Galway traffic

fergiesfolly · 16-11-2019 1:30pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Doesn't that describe the local election process that's just happened?

Honestly, it's a bit ridiculous to suggest public voting on every public decision. Would you put your own personal medical treatment to a public vote, or would you rely on expert opinion?

In the same way that another general election in the UK will not solve the Brexit crisis, no amount of local elections will solve the problems the city faces. Like I said earlier, there seems to be no will at local government level to sort the traffic issues.

Like I also said earlier, a forum of local interested groups from across the city in conjunction with UNBIASED PROFESSIONAL PLANNERS to investigate and plan a solution.

No, I don't agree on voting on every single public decision. But this has dragged on for decades and there's no end in sight.

If you've a better idea, let's hear it.
Or are you happy to let the people currently at the helm in this city to carry on as they have been?

16-11-2019 1:34pm

fergiesfolly wrote: »

Brexit happened because of an illegal campaign and lack of true public awareness of the implications of a leave vote.
Here, referenda are held after consultation and public awareness campaigns.
Let us have a panel from all spectrum across the city( shop owners, business owners, factory managers, schools, public and private transport, householders and commuters) and professional traffic and city planners from outside city control. Meetings for six months to evaluate the problems and a further six to twelve to draw up plans for our city.
Put it to a vote. Start work.

While admirable and well intentioned, it won't happen and if it did it wouldn't work due to:

- the shop owners who mistakenly believe their customers need access to the front door

- schools who have such a backward way of thinking of transport options that many are building mini roads and rab's to facilitate dropping off closer to the door

- transport operators who literally operate based on the concept of "squeeze in there somewhere cos there's no other space for you" (roads) and as such have f all power to change anything

- households who think its a right to be able to park outside their door but want fast and efficient public transport without it taking up any road space from the cars

- commuters (drivers) who want more roads, no traffic lights, no rab's, no pedestrian crossings, free parking, cos road tax

- commuters (bus) who want more road space for bus lanes, higher frequency, greater coverage

- commuters (cyclists) who want to be able to travel safely without choking on fumes, getting run over or abused all without interaction with other modes.

- commuters (pedestrians) who want to be able to cross safely without having to wait several minutes before the lights change, not choke on fumes, not get run over by any other mode of transport

Sounds easy to get all of those to agree

fergiesfolly · 16-11-2019 1:48pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

While admirable and well intentioned, it won't happen and if it did it wouldn't work due to:

- the shop owners who mistakenly believe their customers need access to the front door

- schools who have such a backward way of thinking of transport options that many are building mini roads and rab's to facilitate dropping off closer to the door

- transport operators who literally operate based on the concept of "squeeze in there somewhere cos there's no other space for you" (roads) and as such have f all power to change anything

- households who think its a right to be able to park outside their door but want fast and efficient public transport without it taking up any road space from the cars

- commuters (drivers) who want more roads, no traffic lights, no rab's, no pedestrian crossings, free parking, cos road tax

- commuters (bus) who want more road space for bus lanes, higher frequency, greater coverage

- commuters (cyclists) who want to be able to travel safely without choking on fumes, getting run over or abused all without interaction with other modes.

- commuters (pedestrians) who want to be able to cross safely without having to wait several minutes before the lights change, not choke on fumes, not get run over by any other mode of transport

Sounds easy to get all of those to agree

Of course it's not, for all the reasons you've outlined. But nobody in those groups can be happy with the city as it is.
But it's only when you put these disparate groups in a room together, that debate, understanding and concessions can happen.

Maybe this idea is pie in the sky thinking, but we're going nowhere ( literally at times) now

phelant · 16-11-2019 2:58pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

If you 'actually care' about any road users, your priority would be get drivers to stop killing people. Drivers are involved in 99% of road deaths. Cyclists are involved in 5%. The majority of road deaths are drivers killing other drivers and passengers. So without even looking at blame or responsibility, it's easy to see where the root cause lies. If you 'actually care' about reducing death and injury on the roads, get drivers to slow down and put their phones down. It's hard to take preaching about 'being able to follow rules' too seriously from the group of road users where 98% break speed limits, the majority use their mobile phones at the wheel, 2nd highest levels of checking social media while driving in Europe etc etc.

Not sure I understand what you are trying to say here with your assumptions and inverted commas. I (an individual) care enough to drive according to the ROTH and use common sense while maintaining vigilance for other road users. That's at a minimum. What I do beyond that (and I have for the record) is my business.

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Wow, that's just amazing. I mean, how likely is that, when you really think about it?

Not impossible when you have a Sat Nav (that warns you when you are changing to a lower speed zone), eyes (to observe signage) and a brain that allows you to err on the side of caution and drive according to conditions and environment. I am also smart enough to realise that if I collide with and kill someone (cyclist, pedestrian, other motorist etc etc) and the fault lies with me, I will have to live with that for the rest of my life. I think some don't get that or maybe don't care but I have no intention of putting myself in that situation if at all possible.

But why give any credit to individuals who at least make the effort when you can just pour scorn and generalise.

16-11-2019 3:14pm

phelant wrote: »

But why give any credit to individuals who at least make the effort when you can just pour scorn and generalise.

Pot kettle and all that

phelant · 16-11-2019 3:23pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Pot kettle and all that

Where?

xckjoo · 16-11-2019 5:16pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Very easy to endanger a pedestrian though.

As the number of cyclists in the road has increased, crossing in apparently stationary traffic has got more fraught.

What's that got to do with your question about if cyclists are required to undertake cars at 1.5m?

AndrewJRenko · 16-11-2019 5:56pm

JCX BXC wrote: »

Votes and referendums are a tricky game in the modern world, I certainly wouldn't be putting issues such as traffic congestion to a vote. Save that for constitutional and social issues.

Fully agree.

JCX BXC wrote: »

Cyclists and cars and cyclists and cars etc, is there not somewhere else ye can get offended and annoyed at eachother about this? From what I can see it's next to no effect on the traffic issues here, so spare us!

It really does matter. One of the biggest opportunities not currently addressed is the opportunity to shift people out of cars onto bikes. The development of eBikes is making longer journeys more achievable. eBikes are great for older people and some people with disabilities who need some extra oopmh. Each bike takes far less space on the road, creates little or no toxic emissions and improves public health significantly.

Small minded people don't see that the more you can encourage cycling, the more space you'll have left on the roads for the remaining drivers. Also this 'cyclists are the menace' nonsense, apart from being just factually untrue, is a deterrent to getting more people cycling. It enables those who go even further with threats of violence and bullying.

So yeah, it HAS a very significant impact on traffic policy.

phelant wrote: »

Not sure I understand what you are trying to say here with your assumptions and inverted commas. I (an individual) care enough to drive according to the ROTH and use common sense while maintaining vigilance for other road users. That's at a minimum. What I do beyond that (and I have for the record) is my business.

Isn't it funny though, how when it comes to talking about cyclists, it is 'cyclists' as a generic and all-emcompassing group. But when it comes to driving, it's all about you, and like every other poster, you're a safe driver.

This might be a good time for you to rethink your 'mental assault' comment.

phelant wrote: »

Not impossible when you have a Sat Nav (that warns you when you are changing to a lower speed zone), eyes (to observe signage) and a brain that allows you to err on the side of caution and drive according to conditions and environment. I am also smart enough to realise that if I collide with and kill someone (cyclist, pedestrian, other motorist etc etc) and the fault lies with me, I will have to live with that for the rest of my life. I think some don't get that or maybe don't care but I have no intention of putting myself in that situation if at all possible.

You're right. It's not impossible, but it is fairly unlikely. It is 98% unlikely that are one of the minority of drivers who doesn't break speed limits. That's not a personal attack on you. It's just a statement of fact, based on the numbers.

phelant wrote: »

But why give any credit to individuals who at least make the effort when you can just pour scorn and generalise.

Coming from the person who was claiming 'mental assault' by cyclists, it's hard to take this too seriously.

AndrewJRenko · 16-11-2019 5:57pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Very easy to endanger a pedestrian though.

As the number of cyclists in the road has increased, crossing in apparently stationary traffic has got more fraught.

Fraught? You just have to remember that in stationary traffic, you may well have cyclists cycling perfectly legally filtering through traffic. You just have to look before crossing - hardly 'fraught'.

Mrs OBumble · 16-11-2019 7:54pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Fraught? You just have to remember that in stationary traffic, you may well have cyclists cycling perfectly legally filtering through traffic. You just have to look before crossing - hardly 'fraught'.

Nope, you have to look individually for every line of vehicles: crossing a 4 lane road that means four individual stop-and-checks.

AndrewJRenko · 16-11-2019 8:55pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Nope, you have to look individually for every line of vehicles: crossing a 4 lane road that means four individual stop-and-checks.

Generally, looking at what's happening while crossing the road, any road, is a good idea. It's not really anything to do with cyclists, and cyclists are not the major danger on the road, as any review of KSI data will confirm.

Looking where you're going isn't exactly 'fraught'.

JCX BXC · 16-11-2019 10:44pm

What 4 lane road is ever stationary enough to justify crossing in Galway? Do these roads not all have bike lanes? If you do decide to cross them, it wouldn't be bikes that's the issue.

zell12 · 17-11-2019 12:04pm

JCX BXC wrote: »

What 4 lane road is ever stationary enough to justify crossing in Galway?
Do these roads not all have bike lanes? If you do decide to cross them, it wouldn't be bikes that's the issue.

Sean Mulvoy Road is frequently blocked by vehicles. No crossings on that 600m stretch

Mrs OBumble · 17-11-2019 2:01pm

JCX BXC wrote: »

What 4 lane road is ever stationary enough to justify crossing in Galway? Do these roads not all have bike lanes? If you do decide to cross them, it wouldn't be bikes that's the issue.

Most roads do not have bike lanes, as you'd know if you had a clue about the city. Even if they did cyclists aren't required to stick to them.

Most roads have some periods when is perfectly safe to cross because traffic isn't moving. But now you have to cross in front of each car and check for undertaking cyclists in the gap between the car and the footpath.

JCX BXC · 17-11-2019 2:36pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Most roads do not have bike lanes, as you'd know if you had a clue about the city. Even if they did cyclists aren't required to stick to them.

Most roads have some periods when is perfectly safe to cross because traffic isn't moving. But now you have to cross in front of each car and check for undertaking cyclists in the gap between the car and the footpath.

Alright MrsO'Happy,

While I missed the Sean mulvoy road, I can't think of any other 4 lane road without a bike lane until the N6 at Ballybrit (and if you run across that road, you do need help)

Try crossing the quincentenary bridge at any time during daylight hours, it's almost guarenteed not to happen.

I've also never seen cyclists not on the cycle lane on these stretches.

John_Rambo · 17-11-2019 3:23pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Most roads do not have bike lanes, as you'd know if you had a clue about the city. Even if they did cyclists aren't required to stick to them.

Most roads have some periods when is perfectly safe to cross because traffic isn't moving. But now you have to cross in front of each car and check for undertaking cyclists in the gap between the car and the footpath.

No..

You're overcomplicating crossing the road.

1 - look for a safe place with good visibility in both directions.

2 - look right and make sure there is no traffic (bikes, cars, trucks etc..) coming towards you.

3 - look left and make sure there is no traffic (bikes, cars, trucks etc..) coming towards you.

Cross the road.

AndrewJRenko · 17-11-2019 3:39pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

But now you have to cross in front of each car and check for undertaking cyclists in the gap between the car and the footpath.

When did you NOT have to check for cyclists filtering through the gap between the car and the footpath?

roytheboyo · 17-11-2019 4:02pm

Would there be any chance that people here could please come up with constructive suggestions and others respectfully analyse these suggestions rather than the same few point scoring over and back, it's depressing.
This is why we are where we are, it's not about being right or wrong.
I don't think it helps referring to x or y road either, the whole city is ×ucked, and solutions are urgently needed.

ben.schlomo · 17-11-2019 4:11pm

roytheboyo wrote: »

Would there be any chance that people here could please come up with constructive suggestions and others respectfully analyse these suggestions rather than the same few point scoring over and back, it's depressing.
This is why we are where we are, it's not about being right or wrong.
I don't think it helps referring to x or y road either, the whole city is ×ucked, and solutions are urgently needed.

Lots of constructive suggestions have been made here in the past, before the mods closed previous threads. Stuff such as increased bus lanes, cycle lanes, further pedestrianisation or closing of some city centre streets to cars etc etc.

When people come on making up nonsense stories of their 'experience' and being called out on it that's when it goes the **** show route.

phelant · 18-11-2019 1:04pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Isn't it funny though, how when it comes to talking about cyclists, it is 'cyclists' as a generic and all-emcompassing group. But when it comes to driving, it's all about you, and like every other poster, you're a safe driver.

This might be a good time for you to rethink your 'mental assault' comment.

You're right. It's not impossible, but it is fairly unlikely. It is 98% unlikely that are one of the minority of drivers who doesn't break speed limits. That's not a personal attack on you. It's just a statement of fact, based on the numbers.

Coming from the person who was claiming 'mental assault' by cyclists, it's hard to take this too seriously.

How is saying some cyclists all encompassing? And when it appears that I care more about some cyclist's safety than they do themselves then I will stick by my opinion. As far as being unlikely to follow speed limits I disagree. I do and have the routine tailgating/lights flashing 'drive on' brigade to contend with on a regular basis (not to mention dangerous overtaking). Unlikely does not mean impossible.

Mrs OBumble · 18-11-2019 6:52pm

John_Rambo wrote: »

No..

You're overcomplicating crossing the road.

1 - look for a safe place with good visibility in both directions.

2 - look right and make sure there is no traffic (bikes, cars, trucks etc..) coming towards you.

3 - look left and make sure there is no traffic (bikes, cars, trucks etc..) coming towards you.

Cross the road.

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

When did you NOT have to check for cyclists filtering through the gap between the car and the footpath?

Do you realise that it is attitudes like these which cyclists so unpopular?

If I'm crossing the the Parkmore Rd or Headford Rd at peak time when traffic is heavy, then the simplistic list above goes right out the window. It's simply not possible to check for undertaking cyclists in every lane before crossing, because they are hidden behind other vehicles (Transit and bigger aren't exactly see-thru!).

And when there were fewer cyclists, they tended to be less aggressive: the cyclists acknowledged that there was likelihood of pedestrians crossing between stationary cars, and adjusted their speed. Now they're far more entitled in their driving (having been told of their right to "filter"), and there are far more of them.

donvito99 · 19-11-2019 9:02am

It is not difficult or onerous for those of us blessed with the gift of sight to check one last time having crossed two or more stationary traffic lanes for filtering cyclists.

You are making 'crossing the road' out to be some sort of epic, and statistically it's vehicles, not cyclists, which pose the danger to pedestrians.

UsBus · 19-11-2019 9:10am

30 mins to get through Claregalway this morning at 7am...Working in Galway has become painful..Can't wait to move somewhere else

John_Rambo · 19-11-2019 10:01am

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Do you realise that it is attitudes like these which cyclists so unpopular?

I'm speaking as a pedestrian that's already crossed several busy roads today.

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

If I'm crossing the the Parkmore Rd or Headford Rd at peak time when traffic is heavy, then the simplistic list above goes right out the window. It's simply not possible to check for undertaking cyclists in every lane before crossing, because they are hidden behind other vehicles (Transit and bigger aren't exactly see-thru!).

You're making an issue out of nothing, you've never been knocked down by a cyclist. It's crossing a road, if you're unsure make your way to a pedestrian crossing or ask someone to help you.

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

And when there were fewer cyclists, they tended to be less aggressive: the cyclists acknowledged that there was likelihood of pedestrians crossing between stationary cars, and adjusted their speed. Now they're far more entitled in their driving (having been told of their right to "filter"), and there are far more of them.

Cyclists have always filtered, this is nothing new. There's increase in cycling countrywide. Be careful crossing if you insist on doing so without using pedestrian lights.

what_traffic · 19-11-2019 10:04am

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Do you realise that it is attitudes like these which cyclists so unpopular?

Hmmm - you could say the same about you on these types of threads?

connemara man · 19-11-2019 10:58am

**MOD NOTE**

Keep the discussion about the topic and not eachother.

jjpep · 19-11-2019 11:05am

At the risk of showing my age but this was one of the ways we learned to cross the road back in the day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEssgMQ1O_k

Hope that helps.

xckjoo · 19-11-2019 11:10am

UsBus wrote: »

30 mins to get through Claregalway this morning at 7am...Working in Galway has become painful..Can't wait to move somewhere else

Weird. I found the city traffic quiet at around 9am. I'll never understand how there can be so much variation in traffic volume at the same time every day.

zell12 · 19-11-2019 11:16am

jjpep wrote: »

At the risk of showing my age but this was one of the ways we learned to cross the road back in the day:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEssgMQ1O_k Hope that helps.

Stuck in my head all day now. :pac:

zell12 · 19-11-2019 11:19am

xckjoo wrote: »

Weird. I found the city traffic quiet at around 9am. I'll never understand how there can be so much variation in traffic volume at the same time every day.

It's the volume of private vehicles coming from north, east, south, converging into east Galway when Parkmore/Mervue shifts start

xckjoo · 19-11-2019 11:26am

zell12 wrote: »

It's the volume of private vehicles coming from north, east, south, converging into east Galway when Parkmore/Mervue shifts start

I more mean that you can go to/from work at the same time every day of every week and the volume of traffic can vary enormously. Some mornings the traffic starts outside my house, the next it's like it's a Sunday. More often the former than the latter though

Mrs OBumble · 19-11-2019 11:49am

xckjoo wrote: »

Weird. I found the city traffic quiet at around 9am. I'll never understand how there can be so much variation in traffic volume at the same time every day.

Where do you mean by city traffic, though? Inner city is usually quiet in the mornings it's the fringes that are busy.

Overall theres no one factor, lots of things contribute:

Shift patterns - I've explained before about annual leave and the Friday effect.

College having classes vs study leave / exams. Also block courses at GMIT, which sometimes don't match term dates.

Schools having term holidays or teacher only days etc.

I'm told there's also a noticable effect on some days due to clinics being held or not at Merlin and the Galway Clinic. (Haven't been in the places where I could observe this myself. )

And the road network doesn't have much redundancy, so an accident in one place can have effects a long way away.

Weather - fine weather cyclists take the car when it rains.

19-11-2019 11:50am

xckjoo wrote: »

Weird. I found the city traffic quiet at around 9am. I'll never understand how there can be so much variation in traffic volume at the same time every day.

As I’ve said before traffic is usually fine by 9am on.

I’ve was still tucked up in bed reading the posts earlier of people taking 30 mins to go a few km. I leave for work around 9am from 25km outside the city and get to my desk in the city in 30 to 35mins most mornings.

Leaving an hour earlier would be total hardship though. So anyone who has a bit of flexibility in work and can start around 9:30/10am will save themselves a lot of pain. Similar on the way home you are going home a bit later and will miss the worst of the traffic.

what_traffic · 19-11-2019 11:57am

https://connachttribune.ie/funding-secured-for-13-new-bus-shelters-across-city/
Councillor Donal Lyons says the move will support the push to encourage more people to use public transport.

Every little bit helps.

UsBus · 19-11-2019 11:59am

zell12 wrote: »

It's the volume of private vehicles coming from north, east, south, converging into east Galway when Parkmore/Mervue shifts start

Yes, Parkmore has become chronic morning and evenings.
Leaving Parkmore after 4.00, you can either cue up for ages to try and get onto the motorway/Oranmore direction. If not, you can head down the hill to the Tuam road, where you can either head to town or Claregalway. Both are awful the majority of the time. That junction at the bottom of the hill should be seriously improved. And why there is no link to the curragh line without having to go into town or Claregalway, I will never know. Traffic could filter away a lot more if that option was there.

xckjoo · 19-11-2019 12:17pm

Jazmin Harsh Gold wrote: »

As I’ve said before traffic is usually fine by 9am on.

I’ve was still tucked up in bed reading the posts earlier of people taking 30 mins to go a few km. I leave for work around 9am from 25km outside the city and get to my desk in the city in 30 to 35mins most mornings.

Leaving an hour earlier would be total hardship though. So anyone who has a bit of flexibility in work and can start around 9:30/10am will save themselves a lot of pain. Similar on the way home you are going home a bit later and will miss the worst of the traffic.

Evenings are the main issue for commuting in a car within the city. Mornings take 10-15mins but can take more than an hour to do the inverse trip in the evenings. Maybe if I waited until after 6 it would be faster but I've other stuff for doing.

The bus is actually faster for me getting home, but cycling beats them all.

what_traffic wrote: »

https://connachttribune.ie/funding-secured-for-13-new-bus-shelters-across-city/
Councillor Donal Lyons says the move will support the push to encourage more people to use public transport.

Every little bit helps.

I'd personally take bus lanes over shelters but hopefully it's the start of something more substantial. At least people will be dry while waiting for the bus that's late :pac:

19-11-2019 12:20pm

xckjoo wrote: »

Evenings are the main issue for commuting in a car within the city. Mornings take 10-15mins but can take more than an hour to do the inverse trip in the evenings. Maybe if I waited until after 6 it would be faster but I've other stuff for doing.

The bus is actually faster for me getting home, but cycling beats them all.

I generally find the evening better on my route, I'd never leave work before 6:30 normally often later and would take me 25 to 30 mins usually to get home. There are outlier days where things are worse but the norm is grand. In fairness there other routes which are heavier in the evenings though so I'm lucky in that mine isn't bad.

what_traffic · 19-11-2019 12:44pm

xckjoo wrote: »

I'd personally take bus lanes over shelters but hopefully it's the start of something more substantial. At least people will be dry while waiting for the bus that's late :pac:

Agree ya bus lanes are needed but shelters are essential - City Council don't even pay for the Shelters themselves (they do pay for the Groundwork preparation for them). Adshel provide Shelters and Maintenance and the Change of Advertising Posters.
Hopefully they will consider existing locations like Parkmore, GMIT(Both could do with more Shelters.) as well as new locations.

at1withmyself · 19-11-2019 8:22pm

what_traffic wrote: »

Agree ya bus lanes are needed but shelters are essential - City Council don't even pay for the Shelters themselves (they do pay for the Groundwork preparation for them). Adshel provide Shelters and Maintenance and the Change of Advertising Posters.
Hopefully they will consider existing locations like Parkmore, GMIT(Both could do with more Shelters.) as well as new locations.

Its also feasible to do the bus shelters in a relative short time period whereas bus lanes can take years of planning so its a good step.

Outside B&Q and GMIT are 2 I can think of that badly need good shelters. Anywhere the list can be viewed?

zell12 · 19-11-2019 8:32pm

at1withmyself wrote: »

Outside B&Q and GMIT are 2 I can think of that badly need good shelters. Anywhere the list can be viewed?

Neither included
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MaxFlower · 19-11-2019 9:35pm

what_traffic wrote: »

Agree ya bus lanes are needed but shelters are essential - City Council don't even pay for the Shelters themselves (they do pay for the Groundwork preparation for them). Adshel provide Shelters and Maintenance and the Change of Advertising Posters.
Hopefully they will consider existing locations like Parkmore, GMIT(Both could do with more Shelters.) as well as new locations.

Why not Bus Eireann. surely they should be doing all they can to enhance customer experience.

Mrs OBumble · 19-11-2019 11:16pm

MaxFlower wrote: »

Why not Bus Eireann. surely they should be doing all they can to enhance customer experience.

Anti-competitive: If they owned the shelters, they could stop other companies buses from using the stops. It's better if the council contracts to have street-furniture provided.

what_traffic · 20-11-2019 10:05am

MaxFlower wrote: »

Why not Bus Eireann. surely they should be doing all they can to enhance customer experience.

Its been this way in the City since at least 2012 now, NTA now called TII had to step in as Bus Eireann were.... how to put it nicely.... doing SFA.
TII and City Council have been a bit more proactive since then.
Mrs OBumble might be able to confirm on the year this change happened.

what_traffic · 20-11-2019 10:10am

at1withmyself wrote: »

Its also feasible to do the bus shelters in a relative short time period whereas bus lanes can take years of planning so its a good step.

Outside B&Q and GMIT are 2 I can think of that badly need good shelters. Anywhere the list can be viewed?

Agree.
Would imagine that GMIT would be making strong represntations on this??? Agree re 405 Terminus at B & Q. That Road is perhaps still a Private Road that has not been taking into ownership by the Council?

AndrewJRenko · 20-11-2019 1:21pm

what_traffic wrote: »

Agree ya bus lanes are needed but shelters are essential - City Council don't even pay for the Shelters themselves (they do pay for the Groundwork preparation for them). Adshel provide Shelters and Maintenance and the Change of Advertising Posters.
Hopefully they will consider existing locations like Parkmore, GMIT(Both could do with more Shelters.) as well as new locations.

Isn't it funny how roads get funded by default, but bus shelters and bike share schemes have to get commercial sponsorship?

Maybe we should switch things around and fund sustainable transport by default and look for sponsors for roads?

How does the Coca Cola 2k Tailback sound?

We could use technology to direct mandatory video adverts onto the phones of the drivers, and force them to watch a couple of ads before they pass?

what_traffic · 20-11-2019 2:13pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Isn't it funny how roads get funded by default, but bus shelters and bike share schemes have to get commercial sponsorship?

Maybe we should switch things around and fund sustainable transport by default and look for sponsors for roads?

How does the Coca Cola 2k Tailback sound?

We could use technology to direct mandatory video adverts onto the phones of the drivers, and force them to watch a couple of ads before they pass?

I like your thinking.
As far as I know ADSHEL are only delighted to put up a shelter.
It does show how lazy council have been with regards Bus Shelters when they don't even have to fully install or maintain them.

xckjoo · 20-11-2019 3:25pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Isn't it funny how roads get funded by default, but bus shelters and bike share schemes have to get commercial sponsorship?

Maybe we should switch things around and fund sustainable transport by default and look for sponsors for roads?

How does the Coca Cola 2k Tailback sound?

We could use technology to direct mandatory video adverts onto the phones of the drivers, and force them to watch a couple of ads before they pass?

Most people will already be looking at their phones so could work. Could also use it for tolls. "Drink two Pepsi's to use this road". Might as well go whole hog on the unhealthiness.

Andrew00 · 20-11-2019 6:30pm

Absolutely chronic this evening

Mrs OBumble · 20-11-2019 6:47pm

I hope that the GMIT intersection re-design includes some big bus shelters - you could call it more of a hub than a shelter. (I have no idea if this is iin the plan or not, but there's plenty of GMIT owned land there to to it.

Similarly at Parkmore: Merit Medical currently have a planning application in to put a pedestrian access beside the current bus shelter. If the county council had a clue, they'd make a couple of large shelters part of the deal.

Someone asked when the council took responsibility for shelters. I checked my news announcements, and found one from 2009 which said they were about to start installing shelters on routes 9 (now called 409) and 33. But I remember standing in the rain & snow at Parkmore in 2010, so must have it taken a while.

Fitz* · 20-11-2019 10:02pm

As far as I can remember, HP built the bus shelter as part of the new office build there too. This then became the new 405 terminus stop. The old terminus stop had no shelter whatsoever. Don't think it even had a timetable.

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