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Retire by 40, 45, 50

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    I would retire tomorrow if I could.
    I used to enjoy working until maybe half way through my thirties. Its lost its shine.
    I would rather do anything than work. I just hate being at someone elses beck and call all the time to earn a crust.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭howamidifferent


    JimmyVik wrote: »
    I would retire tomorrow if I could.
    I used to enjoy working until maybe half way through my thirties. Its lost its shine.
    I would rather do anything than work. I just hate being at someone elses beck and call all the time to earn a crust.

    Likewise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Tea drinker


    biko wrote: »
    Not sure if want to retire at 50. Seems like an awful lot of living left to do and nothing to do every day.
    _Brian wrote: »
    There’s a whole life of stuff to do that’s not work related.

    Yer both right, but IMHO I think one needs a mission in life to get out of bed.
    Defo there is a lot of things to do on the bucket list, and life is probably too short for many of them. For me I think taking a hobby to a part time working could help pay for hobby and keep a few dollars coming in besides.


    I’d love to retire from working off farm in my 50’s but doubt it will be feasible, retiring from work for me though will mean going full time farming rather than doing it on the side while also working and I’ll never retire from the farming.
    Farming can be hard and healthy at the same time. As your body slows down you may not be capable of doing the physical tasks you used to... but if you stop doing physical tasks - then the body really slows down and loses muscle. You probably have the right idea to maintain healthy into old age....


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yer both right, but IMHO I think one needs a mission in life to get out of bed.
    Defo there is a lot of things to do on the bucket list, and life is probably too short for many of them. For me I think taking a hobby to a part time working could help pay for hobby and keep a few dollars coming in besides.

    Well, I found that when I did my bucket list at 32, that many of them were geographical. ie, Asia. So I ended up teaching there initially until i made some contacts, and then, moved into more business management circles. Still, I have to say that I quickly lost interest in business, and returned to teaching, since it gave me much more freedom to actually complete many of my objectives.

    In the ten years since, I've redone my bucket list three times, having completed most of them. There's a few that are simply out of my income range like atmosphere bouncing or space walks. There are plenty of jobs out there that can be found in foreign countries simply because you're white and speak English. Not just teaching but business roles too. While not amazing money, they can be used to offset the costs for your dream activities.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 369 ✭✭shuyin1


    You'd definitely need to supplement it with a hobby. Even billionaires need a purpose. I'd be happy to tinker with motorbikes, do some charity work and catch a few fishes for dinner.

    Not the type to need crazy money for holidays all year round. Heck, if this finance gig was fulltime WFH like now I'd pack my bags now and make a move after lockdown.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,104 ✭✭✭Trigger Happy


    I would love to retire at 50.
    But to fund the gap between 50 and 65 when my private pension kicks in I would need a big wedge of cash.
    See if I retired I would not want to live a simple meek life. I would want to be travelling and enjoying life to the full. And that's expensive.

    So need to keep on working. Maybe retire at 60 though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,447 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    I'm in my early 40s and have been thinking a lot about saving, investing and early retirement for approx 10 years. Several things triggered this - illness and death of family members, the recession, problems in work, finding websites such as Earlyretirementextreme.

    The coronavirus situation has only made me even more aware of my own mortality. Life is quite short and YOLO, some react to this by splurging and living paycheque to paycheque, others like me save hard with the aim of retiring as soon as possible. As none of us can predict the future and when exactly we will die, we can never know the right approach

    From about the age of 23 to 33, I saved a lot but didn't do it consciously or as part of some big plan, it just seemed to happen naturally.

    In terms of my pension I can retire at age 50 with a very small defined benefit pension of about 150 euro per week at current rates. If I combine this with savings and income from investments I should have enough for a modest lifestyle.

    As for how you get into a situation where you can retire early, luck and circumstances play a big part. I had the good luck to inherit both money and a savings mindset from my parents. The money may not have been a huge amount but combined with the mindset was significant.

    They had inherited similar from their parents.

    As a result, they never had any debt (not even mortgage) and neither will I.

    On circumstances - you may end up in a situation that was not of your choosing and had downsides but helped your finances e.g. not doing well with women and not having children and ending up as a middle aged bachelor with a very healthy bank balance.

    Another point I want to make is how decisions, mistakes, events, choices from when you were still a teenager affect your future. This could be anything from an unplanned pregnancy to being convicted of a crime but I'm mainly thinking about the leaving cert here. People say that it doesn't matter and that you can subsequently do anything you want in life. Only partially true, we all have a limited amount of time, money and energy and a ship can easily sail. In my case, IF I had put some different choices on my CAO form and/or IF I had put in more work and turned a couple of my LC A2s into A1s, I would have earned several multiples more money in my career.

    Ultimately, I suppose most of us are slaves to the money - then we die.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,043 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    I'm lucky is so far as I'm 54 and in a position where I could retire on a decent enough pension and because of my contract I get a nice gratuity too.

    Realistically because I've worked up my pension I'm actually working for very little, and the gratuity is doing feck all. But I love my job, I love going to work still, I work with a brilliant bunch of lads who I'm lucky enough to be able to call friends.

    I'm not in a hurry to retire, however if I did and was to settle elsewhere, I'd stay in Ireland (for sure) but I'd have a small piece of land with a man cave for meddling with my motorbikes and not too far from Dublin but not too close either.

    As I'd be living out in the sticks I'd arm myself with a shotgun for that one time the carpet sellers & tarmac layers refuse to take no for an answer and come calling late at night.

    What age will I retire, my job means mandatory retirement at 60.

    Mind if I ask how much you have worked up at 54?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭WAW


    _Brian wrote: »
    Few years shy of 50 myself. I changed to a lower paid job with huge flexibility and a great boss.

    About half my previous salary where I worked in a MN like a slave 24/7/365 rotating 12.5hr shifts and 1.5hr commute each way, did that for 13 years.

    I only go into the office once every two/three weeks and set my own schedule to meet clients.. After this I’ll be making a case to drop my desk in the office altogether and 100% work from home.

    There’s no pension but I’ll have a small pension from previous role and state contributory when the time comes.

    Until then it’s easy going for me. Been home during this crisis on 100% wages for about 5% workload.

    Take holidays when I need them flexible hours no KPIs to meet no annual reviews bullshiit or anything. Any bad weather or warnings i stay off the road and do paperwork at home

    It’s as close to retirement as I’ll need for a while.

    Herself is thinking of early retirement from HSE after current fiasco is over. She could to locum work or contract work for pocket money.

    We have a modest mortgage still but that covers two houses and selling one would easily cover it. But we will keep them on as gifts for our kids.
    Can I ask what you do - would love something like that for himself or myself! Presume you live more rural and don't have a lot of kids.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 317 ✭✭gooseygander


    How much do you think might be needed to be in the account to retire early, say 54, or 55. Assuming mortgage is clear and kids are reared. What do u think needs to be weekly pension or saved to live comfortably ? Views please


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    God if you had a quarter acre to grow food and keep livestock, you could get by on virtually nothing. Bills and utilities and the odd few messages, depending on the size of the house about €150pw. Probably less if you were frugal.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭Stacksofwacks


    s1ippy wrote: »
    God if you had a quarter acre to grow food and keep livestock, you could get by on virtually nothing. Bills and utilities and the odd few messages, depending on the size of the house about €150pw. Probably less if you were frugal.

    You probably could but its a lot easier to go into Tesco or lidl and get your basket of goods which isn't that expensive anyway


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    If you're not really a gardener or chef, it's probably hard to fathom why you'd rather cultivate your own food from scratch. You know the satisfaction when you make a nice meal? I find that completely addictive, it's incredibly satisfying to me to be entirely responsible for the food, from start to finish.

    We've been in the city suburb for two years and we've already managed to set up the garden so we grow about 1/8 of what we eat. After the summer crop it will be more like 1/4 and I'm starting seeds for winter now that will mean we'll only have to top up meat, dairy, staples and pulses with a good quantity of what's grown left to preserve (provided the weather doesn't go to sh!t).

    We're renting so we can't do a lot of the things we'd like, such as maintain an apiary, keep chooks, a duck pond and goats, but there's time yet for all that down the line.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,043 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    How much do you think might be needed to be in the account to retire early, say 54, or 55. Assuming mortgage is clear and kids are reared. What do u think needs to be weekly pension or saved to live comfortably ? Views please

    I guess it depends on the person but for me I feel like it's 1.3 mil


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,780 ✭✭✭carzony


    I'd like to think that there will still be a state pension by the time I retire(27 now). I think pensions might be a thing of the past by then and they will become privatised in the mean time.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 736 ✭✭✭Das Reich


    s1ippy wrote: »
    God if you had a quarter acre to grow food and keep livestock, you could get by on virtually nothing. Bills and utilities and the odd few messages, depending on the size of the house about €150pw. Probably less if you were frugal.

    Not in Ireland with the lack of sunshine you can't grow a lot of things. Anyway the country someone wants to retire, needs to be poor so the cost of life will be cheap and young women will be available. And also not be muslim cause then you would do nothing. Philippines is the ideal. Brazil would be great if it was a safe country. I am speaking for a man point of view. For a retired woman maybe some subsaharian country.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Still waters


    Plasterer by trade for nearly 25 years, took up a lot of other stuff when the recession came to make ends meet, bought a digger, went landscaping, doing a lot of concrete work, bought a truck, went renovating old houses, lots of demolition and hard physical work, work on my own about 70 percent of the time, I'm in my mid 40s now and waiting on an operation on a knee, treating an ongoing sciatic problem and loads of creaks and stiffness in my bones and muscles.
    I'm not looking forward to getting older but i am looking forward to retirement, my body is 10 years older than my brain and its not getting any easier, but I'm actively working towards a partial retirement by mid 50, clear the mortgage and take life a lot easier and try and see more of the world, i used to be hungry for work and money but I've come to realise (maybe because covid19 has forced me to take things a little easier) it's not all about work and money, no amount of money can replace a nice walk looking down on galway bay and the aran islands or sitting outside in the sun with the wife and dogs, life is good with the sun on your face and a good woman by my side, kids might come along to fcuk it all up but i wouldn't mind that either :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,151 ✭✭✭893bet


    s1ippy wrote: »
    God if you had a quarter acre to grow food and keep livestock, you could get by on virtually nothing. Bills and utilities and the odd few messages, depending on the size of the house about €150pw. Probably less if you were frugal.

    What kinda livestock do you think you could keep on a 1/4 acre? While also growing yourself food at the same time?


  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    How much do you think might be needed to be in the account to retire early, say 54, or 55. Assuming mortgage is clear and kids are reared. What do u think needs to be weekly pension or saved to live comfortably ? Views please

    Depends on the person.... Personally I don't need much. I would think 250 a week would be fine.
    Not sure exactly how much my pension will be but around 300ish a week? Plus gratuity on retirement.
    Roll on 54!! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,977 ✭✭✭I says


    I’ve 96 months to retirement, and I’m gone my job is not for old men the way society is going.
    I’ll be plenty young enough to retire and enjoy life.


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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ideally semi - retirement at 50-55 would be my ideal.

    At my current rate, Mortgage paid off at 47, holiday home in Teneriffe, small business on the side to generate income. Might look at a small bar also in teneriffe.

    Great plan, in theory ! My kids will be in thier mid twenties by that stage also , so happy days!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    I figure I would live very comfortable on €1.5 - 2k per month if I had no rent or mortgage. So I think €600000 between pension fund and savings should cover that at 55. And sure if I went to SE Asia for retirement you could half that :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭LuasSimon


    Interesting thread ... you could argue if you were debt free at mid 50s and left work you’d get welfare which is 203 a week until a pension kicked in at 65


  • Registered Users Posts: 23 Cabletiesfix


    Do a job that you love and you'll never work a day in your life


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,615 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    Work part-time from you 50s on it the best thing ever, then a gradual wind down I am not sure going from full-time work one week to retiring the next is a great idea.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    LuasSimon wrote: »
    Interesting thread ... you could argue if you were debt free at mid 50s and left work you’d get welfare which is 203 a week until a pension kicked in at 65

    You still need to sign on and such as you would need to prove you are looking for work. Kind of defeats the purpose.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,043 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    Retirement will be very different in modern society. If you're sitting in Spain for example and you've spent too much this week you can go on clickworker and do some proof reading for a tenner an hour.

    That I think is super. Mindless easy work for a couple of hours as and when you need it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,043 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    LuasSimon wrote: »
    Interesting thread ... you could argue if you were debt free at mid 50s and left work you’d get welfare which is 203 a week until a pension kicked in at 65

    That's 10 years of fraudulent activity


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,615 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Depends on the person.... Personally I don't need much. I would think 250 a week would be fine.
    Not sure exactly how much my pension will be but around 300ish a week? Plus gratuity on retirement.
    Roll on 54!! :)

    You have been paying in to your pension since the age of 14?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    bilbot79 wrote: »
    That's 10 years of fraudulent activity


    Some people spend a lifetime doing that.
    A man works hard for 30 years and then takes 10 years on the dole I think I could forgive him.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,617 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    LuasSimon wrote: »
    Have walked into my local cemetery near me as part of my daily walk in these covid times , it shocks me how many people i knew buried there who were in their 50s and 60s when they passed away. Really makes me question how anyone could work until 67/68 and chances are most will only have 5-10 years of life left to enjoy at retirement and probably not jumping out of their skin to enjoy it.

    60 years of age we should all finish working even if it means welfare for a few years until pensions kick in. If you hate your job 55 should be get out time. Most people will have worked for 35 years at that stage .

    My father worked hard physical jobs all his life. Retired at 66 and was delighted to retire, brought us out for dinner as a celebration. He died suddenly that year having drawn just 7 months of his pension.

    I have a friend who worked on, the company tried to retire him at 65 but there was an omission in his contract and no retirement age was mentioned. He insisted in working on and only retired aged 74 even though his wife had retired 20 years earlier.

    Just before he retired he said to me that he regretted working on so late as his health was slipping.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    Its your life but this mentality I can't understand. You raised your kids well I'm sure but you owe them nothing. Let them take out their own mortgages and see how much it costs.

    I don't understand your mentality - why would you píss away everything, then die and leave your kids nothing.

    I plan to leave my kids the house when I sail off into the sunset, hopefully we'll have the mortgage settled by then.

    Their inheritance will provide them with enough to pay off a sizable chunk of their own mortgages thus making life a bit easier for them. And they can pay it forward for their own kids, when the time comes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    Keyzer wrote: »
    I don't understand your mentality - why would you píss away everything, then die and leave your kids nothing.

    I plan to leave my kids the house when I sail off into the sunset, hopefully we'll have the mortgage settled by then.

    Their inheritance will provide them with enough to pay off a sizable chunk of their own mortgages thus making life a bit easier for them. And they can pay it forward for their own kids, when the time comes.


    Some people like to leave something for their kids. Other like to spend it themselves. Just different points of view. Each to his own. Live and let live I say. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,694 ✭✭✭thesimpsons


    Das Reich wrote: »
    Not in Ireland with the lack of sunshine you can't grow a lot of things. Anyway the country someone wants to retire, needs to be poor so the cost of life will be cheap and young women will be available. And also not be muslim cause then you would do nothing. Philippines is the ideal. Brazil would be great if it was a safe country. I am speaking for a man point of view. For a retired woman maybe some subsaharian country.

    Plenty of fruit and veg can be grown in Ireland. Parents in law have a largeish city garden and grow enough for approx 8 months of spuds, onions, broccoli, peas, asparagus. Also loads of fruit (mainly berries) which is frozen or made into jam to carry through also 8 months as well. Add in herbs and you're well set. He fishes once a week too. I rarely leave leave them after a visit without coming away with a few onions or some fruit. If its only 2 people living together, that takes a big chunk off your food bill at retirement.

    Plan to be retired ourselves by 60 - earlier if a good package comes along. Realised in last few years we can very easily fill a day with activities and relaxation time. Myself and herself all have family who are active well into 90s so hopefully the genes are good for us too.


  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    mariaalice wrote: »
    You have been paying in to your pension since the age of 14?

    no.
    23.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,615 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    bubblypop wrote: »
    no.
    23.

    You would have 31 pension years by 54, so would you really be getting a pension of 300 euro a week at 54 and plus a lump sum? it would be a great pension scheme.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,424 ✭✭✭Aisling(",)


    I'm a civil servant so will probably stay close enough to the retirement age 67/68 but from around 60 I plan on reducing days and taking term time off so I'll still have some wages coming in. I'll have nearer to 50 than 40 years one but the state pensions is included in my occupational pension so there'll be a wait for that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭LuasSimon


    Keyzer wrote: »
    I don't understand your mentality - why would you píss away everything, then die and leave your kids nothing.

    I plan to leave my kids the house when I sail off into the sunset, hopefully we'll have the mortgage settled by then.

    Their inheritance will provide them with enough to pay off a sizable chunk of their own mortgages thus making life a bit easier for them. And they can pay it forward for their own kids, when the time comes.

    With less people able to buy their own homes in this country particularly Dublin it wont be unusual in coming years to leave your children very little or nothing.
    It has been like this in the UK for a number of years due to so many earning minimum wage or close to it and property prices increasing each year. Many people in UK dying and their familys struggle to pay for their burial hence all those ads about putting away a tenner a month so you leave enough for your burial costs . Anyone working for Larry Goodman or Keelings that remains in this country will see that in years to come.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,485 ✭✭✭KevRossi


    I'll be semi-retired in a few years at 54. Intend to spend 8 months travelling each year and 4 months back here. There's a project I can work on for 3 months up to Christmas every year, so that suits me. I'll have income from renting rooms in the house, as well as about €10,000 that I can save over the 3 months work. Will have lump pension sums maturing at 58, 60 and 65. Each one worth about €30K. I don't need much for travelling, intend to have about €18-22,000 per annum for travelling and when it's run out I'll head back here.

    I used to think I'd buy a house/apartment abroad but I gave up on that idea a while ago. Most places are too hot for me in the summer and you can rent a place for little money in winter. Also means I can move around if an area/country does not suit. Once I'm ready to settle here I'll either get a small apartment in a decent, quiet area of Dublin, or else a house back in the sticks where I come from originally.

    That's the plan. Always intended retiring in my 50's, so looks good so far.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭krissovo


    mariaalice wrote: »
    Work part-time from you 50s on it the best thing ever, then a gradual wind down I am not sure going from full-time work one week to retiring the next is a great idea.

    This is my plan, I will change from a full time employee to a contract role at ~50 and aim to work about 5 months in total every year until I am 55. At 55 one of my pensions will kick in so I will start to wind down my contract work.


  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    mariaalice wrote: »
    You would have 31 pension years by 54, so would you really be getting a pension of 300 euro a week at 54 and plus a lump sum? it would be a great pension scheme.

    I'm honestly not sure what it is per week, but it is public service


  • Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭Revit Man


    If I was left to my own devices, I think I could be retired by mid 50s.

    However, I have a wife and family who don't share the "careful with money" mentality, so I'll probably need to work until 85... I'm mid 30s now. Pension pot of about 30K. Not great, but at least it's underway. I started it aged 30.


  • Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Revit Man wrote: »
    If I was left to my own devices, I think I could be retired by mid 50s.

    However, I have a wife and family who don't share the "careful with money" mentality, so I'll probably need to work until 85... I'm mid 30s now. Pension pot of about 30K. Not great, but at least it's underway. I started it aged 30.

    You need to put your foot down. If they complain, say it's 2020, nothing stopping you all earning your own money.


  • Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭Revit Man


    You need to put your foot down. If they complain, say it's 2020, nothing stopping you all earning your own money.

    You're probably right. To be honest, it's hard and wearing to always be saying no, no, no, no to people. I come across the bad guy when I'm just trying to be sensible at times. No we can't go there for 2 nights, it's too expensive. No we can't buy that, we don't have the money for it. Etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    So today what do people reckon would do them during their retirement.
    For me €500 per week would be loads.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    40!


  • Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭Revit Man


    Among others I suppose it depends if you're paying a mortgage or rent.
    500 sounds like a lot, but, you still have utility bills, health insurance won't be cheap, you'll presumably like to go for a holiday or weekend break now and then, eat your dinner or lunch out sometimes etc. I think 500 would be fine, but not a lot less if you want to enjoy a quality of life.

    That said, some don't like eating out, some don't want to go anywhere and are more than happy at that, in which case you might get away with much less.

    Too subjective.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭lisasimpson


    Hope to have the mortagage paid off early. Wouldnt mind retiring around 60 to enjoy travel and me time but kids could still be in college so prob wont happen. Wouldnt mind cutting down to a parttime less pressure job


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    893bet wrote: »
    What kinda livestock do you think you could keep on a 1/4 acre? While also growing yourself food at the same time?
    https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://files.diydharma.org/other/John_Seymour-The_Complete_Book_of_Self_Sufficiency.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi_l5aO7q7pAhXbQhUIHeepA8kQFjARegQIEhAB&usg=AOvVaw1W_pEdk_jUCMp3_ZpvQ3uZ
    Have a look at this, John Seymour's complete guide to self-sufficiency. There are great tips about space management and rotating crops and animals in any size plot.

    You'd keep goats to maintain a small wilded area and for milk/meat, and/or pigs for waste management and compost. A small enclosed duck pond. A few laying hens a and a rooster. Bees would be another important asset and you could also ask anyone with land nearby if you could do some pest control on their land if you wanted game, and fishing would supplement your intake if there was somewhere you could go.

    A polytunnel would be important if you wanted to grow certain things reliably and then a herb and seasonal vegetable garden sorts out the rest. It wouldn't cover everything but it would take care of most things.

    The bigger the space the better, but you can get a lot done with very little.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,043 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    JimmyVik wrote: »
    Some people spend a lifetime doing that.
    A man works hard for 30 years and then takes 10 years on the dole I think I could forgive him.

    You wouldn't be forgiving him you'd be paying him


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