US Presidential Election 2020

4068ac1elhodqr · 31-05-2020 3:38pm

duploelabs wrote: »

Are you saying that the 2016 election wasn't seriously compromised?

Comprimised?

Sounds like your claiming the whole think should be nullified
...yet it hasn't, strangely.

Are you seriously saying that there was a state election somewhere (anywhere), at sometime (anytime), that was 100% legit without any counter-claims (by the losing side) of any wrongdoing?

Tell me how · 31-05-2020 3:40pm

Misael Bewildered Sobriety wrote: »

Comprimised?

Sounds like your claiming the whole think should be nullified
...yet it hasn't, strangely.

Are you seriously saying that there was a state election somewhere (anywhere), at sometime (anytime), that was 100% legit without any counter-claims (by the losing side) of any wrongdoing?

Where do you think there was foul play in the most recent Irish general election?

Or claims to that effect?

31-05-2020 3:40pm

Misael Bewildered Sobriety wrote: »

Comprimised?

Sounds like your claiming the whole think should be nullified
...yet it hasn't, strangely.

Are you seriously saying that there was a state election somewhere (anywhere), at sometime (anytime), that was 100% legit without any counter-claims (by the losing side) of any wrongdoing?

No he's not saying to make it null and void. He's stating a reality that was found to be true by US Intelligence agencies. It's a recognised fact.

duploelabs · 31-05-2020 3:45pm

Misael Bewildered Sobriety wrote: »

Comprimised?

Sounds like your claiming the whole think should be nullified
...yet it hasn't, strangely.

Are you seriously saying that there was a state election somewhere (anywhere), at sometime (anytime), that was 100% legit without any counter-claims (by the losing side) of any wrongdoing?

I never said it should be nullified, I'm stating the fact that it was as found be nearly every intelligence report.

And it is 'you're'.

So back to Trump leaving office quietly, how do bookies develop their odds? And then using those metrics, tell me that Trump won't kick up when he loses in November

pixelburp · 31-05-2020 3:48pm

Misael Bewildered Sobriety wrote: »

Which has never happened... in any election... anywhere ever before (eyeroll).

e.g. But they did this, they did that, campaign funding questioned, too many posters, poster in wrong places, posters removed, too many tweets, fake likes, they knew such and such, someone gave so&so money, shure it was the 'bots that did it! etc etc etc.

Trump couldn't win without claiming 3 million illegal votes took place, and opened an investigation headed by Kris Kobach. Trump has repeated attacked the Postal Vote system as corrupt within the last few weeks. These are things that happened. Past performance does not dictate future results but his behaviour points to an inability to accept the system as it functions right now.

Within that context, no, I don't believe Trump, if he loses, will step down quietly and without calling the election rigged.

I'll be delighted if he doesn't, but again, his previous behaviour does not indicate this as likely. Your snarky eyerolls don't negate these things.

4068ac1elhodqr · 31-05-2020 3:49pm

Tell me how wrote: »

Where do you think there was foul play in the most recent Irish general election?

So there was zero incidents during the entire electioneering process not even a poster put in the wrong place, or any challenge against one side's ability to deliver exactly what they promise?

Well, this might well be a world 1st for a democracy! Well done everyone!

31-05-2020 3:50pm

Misael Bewildered Sobriety wrote: »

So there was zero incidents during the entire electioneering process not even a poster put in the wrong place, or any challenge against one side's ability to deliver exactly what they promise?

Well, this might well be a world 1st for a democracy! Well done everyone!

That's not remotely similar to what we're discussing...

4068ac1elhodqr · 31-05-2020 3:52pm

Deleted User wrote: »

It's a recognised fact.

Like, one of those facts that needs factchecking?

Again see earlier point, there will always be claims and counter-claims during the election process of any demcracy, esp in a two party, close percentile state.
Welcome to democracy, do enjoy your stay.

Maybe Big Kim in NK has the right idea, according to some here.

Tell me how · 31-05-2020 3:58pm

Misael Bewildered Sobriety wrote: »

So there was zero incidents during the entire electioneering process not even a poster put in the wrong place, or any challenge against one side's ability to deliver exactly what they promise?

Well, this might well be a world 1st for a democracy! Well done everyone!

You made the claim that there has never been an election which has not been compromised in the same way in which the suggestion is that the 2016 US election was.

Have you any evidence to that effect or you just firing out strawmen?

31-05-2020 4:02pm

Misael Bewildered Sobriety wrote: »

Like, one of those facts that needs factchecking?

Again see earlier point, there will always be claims and counter-claims during the election process of any demcracy, esp in a two party, close percentile state.
Welcome to democracy, do enjoy your stay.

Maybe Big Kim in NK has the right idea, according to some here.

You'll find all reputable fact check agencies concur that Russia interfered with the US elections, it's well documented and you'd have to be pretty ignorant to still be oblivious or claim that it's simply the democrats claiming it. Nobody has claimed that NK has the right idea btw.

Eric Cartman · 31-05-2020 7:33pm

patsman07 wrote: »

The murder of George Lloyd and the ongoing protests & riots will put race back to the front and centre of the American political conversation for a while. Unfortunately this is probably good for Trump, it'll overshadow Covid for a while and it'll galvanise many in his base. If the current tensions don't dissipate quickly, it will also encourage Biden to choose a woman from a racial minority as a running mate.

US politics were in an extremely unhealthy state as it was, while race has been growing as an issue, if this story keeps running it could get extremely ugly.

the riots and looting are definitely helping trump. Biden has stayed sheepishly quiet on these as associating with extremist movements like BLM would send his middle American support into freefall.

He will almost certainly pick a female minority candidate as his running mate just to get the 'progress and change above all else' crowd onboard.

duploelabs · 31-05-2020 7:38pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the riots and looting are definitely helping trump. Biden has stayed sheepishly quiet on these as associating with extremist movements like BLM would send his middle American support into freefall.

He will almost certainly pick a female minority candidate as his running mate just to get the 'progress and change above all else' crowd onboard.

Quiet?
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1266863206334705664?s=19

patsman07 · 31-05-2020 8:15pm

duploelabs wrote: »

Quiet?
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1266863206334705664?s=19

I agree with Cartman. Biden has to walk a tightrope here, there's a sizeable element of left wing Dems who are cultural marxists and will even try to justify the rioting. There are many more centrists and swing voters who will be disgusted by it. His tweet there can be read both ways.

Banner fights back · 31-05-2020 9:27pm

The short term looks good for Trump 're second term President. Why you may ask. He will play the "this is all of the work of the far left and their democrat allies" narrative 're George Floyd protests. That will endear him with his right-wing supporters that always had this alarmist views of what "damage" a left-wing President would do.

However for those pro Trump and Republican supporters that pride themselves of the party of law and order, the damage could be beyond repair, if these protests continue to get out of hand. Added to some medical experts who have raised concerns that these protests could inflame covid 19 then many state governors and health authorities may have to reimpose covid 19 restrictions again. Imagine what that could do to the already faltering US economy that Mr Trump is putting such political capital on, to get the American economy back to pre-covid 19 levels?

Where these protests go, is anyone's guess. However any short term benefits of his no nonsense rhetoric 're these protesters and their intentions, could soon backfire on Trump for the reasons I stated in the above. The only certainty in these extraordinary times of political drama in America is expect the unexpected which seems the safest less riskiest narrative at this moment.

Foxtrol · 31-05-2020 9:33pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the riots and looting are definitely helping trump. Biden has stayed sheepishly quiet on these as associating with extremist movements like BLM would send his middle American support into freefall.

He will almost certainly pick a female minority candidate as his running mate just to get the 'progress and change above all else' crowd onboard.

I don't see any logic in it helping Trump. At a stretch, maybe it energizes his base, but that has never been his issue, and for Biden this is as much energizing young and minority voters.

I'd agree it would be great for Trump if he was the challenger and Biden was currently the president, as he could run as the 'law and order' candidate but for all his bluster the voters are seeing how useless he is (just like with the pandemic). Under his watch US cities are burning and all he is doing is throwing gas on the fire, with 'his' police and national guard on film attacking reporters and the non-violent protesters.

On Biden you clearly never bothered to even check before posting that. He has tweeted over 2 dozen times since the protests started and done several streams and interviews, including primetime on CNN. It isn't getting media coverage because what he is saying can't compare to hundreds of thousands of deaths and US cities burning while Trump does nothing to help but it would be malpractice for Biden to try to do something stupid to get media coverage.

I always thought Biden would go for a minority woman VP, the only thing the last few days have changed is Klobuchar has basically no chance now given her record near where the center of this is.

Tell me how · 31-05-2020 10:15pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the riots and looting are definitely helping trump. Biden has stayed sheepishly quiet on these as associating with extremist movements like BLM would send his middle American support into freefall.

He will almost certainly pick a female minority candidate as his running mate just to get the 'progress and change above all else' crowd onboard.

Biden seems to have adopted Napoleon's advice of 'don't interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake.'

Hard to disagree with it given the nonsense Trump is going on with in relation to Covid-19, the protests and Twitter.

Madeleine Birchfield · 31-05-2020 10:30pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Trump couldn't win without claiming 3 million illegal votes took place, and opened an investigation headed by Kris Kobach. Trump has repeated attacked the Postal Vote system as corrupt within the last few weeks. These are things that happened. Past performance does not dictate future results but his behaviour points to an inability to accept the system as it functions right now.

Within that context, no, I don't believe Trump, if he loses, will step down quietly and without calling the election rigged.

I'll be delighted if he doesn't, but again, his previous behaviour does not indicate this as likely. Your snarky eyerolls don't negate these things.

Trump would also probably call the Democrats ANTIFA members or sympathisers and arrest Democrat voters for being terrorists.

The Phantom Jipper · 31-05-2020 11:03pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the riots and looting are definitely helping trump. Biden has stayed sheepishly quiet on these as associating with extremist movements like BLM would send his middle American support into freefall.

He will almost certainly pick a female minority candidate as his running mate just to get the 'progress and change above all else' crowd onboard.

How is this helping Trump? It's just another thing to put in the "are you better off now than you were 4 years ago" ad. 105,000 people dead and rising, 40m people unemployed and rising, and now cities in flames and rioting all across the country; all made worse by his lack of leadership. If Obama's tenure was the era of "American Carnage", what do you call this?

4068ac1elhodqr · 31-05-2020 11:24pm

The Phantom Jipper wrote: »

what do you call this?

The Chinese flu? ...Combined by a single crooked and twisted cop failing to carry out his duties in a safe and responsible manner. Hence mass looting and the largest callout of the NG in Minn since WW2.

Also, it's likely COVID19 has caused more harm (per head of population) in the uk than anywhere else in the entire world. Their 38,000+ deaths, and 1/4m cases. Now will only get worse thanks to elite rule breakers and mass (unruly) gatherings as seen today on the news there.

If anything the US have a very, very low fatality rate, although this was not hepled by the WHO by making so many errors, delays, and giving mixed messages.

Foxtrol · 31-05-2020 11:49pm

Misael Bewildered Sobriety wrote: »

The Chinese flu? ...Combined by a single crooked and twisted cop failing to carry out his duties in a safe and responsible manner. Hence mass looting and the largest callout of the NG in Minn since WW2.

Also, it's likely COVID19 has caused more harm (per head of population) in the uk than anywhere else in the entire world. Their 38,000+ deaths, and 1/4m cases. Now will only get worse thanks to elite rule breakers and mass (unruly) gatherings as seen today on the news there.

If anything the US have a very, very low fatality rate, although this was not hepled by the WHO by making so many errors, delays, and giving mixed messages.

The bold could be said about the Trump administration response.

For COVID, the US numbers in many states they aren't capturing accurate numbers and it isn't dropping yet when you take out the NY area.

It is rare a president doesn't deal with types of catastrophe during their tenure and for Trump he either failed each every time and even created a few.

The Phantom Jipper · 01-06-2020 12:35am

Misael Bewildered Sobriety wrote: »

The Chinese flu? ...Combined by a single crooked and twisted cop failing to carry out his duties in a safe and responsible manner. Hence mass looting and the largest callout of the NG in Minn since WW2.

Also, it's likely COVID19 has caused more harm (per head of population) in the uk than anywhere else in the entire world. Their 38,000+ deaths, and 1/4m cases. Now will only get worse thanks to elite rule breakers and mass (unruly) gatherings as seen today on the news there.

If anything the US have a very, very low fatality rate, although this was not hepled by the WHO by making so many errors, delays, and giving mixed messages.

Chinese flu? Blaming the WHO? Are you only now catching up on Trump's talking points from 5/6 weeks ago?

4068ac1elhodqr · 01-06-2020 12:55am

The Phantom Jipper wrote: »

Chinese flu?

So this flu has nothing to do with China has it?
Should China not be held accountable at all ?

The Phantom Jipper wrote: »

Blaming the WHO?

So WHO haven't made any mistakes?
Sure they themselves fully admitted to several.

It seems you really haven't been keeping up with an ounce news at all, since way back (Dec 2019).

The WHO made mistakes, but it's China that must be held accountable

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/492858-the-who-made-mistakes-but-its-china-that-must-be-held-accountable

kowloon · 01-06-2020 1:02am

pixelburp wrote: »

Will he leave office willingly? He'll leave, just not willingly.

I can guarantee the legitimacy of the election will be called into question. We have precedent after all: Trump called corruption on his own 2016 victory for goodness sake, incapable of dealing with the popular vote loss without starting a conspiracy and phony "election fraud" investigation.

The ground is already set with his repeated narrative about Postal Vote fraud, vocal and noisy. The signs are there.

I expect he'll really ramp that fraudulent election talk on the eve of the election. Last time he was afraid he had lost when he was most fired up about it.

duploelabs · 01-06-2020 8:26am

Misael Bewildered Sobriety wrote: »

So this flu has nothing to do with China has it?
Should China not be held accountable at all ?

So WHO haven't made any mistakes?
Sure they themselves fully admitted to several.

It seems you really haven't been keeping up with an ounce news at all, since way back (Dec 2019).

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/492858-the-who-made-mistakes-but-its-china-that-must-be-held-accountable

Blaming China is just a racist dogwhistle, primarily used by trump and his acolytes to deflect for the failings of his own administration

c montgomery · 01-06-2020 8:31am

duploelabs wrote: »

Blaming China is just a racist dogwhistle, primarily used by trump and his acolytes to deflect for the failings of his own administration

No it's an accurate description of where the virus originated.

The whole world has been turned upside because of this virus.
The Chinese numbers dont make since, they have been lying since day one.
Dont ever forget where the virus came from.

Trump has made a dogs dinner of it and has shown himself to be an ineffectual uninspired leader.

duploelabs · 01-06-2020 8:42am

c montgomery wrote: »

No it's an accurate description of where the virus originated.

The whole world has been turned upside because of this virus.
The Chinese numbers dont make since, they have been lying since day one.
Dont ever forget where the virus came from.

Chinese figures don't make sense to whom? You?

Why isn't Swine flu called the Mexican Flu then?

Why was it called 'The Spanish Flu'? I'll give you a clue, it's not because it originated in Spain

Brian? · 01-06-2020 8:42am

Misael Bewildered Sobriety wrote: »

So this flu has nothing to do with China has it?
Should China not be held accountable at all ?

So WHO haven't made any mistakes?
Sure they themselves fully admitted to several.

It seems you really haven't been keeping up with an ounce news at all, since way back (Dec 2019).

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/492858-the-who-made-mistakes-but-its-china-that-must-be-held-accountable

The WHO and China both made mistakes. Somehow Trump managed to eclipse them.

Carfacemandog · 01-06-2020 12:12pm

Trump has always been the favourite with the bookies to win... well not anymore. He and Biden are now tied at evens odds, and that appears to just be down to the formality of the primaries not being over. The democrats are now 4/5 to win the presidency compared to the republicans at evens odds, while Trump not being reflected is only 8/11.

We all know the popular vote doesn't win the election over there, but Biden is 1/3 odds on to win by 5mn+ votes (for reference Clinton won by 3mn but lost the election, and in 2012 Obama won by 4.9mn).

4068ac1elhodqr · 01-06-2020 2:14pm

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Trump has always been the favourite with the bookies to win... well not anymore. He and Biden are now tied at evens odds...

Kinda, but not really/exactly.
There has been a small drift on the Don, but in a broader market view, he is still the main (average vendor) favourite.

14:15, 1 June.

You're simply viewing a slight price distortion by one small exchange banging up a small liquidity price of 2.2. Other than that, x4 books & 1 exchange have Joey at 2.1.

Would actually like to see a larger drift of Don to e.g. 3.4, so can tag on the end of an acca builder at bonus price. One other line selection to include would be for Boris not to last as PM anywhere past 2020, or their Labour to win any next GE.

The Phantom Jipper · 01-06-2020 4:16pm

Misael Bewildered Sobriety wrote: »

Kinda, but not really/exactly.
There has been a small drift on the Don, but in a broader market view, he is still the main (average vendor) favourite.

14:15, 1 June.

You're simply viewing a slight price distortion by one small exchange banging up a small liquidity price of 2.2. Other than that, x4 books & 1 exchange have Joey at 2.1.

Would actually like to see a larger drift of Don to e.g. 3.4, so can tag on the end of an acca builder at bonus price. One other line selection to include would be for Boris not to last as PM anywhere past 2020, or their Labour to win any next GE.

A better proxy for the election is which party is going to win, which is what the poster was saying. The Democrat candidate is level or favoured in in every bookie.

US Presidential Election 2020

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