ok.
    Using a cheap AOC monitor, with VGA and DVI connections to connect directly to the board, and getting no display at all. Used both connections, resat all the parts and connections, stripped it down to the board twice to double check everything.

    I've had a look around and i'm thinking the power supply isnt enough but.. according to pcpartpicker it's more than adequate, using approximately 150W out of 300W.
    Also, thinking the bios on the board may need updating but, i cant access it without some kind of display hah :D

    Any ideas on how to get this little rig to post?


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    Lu Tze
    Registered Users Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭Lu Tze


    degrassinoel wrote: »
    Hey lads,

    I'm stuck.. Been building a new machine for the brother-in-law, it's nothing special, reasonably cheap build and i just cant get it to POST at all.

    parts are as follows

    CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 1200 Processor with Wraith Stealth Cooler
    MB: Gigabyte A320M-S2H (Socket AM4/A320/DDR4/S-ATA 600/Micro ATX)
    RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4 2400
    Power Supply: CiT 300W Micro Atx Power Supply

    No video card as it's just a basic workstation type deal for him.
    I can get it to turn on, fans will spin,
    The system and CPU fans ok.
    Using a cheap AOC monitor, with VGA and DVI connections to connect directly to the board, and getting no display at all. Used both connections, resat all the parts and connections, stripped it down to the board twice to double check everything.

    I've had a look around and i'm thinking the power supply isnt enough but.. according to pcpartpicker it's more than adequate, using approximately 150W out of 300W.
    Also, thinking the bios on the board may need updating but, i cant access it without some kind of display hah :D

    Any ideas on how to get this little rig to post?

    There isn't any onboard graphics when using that processor. You will need a graphics card


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    KilOit
    Registered Users Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭KilOit


    Need a graphics card. That cpu doesn't have integrated graphics


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    degrassinoel
    Registered Users Posts: 10,734 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    well crap lol thought there was :/

    that sorts that out i guess, thanks lads :)


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    degrassinoel
    Registered Users Posts: 10,734 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    any suggestions on a cheap basic one? cant afford to be flash with this one :/


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    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users Posts: 18,703 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    GTX 750 2Gb - €55

    Or return the CPU and get a 2200G instead.


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    degrassinoel
    Registered Users Posts: 10,734 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    would the GPU RAM type have any bearing on this or would DDR3 type RAM work with this setup?

    just being supereconomic cheap here :D


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    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users Posts: 18,703 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    degrassinoel wrote: »
    would the GPU RAM type have any bearing on this or would DDR3 type RAM work with this setup?

    just being supereconomic cheap here :D

    GPU VRAM has no bearing on anything.

    Also you cannot mix DDR3 + DDR4 on the motherboard; they're physically & electrically incompatible.
    Plus that GPU uses GDDR5.


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    degrassinoel
    Registered Users Posts: 10,734 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    K.O.Kiki wrote: »
    GPU VRAM has no bearing on anything.

    Also you cannot mix DDR3 + DDR4 on the motherboard; they're physically & electrically incompatible.
    Plus that GPU uses GDDR5.

    Yep, so just the GPU ram being DDR3 would work, but not actual stick DDR3 RAM?


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    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users Posts: 18,703 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    I don't follow your question.

    Nothing in these scenarios is DDR3.


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    #11
    degrassinoel
    Registered Users Posts: 10,734 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    was looking at picking this up for the machine, https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01AY78MLM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    it's pretty cheap but it's DDR3, that's what i meant, would that video card be alright with the build above?


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    K.O.Kiki
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    degrassinoel wrote: »
    was looking at picking this up for the machine, https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01AY78MLM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    it's pretty cheap but it's DDR3, that's what i meant, would that video card be alright with the build above?

    Spend the extra €14.
    The GT 710 is an abomination.
    I'd wager that with DDR3 on-board it might even cause slowdown on websites.

    *edit*
    You can get a GTX 750 1Gb on CEX for €50, making it only €9 more expensive than the GT 710.
    Or hell, maybe a HD 6450 or HD 6670 but I'm not sure how well they play with Ryzen.


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    degrassinoel
    Registered Users Posts: 10,734 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    Yeah, that GTX 750 might be an option alright, what are CEX like for delivery times? 2-3 days i'm guessing?


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    degrassinoel
    Registered Users Posts: 10,734 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    Have a video card in the machine now, still have the same problem with no display, everything spins up alright, both the cpu fan and the system fan, leds come on, on the keyboard and mouse is getting power too, no fan on the GPU so i'm not sure about that, there's just no display at all..

    i'm completely stumped with this lads :/


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    Krombopulos Michael
    Registered Users Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭Krombopulos Michael


    Would that GPU not require a 450W power supply, and I think you mentioned you have 300W.

    Do you have a spare PSU that you could hook up as a test to the board and GPU etc. that has 450W or better?


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    degrassinoel
    Registered Users Posts: 10,734 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    dont have a spare one i can hook up, as far as power goes, pcpartpicker is saying it's using 169W..


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    Krombopulos Michael
    Registered Users Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭Krombopulos Michael


    Monitor working for other PC/Laptops? Correct Input Selected? Cables working?


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    degrassinoel
    Registered Users Posts: 10,734 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    yep, checked two monitors, one new, one old, both work - just no display while plugged into the GPU, not the board. tried plugging into the board too knowing full-well at this point that the cpu doesnt have display.. just to be sure :D
    even tried using the DVI and VGA cables from an older allinone machine, both known to be working, neither show display.

    Only thing i can guess is, maybe the bios isnt the right version, which is odd because it's supposed to be according to the box it came in


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    Homelander
    Registered Users Posts: 4,364 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Bios won't be an issue as it's a 1st generation Ryzen. Could be one of a few things. Bad motherboard, bad power supply, bad ram....could even be a bad graphics card if you bought it 2nd hand, cex are not exactly known for reliably testing stuff.

    CIT power supplies are also the lowest, worst of the low, so that could be the problem. best thing is to just build the machine outside the case with just motherboard/cpu installed, power supply connected, card installed. see if you get anything.


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    degrassinoel
    Registered Users Posts: 10,734 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    breadboard it, yeah i'll give it a shot, but seriously, so much hassle with this so far, it's become more expensive than the hassle is worth i may end up returning the CPU and board to amazon anyway. Literally spend days on this, thinking it's just an hour or two build and get windows running on it :(


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    #21
    degrassinoel
    Registered Users Posts: 10,734 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    stripped it down, rebuilt it outside of the case, just the Power Supply, GPU, CPU and Ram.. still no display, cpu fan comes on and stays on until i unplug it, no display from DVI or VGA.

    Unless anyone has any other suggestions, i'm gonna try for a refund for the cpu and board. I'm so frustrated with it at this stage, was meant to be built for my brother-in-law, who has down syndrome, so it's his money really and i'm not willing to spend any more of his cash on it.


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    Krombopulos Michael
    Registered Users Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭Krombopulos Michael


    degrassinoel wrote: »
    stripped it down, rebuilt it outside of the case, just the Power Supply, GPU, CPU and Ram.. still no display, cpu fan comes on and stays on until i unplug it, no display from DVI or VGA.

    Unless anyone has any other suggestions, i'm gonna try for a refund for the cpu and board. I'm so frustrated with it at this stage, was meant to be built for my brother-in-law, who has down syndrome, so it's his money really and i'm not willing to spend any more of his cash on it.

    I may have an old GPU kicking around my home office that I could send you to test the parts. If the screen still didnt display, it would leave to other component being damaged. If it works, than its your GPU.

    Let me check when I get home what it is.


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    degrassinoel
    Registered Users Posts: 10,734 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    Krombopulos Michael wrote: »
    I may have an old GPU kicking around my home office that I could send you to test the parts. If the screen still didnt display, it would leave to other component being damaged. If it works, than its your GPU.

    Let me check when I get home what it is.

    I appreciate the offer Krombopulos, i'm gonna go ahead and send the parts back to amazon though. Cheers man.

    And thanks for the help folks, frustrating as it is, i do genuinely appreciate it.


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    Krombopulos Michael
    Registered Users Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭Krombopulos Michael


    Well when you get your refund, check the boards for sale thread, and you may find a cheap system that would suit your needs.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056460344&page=90


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    Irishder
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    is the power reset button going from the case to the motherboard correctly orientated?


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    degrassinoel
    Registered Users Posts: 10,734 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    Irishder wrote: »
    is the power reset button going from the case to the motherboard correctly orientated?

    thought along those lines too at first, checked it about a dozen times over, no joy.

    I've gotten the refund from amazon already, which was kind of weird seeing as i literally dropped into the post office at around 4 today, they approved it about a half hour ago there.


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