North Quays

fricatus · 11-01-2008 12:27am #1

The site at the North Quays was sold during the boom. Now we're hitting turbulence in the world and Irish economies. Could this spell trouble for the development?

And does anyone know when that stupid right-of-way case is due to be decided? It seems as if we have to wait months and months for these legal hoops to be jumped through! As if it wasn't enough that An Bord Leisciúil have today put off their decision on the Newgate Centre for another month!

merlante · 11-01-2008 10:28am

fricatus wrote: »

The site at the North Quays was sold during the boom. Now we're hitting turbulence in the world and Irish economies. Could this spell trouble for the development?

And does anyone know when that stupid right-of-way case is due to be decided? It seems as if we have to wait months and months for these legal hoops to be jumped through! As if it wasn't enough that An Bord Leisciúil have today put off their decision on the Newgate Centre for another month!

In my opinion it is down to Cullen to get his hands dirty and sort this out. He has dropped the ball badly. Even Galway is starting to plan a docklands redevelopment now and they would have a lot less industrial land to rejuvenate.

Junior · 11-01-2008 8:09pm

It's at times like this I wish we had a cute hooor in power from the Waterford area to get things done...

mad man · 14-01-2008 11:48am

I don't know if you've heard but a there is a similar situation preventing the RPA starting one of the new luas lines. CIE won't allow surveyors access part of the line the crosses their land.

BBM77 · 14-01-2008 12:25pm

Personally, I think it is the Port of Waterford Company is to blame. They are being totally unreasonable trying to dictate the times that trains can pass on the level crossing. My house is affected by a right of way, I could never tell the neighbours what time to go in and out with the wheelie bins. To try to attach conditions to a right of way affecting a public transport company was always going to end in court. The port company should have received better legal advice than they did.:mad:

fricatus · 26-01-2008 10:21pm

The Irish Times reports today that the dispute has been settled. Happy days

Maybe the site can now be sold and a start made on developing it. It just has to be done for 2011. Imagine how good the Tall Ships race will be if that area is a fully-functional waterfront area with apartments and so on as its backdrop? Sweet!

Aquos76 · 30-01-2008 7:04pm

fricatus wrote: »

The Irish Times reports today that the dispute has been settled. Happy days

As is the lead story in this weeks munster express. About bloody time too.

mike65 · 30-01-2008 7:10pm

There is no chance of the development being built in 30 months.

Mike

kano476 · 01-02-2008 1:20am

before they build anything they have to figure out how to take down the old mill buildings safely without bits falling into yhe river, this will take a while as the place is riddled with asbestos and the work will have to be done by hand. 2015 is a decent target imo

mike65 · 01-02-2008 12:17pm

What they will have to do on the North Quays for the TSR is what the townfolk did in Blazing Saddles.

Mike.

Max Powers · 20-01-2015 2:19pm

great to read of soon demolition happening on north quays

Chip Whitley · 20-01-2015 3:53pm

Max Powers wrote: »

great to read of soon demolition happening on north quays

Where did you read this Max?

Professey Chin · 20-01-2015 3:56pm

Brendão wrote: »

Where did you read this Max?

http://www.wlrfm.com/news/local/20640-north-quays-buildings-to-be-demolished.html

Harry Palmr · 20-01-2015 3:56pm

Yep good news unless you are a fan of re-enforced concrete structures. A pity the Ard Ri will still stand above the cleared site though.

Shane07 · 20-01-2015 4:29pm

Im happy that the Ard Ri Hotel is not part of this demolition project,there is still a chance that we can get back a landmark hotel with amazing views of the city over the next few years. I hope the council really make the North Quays something to be proud of with a retail,office and leisure offering.Irelands tallest building would be perfect for this site!

Harry Palmr · 20-01-2015 4:31pm

There is no chance of that box being fit for anything other than a ball and chain.

thomasm · 20-01-2015 5:18pm

Great to see it go, wonder where all the rats will move to

Chip Whitley · 20-01-2015 5:28pm

Would part of the demolition spec involve what to do with any infestation (rat, pigeon) or do they just knock these things and hope for the best?

jimbo1979 · 20-01-2015 8:17pm

Max Powers wrote: »

great to read of soon demolition happening on north quays

They are suppose to be starting the demolition in the next few weeks,some rats scattering out of that place.anyone have information what's there plans after they demolish this eye sore?

Harry Palmr · 20-01-2015 10:37pm

jimbo1979 wrote: »

They are suppose to be starting the demolition in the next few weeks,some rats scattering out of that place.anyone have information what's there plans after they demolish this eye sore?

If Waterford were Galway we'd get a massive tax write off which would encourage development in the fashion of say a "hub" of some sort - small tech businesses that link with the IT but as we're Waterford we'll get no assistance at all.

TheQuietFella · 20-01-2015 10:49pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

If Waterford were Galway we'd get a massive tax write off which would encourage development in the fashion of say a "hub" of some sort - small tech businesses that link with the IT but as we're Waterford we'll get no assistance at all.

We're not looking for small Harry but I like your thinking!

thomasm · 20-01-2015 11:15pm

jimbo1979 wrote: »

They are suppose to be starting the demolition in the next few weeks,some rats scattering out of that place.anyone have information what's there plans after they demolish this eye sore?

Probably no funds for any grand plans. Something like a running or cycling track with a green area could be a good option in the short term that may not be too costly

Shane07 · 20-01-2015 11:38pm

Correct me if im wrong but isnt there one building there that has a preservation order on it?

The Bowling Alley · 20-01-2015 11:40pm

Shane07 wrote: »

Im happy that the Ard Ri Hotel is not part of this demolition project,there is still a chance that we can get back a landmark hotel with amazing views of the city over the next few years. I hope the council really make the North Quays something to be proud of with a retail,office and leisure offering.Irelands tallest building would be perfect for this site!

If there was a new hotel to go up there the first thing they would do is demoish the one that's there now.

Shane07 · 21-01-2015 12:12am

Who is saying they would get planning permission for a 6 storey building on that height of a site again this is Ireland after all!,the current building could be incorporated into whatever will be built on the site.

looksee · 21-01-2015 12:12am

I think maybe a large sculptural cross or statue in place of the ard ri. Like Rio de Janeiro. *Makes hasty exit*

Professey Chin · 21-01-2015 12:15am

Shane07 wrote: »

Who is saying they would get planning permission for a 6 storey building on that height of a site again this is Ireland after all!,the current building could be incorporated into whatever will be built on the site.

The current building is a monstrosity. It deserves to be torn down.

wellboytoo · 21-01-2015 9:38am

This action is being taken by the Receivers and NAMA on foot of a dereliction notice by Waterford Council, the hold up at the moment is they need to apply for a waste licence to store the crushed concrete that will result from the demolition.
This will take a minimum of six weeks to happen , demolition will start sometime after that date.
The above are the facts, the only thing on the wharf when they finish will be a large pile of crushed concrete.

Don't read anything else into it.

TheQuietFella · 21-01-2015 11:36am

looksee wrote: »

I think maybe a large sculptural cross or statue in place of the ard ri. Like Rio de Janeiro. *Makes hasty exit*

Couldn't you just imagine the outcry, the angst against some religious symbol

being perpetrated upon the citizens of Waterford.

A good idea though!

Dum_Dum · 21-01-2015 11:55am

I think this site has limited scope without a bridge/footbridge. That won't happen for some time. In the meantime, when it's leveled and cleared, something with a strong vertical element would be best.

Tree planting would be great, but they take too long. By the time they've matured something else will be developed.

So my suggestion is a large (massive!) flag of the tricolour on a an elevated podium surrounded by smaller flags along the North Quay, in an attactvely landscaped setting.

it has a strong vertical element
it's windy!
references Meagher
is cheap
low maintenance
doesn't require patronage to make it work (no footbridge remember!)

BBM77 · 21-01-2015 12:42pm

I think the 5 cruise ships that were docked there last year was a sign as to the direction the North Quays should take. At least part of it anyway. I think the docks from the bridge to the old mill that is going to be demolished should be given to the city council by NAMA (I presume it is in NAMA). It should then be turned into a public space with a foot bridge to the Clock Tower. Even if some buildings were built there later at least it would start to integrate the North Quays with the city centre. It would also be less of a risk for developers to build on the remainder of the North Quays as they would be adding to an area already in use as opposed to building on a site that is cut off from the city centre as it is now. Personally I think the millions that has been spent on these BS green routes around the city would have been better spent on a project like this.

looksee · 21-01-2015 12:43pm

How about a spire shaped thing that just happens to be a metre taller than any other spires in Ireland?

reni10 · 21-01-2015 1:04pm

How about a Drive in Cinema?
Something like they have in Cork: http://www.moviejunction.ie/guide.html

Easy to setup, plenty of space and would not require millions!

Start with that and then build other entertainment type facilities around it!

Harry Palmr · 21-01-2015 1:32pm

A permanent fireworks display - big bangs every Saturday night. A live music venue, beats the Bolton Street carpark albeit almost everyone has to cross the bridge to get there. Sure there's a million few things that could be done on that space at very little cost until someone comes up with a long term solution.

shockwave · 21-01-2015 2:23pm

Move Walsh Park over there and build a decent stadium

O Riain · 21-01-2015 2:28pm

shockwave wrote: »

Move Walsh Park over there and build a decent stadium

Was thinking this myself. Imagine a decent stadium with the potential to hold decent size concerts. The amount of money spent on match days in other counties is enormous. We are losing out by not having a stadium in this regard.

BBM77 · 21-01-2015 2:40pm

shockwave wrote: »

Move Walsh Park over there and build a decent stadium

I agree with you but imagine the uproar that would cause in the county board’s Dungarvan faction.:(

Max Powers · 21-01-2015 3:23pm

i think the cruise ship and some other stuff is about the best and most realistic hope for the north quays for forseeable future. Pie in the sky dreams of high rise, stadiums, drive in cinemas etc is just dreams and completely unrealistic. While some of these things would be amazing, lets keep it a bit realistic and sensible...consider who would fill this stadium, who would pay for this or high rise buildings, drive in cinema in etc.

O Riain · 21-01-2015 4:28pm

Max Powers wrote: »

i think the cruise ship and some other stuff is about the best and most realistic hope for the north quays for forseeable future. Pie in the sky dreams of high rise, stadiums, drive in cinemas etc is just dreams and completely unrealistic. While some of these things would be amazing, lets keep it a bit realistic and sensible...consider who would fill this stadium, who would pay for this or high rise buildings, drive in cinema in etc.

The stadium would be filled by GAA fans. If we manage to get a stadium a stadium capable of holding Munster Quarter/Semi finals it would be some cash cow in fairness.

jennygirl · 21-01-2015 4:33pm

Max Powers wrote: »

i think the cruise ship and some other stuff is about the best and most realistic hope for the north quays for forseeable future. Pie in the sky dreams of high rise, stadiums, drive in cinemas etc is just dreams and completely unrealistic. While some of these things would be amazing, lets keep it a bit realistic and sensible...consider who would fill this stadium, who would pay for this or high rise buildings, drive in cinema in etc.

Cruise Terminal would be great at attracting more cruise ships - we have 33 in last year - potential for a lot more with the attraction of Waterford Crystal & Viking Triangle - maybe a few dept from WIT to create footfall to the city centre - or a bus from north quays to city centre - to college st and WIT main Campus

Shane07 · 21-01-2015 6:09pm

This could become the biggest urban renewel project in the country after the Dublin docklands and we need to demand our city council and TDs be ambitious in delivering a new urban quarter for the city,there is no reason for there not to be high rises,cruise docking,stadium of some sort and new riverside walkway with restuarants and bars! Look at Limericks 2030 plan new pedestrian bridge new city park I know Minister Nonan is the force behind it but Waterford needs to demand the best for this site and settle for nothing less!

The Bowling Alley · 21-01-2015 6:32pm

Shane07 wrote: »

This could become the biggest urban renewel project in the country after the Dublin docklands and we need to demand our city council and TDs be ambitious in delivering a new urban quarter for the city,there is no reason for there not to be high rises,cruise docking,stadium of some sort and new riverside walkway with restuarants and bars! Look at Limericks 2030 plan new pedestrian bridge new city park I know Minister Nonan is the force behind it but Waterford needs to demand the best for this site and settle for nothing less!

I think people don't seem to understand the fact that we don't have any money.

Harry Palmr · 21-01-2015 6:58pm

The Bowling Alley wrote: »

I think people don't seem to understand the fact that we don't have any money.

That's why I talked about a tax relief scheme, attract private moolah.

Talk of a GAA stadium seems rather crazy given the nature of the site. Even if the Bus Eireann yard is included you'd have a job fitting one in with the appropriate support infrastructure and access to such a venue. It would also look as ugly as sin dominating the whole view northwards.

robtri · 21-01-2015 8:44pm

The Bowling Alley wrote: »

I think people don't seem to understand the fact that we don't have any money.

add 20% to the property tax... and we will have enough money....

Cabaal · 21-01-2015 8:47pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

That's why I talked about a tax relief scheme, attract private moolah.

Talk of a GAA stadium seems rather crazy given the nature of the site. Even if the Bus Eireann yard is included you'd have a job fitting one in with the appropriate support infrastructure and access to such a venue. It would also look as ugly as sin dominating the whole view northwards.

The site is no where near big enough for a GAA Stadium and is completely unsuitable for that sort of infrastructure, I'd agree that the stadium would also be as bad of an eye sore as the silo's from the city side.

BBM77 · 21-01-2015 10:11pm

Another thing that could be done if a footbridge was built around the clock tower is access to the train station could also be improved. It would not be a big job to put a new entrance at the lower end of the train station.

Cabaal · 21-01-2015 11:16pm

BBM77 wrote: »

Another thing that could be done if a footbridge was built around the clock tower is access to the train station could also be improved. It would not be a big job to put a new entrance at the lower end of the train station.

A footbridge with duel footpath and cycle road on it into the city from Ferrybank would be of benefit to the people in Ferrybank getting into the city. It would also cut about 3-4km of a walk into the city

Harry Palmr · 21-01-2015 11:22pm

BBM77 wrote: »

Another thing that could be done if a footbridge was built around the clock tower is access to the train station could also be improved. It would not be a big job to put a new entrance at the lower end of the train station.

That location would be an issue if the north Wharf was designated for cruise traffic, it would need to be further down river at the Tower I'd say to be viable I think.

https://maps.google.ie/maps?q=waterford+North+Wharf+area&newwindow=1&safe=off&client=opera&channel=suggest&hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&ei=E-O_VJqgAqi07gaN9oAQ&ved=0CAgQ_AU&output=classic&dg=brw

O Riain · 22-01-2015 10:07am

Cabaal wrote: »

A footbridge with duel footpath and cycle road on it into the city from Ferrybank would be of benefit to the people in Ferrybank getting into the city. It would also cut about 3-4km of a walk into the city

Surely this would the quickest and easiest way to increase footfall in the City. It's very cut off and would probably free up a few parking spaces in town if people could actually walk it.

sunnysoutheast · 22-01-2015 11:04am

BBM77 wrote: »

Another thing that could be done if a footbridge was built around the clock tower is access to the train station could also be improved. It would not be a big job to put a new entrance at the lower end of the train station.

Relocate the station there (out of the floods) with retail and office space above, integrated with relocated bus station, footbridge to town, big statue of ow do....

We can but dream!

Max Powers · 22-01-2015 1:51pm

i think most of us agree that a footbridge is essential to something happening over there, to connect it to city, for F-bank, for developers to be interested etc. That should probably be priority 1 for council, nobody (maybe those on the north side) would use a public area over there unless its easily accessible from city side.
Unfortunately, i dont think the council has the money, i dont see private enterprise jumping to get in there, money from central govt would be difficult in current circumstances, i dont see local politicians doing the unpopular and maybe raising LPT 5% to fund it over a number of years, i dont see the people of Waterford willing to pay extra for something like that...many difficulties

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