Title shot for Machida?

agardiner22 · 04-02-2009 12:32am #1

Do the MMA lovers have an opinion on this due to his dominant win over Thiago Silva?

04-02-2009 12:35am

He should be due a title shot after another 8 - 10 wins.

No, Dana said if Rampage beats Jardine then machida will fight the winner of Rampage vs Evans, if Jardine wins then Machida will fight Evans next.

Machida is feckin awesome by the way.

Nothingcompares · 04-02-2009 12:37am

I think Rampage deserves a shot at his title. I think Rampage and Machida will beat Evans. I think Rampage and Machida would be very interesting fought over 5 rounds for a championship. 3 rounds, leaves more room for a indecisive decision.

The Sparrow · 04-02-2009 1:22am

I don't really see anybody at light heavyweight who would be favourite to beat Machida so yeah by that criteria he should definitely get a title shot. I think UFC are a bit scared that fans will find him boring but I love his style.

I think he would beat Rashad. Not so sure about Rampage but if I had to bet I would pick Machida.

ginoginelli · 04-02-2009 1:50am

He deserves it anyway. If Jackson loses, its machida, if he wins, he'll prolly fight machida as his first defense. If its the latter, machida may end up sidelined and not getting his title shot for the best part of a year. The Ufc really have handled this badly.

What the hell is rampage doing fighting jardine anyway? its pointless and only suceeds in slowing down the title schedule. I know they need a big bout for 96 or whichever one, but it really puts a spanner in the works.

Fozzy · 04-02-2009 2:08am

ginoginelli wrote: »

What the hell is rampage doing fighting jardine anyway? its pointless and only suceeds in slowing down the title schedule. I know they need a big bout for 96 or whichever one, but it really puts a spanner in the works.

Evans wasn't ready to fight and they needed a main event for that show. That's about it

If Machida manages to finish his fights then I think that he'd be a big star. He's been learning to speak English, which, like it or not, counts a lot towards how the UFC fans see someone. He's got this strange charisma about him, he's like a guy from another era transplanted from Japan into the UFC

I don't think that anyone can beat him right now

Bubs101 · 04-02-2009 3:33am

They should put him in there with Forrest before he gets a title fight because that match itself would draw and if Lyoto beat Forrest his public profile would increase dramatically and if he loses they can rehab him against Rampage and have another big fight on. That division should become a massive massive money maker because there's nobody who's that much better than the rest

DeVore · 04-02-2009 4:27am

I seriously dont get how people think he's a boring fighter!?! I think he's the most interesting thing to come out of UFC for a good while. Its fascinating to see his style against the almost ubiquitous MT&JJ proponents (I have great respect for both arts by the way, its a tribute to them that many MMA fighters consider them indispensible). MMA for me was about pitching various styles and style-mixes against each other and Machida is there showing what his art can do when mixed in the right combination with others.

As for finishing his fights, he's not here to get smacked about for our amusement. There is a set of rules and he fights to win within those rules. God, how awful that a fighter tries to avoid damage while doing it to his opponent.

He fights his way. He wins his way. Its either about entertaining the baying crowd in which case lets have them fighting in mud with blindfolds and wrist spikes. Or its about a clinical display of fighting prowess.

DeV.

dunkamania · 04-02-2009 9:04am

I no longer have any objections to Machida fighting for the title on the grounds that hes boring, but I dont think that hes earned it yet. His best wins are over BJ Penn, a lightweight, Rich Franklin, some time back, and Thiago Silva, who hasnt beaten a top 10 LHW fighter.

That being siad, I think Rampage or Evans would beat him. Would really like to see the gameplan Greg Jackson puts together to fight Machida

04-02-2009 9:12am

dunkamania wrote: »

I no longer have any objections to Machida fighting for the title on the grounds that hes boring, but I dont think that hes earned it yet. His best wins are over BJ Penn, a lightweight, Rich Franklin, some time back, and Thiago Silva, who hasnt beaten a top 10 LHW fighter.

That being siad, I think Rampage or Evans would beat him. Would really like to see the gameplan Greg Jackson puts together to fight Machida

To be fair he made Tito, who would have beaten the current LHW Champ had it not been for a point docked for grabbing the fence, look foolish until the last minute of round 3. He's more than earned it IMO. I believe he earned it more than Forrest, Lesnar, Mir, Penn at WW etc.

T-K-O · 04-02-2009 9:23am

Lyoto is the future LHW champ. He would kick the **** out of the average Evans.

dunkamania · 04-02-2009 9:46am

Damnit, forgot to mention Tito, but still, despite his past achievements, its been a while since he has beaten anybody of top calibre.

Sm0ke · 04-02-2009 9:57am

dunkamania wrote: »

Damnit, forgot to mention Tito, but still, despite his past achievements, its been a while since he has beaten anybody of top calibre.

his last 4 fights :

Thiago silvs
Tito Ortiz
Rameau Sokoudjou
Nakamara

yeah, sure they are 4 cans.....

hes the best fighter in the UFC ATM in my opinion. I cant see anyone beating him either.

excellant fighter and will be a dominant force as soon as he gets his title shot

hes been hit less than any ufc fighter and has never lost a round in the ufc.

dunkamania · 04-02-2009 10:31am

A terrible comparison but I cant resist........Kalib Starnes wasnt hit alot in his fight against Nate Quarry either.........;)

Alicano · 04-02-2009 11:55am

Machida reminds me of modern day Van Damme.
Wide stance,clean cut,karate foundation and very clinical..
Whoever is lined up for him next its gonna be gud.
I think Rashad would be found out against an intelligent fighter like Machida.
Bring it on!:)

Utopia Parkway · 04-02-2009 1:17pm

I don't think he'll get a title shot until the end of the year. Up next is Rampage v Jardine and the plan seems to be Rampage v Evans after that assuming Rampage beats Jardine which is not a certainty although it is the likely outcome. I think Machida will then get his chance against the winner of Rampage v Evans but that might not be until next November/December. He can't go that long without a fight so he'll probably have to fight at least once in the meantime.

ShagNastii · 04-02-2009 3:02pm

Was going to start a thread about this but what do you guys think about the other UFC titles? Should be black and white who should be getting shots but its hard to call. Or am I wrong?

DeVore · 04-02-2009 3:24pm

I'd buy the PPV of Evans vs Machida and I hate PPV

Evans has a head you could hit with a breezeblock all day it seems. He's incredibly determined to win from what I can see. Machida is a technical genius imHo but how will he do on the mat?

It would be a great great fight, lets face it, its the fight that will end (and start) a million threads on the internet about the place of "traditional" MA in MMA (please please, lets not make this thread one of them!

)

Machida is smart, he has taken when he knows and mixed it with the new school approach and found something that clearly works for him. I'd love to see him usher in a new era of radically different styles. How cool would that be

DeV.

Bubs101 · 04-02-2009 3:38pm

DeVore wrote: »

Machida is smart, he has taken when he knows and mixed it with the new school approach and found something that clearly works for him. I'd love to see him usher in a new era of radically different styles. How cool would that be

DeV.

That would be awful. The same thing that's happened to boxing could happen to MMA if Machida completely dominates people take after him. One Machida is great, 2 or 3 would be fantastic but 10+ would start to get boring and the novelty would wear off

Nothingcompares · 04-02-2009 3:46pm

DeVore wrote: »

It would be a great great fight, lets face it, its the fight that will end (and start) a million threads on the internet about the place of "traditional" MA in MMA (please please, lets not make this thread one of them! )

DeV.

I apologise. But how is Shotokan Karate more traditional than Muay Thai in your opinion? How is Shotokan Karate more traditional than Kyukushin Karate?

04-02-2009 5:52pm

He is fast becoming one of my favorite fighters. Looking forward to his next fight now . Should he get a title shot ? Its not my call, i think e deserves a title shot but so does other fighters in the division .

Sm0ke · 04-02-2009 7:52pm

dunkamania wrote: »

A terrible comparison but I cant resist........Kalib Starnes wasnt hit alot in his fight against Nate Quarry either.........;)

damn it

i lol'd

+5 internets for this man and no further argument from me

Derek Coleman · 04-02-2009 8:09pm

Yet again The UFC Light Heavyweight Champion Rashad Evans gets overlooked. You people make me sick. :mad:

When Rashad beats both Jackson and Machida you all owe Rashad an apology. Shame on you all!! :P

agardiner22 · 04-02-2009 8:13pm

dunkamania wrote: »

I no longer have any objections to Machida fighting for the title on the grounds that hes boring, but I dont think that hes earned it yet. His best wins are over BJ Penn, a lightweight, Rich Franklin, some time back, and Thiago Silva, who hasnt beaten a top 10 LHW fighter.

That being siad, I think Rampage or Evans would beat him. Would really like to see the gameplan Greg Jackson puts together to fight Machida

He was only learning the ropes of MMA in his early fights too at the time so you have to consider that plus he won easily against Tito and Sukoudju before he embarassed Thiago silva who is still in Sherdogs top 10 LHW

Wacker · 04-02-2009 10:26pm

Deleted User wrote: »

To be fair he made Tito, who would have beaten the current LHW Champ had it not been for a point docked for grabbing the fence,

In my opinion, Tito would have lost that fight had he not grabbed the cage. The judges scored that last round 9-9 (if I recall correctly), so they essentially gave the round to Tito but docked him the point. Now, Evans would have landed a really good takedown had Tito not grabbed the cage, and probably would have had the round awarded it to him (I remember it being quite close, although I have not seen it since it was live), thus tipping the scorecards in his favour.

This doesn't really have anything to do with Lyoto Machida or anything, who I would pick to beat any LHW in the UFC at the moment. I'd rather see him fight one more time before getting the shot though, as there are plenty of lucrative fights for Evans right now and Machida will be a bigger draw after another fight.

ginoginelli · 04-02-2009 11:23pm

tito won the first 2 rounds 10/9. Evans won the seconnd 10/8 with the point deduction. 28/28..

Tito won that fight regardless of the deduction imo.

rovert · 04-02-2009 11:55pm

According to Dave Meltzer Machida or Jackson are the two next in line for the title shot at UFC 100. The decision on which one will made after Jacson/Jardine fight.

Wacker · 05-02-2009 12:15am

ginoginelli wrote: »

tito won the first 2 rounds 10/9. Evans won the seconnd 10/8 with the point deduction. 28/28..

Tito won that fight regardless of the deduction imo.

I see. As I mentioned, I don't remember it that well.

Highnoon · 05-02-2009 8:05pm

Delighted Machida beat Thiago. I hate that thumb across the throat gesture he does after a fight. It seems a very thuggish, unsportsman like thing to do. Think Machida deserves a shot. Can see Jardine beating Rampage though it depends which one shows up on the night. Leg kicking Jardine or knocked out in 45 seconds Jardine.

Think also that Rashad is a deserved champion. He's really had a tough road to the belt (unlike say a Lesnar). Have heard stuff about him being disrepectful etc but as a fighter he's really good. Look forward to his next defence against whomever it turns out to be.

Was thinking a UFC 100 card should have the oldies filling the lower spots. I'm thinking any of the guys still competing like Don Frye, Severn. Tank Vs Shamrock would be fun. Topped off by title fights for the current greats.

DeVore · 05-02-2009 8:17pm

Nothingcompares wrote: »

I apologise. But how is Shotokan Karate more traditional than Muay Thai in your opinion? How is Shotokan Karate more traditional than Kyukushin Karate?

Sorry, I expressed myself badly. More "traditionally used" in MMA (from my viewing of it and if something with only 10 years history can be said to have "tradition").

Not a more traditional art. I dont subscribe to that kind of thing. Anyone who gets out there and practises their art form with discipline and determination gets my respect, regardless.

DeV.

DeVore · 05-02-2009 8:19pm

Derek Coleman wrote: »

Yet again The UFC Light Heavyweight Champion Rashad Evans gets overlooked. You people make me sick. :mad:

When Rashad beats both Jackson and Machida you all owe Rashad an apology. Shame on you all!! :P

Dude, I just said I think he's a great fighter. Or are you overlooking me too

Lets not start with the hate etc, Evans has nothing to prove, he's the champ and a valid one imho.

DeV.

Bubs101 · 05-02-2009 9:20pm

Highnoon wrote: »

Delighted Machida beat Thiago. I hate that thumb across the throat gesture he does after a fight. It seems a very thuggish, unsportsman like thing to do.

After the Benoit incident it seems a little stupid considering the massive cross over in fans as well seeing as it was his gesture for years

Fromvert · 05-02-2009 9:43pm

Bubs101 wrote: »

After the Benoit incident it seems a little stupid considering the massive cross over in fans as well seeing as it was his gesture for years

I dont know how this is relevant. How many boxers/pro wrestlers/fighters etc have made that gesture before. Silva might not know who Chris Benoit is. So what if that is a gesture he used while playing a character in the WWE. Because of what he did, does that mean nobody can use this gesture again for fear it will remind people of what Benoit did.

Derek Coleman · 05-02-2009 9:50pm

DeVore wrote: »

Dude, I just said I think he's a great fighter. Or are you overlooking me too

Lets not start with the hate etc, Evans has nothing to prove, he's the champ and a valid one imho.

DeV.

Ok you're off the hook. But no such luck for the rest of these yahoo's!!

Kazooie · 06-02-2009 9:56am

Fromvert wrote: »

I dont know how this is relevant. How many boxers/pro wrestlers/fighters etc have made that gesture before. Silva might not know who Chris Benoit is. So what if that is a gesture he used while playing a character in the WWE. Because of what he did, does that mean nobody can use this gesture again for fear it will remind people of what Benoit did.

Josh Barnett likes the old 'throat slit' gesture as well. It's all in goood fun.

T-K-O · 06-02-2009 10:19am

Alicano wrote: »

Machida reminds me of modern day Van Damme.
Wide stance,clean cut,karate foundation and very clinical..
Whoever is lined up for him next its gonna be gud.
I think Rashad would be found out against an intelligent fighter like Machida.
Bring it on!:)

The best LHW reminds you of an Actor

. I would be surprised if Rashad is still the champion by the the Machida gets a shot.

Karmafaerie · 06-02-2009 10:58am

The thing I took from being over at the fight last weekend, is that the casual fans do hate Machida.
Mainly it sems, because it's the cool thing to do!:rolleyes:

Because this was such a fans fight however, Machida was being cheered by all the hardcore GSP and BJ fans, who actually appreciate him for what he is.

He must have gotten the biggest cheer in his UFC career, because there was a smaller percentage of the UFC's new "fans" there.

When he knocked out Silva however, the whole stadium did erupt, and I think his showing of emotion, straddling the cage and all, will make him more fans.

I've always loved Machida, and have called him as a future champ years ago.

06-02-2009 11:11am

Bubs101 wrote: »

After the Benoit incident it seems a little stupid considering the massive cross over in fans as well seeing as it was his gesture for years

To be fair Josh Barnett has been doing it for years too.

rovert · 06-02-2009 11:39am

Fromvert wrote: »

I dont know how this is relevant. How many boxers/pro wrestlers/fighters etc have made that gesture before. Silva might not know who Chris Benoit is. So what if that is a gesture he used while playing a character in the WWE. Because of what he did, does that mean nobody can use this gesture again for fear it will remind people of what Benoit did.

Neither do I putting thumb across the throat is well established cross cultural piece of sign lanuage. Im sure must of us have seen it in movies. It pre dates Chris Benoit easily.

Karmafaerie wrote: »

The thing I took from being over at the fight last weekend, is that the casual fans do hate Machida.
Mainly it sems, because it's the cool thing to do!:rolleyes:

Because this was such a fans fight however, Machida was being cheered by all the hardcore GSP and BJ fans, who actually appreciate him for what he is.

He must have gotten the biggest cheer in his UFC career, because there was a smaller percentage of the UFC's new "fans" there.

I dont really see how you can discern new "fans" and the hardcores like this and in a crowd of that scale.

Dragan · 06-02-2009 11:42am

Karmafaerie wrote: »

He must have gotten the biggest cheer in his UFC career, because there was a smaller percentage of the UFC's new "fans" there.

I imagine a large part of his cheer was based around the exciting and rather empthatic end to his fight.

Drunkmonkey79 · 06-02-2009 11:43am

Its hardly a new trend to taunt with a cut throat gesture.

rovert · 06-02-2009 11:45am

Dragan wrote: »

I imagine a large part of his cheer was based around the exciting and rather empthatic end to his fight.

Not to mention it was first non-decision ending to a fight that night.

DeVore · 06-02-2009 12:26pm

The thumb-across-throat sign dates back to at least the 14th century.

Its a technical foul in basketball and banned in the NFL for reasons of sensitivity now.

(just some info for ya's)

DeV.

Dragan · 06-02-2009 12:56pm

DeVore wrote: »

The thumb-across-throat sign dates back to at least the 14th century.

Its a technical foul in basketball and banned in the NFL for reasons of sensitivity now.

(just some info for ya's)

DeV.

Bingo, there is no point in worrying about cross over celebrations, or who did this or that first. Machida snowed a very exciting and very aggressive fighter and he did it in impressive fashion.

If this is the new incarnation of Lyoto then i think he will get his title shot sooner rather than later. I also think he stands a good chance of neutralising the game of the vast majority of fighters that he could face.

I would like to see him get his shot after one more win, which i have no doubt he will rack up.

On another note, Dev, you post in pretty much every forum i do and many more. I actually wonder at times how you get any work done. Let alone all the stuff you do off line.

I thought i had myself a busy schedule but you make me look like i'm on the dole.

Karmafaerie · 06-02-2009 1:05pm

rovert wrote: »

I dont really see how you can discern new "fans" and the hardcores like this and in a crowd of that scale.

Sorry, didn't put that accross well.
I didn't mean new fans, as in people who've only recently started following.
I meant as in the new generation, who follow and go to fights cause it's the cool thing to do.
The UFC is at the stage where it's gaining popularity at an amazing rate, and a lot of people who go to fights, really do expect to see some kind of barbaric human cockfight.
Machida gets booed constantly by these fans.

The genuine fans, whether they be old hands, Ultimate Fighter inductees, or even just people new people to the sport, can respect Machida's skill.

Dragan wrote: »

I imagine a large part of his cheer was based around the exciting and rather empthatic end to his fight.

I was reffering more to the cheers as he came out.
There was a good bit of booing, but all of the GSP and BJ fans seemed to be cheering for him.

Fozzy · 06-02-2009 3:03pm

Karmafaerie wrote: »

There was a good bit of booing, but all of the GSP and BJ fans seemed to be cheering for him.

So there were people who weren't fans of either guy??

I think that you're over-analysing why some people boo Machida. It's because practically all his fights go to a decision and his style makes it appear that he's running away and not going for the finish. The fact that he didn't speak English before definitely played into it a lot too

Derek Coleman · 06-02-2009 3:08pm

rovert wrote: »

Neither do I putting thumb across the throat is well established cross cultural piece of sign lanuage. Im sure must of us have seen it in movies. It pre dates Chris Benoit easily.

Yeah the UNDERTAKER has been doing it for years!

And I think that cut throat sign is not popular these days because of the beheadings of hostages......(i.e. Ken Bigley)

rovert · 06-02-2009 3:13pm

Derek Coleman wrote: »

Yeah the UNDERTAKER has been doing it for years!

And I think that cut throat sign is not popular these days because of the beheadings of hostages......(i.e. Ken Bigley)

You dont see in the clubs anyway.

agardiner22 · 06-02-2009 6:28pm

I thought this was a fans discussion about a title shot for machida
If ye wanna talk about the slitting of the throut gesture make a separate thread for it

rovert · 06-02-2009 7:31pm

Giving this thread the thumbs down I see agardiner22

agardiner22 · 06-02-2009 7:49pm

No this discussion is fine i'm saying it should have its own thread wat do u think rovert

Title shot for Machida?

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