Aston Villa Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14

First post.

To carry on as we left off..
Lerner is crap
Lambert is good
Benteke is great

Doodee wrote: »

First post!

Would be nice to do a loan with option to buy for Glyffy

Ah **** ya!!!

CSF wrote: »

First post.

To carry on as we left off..
Lerner is crap
Lambert is good
Benteke is great

Think you're being incredibly harsh on Lerner. When needed he put his hand in his pocket.
He has us running as a well managed club and early form suggests we are on the up and up.

I really hope we will have lambert managing us successfully five years time and if all goes well in ten. I want him to make a dynasty.

I like what he is doing with the club, I like that he is moulding the team into his team, he didnt give in to pressure when times got tough and we are showing marked improvement.

We are doing it right and long may it lady. UTV!

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

Glad to see the back of Stephen Ireland. For a season at least

His contract is up next year.

And just to follow up on a previous discussion - I see here that Lerner's loans to AVFC are actually only £107m, meaning that his total investment in the club (~170m) is considerably less than I initially guessed.

So assuming Villa could be sold for around the £250m mark, he would come out of the deal with an £80m* profit on a £170m** investment, over only 7 years.

He joked at the time he bought the club that you don't buy teams to make money, if he wanted to make money, he'd just buy a 10 year bond. Well, if my figures are on the money (massive caveat!), he is making the equivalent of a 7-year bond paying a coupon of 7%.

I must stress though, I am happy with the job he has done at the club and am excited about the direction we are going. But this notion of Lerner as a philanthropic lover of the club is a tad naive.

*Probably more, given that he was initially charging the club interest on his loans
**Though most of this was up front and early on, some of this was invested over time, meaning inflation would adjust this total figure downwards a wee bit. Actually, disregard this, because his profit would be inflation adjusted aswell.

COYVB wrote: »

Can't imagine we're not still paying a big chunk of Ireland's wages

Agree. I imagine at least 50%.

With Bent we might still be paying a small amount too.

But I could still see Given and Hutton going to the Championship on loan. We'd still be paying a good chunk of their wage but it would help. They both seem like players who want to play

Even if we're paying half of Ireland's wages, the net result of this window on the wagebill has probably still been a reduction.

We are the new Arsenal, folks. The new new Arsenal, I mean. Not the one that won all that stuff.

Lads, a poor reflection on the club not to answer either email I sent them ( see below ). Have forwarded complaint on to West Midlands Police today - truly shocked that they would ignore such a thing.

Hi,
Sorry for having to send this email, but it relates to the experience I had today after travelling from Ireland with my wife and 2 young boys.
My client reference is xxxxxxand I bought 4 tickets ( 2 adult & 2 children ) to the family area in Trinity Road Middle B, Row 26, seats 264 -268.
During the game when Liverpool scored, a fan of theirs down below us ( in the home end ) jumped up and celebrated. At this stage, the bald man behind me in Row 27, either seat 260 / 261 shouted to " sit down you Paki"
A lady with her child right in front of me challenged his racism and was told to " **** off, it's football match ".
The steward in our area could clearly see what had happened but chose to ignore it. This led to further comments of " **** off you ****ing **** " at regular intervals, then a remark that the liverpool supporters in the wheelchairs close to us were " spastics " and to me the most insulting from a personal point of view was that "all the Irish were ****ing terrorists " ( relating to Liverpool's singing of The Fields Of Athenry )
Now I understand that morons are likely in a crowd of 42,000 but I genuinely believe that in a family area, full of children this behaviour should have been confronted. With my children beside me I could not confront him, though they were quite upset by his tone.
I'd really appreciate your thoughts on this matter, it really took away from what should have been a great day. I got the impression the offender was a season ticket holder as he seemed to know a few around him - he has no place at a football game.
Many thanks for reading - if you need to discuss further you can call me at xxxxxxxxx

mirwillbeback wrote: »

Lads, a poor reflection on the club not to answer either email I sent them ( see below ). Have forwarded complaint on to West Midlands Police today - truly shocked that they would ignore such a thing.

Hi,
Sorry for having to send this email, but it relates to the experience I had today after travelling from Ireland with my wife and 2 young boys.
My client reference is xxxxxxand I bought 4 tickets ( 2 adult & 2 children ) to the family area in Trinity Road Middle B, Row 26, seats 264 -268.
During the game when Liverpool scored, a fan of theirs down below us ( in the home end ) jumped up and celebrated. At this stage, the bald man behind me in Row 27, either seat 260 / 261 shouted to " sit down you Paki"
A lady with her child right in front of me challenged his racism and was told to " **** off, it's football match ".
The steward in our area could clearly see what had happened but chose to ignore it. This led to further comments of " **** off you ****ing **** " at regular intervals, then a remark that the liverpool supporters in the wheelchairs close to us were " spastics " and to me the most insulting from a personal point of view was that "all the Irish were ****ing terrorists " ( relating to Liverpool's singing of The Fields Of Athenry )
Now I understand that morons are likely in a crowd of 42,000 but I genuinely believe that in a family area, full of children this behaviour should have been confronted. With my children beside me I could not confront him, though they were quite upset by his tone.
I'd really appreciate your thoughts on this matter, it really took away from what should have been a great day. I got the impression the offender was a season ticket holder as he seemed to know a few around him - he has no place at a football game.
Many thanks for reading - if you need to discuss further you can call me at xxxxxxxxx

Good on you for reporting it to the police at least. Could you have had a quiet word with another steward, if the one closest to you was clearly doing nothing about it? Sorry, I hate when people give me advice long after the event

jimmy the car wrote: »

Just checked there and unless alot changes Sky have in all their wisdom decided Swindon v Chelsea is a better cup game to show than us v Spurs, would have sworn they would show two premiership teams over that draw, but sure obviously I'm wrong

Now that their cherished rent(-a-quote) boy is back, there's no hope of any game involving Chelsea being second choice.

A career spent promising to prove himself to former managers. Tells its own story, really.

Just spotted on VT there Stan's charity match is being televised this Sunday on BT Sports 2 for anyone who has it.

mirwillbeback wrote: »

Lads, a poor reflection on the club not to answer either email I sent them ( see below ). Have forwarded complaint on to West Midlands Police today - truly shocked that they would ignore such a thing.

Hi,
Sorry for having to send this email, but it relates to the experience I had today after travelling from Ireland with my wife and 2 young boys.
My client reference is xxxxxxand I bought 4 tickets ( 2 adult & 2 children ) to the family area in Trinity Road Middle B, Row 26, seats 264 -268.
During the game when Liverpool scored, a fan of theirs down below us ( in the home end ) jumped up and celebrated. At this stage, the bald man behind me in Row 27, either seat 260 / 261 shouted to " sit down you Paki"
A lady with her child right in front of me challenged his racism and was told to " **** off, it's football match ".
The steward in our area could clearly see what had happened but chose to ignore it. This led to further comments of " **** off you ****ing **** " at regular intervals, then a remark that the liverpool supporters in the wheelchairs close to us were " spastics " and to me the most insulting from a personal point of view was that "all the Irish were ****ing terrorists " ( relating to Liverpool's singing of The Fields Of Athenry )
Now I understand that morons are likely in a crowd of 42,000 but I genuinely believe that in a family area, full of children this behaviour should have been confronted. With my children beside me I could not confront him, though they were quite upset by his tone.
I'd really appreciate your thoughts on this matter, it really took away from what should have been a great day. I got the impression the offender was a season ticket holder as he seemed to know a few around him - he has no place at a football game.
Many thanks for reading - if you need to discuss further you can call me at xxxxxxxxx

That is disgusting. Really hope that it gets properly followed up, and that the individual involved gets a lifelong ban from the ground, and also anything the police can hit him with.

The fact you can provide a lot of details should make it easier for the person in question to be tracked down and questioned.

The bit about the steward really annoyed me, and it is certainly not something unique to Villa Park. Speaking from experience there is one steward in particular in the Kop end at Anfield who does a similar job at ignoring things to what the guy at Villa Park did when you were there. The P*ki comment reminded me of a very similar incident at Anfield some seasons back where a knucklehead thought it was amusing to verbally abuse a small group of lads by using similar language to what was used to you. A regular steward was called over a number of time by my brother and I after we had had a few words with the idiot and the idiot even used the same word with the steward there and still the steward did nothing. The only time the steward actually grew a set was with me when I asked one of the guys being abused if he would switch seats with me so that I could sit between his mates and the guy with the racist comments and that saw mr racist comments go running to the steward about me swapping seats.

I really hope it does not turn you off going to Villa Park (or any other grounds) and that you and your family have many more trips there with no such hassle in the future. It takes a lot of effort and money for people to make trips to games like you and your family did, and nobody has the right to ruin the trip or a portion of the trip.

As for the club not getting back to you quickly. That is poor enough form on the surface of things, but maybe they are checking things in detail before replying and you will get a response once they have done so. I hope so anyway.

Neil3030 wrote: »

God these international breaks make Saturdays so boring.

Agreed.

astonaidan wrote: »

Speak for yourself, I just built a piggy bank

Well for those of who don't engineer novelty currency storage items, it's a boring day!

Anyone see what Kozak's goal for the Czech Reupblic was like tonight?

Neil3030 wrote: »

Didn't see the goal but apparently he elbowed some guy, leaving him blood all over his face...

Ah that'll mean nothing in the Premiership, sure if Ivanovic can get away with it of course we can too