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Heavyweight Boxing

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  • #4752
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,619 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    He’ll get no kudos off me if he bags some made up sham of a belt by beating some bum!


  • #4753
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    walshb wrote: »
    He’ll get no kudos off me if he bags some made up sham of a belt by beating some bum!

    Nor me. He has to beat a proper champion. I can’t see it


  • #4754
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,619 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    squinn2912 wrote: »
    Nor me. He has to beat a proper champion. I can’t see it

    I could be wrong here, because of the alphabet nonsense that is the WBA/WBC and WBO, bit I think only Wilder and AJ are legitimate HW champions..


  • #4755
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    walshb wrote: »
    I could be wrong here, because of the alphabet nonsense that is the WBA/WBC and WBO, bit I think only Wilder and AJ are legitimate HW champions..

    Well there’s the “lineal” champion too from Ring but if that’s acknowledged then we may quit. Those are the ones that I reluctantly recognise. See fools like whyte wobbling into the ring with a gold, silver, bronze world title. Grinds my gears


  • #4756
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,619 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    squinn2912 wrote: »
    Well there’s the “lineal” champion too from Ring but if that’s acknowledged then we may quit. Those are the ones that I reluctantly recognise. See fools like whyte wobbling into the ring with a gold, silver, bronze world title. Grinds my gears

    I deliberately didn’t acknowledge that. Anyway, the lineage of it is all over the place...

    Plus, Fury being a drugs cheat expunges his claim!


  • #4757
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,129 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    squinn2912 wrote: »
    See fools like whyte wobbling into the ring with a gold, silver, bronze world title. Grinds my gears

    Im always amazed by the amount of British fans on FB and twitter who think Whyte is a world beater and that Wilder is ducking him.


  • #4758
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    walshb wrote: »
    I deliberately didn’t acknowledge that. Anyway, the lineage of it is all over the place...

    Plus, Fury being a drugs cheat expunges his claim!

    Haha I know you did that’s why I brought it up to stir! That and the lay off or retirement too. But tbf I think he got done in the wilder fight so he stands a champion until we see how the rematch goes


  • #4759
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    normanoffside wrote: »
    Im always amazed by the amount of British fans on FB and twitter who think Whyte is a world beater and that Wilder is ducking him.

    Totally he’s nowhere early good enough to be ducked. He is good enough to be considered for a title defence though


  • #4760
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,129 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Whyte vs Povetkin and Dubois vs Joyce are apparently both going to be announced this week.


  • #4761
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    normanoffside wrote: »
    Whyte vs Povetkin and Dubois vs Joyce are apparently both going to be announced this week.

    Decent and interesting match ups but I think povetkin is finished, he was very ragged looking against hunter and a heavy hitter could do him real damage I fear.


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  • #4762
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,808 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Did anyone of you catch the break down of the Fury v Wilder fight with Haye and Ben Davison ,
    It was a great watch and Ben stood out miles in his break down (obviously because he was involved )

    The lad obviously has his weak points as trainer possible due to being so new and inexperienced nut he really does have a great eye for boxing ,
    If any on here haven't been in and out of boxing gyms and are just causal fans its a great watch, to show you just how much detail can go into a fight,

    I seen it on youtube but I think it was a BT thing ,


  • #4763
    Brief_Lives
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Did anyone of you catch the break down of the Fury v Wilder fight with Haye and Ben Davison ,
    It was a great watch and Ben stood out miles in his break down (obviously because he was involved )

    The lad obviously has his weak points as trainer possible due to being so new and inexperienced nut he really does have a great eye for boxing ,
    If any on here haven't been in and out of boxing gyms and are just causal fans its a great watch, to show you just how much detail can go into a fight,

    I seen it on youtube but I think it was a BT thing ,


    this?



  • #4764
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,808 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Brief_Lives wrote: »
    this?


    That's the one I enjoyed it,
    I thought from it you can see Haye wasn't the best tactical boxer but he didn't need to be seeing he was a physical freak in his prime,


  • #4765
    Brief_Lives
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    That's the one I enjoyed it,
    I thought from it you can see Haye wasn't the best tactical boxer but he didn't need to be seeing he was a physical freak in his prime,

    it is an excellent 45+ minutes.....

    Sugar Ray Leonard VS Tommy Hearns, stylewise


  • #4766
    Morrison J
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,908 ✭✭✭Morrison J


    Brief_Lives wrote: »
    this?


    Very good watch.

    Can see why Fury boxed orthodox in the first fight and not southpaw. Davison keeps mentioning over and over how Fury's jab was used to occupy Wilder's right hand and keep it higher in a less dangerous position.


  • #4767
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,619 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I re-watched the fight. For large parts, Fury did eff all but mess.....

    He gets far too much credit for his showing....


  • #4768
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,129 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Joyce vs Dubois confirmed for 11th April


  • #4769
    The Nal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,012 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    normanoffside wrote: »
    Joyce vs Dubois confirmed for 11th April

    Ooh excellent!


  • #4770
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    normanoffside wrote: »
    Joyce vs Dubois confirmed for 11th April

    Saw that. I’m looking forward to this one. Big risk for both


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  • #4771
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,619 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Dubois, if he has a chin eats Joyce alive...


  • #4772
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,808 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Fair play to the two of them taking the fight ,


  • #4773
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    walshb wrote: »
    Dubois, if he has a chin eats Joyce alive...

    I think Joyce has a chin so stamina could come into it. Joyce must be convinced he can win because he could have avoided


  • #4774
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,129 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    squinn2912 wrote: »
    I think Joyce has a chin so stamina could come into it. Joyce must be convinced he can win because he could have avoided

    To be fair Joyce is old so he needs to take these fights. It’s now or never for him.


  • #4775
    Sebastian Dangerfield
    Registered Users Posts: 1,820 ✭✭✭Sebastian Dangerfield


    normanoffside wrote: »
    To be fair Joyce is old so he needs to take these fights. It’s now or never for him.

    Possibly, but he could have taken another route and gone after interim and regular titles. Credit where its due


  • #4776
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »
    Possibly, but he could have taken another route and gone after interim and regular titles. Credit where its due

    That’s the thing. He’s got to be sure he can win. He’s a huge, powerful man and not easy to fight. Well know a lot about Dubois after this one


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  • #4777
    US2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    Good to see Dubois having a tester like this, should win handily imo but a good test at this stage after fighting Gorman too. Would like to see him fight someone like povetkin next should he get through joyce.


  • #4778
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    US2 wrote: »
    Good to see Dubois having a tester like this, should win handily imo but a good test at this stage after fighting Gorman too. Would like to see him fight someone like povetkin next should he get through joyce.

    Povetkin shouldn’t be mentioned any longer as a realistic measurement of an up and coming fighter. He’s done.


  • #4779
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,619 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    squinn2912 wrote: »
    Povetkin shouldn’t be mentioned any longer as a realistic measurement of an up and coming fighter. He’s done.

    He is done. Bit he’s still far better and far more dangerous than anyone Dubois or Joyce have faced..

    So, going by progression, Povetkin would be a big step up for both...


  • #4780
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    walshb wrote: »
    He is done. Bit he’s still far better and far more dangerous than anyone Dubois or Joyce have faced..

    So, going by progression, Povetkin would be a big step up for both...

    It happens seldom but I don’t agree. At that rate they might as well wheel out frank bruno and have a world champion on their records as a measure of their progression. Povetkin is irrelevant now. If he fights Whyte I fear for his safety, especially should it go on long. He looked like he should have been pulled out vs hunter and was vulnerable from round 1


  • #4781
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,619 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    squinn2912 wrote: »
    It happens seldom but I don’t agree. At that rate they might as well wheel out frank bruno and have a world champion on their records as a measure of their progression. Povetkin is irrelevant now. If he fights Whyte I fear for his safety, especially should it go on long. He looked like he should have been pulled out vs hunter and was vulnerable from round 1

    It’s not really the point I was making...

    Povetkin is clearly past it, but still a top ten ranked HW, and still far better than anyone that either man has faced. My point stands. Clear step up in terms of risk, danger and talent...

    Be similar if Mick Conlan matched against a Kiko or Nonito. Both clearly past it fighters, but both clearly better than anything on Conlan’s ledger!!


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  • #4782
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,190 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    walshb wrote: »
    It’s not really the point I was making...

    Povetkin is clearly past it, but still a top ten ranked HW, and still far better than anyone that either man has faced. My point stands. Clear step up in terms of risk, danger and talent...

    Be similar if Mick Conlan matched against a Kiko or Nonito. Both clearly past it fighters, but both clearly better than anything on Conlan’s ledger!!

    Nonito's last outing would suggest he is far less past it that povetkin

    I think Whyte will make mince meat of him and Whyte isn't great


  • #4783
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,619 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Cyrus wrote: »
    Nonito's last outing would suggest he is far less past it that povetkin

    I think Whyte will make mince meat of him and Whyte isn't great

    Yeh, kind of agree. But Nonito still past it. An old stale type fighter now, despite his good showing v Inoue..


  • #4784
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    walshb wrote: »
    It’s not really the point I was making...

    Povetkin is clearly past it, but still a top ten ranked HW, and still far better than anyone that either man has faced. My point stands. Clear step up in terms of risk, danger and talent...

    Be similar if Mick Conlan matched against a Kiko or Nonito. Both clearly past it fighters, but both clearly better than anything on Conlan’s ledger!!

    Perhaps when aj fought him he was still worth a mention. He should be retired now and therefore not suitable. He’s done.


  • #4785
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,619 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    squinn2912 wrote: »
    Perhaps when aj fought him he was still worth a mention. He should be retired now and therefore not suitable. He’s done.

    I don’t disagree that he is past it...clearly he is..

    My point about him being a clear step up for both is true.

    And his current Ring rating shows that he is also clearly a step up for both...

    Would you make both clear favorites against him?


  • #4786
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    walshb wrote: »
    I don’t disagree that he is past it...clearly he is..

    My point about him being a clear step up for both is true.

    And his current Ring rating shows that he is also clearly a step up for both...

    Would you make both clear favorites against him?

    Yes I would. I don’t think it’s safe for him to be boxing. Those are two big, big boys and if they hit him he’d be in trouble.


  • #4787
    Bobby Baccala
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,342 ✭✭✭Bobby Baccala


    squinn2912 wrote: »
    Yes I would. I don’t think it’s safe for him to be boxing. Those are two big, big boys and if they hit him he’d be in trouble.

    Pure hyperbole, I saw the man live back in August and he handled Hughie Fury easy enough. He’s well over the hill but he still outboxed a bloke 15 years younger than him. Don’t think he’d beat either of them but he’s a much bigger test than Nathan Gorman or the likes.


  • #4788
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,619 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    squinn2912 wrote: »
    Yes I would. I don’t think it’s safe for him to be boxing. Those are two big, big boys and if they hit him he’d be in trouble.

    Come on. He’s past it, but let’s not make out he’s like a 1981 Ali...

    He’d still be their toughest test I reckon....because neither has beaten anyone..


  • #4789
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    walshb wrote: »
    Come on. He’s past it, but let’s not make out he’s like a 1981 Ali...

    He’d still be their toughest test I reckon....because neither has beaten anyone..

    Well we’re just not going to agree on Povetkin and that’s grand. Put it this way; one of us will be right and in a way I hope it’s you. If it is then I’ll happily concede the call. It’s well down the line at the moment tbf so I say let the two lads fight and we’ll see what comes out of that.


  • #4790
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,129 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Ah come on lads. You have folk on here saying that Povetkin is still a top heavy but he was lucky to draw with Hunter.
    Hunter got dominated by Usyk at Cruiser. If you think Povetkin is top 5/6 then Usyk Is automatically top 3. You can’t have it both ways.


  • #4791
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,619 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    It’s not about agreeing on where Povetkin is...

    It’s about comprehension. We all agree that he is past it.

    Ring do the ratings. He is top 8 for them..

    It’s very simple. He would be a clear step up for Joyce and Dubois. That is “fact.”

    Unless folks can show me from their ledgers clearly superior opponents to date?


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  • #4792
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    His name is likely still a draw and the result against hunter perhaps keeps him high on rankings but it was obvious that he was shot that night.
    Your opinion is that there is still enough of the old povetkin left to represent a challenge to these up and coming fighters. Mine is that a combination of juice use, age and taking some big shots recently leave it that little of his former self remains. Adding another 6 months minimum to that will make him even worse, possibly getting stopped again in the intermittent time


  • #4793
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,619 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    No, my fact is that Povetkin would be Joyce and Dubouis’ stiffest test to date....

    Do me a favor. Check their records. Apart from an over the hill and not near great, Stiverne, they have fought nobody close to even this version of AP..


  • #4794
    SHOVELLER
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,640 ✭✭✭SHOVELLER


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTECmBZFSB4

    :)


  • #4795
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,619 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    The dad saying a KO win for Tyson...

    Not my pick, but absolutely no surprise.


  • #4796
    fonecrusher1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,702 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    walshb wrote: »
    The dad saying a KO win for Tyson...

    PPV bait. More PPV's bought more money for everyone!


  • #4797
    Deiseboy01
    Registered Users Posts: 972 ✭✭✭Deiseboy01


    walshb wrote: »
    No, my fact is that Povetkin would be Joyce and Dubouis’ stiffest test to date....

    Do me a favor. Check their records. Apart from an over the hill and not near great, Stiverne, they have fought nobody close to even this version of AP..

    Joyce's win against Jennings is up there with a possible win against this version of AP imo.


  • #4798
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,619 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Deiseboy01 wrote: »
    Joyce's win against Jennings is up there with a possible win against this version of AP imo.

    It's not....

    Jennings is pants!

    This version of AP, we all know, is not at his best.....he is past it....still thunk he presents Joyce's toughest test to date.


  • #4799
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,619 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    ITV at 9 tonight. Tyson Fury: Gypsy King!


  • #4800
    Deiseboy01
    Registered Users Posts: 972 ✭✭✭Deiseboy01


    walshb wrote: »
    It's not....

    Jennings is pants!

    This version of AP, we all know, is not at his best.....he is past it....still thunk he presents Joyce's toughest test to date.

    Jennings did better v Wlad than AP


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  • #4801
    ThunderCat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭ThunderCat


    For those of you with a Kindle, Tyson Furys autobiography is part of Kindles 'Daily Deals' today meaning you get it for 99p. But as the term 'Daily Deals' suggests, it's only that price until midnight.


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