Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

LollipopJimmy · 31-10-2020 12:26pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

And the WhatsApp messages of the actual contract. Did you read the report??

I have only been ae to see whats in that tweet and there's nothing there that proves Leo sent it. Ony proof O'Tuathaill had it

Man with broke phone · 31-10-2020 12:28pm

JeffKenna wrote: »

That's secondhand though. Being fair, his mate can't speak for Leo.

His mate who is so close to Leo he has pints with him, hangs out at gay pride with him and is the only person Matt Barret follows on twitter.

His mate that is so close to Leo he can get confidential financial info couriered to his gaf from Leo.

You know when you price a job while trying to get a state contract and wish you knew how much all the other guys priced it for? This fella can get that info off his mate Leo.

Phoebas · 31-10-2020 12:31pm

Mr.S wrote: »

Screenshots from o'Tuathaills to Chay Bowes, the guy who went to the Village Magazine with the piece.

There's a screenshot that the magazine says is a text conversation between o'Tuathaill and Leo (headed 'Leo Varadkar Mob').

Chay Bowes is not involved in that text exchange.

Phoebas · 31-10-2020 12:32pm

Man with broke phone wrote: »

His mate who is so close to Leo he has pints with him, hangs out at gay pride with him and is the only person Matt Barret follows on twitter.

Case closed so.

31-10-2020 12:33pm

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

Am I missing something or is the only evidence a whatsapp message asking for his 'mates' hone address?

Some mate if he doesn’t know where he lives!

awec · 31-10-2020 12:34pm

I am guessing it's in The Village because none of the big media would run it without more substantial evidence.

Man with broke phone · 31-10-2020 12:35pm

Phoebas wrote: »

Case closed so.

Be flippant all you want but something stinks here. Looks like O Tuathhill is acting as the go between to keep the big man clean.

suicide_circus · 31-10-2020 12:35pm

So what is alleged?

JeffKenna · 31-10-2020 12:35pm

Man with broke phone wrote: »

His mate who is so close to Leo he has pints with him, hangs out at gay pride with him and is the only person Matt Barret follows on twitter.

His mate that is so close to Leo he can get confidential financial info couriered to his gaf from Leo.

You know when you price a job while trying to get a state contract and wish you knew how much all the other guys priced it for? This fella can get that info off his mate Leo.

I'm not denying it might be correct but you can't attribute what a mate says about someone as true. Aka if one of your mates said you were a racist I wouldn't take that as fact regardless of how close you are to him.

The real story from the article is the document. Only my opinion of course.

Phoebas · 31-10-2020 12:36pm

Man with broke phone wrote: »

Be flippant all you want but something stinks here. Looks like O Tuathhill is acting as the go between to keep the big man clean.

I thought you were trying to be flippant with the Matt Barrett bit.

You were serious with that?:eek:

LollipopJimmy · 31-10-2020 12:37pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Some mate if he doesn’t know where he lives!

I know where my mates live, in the main I couldn't reel off the address though

JeffKenna · 31-10-2020 12:39pm

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

I know where my mates live, in the main I couldn't reel off the address though

Thinking of my wedding next year for invites I wouldn't know most of my mates address. I've never had to send them a letter before.

Man with broke phone · 31-10-2020 12:39pm

JeffKenna wrote: »

I'm not denying it might be correct but you can't attribute what a mate says about someone as true. Aka if one of your mates said you were a racist I wouldn't take that as fact regardless of how close you are to him.

The real story from the article is the document. Only my opinion of course.

They cant say it outright but at the end it looks like they are saying it looks like O Tuathill can get a direct provision contract for the right price, then it names who would have to be paid. There is a giant money bag picture in there. It also looks like the guy Bowes needed to be told Leo is not the one who needs to be paid this time.

Gruffalux · 31-10-2020 12:40pm

awec wrote: »

I am guessing it's in The Village because none of the big media would run it without more substantial evidence.

Tsk. A Russian Disinformation Campaign then. :mad:

Risteard81 · 31-10-2020 12:41pm

#JailLeotheCrimelord

JeffKenna · 31-10-2020 12:41pm

Man with broke phone wrote: »

They cant say it outright but at the end it looks like they are saying it looks like O Tuathill can get a direct provision contract for the right price, then it names who would have to be paid. There is a giant money bag picture in there. It also looks like the guy Bowes needed to be told Leo is not the one who needs to be paid this time.

Interesting, I took the money bag to mean that he'd be interested as he'd clean up money wise. You could be right though.

jackboy · 31-10-2020 12:41pm

The story is gone all over. If not true I would expect Varadkar to give a strong denial today. If he doesn’t do that he is probably in damage limitation mode and there may be a real story here.

Phoebas · 31-10-2020 12:43pm

Man with broke phone wrote: »

They cant say it outright but at the end it looks like they are saying it looks like O Tuathill can get a direct provision contract for the right price, then it names who would have to be paid. There is a giant money bag picture in there. It also looks like the guy Bowes needed to be told Leo is not the one who needs to be paid this time.

There's a Father Ted meme for this.

smurgen · 31-10-2020 12:47pm

jackboy wrote: »

The story is gone all over. If not true I would expect Varadkar to give a strong denial today. If he doesn’t do that he is probably in damage limitation mode and there may be a real story here.

I'm sure we'll see a defamation case from him against the Village if the allegations are not true.

Coillte_Bhoy · 31-10-2020 12:49pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

So what is alleged?

Why dont you read the article? Are we supposed to spoon feed you

Brussels Sprout · 31-10-2020 12:49pm

awec wrote: »

I am guessing it's in The Village because none of the big media would run it without more substantial evidence.

Certainly can't imagine Philip Ryan being too eager to platform this story anyway :pac:

Jinglejangle69 · 31-10-2020 12:49pm

smurgen wrote: »

I'm sure we'll see a defamation case from him against the Village if the allegations are not true.

Why do you think that?

Many politicians have had numerous allegations flung at them through the years and not taken cases:)

Phoebas · 31-10-2020 12:53pm

How are village magazine saying they got hold of this?
It looks like a screen grab of a text exchange between Leo and o'Tuathaill.

How did Village magazine say they got it?

smurgen · 31-10-2020 12:53pm

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Why do you think that?

Many politicians have had numerous allegations flung at them through the years and not taken cases:)

This specific and damaging? Can't say many spring to mind.

smurgen · 31-10-2020 12:54pm

Phoebas wrote: »

How are village magazine saying they got hold of this?
It looks like a screen grab of a text exchange between Leo and o'Tuathaill.

How did Village magazine say they got it?

The print version has more details. Need to get a copy.

Phoebas · 31-10-2020 12:56pm

smurgen wrote: »

The print version has more details. Need to get a copy.

Is it going to be one of those stories!

Dubh Geannain · 31-10-2020 12:59pm

This is the Village people :pac:

But that said i expect tomorrow's Sindo headline to be "Did Sinn Féin hack Varadkar's WhatsApp messages?"

smurgen · 31-10-2020 1:00pm

Phoebas wrote: »

Is it going to be one of those stories!

Not sure I follow. I suppose I'll pose the question I'm waiting to hear back on from Paddy Losty... If the allegations of leaking of commercially sensitive information by Leo Varadkar are true would it be acceptable to you?

JohnnyFlash · 31-10-2020 1:01pm

Who wrote this?

Phoebas · 31-10-2020 1:05pm

smurgen wrote: »

Not sure I follow. I suppose I'll pose the question I'm waiting to hear back on from Paddy Losty... If the allegations of leaking of commercially sensitive information by Leo Varadkar are true would it be acceptable to you?

Of course it wouldn't be acceptable.
But cart before the horse.

This story so far as we can see it, dies not show that Varadkar leaked the document. It's a join the dots that can be turned into anything.

AlphaDelta1 · 31-10-2020 1:06pm

Have Newstalk blamed SF yet for this?

Jinglejangle69 · 31-10-2020 1:07pm

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

Have Newstalk blamed SF yet for this?

Always the victims.

smurgen · 31-10-2020 1:09pm

Phoebas wrote: »

Of course it wouldn't be acceptable.
But cart before the horse.

This story so far as we can see it, dies not show that Varadkar leaked the document. It's a join the dots that can be turned into anything.

Good to hear so let's see what happens. The allegations have been made and it will have to be cleared up on both sides.

caveat emptor · 31-10-2020 1:10pm

Looks to be some merit. Never liked that zero craic doctor fella. Boasting about influence when he should have been posting about influenza.

Here's the article in full I think for those who haven't read it.

https://villagemagazineireland2020.medium.com/leo-varadkar-lawbreaker-tánaiste-leaked-confidential-document-to-friend-efdd1f14cfcb

s1ippy · 31-10-2020 1:12pm

https://villagemagazineireland2020.medium.com/leo-varadkar-lawbreaker-t%C3%A1naiste-leaked-confidential-document-to-friend-efdd1f14cfcb

He has to go.

"It’s an indiscretion that may contravene the Criminal Justice (Corruption Offences) Act 2018, the Dáil members’ Code of Conduct 2002, and the Official Secrets Act, 1963. The Corruption Act alone carries a penalty of up to 10 years in jail and prohibition from holding public office."

I've always known he was an unscrupulous prick but he's broken laws here. He needs hanging out to dry.

JohnnyFlash · 31-10-2020 1:12pm

KaneToad wrote: »

Ah, Paddy Cosgrave thinks it's an issue. That's enough for me. I'm out.

Wait, Ewen MacKenna, Roman Shortall, and some other Twitter cranks also have opinions on this anonymous article.

We must hear them out.

caveat emptor · 31-10-2020 1:25pm

It all looks fairly damning. Will be interesting to see what happens.

drake70 · 31-10-2020 1:26pm

Not a fan of Leo. or any of them for that matter, but ...

(the slight discolouration under the name is where I removed my work mobile number)

6034073

s1ippy · 31-10-2020 1:27pm

If whoever leaked the story (I suspect Bowes) is willing to corroborate further and provide evidence, then I don't see why he won't face jail time. He should.

No doubt others have stories about leaks of this nature as well. He's likely pissed a load of people off down through the years. I have my fingers crossed that this is the end of him.

Usually I don't give a fiddler's about who is governing so long as they're reasonably competent. Not only is he incompetent, he's arrogant, smug, actively undermines everyone around him. He makes the country look bad. This scandal will be of great benefit to the country as it will see him removed from his position of influence and hopefully imprisoned.

Come on 2020, just do this one thing.

awec · 31-10-2020 1:31pm

I think some are getting ahead of themselves. Even if Varadkar does get brought down over this alleged scandal, it certainly isn't going to happen on the back of The Village article as it is today.

caveat emptor · 31-10-2020 1:31pm

Man with broke phone · 31-10-2020 1:33pm

awec wrote: »

I think some are getting ahead of themselves. Even if Varadkar does get brought down over this alleged scandal, it certainly isn't going to happen on the back of The Village article as it is today.

It is the start id imagine. Ripples

A handwriting expert will be along to tell us whether thats Leos handwriting on the official document.

s1ippy · 31-10-2020 1:33pm

awec wrote: »

I think some are getting ahead of themselves. Even if Varadkar does get brought down over this alleged scandal, it certainly isn't going to happen on the back of The Village article as it is today.

It willl have to be investigated. It will be a criminal investigation. His phone will probably be required. Who knows what thlat will unearth.

smurgen · 31-10-2020 1:34pm

s1ippy wrote: »

If whoever leaked the story (I suspect Bowes) is willing to corroborate further and provide evidence, then I don't see why he won't face jail time. He should.

No doubt others have stories about leaks of this nature as well. He's likely pissed a load of people off down through the years. I have my fingers crossed that this is the end of him.

Usually I don't give a fiddler's about who is governing so long as they're reasonably competent. Not only is he incompetent, he's arrogant, smug, actively undermines everyone around him. He makes the country look bad. This scandal will be of great benefit to the country as it will see him removed from his position of influence and hopefully imprisoned.

Come on 2020, just do this one thing.

Phil Hogan must be delighted at the prospect of all this.

Rodney Bathgate · 31-10-2020 1:35pm

KaneToad wrote: »

Ah, Paddy Cosgrave thinks it's an issue. That's enough for me. I'm out.

What does that cünt have to say on the subject?

awec · 31-10-2020 1:35pm

Man with broke phone wrote: »

It is the start id imagine. Ripples

It may be. I would find it very strange that the whistleblower bring such a high profile story to such a non-entity of a publication that only actually publishes monthly, so I can only assume he also brought it to more substantial media outlets.

They either turned him down, or they're trying to get more solid information before publishing.

Either way, the story as it exists today is a bit wishy washy and lacks any real damning evidence.

McMurphy · 31-10-2020 1:37pm

s1ippy wrote: »

It willl have to be investigated. It will be a criminal investigation. His phone will probably be required. Who knows what thlat will unearth.

Wonder if Leo still has Nóiríns number?

She could give him lots of tips on how to handle that potential scenario.

Man with broke phone · 31-10-2020 1:38pm

awec wrote: »

It may be. I would find it very strange that the whistleblower bring such a high profile story to such a non-entity of a publication that only actually publishes monthly, so I can only assume he also brought it to more substantial media outlets.

They either turned him down, or they're trying to get more solid information before publishing.

Either way, the story as it exists today is a bit wishy washy and lacks any real damning evidence.

Maybe his mate works there. Usually the monthly type publications are interested in journalism and not what Glenda Gilson is doing. Maybe he really likes reading the village and wants to be in it. There is a multitude of reasons for him not going to the independant anyway.

McMurphy · 31-10-2020 1:41pm

smurgen wrote: »

Phil Hogan must be delighted at the prospect of all this.

https://twitter.com/JurassicArse/status/1322507501359845376?s=19

awec · 31-10-2020 1:42pm

Man with broke phone wrote: »

Maybe his mate works there. Usually the monthly type publications are interested in journalism and not what Glenda Gilson is doing. Maybe he really likes reading the village and wants to be in it. There is a multitude of reasons for him not going to the independant anyway.

Maybe you're right.

I guess I'm still a bit skeptical.

Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

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