Israeli - Palestinian Conflict Threadbans in OP

Overheal · 14-05-2021 6:09pm

ypres5 wrote: »

They're not doing a good job with the ethnic cleansing considering the Palestinian population has increased from 700k to 5 million in the last 80 years. Better luck next time

Swing and miss. Ethnic cleansing includes the forcible removal of an ethnicity from a given area. The killing of the victim is not a requisite.

If we passed a law in the US to evict all Jewish Americans and ship them to Israel you'd be the first one to argue that it was a) Anti-Semitic as hell, and b) ethnic cleansing. Because it would be.

Housefree · 14-05-2021 6:09pm

ypres5 wrote: »

No thanks I read actual news, not tinfoil hat propaganda

Heres some factual news from Human Rights Watch
Israel is an apartheid state
https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/04/27/abusive-israeli-policies-constitute-crimes-apartheid-persecution.

Or similar news from an Israeli Human Rights organization
'A regime of Jewish supremacy from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea: This is apartheid'
https://www.btselem.org/publications/fulltext/202101_this_is_apartheid

tayto lover · 14-05-2021 6:11pm

votecounts wrote: »

https://twitter.com/molloy1916/status/1393129114580705281

A lot of normal looking people with pure hatred for the Palestinians and the disregard for human life. How did it come to this, would hate to carry this hatred around with me every day.

Sick B’s.

namloc1980 · 14-05-2021 6:12pm

Piss poor response from the EU Commission. Not even trying to "both sides" it.

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Duman · 14-05-2021 6:16pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

Piss poor response from the EU Commission. Not even trying to "both sides" it.

pathetic.

wes · 14-05-2021 6:21pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

Piss poor response from the EU Commission. Not even trying to "both sides" it.

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Honestly, she should resign for that. Unacceptable.

tayto lover · 14-05-2021 6:25pm

ypres5 wrote: »

Throwing a tantrum and insulting people for not agreeing with you, very mature.

You thanked a similar post. Hypocrite.

igCorcaigh · 14-05-2021 6:32pm

KeepItLight wrote: »

The 'both sides are as bad as each other' spiel doesn't align with reality here.

Israel is the aggressor and this is as black and white as conflicts get.

I agree.
Israel is clearly the aggressor.

But conflict also has subjective experiences of hurt on loss, from people, on both sides.
That's what I mean.

igCorcaigh · 14-05-2021 6:35pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

Piss poor response from the EU Commission. Not even trying to "both sides" it.

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Awful.

I had thought that the EU would have the guts to break with USA.
At least in words.

But, no.
They should openly recognise the Palestinian State, and support member states to boycott all goods and services from Israel.

igCorcaigh · 14-05-2021 6:39pm

Conflict spreading to the West Bank OT:

"At least 10 Palestinians have been killed in clashes with Israeli security forces in the West Bank, the Palestinian health ministry says.

The confrontation between Israel and the Palestinians in Gaza has now widened, as many towns and cities in the occupied West Bank have been convulsed by angry protests."

BBC News

namloc1980 · 14-05-2021 6:40pm

Israel now bringing their reign of terror to the West Bank, killing at least 6 Palestinians there today and still the world ignores it.

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igCorcaigh · 14-05-2021 6:50pm

Israel, in my feeble analysis, bets that the status quo can be maintained, given their military might.

But there has to come a time when the unsustainable situation of injustice has to crumble.

I'm not seeing a Berlin Wall situation, but something has to give. It has to

Odhinn · 14-05-2021 6:55pm

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Israel, in my feeble analysis, bets that the status quo can be maintained, given their military might.

But there has to come a time when the unsustainable situation of injustice has to crumble.

I'm not seeing a Berlin Wall situation, but something has to give. It has to

In time. Until then support BDS.

batman75 · 14-05-2021 6:56pm

Shameful that Egypt or any other Arab neighbour of Palestinian Territories simply watch on as their fellow Arabs are slaughtered in large numbers. This simply encourages Israel to act with impunity. Is Israel that superior to them militarily?
That Biden allows Israel to slaughter people like this in huge numbers is a disgrace. If he put his foot down the Israeli ethnic cleansing would stop. For that reason alone, in my book, he is a b*stard. I'm dismayed that Martin hasn't come out and condemned Israel in the strongest terms.

namloc1980 · 14-05-2021 6:59pm

Bibi blaming Arab Israelis for violence in Israeli cities and that only Jews are the victims. And yet people still think this isn't an ethno state.

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wes · 14-05-2021 7:00pm

batman75 wrote: »

Shameful that Egypt or any other Arab neighbour of Palestinian Territories simply watch on as their fellow Arabs are slaughtered in large numbers. This simply encourages Israel to act with impunity. Is Israel that superior to them militarily?

Yes, they are and not just militaraly. The US and rest of the West could crush those countries economically, with the stroke of a pen.

War is not the answer to this. IMO, BDS is the best best to bring Israel to the table and hopefully future sanctions as well.

14-05-2021 7:01pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

Piss poor response from the EU Commission. Not even trying to "both sides" it.

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Appalling. Ireland needs to diverge from that statement.

Israel probably strengthens its actions against the weak off the back of it. Shameful

Overheal · 14-05-2021 7:01pm

batman75 wrote: »

Shameful that Egypt or any other Arab neighbour of Palestinian Territories simply watch on as their fellow Arabs are slaughtered in large numbers. This simply encourages Israel to act with impunity. Is Israel that superior to them militarily?
That Biden allows Israel to slaughter people like this in huge numbers is a disgrace. If he put his foot down the Israeli ethnic cleansing would stop. For that reason alone, in my book, he is a b*stard.

Egypt tried to broker a ceasefire the other day, Israel told them to **** off:

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20210512-israel-rejects-egypts-ceasefire-proposal-for-conflict-with-gaza/

Israel has rejected Egyptian calls for a ceasefire in Gaza. Yedioth Ahronoth quoted high-ranking Israeli political sources as saying that the Israeli response to the Egyptian proposal was: "Do not talk to us now, we are collecting the price and reinforcing deterrence."

Gaza death toll [Infographic]

The political sources added that "the general perception of the Israeli political leadership is that the Egyptians, as well as the international community, will allow Israeli operations until Eid El-Fitr, that is, until Wednesday-Thursday night."

An Israeli political source said that "Israel depends on the result that the Israeli army will achieve. We want the army to intensify the attacks."

A minister and member of the Israeli cabinet for political and security affairs told Yedioth Ahronoth that "the initial strike by the Israeli army should have been ten times more powerful than we saw. We will pay the price anyway, so why did not they respond in a way that shows that this is payback for launching rockets at Jerusalem? Unfortunately, the current logic now is to contain the situation."

The political source noted that the cabinet directed the Israeli army to launch a wide military operation that includes assassinations, targeting infrastructure and weapons stores, and almost any target except for a land invasion while obtaining the cabinet's approval because "there are no restrictions in their way."

Yedioth Ahronoth indicated that, contrary to the claims of the Israeli army spokesman Haidai Zilberman yesterday, the political leadership did not hold the Israeli army back from firing 36 projectiles on Friday evening two and a half weeks ago.

wes · 14-05-2021 7:01pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

Bibi blaming Arab Israelis for commence on Israeli cities and that only Jews are the victims. And yet people still think this isn't an ethno state.

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All the violence I have seen documented on Twitter has solely been on Palestinians, or Jewish people who have been mistaken for Palestinians.

Netanyahu clearly intends to go to war with Palestinian citizens of Israel. Looks like he will go full on Modi now.

Strumms · 14-05-2021 7:02pm

Lots can be done, nothing will be...

Israel could nuke the Palestinian people off the map and you have leaders coming out maintaining they’d been ‘provoked’ or some hokey...

I’d fücking love to know what secrets or what deal the Israelis have under the table with the US, British and certain EU countries.... it’s odd.

batman75 · 14-05-2021 7:04pm

wes wrote: »

Yes, they are and not just militaraly. The US and rest of the West could crush those countries economically, with the stroke of a pen.

War is not the answer to this. IMO, BDS is the best best to bring Israel to the table and hopefully future sanctions as well.

I think war is the only thing that Netanyahu and his hawks understand. Unless they have their ass handed to them on a plate they will continue to act with impunity and treat Palestinians like the Nazi's treated them.

namloc1980 · 14-05-2021 7:08pm

wes wrote: »

All the violence I have seen documented on Twitter has solely been on Palestinians, or Jewish people who have been mistaken for Palestinians.

Netanyahu clearly intends to go to war with Palestinian citizens of Israel. Looks like he will go full on Modi now.

Netanyahu is fanning the flames of an ethnic war. When Israeli citizens who are Arabs are now being framed as the enemy, this won't end well.

I wonder how do the apologists spin this one? They were busy trying to tell us Arab Israelis were equal citizens earlier, yet here we have the Prime Minister labeling them, and only them, as terrorists.

Five Eighth · 14-05-2021 7:08pm

Strumms wrote: »

Lots can be done, nothing will be...

Israel could nuke the Palestinian people off the map and you have leaders coming out maintaining they’d been ‘provoked’ or some hokey...

I’d fücking love to know what secrets or what deal the Israelis have under the table with the US, British and certain EU countries.... it’s odd.

Historical guilt and a powerful Jewish lobby in the US.

Strumms · 14-05-2021 7:13pm

Five Eighth wrote: »

Historical guilt and a powerful Jewish lobby in the US.

Can’t be ‘just’ votes, surely ?

Five Eighth · 14-05-2021 7:17pm

Strumms wrote: »

Can’t be ‘just’ votes, surely ?

I think you can work it out for yourself...

Necro · 14-05-2021 7:17pm

ypres5 wrote: »

Because squatters were being evicted and because they're Palestinian they deserve special treatment and the whole thing escalated from there.

KeepItLight wrote: »

I'm not throwing a tantrum, I'm just letting you know that I think you're either evil or stupid. Probably both.

Both of you can stay out of this thread going forward

Strumms · 14-05-2021 7:19pm

Five Eighth wrote: »

I think you can work it out for yourself...

I already have, but I like gauging opinions.... thanks.

gw80 · 14-05-2021 7:19pm

Five Eighth wrote: »

I think you can work it out for yourself...

Pieces of silver

Overheal · 14-05-2021 7:20pm

Five Eighth wrote: »

Historical guilt and a powerful Jewish lobby in the US.

Indeed strong. We give vast sums of material support to Israel, which in turn increases the wealth of the Israeli lobby.

That's part of the reason there is strong antisemitism among black Americans, as well - there is a demonstrable difference in how Zionists have been supported by the US with how strongly Civil War Reparations have been opposed. The difference in support is staggering, despite the United States having extremely limited inculpability for either the Jewish Diaspora or the atrocities visited upon the Jewish ethnicity, and having extreme levels of inculpability for its part in the Atlantic Slave Trade. But, I'm digressing.

In both cases however, and in the previous case of the Native Americans, the United States has had it's fair share of pursuing the more atrocious policies of colonialization. It's done because it's profitable, especially for the decision-makers.

batman75 · 14-05-2021 7:21pm

The media coverage of this is shameful. No mention of how Israel is slaughtering Palestinians. To my mind they are as complicit in this as Israel are. All Governments around the world who don't condemn Netanyahu have blood on their hands. This is going way beyond self defence as Netanyahu claims. Only a person with very slim intellectual capacity could believe Israel's actions are purely in self defence.

loughside · 14-05-2021 7:24pm

batman75 wrote: »

For that reason alone, in my book, he is a b*stard. I'm dismayed that Martin hasn't come out and condemned Israel in the strongest terms.

heh heh heh... some crackin` stuff in here tonight !! LOL!!

Rezident · 14-05-2021 7:26pm

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

Any Irish person who defends Israeli slaughter is an embarrassment to this country.

What about any Irish person who defends the violently homophobic Palestinians who indoctrinate their own children into terrorism as part of their school curriculum?

What about the Irish people who defend the Palestinians launching 1,500 rockets at civilians?

Like most Irish people, you have never been there, you evidently do not understand both (or either?) sides of the issue and you would be better off sorting out your own problems than judging an issue you clearly do not understand.

loughside · 14-05-2021 7:27pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

Bibi blaming Arab Israelis for violence in Israeli cities and that only Jews are the victims. And yet people still think this isn't an ethno state.

Netanyahu & Police Min Ohana in Lod. "What is happening in Israeli cities is very serious. Lawless groups from the Arab public attack Jews for being Jews. We will use all our force in dealing with criminals- it is terror- & that is how we'll handle it."

Government is responsible for protecting its citizens from terror, it`s simple stuff

Mimon · 14-05-2021 7:31pm

loughside wrote: »

Netanyahu & Police Min Ohana in Lod. "What is happening in Israeli cities is very serious. Lawless groups from the Arab public attack Jews for being Jews. We will use all our force in dealing with criminals- it is terror- & that is how we'll handle it."

Government is responsible for protecting its citizens from terror, it`s simple stuff

Completely delusional.

wes · 14-05-2021 7:31pm

loughside wrote: »

Netanyahu & Police Min Ohana in Lod. "What is happening in Israeli cities is very serious. Lawless groups from the Arab public attack Jews for being Jews. We will use all our force in dealing with criminals- it is terror- & that is how we'll handle it."

Government is responsible for protecting its citizens from terror, it`s simple stuff

Plenty of documented attacks by violent Zionists against Palestinians who are citizens of Israel. To not protect citizens, because of their race is simple racism.

Overheal · 14-05-2021 7:34pm

Rezident wrote: »

What about any Irish person who defends the violently homophobic Palestinians who indoctrinate their own children into terrorism as part of their school curriculum?

What about the Irish people who defend the Palestinians launching 1,500 rockets at civilians?

Like most Irish people, you have never been there, you evidently do not understand both (or either?) sides of the issue and you would be better off sorting out your own problems than judging an issue you clearly do not understand.

I'ma stop you right there.

I fail to see what homophobia in Palestine has to do with them getting attacked with ordnance? Has Israel declared rampant homophobia as a justification for the ground war?

14-05-2021 7:35pm

batman75 wrote: »

The media coverage of this is shameful. No mention of how Israel is slaughtering Palestinians.

Over 100 dead, and we don't know how many of those are militants.

Second, Gaza has a population of over 2,000,000 people.

It demonstrates how remarkably accurate that Israel is choosing its targets over a 3-4 day period. If it were as indiscriminate, "Holocaust"-like, and "slaughtering", as you suggest, you'd expect the death toll to be in the tens of thousands.

Israel is doing the right thing. They cannot sit back and allow Hamas to rain down rockets upon her people. Any self-respecting country would respond in almost exactly the same way - whether you are willing to admit this or not.

Five Eighth · 14-05-2021 7:35pm

loughside wrote: »

Netanyahu & Police Min Ohana in Lod. "What is happening in Israeli cities is very serious. Lawless groups from the Arab public attack Jews for being Jews. We will use all our force in dealing with criminals- it is terror- & that is how we'll handle it."

Government is responsible for protecting its citizens from terror, it`s simple stuff

You have just succeeded in confirming the second class citizenship of Israeli Arabs.

wes · 14-05-2021 7:36pm

Five Eighth wrote: »

You have just succeeded in confirming the second class citizenship of Israeli Arabs.

Colonizers always show each other solidarity.

14-05-2021 7:37pm

loughside wrote: »

Netanyahu & Police Min Ohana in Lod. "What is happening in Israeli cities is very serious. Lawless groups from the Arab public attack Jews for being Jews. We will use all our force in dealing with criminals- it is terror- & that is how we'll handle it."

Government is responsible for protecting its citizens from terror, it`s simple stuff

It isn't simple though.

The Israelite government have stoked this **** for years by allowing illegal land grabs then rely on simpletons to back them up online and in the media.

Overheal · 14-05-2021 7:38pm

eskimohunt wrote: »

Over 100 dead, and we don't know how many of those are militants.

And the 30+ children?

It demonstrates how remarkably accurate that Israel is choosing its targets over a 3-4 day period.

And the 30+ children??

namloc1980 · 14-05-2021 7:39pm

loughside wrote: »

Netanyahu & Police Min Ohana in Lod. "What is happening in Israeli cities is very serious. Lawless groups from the Arab public attack Jews for being Jews. We will use all our force in dealing with criminals- it is terror- & that is how we'll handle it."

Government is responsible for protecting its citizens from terror, it`s simple stuff

Those Arabs are Israeli citizens. And Arab Israelis have been attacked in Israeli cities but Netanyahu is only ascribing blame to one side, the Arabs.

14-05-2021 7:41pm

Five Eighth wrote: »

You have just succeeded in confirming the second class citizenship of Israeli Arabs.

All one needs to do is look at the law on the books in Israel and see that native Arabs are second class citizens.

wes · 14-05-2021 7:44pm

We know the IDF choose to kill civilians and claim they are combatants with 0 evidence. Them being Hamas alone is not reason enough for Israel to kill them, it should be noted.

By the IDFs logic every member of the Israeli government, off duty member of the IDF and government bureaucracy along with anyone in their immediate vicinity would be a valid target.

jam_mac_jam · 14-05-2021 7:46pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

Those Arabs are Israeli citizens. And Arab Israelis have been attacked in Israeli cities but Netanyahu is only ascribing blame to one side, the Arabs.

Oh but it's a democracy and they are nice to gay people.

derekgine3 · 14-05-2021 7:47pm

One commonality i have noticed in the Irish Twitter profiles defending Israel, they either have a picture of them wearing a mask in their profile pic or gender pronouns in the bio.

From past experience, the above are not logical in the slightest and should be ignored.

Overheal · 14-05-2021 7:48pm

Edz87 wrote: »

All one needs to do is look at the law on the books in Israel and see that native Arabs are second class citizens.

How Israel thinks of itself:

'Israel was admitted to the United Nations as a full member on May 11, 1949, and has been a fully democratic country with equal rights for all its citizens from its inception until today.'

How Israel is: '“Israel is not a state of all its citizens,” [Bibi] wrote in response to criticism from an Israeli actor, Rotem Sela.

“According to the basic nationality law we passed, Israel is the nation state of the Jewish people – and only it.”'

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/3/11/benjamin-netanyahu-israel-is-a-state-only-of-the-jewish-people

jam_mac_jam · 14-05-2021 7:49pm

derekgine3 wrote: »

One commonality i have noticed in the Irish Twitter profiles defending Israel, they either have a picture of them wearing a mask in their profile pic or gender pronouns in the bio.

From past experience, the above are not logical in the slightest and should be ignored.

That's interesting. I would have assumed the pronoun people would be anti Israel.

Necro · 14-05-2021 7:52pm

Lmkrnr wrote: »

If Jew logic today was used bye the Nazis they would say gassing Jews was ok as they fight back when we try to gas them.

Threadbanned

Overheal · 14-05-2021 7:54pm

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

That's interesting. I would have assumed the pronoun people would be anti Israel.

I see a lot of pro-israel tweets from those fake accounts with the string of numbers at the end of the handle.

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