FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

Bubbaclaus · 16-04-2021 10:57pm

Very misleading for O'Broin to pick the bottom of a depression in house prices as his data point. No different to someone picking the peak of the market in 2007 and saying house prices are now 20% lower than what they were 14 years ago.

Ha Long Bay · 16-04-2021 11:15pm

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Very misleading for O'Broin to pick the bottom of a depression in house prices as his data point. No different to someone picking the peak of the market in 2007 and saying house prices are now 20% lower than what they were 14 years ago.

That's why the CSO have to produce graphics like these to explain without the political spin.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-rppi/residentialpropertypriceindexdecember2019/

TheTruth21 · 17-04-2021 2:03am

Sundays papers will be interesting

TheTruth21 · 17-04-2021 2:24am

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1383193936429203460?s=19

No need for it at all

A return of flights, no international flights in months but that's not told here by the media

TheTruth21 · 17-04-2021 10:11am

https://twitter.com/IrishTimes/status/1383333318138109952?s=19

The madness continues

Floppybits · 17-04-2021 10:46am

TheTruth21 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/IrishTimes/status/1383333318138109952?s=19

The madness continues

If this is true then government have completely lost it. I am sure even the government disciples on here couldn't support that. But then again.

Bubbaclaus · 17-04-2021 10:51am

That has been examined by the Department of Health since last year. It was in the original vaccine rollout plan published on the HSE website in December.

Being examined by the DOH does not mean it has been implemented by Govt, FYI. Although if NIAC recommend it then presumably the Government will follow it.

Cluedo Monopoly · 17-04-2021 11:04am

I was listening to Playback this morning and I came across a story from earlier in the week that I completely missed.

Stephen Donnelly in January asked his department of Health to find out why he was getting less Twitter mentions than Simon Harris.
Very very strange. We were at 4000 cases per day and the minister prioritised his Twitter usage? No wonder they screwed up MHQ so badly.
Playback had clips with both Donnelly and Harris being interviewed about it. Neither could answer the questions with any credibility.

17-04-2021 12:54pm

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

I was listening to Playback this morning and I came across a story from earlier in the week that I completely missed.

Stephen Donnelly in January asked his department of Health to find out why he was getting less Twitter mentions than Simon Harris.
Very very strange. We were at 4000 cases per day and the minister prioritised his Twitter usage? No wonder they screwed up MHQ so badly.
Playback had clips with both Donnelly and Harris being interviewed about it. Neither could answer the questions with any credibility.

To be fair,he clarified on Primetime the other night that the question was not asked by him but by officials who were doing an internal survey on how messaging was carried out by the department
I would presume earlier in the week ,he just didnt know
He does seem to stonewall when he doesn't know whats going on
He would have been better off saying he didnt know because theres obviously a full time business now in journalism raking over FoI material looking for scoops or the next scandal
He should have non storied it earlier

Cluedo Monopoly · 17-04-2021 1:56pm

I enjoyed the radio this morning. Listening to it while doing the garden. They key word yet again is confusion. I'll tell you one thing - Roisin Shortall knows her brief inside out. She has the detail. She made mince of the junior minister on Katie Hannon.

superman121 · 17-04-2021 2:23pm

Hạ Long Bay wrote: »

That's why the CSO have to produce graphics like these to explain without the political spin.

That graphic is misleading tho ... After 2019, for which the graph doesnt have any data, it indirectly shows a 'leveling off' of prices. Its misleading as it makes it seem like house prices are at a natural price (ie. growth becomes leveled off). If the graph ended where it should, at 2019, the trend would ge going higher, suggesting it reaching the the 2007 levels, which in same graph shows what happened (hint,the crash).

Plus, while house prices are currently high, a lot of the tension surronding the housing market is in Rents. In a lot of cases, paying a mortgage is cheaper than renting. The cost renting severly hinders peoples ability to save to buy a house. Thus, get stuck in a cycle.

Fann Linn · 18-04-2021 1:07pm

Bumbling Donnelly recanting and rolling back on his ludicrous idea from yesterday's IT. He must go down as worst health minister ever, and we've had some beauts over the years.

mattser · 18-04-2021 2:02pm

TheTruth21 wrote: »

Sundays papers will be interesting

Nothing much of interest today than any Sunday.
Maybe there's a Sunday evening paper now.

FrancieBrady · 18-04-2021 2:09pm

mattser wrote: »

Nothing much of interest today than any Sunday.
Maybe there's a Sunday evening paper now.

Apart from the articles on the Tanaiste being questioning while having his phone confiscated?

You see those kind of reports 'any' Sunday?

18-04-2021 2:26pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Apart from the articles on the Tanaiste being questioning while having his phone confiscated?

You see those kind of reports 'any' Sunday?

Strange how they weren’t reported on LAST Sunday. You know, two full days after the interview took place?

FrancieBrady · 18-04-2021 2:32pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Strange how they weren’t reported on LAST Sunday. You know, two full days after the interview took place?

Untimely leaking by institutions of the state Maryanne, probably explains it.

You people, so used to leaks, are very impatient.

mattser · 18-04-2021 2:44pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Strange how they weren’t reported on LAST Sunday. You know, two full days after the interview took place?

Lack of sleep together with not getting the ' scoop ' they were expecting, has left the perma whingers extra cross today, Mary. This hissy fit will pass and they'll move on to the next excuse for outrage.

FrancieBrady · 18-04-2021 2:56pm

mattser wrote: »

Lack of sleep together with not getting the ' scoop ' they were expecting, has left the perma whingers extra cross today, Mary. This hissy fit will pass and they'll move on to the next excuse for outrage.

Heading for 6 month's of this story now. A confession to wrongdoing and a criminal investigation for the most senior FG politician in the country, what is there to be angry about?

I just love the call to arms among the faithful to try and dilute the impact of the above, as this story develops.

Cluedo Monopoly · 18-04-2021 3:08pm

I don't think the opposition really want Leo to get into any serious bother.
Much better for him to answering questions on this in the next general election debates (if he is still leader).

18-04-2021 3:26pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I just love the call to arms among the faithful to try and dilute the impact of the above, as this story develops.

You've plenty reading this mornings papers saying in the relevant thread that its actually nearing a dead stop
I actually don't know why you'd be wanting to bring it up in an election campaign because frankly that would expose the origins of it a bit more into the light whilst giving the then Taoiseach Vradakar the opportunity to repeat over and over the benefits that flowed from having every gp possible sign up to the contract
It strikes me as the last thing,I'd advise

FrancieBrady · 18-04-2021 5:21pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

You've plenty reading this mornings papers saying in the relevant thread that its actually nearing a dead stop
I actually don't know why you'd be wanting to bring it up in an election campaign because frankly that would expose the origins of it a bit more into the light whilst giving the then Taoiseach Vradakar the opportunity to repeat over and over the benefits that flowed from having every gp possible sign up to the contract
It strikes me as the last thing,I'd advise

Well FG did only manage to finish as the third party in the last elections. I hope their 'advisors' stay on too.

18-04-2021 6:46pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Well FG did only manage to finish as the third party in the last elections. I hope their 'advisors' stay on too.

I suppose you have that hope,that they dont analyise defeat's
I'd never advocate taking away hope

FrancieBrady · 18-04-2021 7:22pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

I suppose you have that hope,that they dont analyise defeat's
I'd never advocate taking away hope

When you forced into a merger with bitter rivals all hope is rapidly diminishing alright.

Cluedo Monopoly · 18-04-2021 10:39pm

Regina Doherty was quite critical of the MHQ on the Week in Politics today. She said it had not been thought through.
Surprising she was so honest but she has a habit of saying what FG are really thinking.

FrancieBrady · 21-04-2021 8:14pm

Some victims are more important than others?

https://twitter.com/Toibin1/status/1384931873055465479

blanch152 · 21-04-2021 10:20pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Some victims are more important than others?

https://twitter.com/Toibin1/status/1384931873055465479

Former SF TD in ignorance of Covid crisis shocker.

Jinglejangle69 · 21-04-2021 10:24pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Some victims are more important than others?

https://twitter.com/Toibin1/status/1384931873055465479

Not 1 reply to Peadars tweet.

I begrudgingly clicked on his tweet to see if there was anything interesting in it.

Reminds me why I'm not on twitter.

It's like 6 year olds in a playground playing with crayons.

FrancieBrady · 21-04-2021 10:28pm

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Not 1 reply to Peadars tweet.

I begrudgingly clicked on his tweet to see if there was anything interesting in it.

Reminds me why I'm not on twitter.

It's like 6 year olds in a playground playing with crayons.

He was in the Dáil speaking JJ.

Any reason you can think of why the Glennane victims have been ignored and other selective victims get photo shoots?

FrancieBrady · 21-04-2021 10:29pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Former SF TD in ignorance of Covid crisis shocker.

Shocking excuse really.

blanch152 · 21-04-2021 10:36pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

He was in the Dáil speaking JJ.

Any reason you can think of why the Glennane victims have been ignored and other selective victims get photo shoots?

So because he was speaking in the Dail, there were no replies to his tweet? Are you seriously suggesting that he would be replying to his own tweet if he wasn't speaking?

As for the Glennane victims, what exactly is he looking for? Lots of victims don't get to meet the Taoiseach, especially during a coronavirus crisis.

FrancieBrady · 21-04-2021 10:44pm

blanch152 wrote: »

So because he was speaking in the Dail, there were no replies to his tweet? Are you seriously suggesting that he would be replying to his own tweet if he wasn't speaking?

As for the Glennane victims, what exactly is he looking for? Lots of victims don't get to meet the Taoiseach, especially during a coronavirus crisis.

Enda was Taoiseach during a Covid Crisis? Who knew, I thought he was chasing after trains.

He wants the Taoiseach of the country, any Taoiseach to recognise the victims and listen to their attempts to get justice for one of the most heinous crime sprees this country has seen.

blanch152 · 21-04-2021 10:54pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Enda was Taoiseach during a Covid Crisis? Who knew, I thought he was chasing after trains.

He wants the Taoiseach of the country, any Taoiseach to recognise the victims and listen to their attempts to get justice for one of the most heinous crime sprees this country has seen.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Some victims are more important than others?

https://twitter.com/Toibin1/status/1384931873055465479

Francie in propaganda shocker.

https://armaghi.com/news/armagh-news/taoiseach-to-meet-glenanne-gang-victims-and-survivors-after-armagh-lost-gun-raised-in-dail/132902

"Taoiseach Mícheál Martin has agreed to meet the victims and survivors of the so-called Glenanne Gang"

https://ulsterherald.com/2021/04/21/taoiseach-agrees-meeting-with-glenanne-gang-survivors/

"TAOISEACH Michael Martin has agreed to meet with victims and survivors of the Glenanne Gang."

You wouldn't have known it from the post.

FrancieBrady · 21-04-2021 11:30pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Francie in propaganda shocker.

https://armaghi.com/news/armagh-news/taoiseach-to-meet-glenanne-gang-victims-and-survivors-after-armagh-lost-gun-raised-in-dail/132902

"Taoiseach Mícheál Martin has agreed to meet the victims and survivors of the so-called Glenanne Gang"

https://ulsterherald.com/2021/04/21/taoiseach-agrees-meeting-with-glenanne-gang-survivors/

"TAOISEACH Michael Martin has agreed to meet with victims and survivors of the Glenanne Gang."

You wouldn't have known it from the post.

Had you listened to the tweet (now evident yu didn't) you'd have known that.

We'll see if Michael follows through, it's a disgrace these three haven't at this stage. How long was it before he met Louise O'Keefe or he acknowledged the family who had an issue with Ceann Comhairle writing a support letter for an abuser?

Not much political gain in a photo on the Dáil steps in doing that I suppose.

Bubbaclaus · 25-04-2021 9:55am

Latest polling up to 46 months out from election.

https://twitter.com/NextIrishGE/status/1386057887370420224?s=19

mattser · 25-04-2021 10:42am

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Latest polling up to 46 months out from election.

https://twitter.com/NextIrishGE/status/1386057887370420224?s=19

Perma whinge agents having another bad weekend. Scouring the Sunday's for crumbs. Sheahan gave them what for yesterday. Brilliant article.

FrancieBrady · 25-04-2021 10:48am

FG will pull the plug on government this week when RTE expose how FF tried to arm the 'RA in the 70's on Wednesday night.

Wait'll you see!

25-04-2021 10:59am

https://www.redcresearch.com/red-c-accuracy-and-interpretation-shines-at-ge20/

FrancieBrady · 25-04-2021 11:05am

Marine Layer wrote: »

https://www.redcresearch.com/red-c-accuracy-and-interpretation-shines-at-ge20/

Do you think the power swap two will try to cod the electorate next time? Will they canvas as a coalition or as separate parties? Tough one to navigate. Vote for one, get the other as a brucie bonus.

Long way to go.

25-04-2021 11:24am

I believe any voter not voting for parties that might cosy up to SF absilutely have the right to have their voice heard
I also believe that theres now absolutely no doubt who those parties are,so there is no question what the polling is saying

FrancieBrady · 25-04-2021 11:28am

Marine Layer wrote: »

I believe any voter not voting for parties that might cosy up to SF absilutely have the right to have their voice heard
I also believe that theres now absolutely no doubt who those parties are,so there is no question what the polling is saying

Have a go at the actual question asked. Which has nothing to do with the nefarious shinners on a FF FG Greens thread.

Do you think the power swap two will try to cod the electorate next time? Will they canvas as a coalition or as separate parties? Tough one to navigate. Vote for one, get the other as a brucie bonus.

25-04-2021 11:34am

I did answer the questiion
Democracy is king and there can be no question among voters polled what FF or FG are currently doing or may do again
The epic fail in going on about a power swap now is a majority of voters polled regard that view irrelevant

FrancieBrady · 25-04-2021 11:51am

Marine Layer wrote: »

I did answer the questiion
Democracy is king and there can be no question among voters polled what FF or FG are currently doing or may do again
The epic fail in going on about a power swap now is a majority of voters polled regard that view irrelevant

Not sure what you are saying tbh.

25-04-2021 12:11pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Not sure what you are saying tbh.

Oh I doubt that

FrancieBrady · 25-04-2021 12:17pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

Oh I doubt that

Answer this simpler version.

Do you think FF and FG will canvass on the basis that they will once again merge or will they campaign with the same stances they had last time out? I.E. will they be honest with the public this time.

25-04-2021 12:43pm

I think you don't have to be sherlock Holmes to not expect them to canvass against each other anyway
The polling suggests tacit acceptance that they are now dancing partners,indeed with a bigger number of others who continue to prefer to be on their dance card
Ergo the swap analogy is obsolete
The majority of the public have moved on

FrancieBrady · 25-04-2021 1:22pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

I think you don't have to be sherlock Holmes to not expect them to canvass against each other anyway
The polling suggests tacit acceptance that they are now dancing partners,indeed with a bigger number of others who continue to prefer to be on their dance card
Ergo the swap analogy is obsolete
The majority of the public have moved on

How are you seeing 'tacit acceptance'? Very little difference in polling previously, small swings to different parties.

25-04-2021 1:51pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

How are you seeing 'tacit acceptance'? Very little difference in polling previously, small swings to different parties.

Quite simple Really,that Red C would return the current covernment or something similar if thats what the current governmentn parties want
Impossible to argue voters don't know who will dance with who now
But of course you already know that,uncofortable truth for you though it may be

25-04-2021 2:19pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

FG will pull the plug on government this week when RTE expose how FF tried to arm the 'RA in the 70's on Wednesday night.

Wait'll you see!

Brilliant sense of humour.

Or is it a sense of desperation?

25-04-2021 2:21pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Answer this simpler version.

Do you think FF and FG will canvass on the basis that they will once again merge or will they campaign with the same stances they had last time out? I.E. will they be honest with the public this time.

I think that ALL candidates should be canvassing on the basis that they will do their utmost to form a government and act as spokesperson for the electorate.

Now, my sunlounger and Kindle are calling me.

25-04-2021 2:25pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think that ALL candidates should be canvassing on the basis that they will do their utmost to form a government and act as spokesperson for the electorate.

Now, my sunlounger and Kindle are calling me.

Will they be telling the truth to the electorate when they canvas, that they are a single party!

FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

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