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    #122
    quietsailor
    Registered Users Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭quietsailor


    beauf wrote: »
    Actually you didn't die. So it's 0% you didn't mention injury so that's also 0%. You weren't even primary school age. Also 0%.

    How is any one expected to take you seriously...

    Because ye asked for examples of children getting hurt cycling. Are you saying that you only care about children getting killed? That's a fairly **** attitude to life so I don't think (and hope none of ye) have this attitude to children.


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    #123
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,651 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    quietsailor wrote: »
    Where did I say they should go to school in a vehicle of any kind? Go on, actually quote the line I said that.

    The point I made in an earlier post is that they should be walking to school. In that video they all talk about the benefits of an early start for exercise and how it wakes the children up. Walking answers all those points without the added risk of interacting with heavy moving machinery. The spokesman in that video even said it was dangerous - that there is no proper cycle infrastructure.

    Yet no one is willing to answer me - why have children cycle to school rather than walk? Walking gets is as healthy but has less risk - why use the mode of transport with higher risk to the children.

    It's not dangerous. Your own stats prove it isn't.

    I tripped one walking and sprained my ankle so thats dangerous.

    Id guess motorcycling or skydiving is more dangerous method of getting to school.

    But if you've never had an accident while sky diving that means it safe right...


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    #124
    beauf
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    quietsailor wrote: »
    Because ye asked for examples of children getting hurt cycling. Are you saying that you only care about children getting killed? That's a fairly **** attitude to life so I don't think (and hope none of ye) have this attitude to children.

    You didn't provide any stats.

    How about stats on panda cycling to school. Do you not care about the Panda's. You don't mention adults either. You don't care about anyone getting including. Maybe you're just here to gloat.

    Nice...


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    #125
    quietsailor
    Registered Users Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭quietsailor


    beauf wrote: »
    It's not dangerous. Your own stats prove it isn't.

    I tripped one walking and sprained my ankle so thats dangerous.

    Id guess motorcycling or skydiving is more dangerous method of getting to school.

    But if you've never had an accident while sky diving that means it safe right...

    Ah read what I wrote, I was in minor accidents, I had bad landings that I walked away from. ANYTHING is dangerous, getting out of bed is dangerous. Where the stupidity comes in is where there are several ways of getting children to school; driving, cycling walking. We all agree it would be good to get the children out of the car but all of you them decide to putting the children in a higher risk situation is better than putting them in the lower risk situation. How is that clever?


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    #126
    quietsailor
    Registered Users Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭quietsailor


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    source, please.

    also, the blindingly obvious point is why we're debating if the children should walk, rather than debating if the drivers should get out and walk.

    Yes, it would help if more drivers walked or cycled. It doesn't prove your logic that its OK to put children in a higher risk scenario when there is a safer one


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    #127
    beauf
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    quietsailor wrote: »
    Ah read what I wrote, I was in minor accidents, I had bad landings that I walked away from. ANYTHING is dangerous, getting out of bed is dangerous. Where the stupidity comes in is where there are several ways of getting children to school; driving, cycling walking. We all agree it would be good to get the children out of the car but all of you them decide to putting the children in a higher risk situation is better than putting them in the lower risk situation. How is that clever?

    You think people should walk to sky diving because it's safer than driving.


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    #128
    beauf
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    quietsailor wrote: »
    Yes, it would help if more drivers walked or cycled. It doesn't prove your logic that its OK to put children in a higher risk scenario when there is a safer one

    So sending them to school is dangerous, they should be sky diving.


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    #129
    quietsailor
    Registered Users Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭quietsailor


    beauf wrote: »
    You didn't provide any stats.

    How about stats on panda cycling to school. Do you not care about the Panda's. You don't mention adults either. You don't care about anyone getting including. Maybe you're just here to gloat.

    Nice...

    Thank you for proving my arguement. When people resort to stupidity like this i know I'm on the right side. Rebut my my main point if you can - why are people picking the less safe method of getting children to school


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    #130
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users Posts: 7,761 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    They could drop the kids out of a plane with a parachute over the school. Might be safer than cycling.


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    #131
    quietsailor
    Registered Users Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭quietsailor


    beauf wrote: »
    So sending them to school is dangerous, they should be sky diving.

    Nice mis direct but it still doesn't answer my question to you. Why pick the less safe mode of transport?


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    #132
    magicbastarder
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    quietsailor wrote: »
    why are people picking the less safe method of getting children to school
    you keep repeating this. do you have a source?
    how much more dangerous is it to cycle?
    take a child doing the full 3km; they'll probably do it in 12 minutes or so on the bike, or 45 minutes walking. they're getting full (and very visible) supervision on the cycle. you're saying they'd be safer walking; i'm saying that's an assumption.


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    #133
    marvin80
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    Just a point in general - in Galway they've organised a cycle bus to get children cycling to school safely. Massive increase in obesity rates in Ireland so we should be promoting more exercise for children to get them fit, healthy and also into good habits of regular exercise.

    If there's 20 children cycling that's surely at least 10 potential cars off the road (as in their not getting a lift).

    I can't see any negative points to this scheme - the organisers in Galway should be applauded - it should be rolled out nationwide.


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    #134
    beauf
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    quietsailor wrote: »
    Thank you for proving my arguement. When people resort to stupidity like this i know I'm on the right side. Rebut my my main point if you can - why are people picking the less safe method of getting children to school

    You're the one who introduced skydiving in a discussion about supervised cycling.

    You've not proved cycling is more dangerous. You've proved you're a danger to yourself cycling, and perhaps skydiving too since you admitted to having bad landings there also.

    If you don't know why someone would cycle instead of walking. Or drive instead of walking. I'm not sure explaining is going to add clarity for you.


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    #135
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,484 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    marvin80 wrote: »
    Just a point in general - in Galway they've organised a cycle bus to get children cycling to school safely.
    that's what this thread is about.


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    #136
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,468 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    quietsailor wrote: »
    beauf wrote: »
    So sending them to school is dangerous, they should be sky diving.

    Nice mis direct but it still doesn't answer my question to you. Why pick the less safe mode of transport?
    Far more pedestrians are killed on the road than cyclists. And you want MORE people to be doing this dangerous walking?

    Won't someone please think of the children?


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    #137
    beauf
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    Why pick walking if it's more dangerous.


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    #138
    TheQuietFella
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    marvin80 wrote: »
    Just a point in general - in Galway they've organised a cycle bus to get children cycling to school safely. Massive increase in obesity rates in Ireland so we should be promoting more exercise for children to get them fit, healthy and also into good habits of regular exercise.

    Maybe if their Mothers cooked a little bit more at home we wouldn't have this situation!


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    #139
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,151 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    quietsailor wrote: »
    - why use the mode of transport with higher risk to the children.

    Cars, cars kill, injure or maim more people than any other form of transport.


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    #140
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    marvin80 wrote: »
    Just a point in general - in Galway they've organised a cycle bus to get children cycling to school safely. Massive increase in obesity rates in Ireland so we should be promoting more exercise for children to get them fit, healthy and also into good habits of regular exercise.

    If there's 20 children cycling that's surely at least 10 potential cars off the road (as in their not getting a lift).

    I can't see any negative points to this scheme - the organisers in Galway should be applauded - it should be rolled out nationwide.

    Apparently these kids should be skydiving to school instead as it is safer.

    As long as there's no swooping.


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    #141
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,468 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    TheQuietFella wrote: »
    marvin80 wrote: »
    Just a point in general - in Galway they've organised a cycle bus to get children cycling to school safely. Massive increase in obesity rates in Ireland so we should be promoting more exercise for children to get them fit, healthy and also into good habits of regular exercise.

    Maybe if their Mothers cooked a little bit more at home we wouldn't have this situation!
    The 1960s called for you. They'd like their thinking back.


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    #142
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users Posts: 25,717 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Cars, cars kill, injure or maim more people than any other form of transport.

    Yes.

    So the kids should be WALKING not using wheely things.

    This isn't two-wheels good, four wheels bad.

    It's don't wheel when walking will do the trick.

    Walking also includes the kids whose parents cannot afford bikes. Its kinder to everyone and needs less supervision. What's not to love.



    The real issue is that in this neighbourhood parents have delegated school transport to a volunteer community group. What keeps the volunteers motivated is their desire to spread the gospel of bicycling. Remove that and the programme falls apart.


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    #143
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,151 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    The 1960s called for you. They'd like their thinking back.

    I've personally been triggered as a man who manages the kids to and from school, and their dinners.


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    #144
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,151 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Yes.

    So the kids should be WALKING not using wheely things.

    This isn't two-wheels good, four wheels bad.

    It's don't wheel when walking will do the trick.

    Walking also includes the kids whose parents cannot afford bikes. Its kinder to everyone and needs less supervision. What's not to love.



    The real issue is that in this neighbourhood parents have delegated school transport to a volunteer community group. What keeps the volunteers motivated is their desire to spread the gospel of bicycling. Remove that and the programme falls apart.

    I've no idea what points you're trying to make?

    So people shouldn't bring their kids to school on bikes because it makes those who can't afford bikes feel bad?

    I'm absolutely staggered that your post is coming from someone with a signature like yours though, demonstrates a massive ignorance when it comes to anything transport related.

    For those on mobiles, this is her signature.
    Galway City traffic solutions: Think systemic not simplistic. --- Official purple route map. --- Unofficial Google Maps version --- Official OSI map


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    #145
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,651 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Y...So the kids should be WALKING not using wheely things.

    This isn't two-wheels good, four wheels bad.

    It's don't wheel when walking will do the trick....

    People get killed walking. Why do you want them to get killed?


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    #146
    beauf
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    TheQuietFella wrote: »
    Maybe if their Mothers cooked a little bit more at home we wouldn't have this situation!

    I like the way you are trying to derail this.

    Can people not get overweight though home cooking?


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    #147
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,468 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Hurrache wrote: »
    Cars, cars kill, injure or maim more people than any other form of transport.


    The real issue is that in this neighbourhood parents have delegated school transport to a volunteer community group. What keeps the volunteers motivated is their desire to spread the gospel of bicycling. Remove that and the programme falls apart.
    The motivated volunteers ARE the neighbourhood parents. They have a rota.

    What's not to like?


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    #148
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,151 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    beauf wrote: »
    People get killed walking. Why do you want them to get killed?

    Equal opportunities for all apparently. Those elites with their bikes should be equally liable to be killed as those who can't afford bikes. That's my take from it.


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    #149
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users Posts: 6,483 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Cars, cars kill, injure or maim more people than any other form of transport.

    It’s the people driving the cars that kill other people. The car is the weapon.


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    #150
    _Puma_
    Registered Users Posts: 966 ✭✭✭_Puma_


    Fantastic community led Initiative in Galway and has got a lot of support locally. It has seen a large increase in popularity since it began.


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    #151
    monument
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,072 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Yes.

    So the kids should be WALKING not using wheely things.

    This isn't two-wheels good, four wheels bad.

    It's don't wheel when walking will do the trick.

    Walking also includes the kids whose parents cannot afford bikes. Its kinder to everyone and needs less supervision. What's not to love.



    The real issue is that in this neighbourhood parents have delegated school transport to a volunteer community group. What keeps the volunteers motivated is their desire to spread the gospel of bicycling. Remove that and the programme falls apart.


    Can you get any more anti-cycling of a post than this?


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