St Brigid's Shrine Arrests

A Knight of Ireland · 01-02-2021 2:41pm #1

I see the Gardai arrested people at the shrine to St Brigid in Faughart yesterday. They were saying the rosary, minding their own business and not harming anyone. Is that really a crime?

01-02-2021 3:31pm

A Knight of Ireland wrote: »

I see the Gardai arrested people at the shrine to St Brigid in Faughart yesterday. They were saying the rosary, minding their own business and not harming anyone. Is that really a crime?

Yeah not what happened. But not surprised

https://www.lmfm.ie/news/lmfm-news/three-arrests-made-and-fines-issued-after-anti-mask-protest-at-st-brigids-shrine/

Thinkingaboutit · 01-02-2021 3:43pm

It is not clear it was an anti-mask protest. Misrepresentation is part a journalist's job description these days. People go there on that day to pray in honour of this national saint, and if it was used in part for protest (lockdown measures used to suppress public religious observance and so many basic social activities is worth protesting), it has to be noted that protesters this government agrees with (like official marches against 'hate speech' etc.) do not get treated like criminals. Religion is now practiced in secret like in Penal Days.

smacl · 01-02-2021 4:07pm

Thinkingaboutit wrote: »

It is not clear it was an anti-mask protest. Misrepresentation is part a journalist's job description these days. People go there on that day to pray in honour of this national saint, and if it was used in part for protest (lockdown measures used to suppress public religious observance and so many basic social activities is worth protesting), it has to be noted that protesters this government agrees with (like official marches against 'hate speech' etc.) do not get treated like criminals. Religion is now practiced in secret like in Penal Days.

They were arrested for being in breach of public health orders and refusing to provide the Gardaí with their names and addresses when asked to do so. Regardless of whether or not they were anti-maskers, they were acting in a way that was needlessly putting themselves and others at risk at a time when are health services are already close to breaking point. This is both irresponsible and anti-social. It also has very little to do with organised religion at a time when churches are advocating limiting physical congregation as per the guidelines in order to protect their parishioners and the broader community.

Suggesting this is a covert attack on religion is probably and argument better made in the conspiracy theories forum.

Thinkingaboutit · 03-02-2021 10:09am

I suppose they did a TikTok victory dance after (that irritating Swiss challenge).

The lockdown measures which constrain the exercise of religion in this country are largely unique to it, and not unique as a selling point. A church or chapel, perhaps with limited or no Communion (the rebels who rose against Edward VI in 1549 issued a 15 point manifesto of which point 3 called for Mass without any man or woman Communicating except at Easter) was the rule for a short time. The risk from a church is so vanishingly slight, that other countries which manage to do things properly, unlike this joke meme country, even a place like Belgium which maybe 4% practicing allows Mass with limitations on numbers. It is an odd thing that a pokey off licence can be open, but a church or chapel is utterly verboten. The risk in a graveyard with practically unlimited space is even more slight. If Gardaí had come and given advice on safe behaviour, it would have been far more reasonably.

Ash.J.Williams · 03-02-2021 10:12am

A Knight of Ireland wrote: »

I see the Gardai arrested people at the shrine to St Brigid in Faughart yesterday. They were saying the rosary, minding their own business and not harming anyone. Is that really a crime?

it is under level 5 yes

stoneill · 03-02-2021 10:17am

Thinkingaboutit wrote: »

It is not clear it was an anti-mask protest. Misrepresentation is part a journalist's job description these days. People go there on that day to pray in honour of this national saint, and if it was used in part for protest (lockdown measures used to suppress public religious observance and so many basic social activities is worth protesting), it has to be noted that protesters this government agrees with (like official marches against 'hate speech' etc.) do not get treated like criminals. Religion is now practiced in secret like in Penal Days.

Exaggerate much? Hardly like Penal days.
Anyway, the Pope says stop moaning.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-01/pope-criticizes-people-who-complain-about-pandemic-restrictions

Peregrinus · 03-02-2021 10:36am

stoneill wrote: »

Exaggerate much?

Not so much exaggerating as telling fibs, I fear, in contravention of the ninth commandment (or eighth, depending on your taste). We are, after all, discussing reports of something that happened at a public meeting conducted in the open air at a public place in broad daylight. That's pretty much the exact opposite of anything done "in secret".

Thinkingaboutit · 03-02-2021 2:13pm

stoneill wrote: »

Exaggerate much? Hardly like Penal days.
Anyway, the Pope says stop moaning.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-01/pope-criticizes-people-who-complain-about-pandemic-restrictions

I would accord what Francis says little credibility, the still secret McCarrick deal with China which sold its Catholics for a stipend from Beijing, according to leaks, is just one instance of why. His ceaseless Masonic and socialist blather with much on solidarity and little on Christ, should clarify that.

The Penal Days oft times involved magistrates or police breaking up religious gatherings. Executions of priests were rare. Breaking up gatherings, harassing priests who might be offering Mass is comparable. The Gardaí are aided by informers, which is another similarity. Informers have ever been a curse to Ireland. The cringe TikTok Garda victory dances are a difference, but making awkward public religious observance is the same.

Cabaal · 05-02-2021 3:52pm

Thinkingaboutit wrote: »

Breaking up gatherings, harassing priests who might be offering Mass is comparable. The Gardaí are aided by informers, which is another similarity.

If people are too selfish, thick or stupid to understand the implications of them ignoring laws in relation to covid and groups then they deserve all they get.

If you want to pray then do it from home or go to a church or shrine within 5km, god is all around and god will most certainly not like anyone who spreads covid and causes another person to die or get sick.

Informers have ever been a curse to Ireland. The cringe TikTok Garda victory dances are a difference, but making awkward public religious observance is the same.

Funny how the religious orders loved informers when they told them where the women who broke out of the local mother and baby home was hiding.

The religious orders were also delighted to use the Gardai to bring them back to the homes.

But when religious people feel they can ignore laws that are in place for the health of everyone in this country they think its persecution based on their faith.. Ridiculous.
:rolleyes:

Whats next, will you also think its ok for a person to speed if they are late to mass and if the gardai fine them they are being persecuted?

Hotblack Desiato · 05-02-2021 8:52pm

DubInMeath wrote: »

Yeah not what happened. But not surprised

Not surprised either, that sort of disingenuous nonsense does religion no credit tbh, do they think we are all so easily fooled that they just have to wail "persecution" and they will be believed in spite of the facts?

06-02-2021 12:46am

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Not surprised either, that sort of disingenuous nonsense does religion no credit tbh, do they think we are all so easily fooled that they just have to wail "persecution" and they will be believed in spite of the facts?

Breaking the 8th commandment doesn't do much for the argument either. Must have been a mental reservation moment.

Markcheese · 06-02-2021 12:55am

Thinkingaboutit wrote: »

I would accord what Francis says little credibility, the still secret McCarrick deal with China which sold its Catholics for a stipend from Beijing, according to leaks, is just one instance of why. His ceaseless Masonic and socialist blather with much on solidarity and little on Christ, should clarify that.

The Penal Days oft times involved magistrates or police breaking up religious gatherings. Executions of priests were rare. Breaking up gatherings, harassing priests who might be offering Mass is comparable. The Gardaí are aided by informers, which is another similarity. Informers have ever been a curse to Ireland. The cringe TikTok Garda victory dances are a difference, but making awkward public religious observance is the same.

Is there a god on the planet that you inhabit ? Or is that planet in your head ...

smacl · 06-02-2021 12:37pm

Markcheese wrote: »

Is there a god on the planet that you inhabit ? Or is that planet in your head ...

Mod: Carded for being uncivil and breach of points 1 and 3 of the charter. Please play the ball and not the man. Any responses via the feedback forum or PM only.

Yellow_Fern · 15-02-2021 10:51am

Cabaal wrote: »

Funny how the religious orders loved informers when they told them where the women who broke out of the local mother and baby home was hiding.

The religious orders were also delighted to use the Gardai to bring them back to the homes.

But when religious people feel they can ignore laws that are in place for the health of everyone in this country they think its persecution based on their faith.. Ridiculous.
:rolleyes:

Women were never forcibly held in Mother and Baby homes. There was a 2800 page report just published on this. You should have a look at it

Cabaal wrote: »

The religious orders were also delighted to use the Gardai to bring them back to the homes.

Also not true. However ft it was true, it would be a shockingly weak argument. Private christians living in 2021 are not morally responsible or morally implicated in the what organizations they had no control of did 70 years ago. Your argument is like claiming Germans in 2021 are hypocrites for trying to stop wars due to the Nanzis. How the the hell is that argument?

Cabaal · 15-02-2021 4:55pm

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

Women were never forcibly held in Mother and Baby homes.

good one.
try harder next time

It would be funny only for the lives ruined by the church and its teachings on unmarried women.

Also not true.

It is true, numerous women have told how this occurred to them.

Next you'll try to claim that priests didn't knock on the houses and tell parents to send their pregnant unmarried daughter to a home. I know from a first hand account that they most certainly did.

However ft it was true, it would be a shockingly weak argument. Private christians living in 2021 are not morally responsible or morally implicated in the what organizations they had no control of did 70 years ago.

Really?
Ok, lets imagine imagine we live in a crazy alternative reality where the GAA spent 70 plus years covering up the rape, abuse of women and children. Selling of babies without permissions and the dumping of bodies into a septic tank.

Now remember the GAA knew about all of these horrific actions but they continued to say they didn't happen, the victims were making things up etc but eventually, the evidence came to light and they were proven to have mislead the public when they claimed the victims were wrong and only making up stories for the money.

Now imagine the GAA refused to this very day to compensate victims to the tune of 200 million still owed. But the GAA was more than happy to still hold matches and make money off the general public, own land etc.

If you knew the GAA did all that would you have your kids playing GAA?
Would you support the GAA including giving them money?

I'd wager no sane person would support the GAA in that situation.

You can be a Christian without supporting a corrupt, evil organization.

Your argument is like claiming Germans in 2021 are hypocrites for trying to stop wars due to the Nanzis. How the the hell is that argument?

Congrats you've just godwined yourself, good job
You win a prize.

looksee · 15-02-2021 6:38pm

Mod: Can we get back on topic please, there is a thread about Clerical Child Abuse for Mother and Baby Homes discussions.

spaceHopper · 15-02-2021 6:47pm

This is anti-mask protestors latching on the a cause to make their own point, it was probably the only time they had ever visited the shrine.

branie2 · 15-02-2021 11:57pm

They could have prayed at home

Yellow_Fern · 17-02-2021 12:48am

branie2 wrote: »

They could have prayed at home

Not all rule breaking is alike. Some is highly risky and dangerous, gathering in small outdoor groups is not. Pretty every other country has allowed churches to remain open so considering so perceiving unacceptable risk in this behaviour is a minority view.

Peregrinus · 17-02-2021 3:02am

But they are described in the new report as "anti-mask protestors". Were they, in fact, not wearing masks?

'Cause, obviously, you can say the rosary perfectly well while wearing a mask. So, if they weren't wearing a mask, there would be no religious motivation for that. Which would strongly suggest that their purpose in not wearing masks was to conduct a secular political protest under the colour of a communal religious devotion. Which is sacrilege, obviously.

Graces7 · 19-02-2021 12:42pm

Peregrinus wrote: »

But they are described in the new report as "anti-mask protestors". Were they, in fact, not wearing masks?

'Cause, obviously, you can say the rosary perfectly well while wearing a mask. So, if they weren't wearing a mask, there would be no religious motivation for that. Which would strongly suggest that their purpose in not wearing masks was to conduct a secular political protest under the colour of a communal religious devotion. Which is sacrilege, obviously.

Absolutely it is ; something that they have no concept or understanding of which odes not alter the nature of it. Simply a convenient peg to hang their protest on.

vicwatson · 19-02-2021 12:48pm

The original post is fake news, that’s all I take out of this thread

19-02-2021 12:53pm

vicwatson wrote: »

The original post is fake news, that’s all I take out of this thread

That and some people try to make political gains out of it

Thinkingaboutit · 20-02-2021 1:19pm

If they came to pray, which they did, for prayers were said, or they came to protest, or both, which seems to have happened, it was wretched and unjust.

Moslems can worship without let in Blackpitts and other mosques. Gardaí ignore any reports about it. Now Moslems every right to worship in this country, but it is interesting that the law is only enforced on Christians. Perhaps the Gardaí know they won't get grovelling compliance. Bullies tend to look for other targets if they receive or know they will receive push back. Some of our oligarch journalists were fussing about a funeral in an SSPX chapel in Dun Laoghaire. Supposedly it had one over the number, so was responsible for the infection numbers, not our incompetent political class, who couldn't organise a pee up in a brewery.

The Martyrs of Abitinae won their heavenly crowns by stating 'sine Dominico non possemus.' that is, 'without Sunday we cannot (be).'

There are priests offering Mass discreetly, but what has to happen is a critical mass of defiance. Tyranny relies on mental chains, chains that Irish people wear so easily, sadly.

breezy1985 · 20-02-2021 3:57pm

A Knight of Ireland wrote: »

I see the Gardai arrested people at the shrine to St Brigid in Faughart yesterday. They were saying the rosary, minding their own business and not harming anyone. Is that really a crime?

They broke restrictions so yes it is a crime and if they spread covid then yes they are harming people.

Religion is not special or different. It is a thing some people like same as going to a match or concert so you just need to wait like everyone else and stop thinking because it is your thing that it is special. So what if you believe in God he is unproven but what is 100% proven is covid infection rates

breezy1985 · 20-02-2021 4:00pm

Thinkingaboutit wrote: »

If they came to pray, which they did, for prayers were said, or they came to protest, or both, which seems to have happened, it was wretched and unjust.

Moslems can worship without let in Blackpitts and other mosques. Gardaí ignore any reports about it. Now Moslems every right to worship in this country, but it is interesting that the law is only enforced on Christians. Perhaps the Gardaí know they won't get grovelling compliance. Bullies tend to look for other targets if they receive or know they will receive push back. Some of our oligarch journalists were fussing about a funeral in an SSPX chapel in Dun Laoghaire. Supposedly it had one over the number, so was responsible for the infection numbers, not our incompetent political class, who couldn't organise a pee up in a brewery.

The Martyrs of Abitinae won their heavenly crowns by stating 'sine Dominico non possemus.' that is, 'without Sunday we cannot (be).'

There are priests offering Mass discreetly, but what has to happen is a critical mass of defiance. Tyranny relies on mental chains, chains that Irish people wear so easily, sadly.

The only chains the Irish had over the last 100 years were the mental ones the church put on us with fear and intimidation and the physical ones put on by rapists and torturers wearing holy frocks

growleaves · 20-02-2021 4:07pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

The only chains the Irish had over the last 100 years were the mental ones the church put on us with fear and intimidation and the physical ones put on by rapists and torturers wearing holy frocks

False.

No one is/was forced to follow a corrupt church, especially not now, and no one is forced to lease their brain to 'public health experts' - whose recommendations of dangerous isolation amount to mental torture.

smacl · 20-02-2021 4:15pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

The only chains the Irish had over the last 100 years were the mental ones the church put on us with fear and intimidation and the physical ones put on by rapists and torturers wearing holy frocks

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breezy1985 · 20-02-2021 4:19pm

growleaves wrote: »

False.

No one is/was forced to follow a corrupt church, especially not now, and no one is forced to lease their brain to 'public health experts' - whose recommendations of dangerous isolation amount to mental torture.

Actually you will find many people were forced to follow the rules of the church. I can PM you a long list of times the church used force, blackmail or intimidation if you would like.

20-02-2021 4:29pm

Thinkingaboutit wrote: »

If they came to pray, which they did, for prayers were said, or they came to protest, or both, which seems to have happened, it was wretched and unjust.

Moslems can worship without let in Blackpitts and other mosques. Gardaí ignore any reports about it. Now Moslems every right to worship in this country, but it is interesting that the law is only enforced on Christians. Perhaps the Gardaí know they won't get grovelling compliance. Bullies tend to look for other targets if they receive or know they will receive push back. Some of our oligarch journalists were fussing about a funeral in an SSPX chapel in Dun Laoghaire. Supposedly it had one over the number, so was responsible for the infection numbers, not our incompetent political class, who couldn't organise a pee up in a brewery.

The Martyrs of Abitinae won their heavenly crowns by stating 'sine Dominico non possemus.' that is, 'without Sunday we cannot (be).'

There are priests offering Mass discreetly, but what has to happen is a critical mass of defiance. Tyranny relies on mental chains, chains that Irish people wear so easily, sadly.

You mean the mosque that's under Garda investigation for potentially holding prayers?

As for the idiots in louth, they were arrested for acting like the idiots that they are.

growleaves · 20-02-2021 4:41pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

Actually you will find many people were forced to follow the rules of the church. I can PM you a long list of times the church used force, blackmail or intimidation if you would like.

My father was forced to attend Mass against his will.

Right now you're technically forced to stay indoors most of the time and isolate yourself even if it causes your mind to deteriorate.

My point was about mental slavery. No one is forced to follow a corrupt church or obviously dangerously unwise 'public health expertise'. 'Follow' as in mentally accede to.

You have 100% mental freedom, and you have the freedom to speak the truth.

smacl · 20-02-2021 6:09pm

growleaves wrote: »

My father was forced to attend Mass against his will.

Likewise, also battered by the Christian brothers for being left handed. No doubt a contributing factor to why the family ditched religion.

Yellow_Fern · 20-02-2021 6:18pm

growleaves wrote: »

My father was forced to attend Mass against his will.

Right now you're technically forced to stay indoors most of the time and isolate yourself even if it causes your mind to deteriorate.

My point was about mental slavery. No one is forced to follow a corrupt church or obviously dangerously unwise 'public health expertise'. 'Follow' as in mentally accede to.

You have 100% mental freedom, and you have the freedom to speak the truth.

I was forced to keep my room tidy. Didnt do me much harm

Smee_Again · 20-02-2021 6:26pm

The man arrested at Faughart is no christian and the only god he worships is Gemma O’Doherty. He’s an anti-masker with links to the national party and a history of violence who was jailed for assault in 2018.

Yellow_Fern · 20-02-2021 6:26pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

They broke restrictions so yes it is a crime and if they spread covid then yes they are harming people.

Religion is not special or different. It is a thing some people like same as going to a match or concert so you just need to wait like everyone else and stop thinking because it is your thing that it is special. So what if you believe in God he is unproven but what is 100% proven is covid infection rates

Actually they aren't. There is a lot about infection that is far from 100% proven. However what is the case is that infection indoors is far more likely indoors than outdoors. One study found maybe 2000% more risk than outdoors. Banning small gathering outside isn't justified by science. Keeping indoor supermarkets open isn't justified by the science. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.28.20029272v2

breezy1985 · 20-02-2021 6:38pm

smacl wrote: »

Likewise, also battered by the Christian brothers for being left handed. No doubt a contributing factor to why the family ditched religion.

Ya but as long as he had the mental freedom to believe he was still left handed

20-02-2021 7:05pm

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

Actually they aren't. There is a lot about infection that is far from 100% proven. However what is the case is that infection indoors is far more likely indoors than outdoors. One study found maybe 2000% more risk than outdoors. Banning small gathering outside isn't justified by science. Keeping indoor supermarkets open isn't justified by the science. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.28.20029272v2

Try a site that provides peer reviewed information perhaps

growleaves · 20-02-2021 8:18pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

Ya but as long as he had the mental freedom to believe he was still left handed

"The real war is inside us"

Yellow_Fern · 20-02-2021 11:40pm

DubInMeath wrote: »

Try a site that provides peer reviewed information perhaps

Well that is what Medrxiv provides

20-02-2021 11:45pm

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

Well that is what Medrxiv provides

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Ray Donovan · 20-02-2021 11:49pm

DubInMeath wrote: »

You mean the mosque that's under Garda investigation for potentially holding prayers?

As for the idiots in louth, they were arrested for acting like the idiots that they are.

Can you provide evidence that that mosque is under investigation?

20-02-2021 11:57pm

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Can you provide evidence that that mosque is under investigation?

Type blackpits Dublin into your search engine, it'll be the first three or four results returned.

smacl · 21-02-2021 7:34pm

Thinkingaboutit wrote: »

Moslems can worship without let in Blackpitts and other mosques. Gardaí ignore any reports about it. Now Moslems every right to worship in this country, but it is interesting that the law is only enforced on Christians.

Mod note: When referring to Muslims could you please use the word 'Muslim' rather than 'Moslem' as the latter is considered derogatory in some quarters. See below (source)

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While this is a Christian forum, the charter is very clear on intolerance to other beliefs

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Your point is also facturally incorrect, the ban on meetings for the purpose of worship applies equally to all groups. Any responses to the feedback thread only please.

Hotblack Desiato · 22-02-2021 6:09am

growleaves wrote: »

False.

No one is/was forced to follow a corrupt church

Wrong. And to this day 96% of primary schools expect pupils to follow a specific religion and instruct them to worship in that religion with no opt-out option.

Yellow_Fern · 22-02-2021 3:47pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Wrong. And to this day 96% of primary schools expect pupils to follow a specific religion and instruct them to worship in that religion with no opt-out option.

The actual enrollments in Catholic primary schools is only 90%. In secondary only 52% go to Catholic School. Catholic schools don't expect any religious direction. In fact unlike every other religion in Ireland they are forbidden to use it in school admissions. They have always had an opt out policy and these days they are fairly sophisticated at assisting non Catholics exercising their choice.

Sources
https://www.education.ie/en/Press-Events/Press-Releases/2018-press-releases/PR18-12-27.html

Hotblack Desiato · 22-02-2021 8:20pm

Yes about 90% of primary schools are Catholic, most of the rest are Church of Ireland.

Schools say they accommodate other beliefs but they don't really. Ask any non-Catholic parent with a child enrolled in such a school. At best their child will be allowed to read a book while the religious instruction proceeds around them, at worst they will be forced to sit in silence and do nothing, or even sent to the principal's office which is normally regarded as a punishment.

Then there's the integrated curriculum - Art can be drawing a religious picture. English can be reading a religious story, etc. Not to mention getting dragged off to class masses etc. unless the parent is available to take the child home during the day instead. Then there's the many hours of sacramental preparation during class time.

At secondary level many ETB (VEC) schools, community colleges etc. are nominally secular but in reality either Catholic ethos or "inter-denominational" so aligned with both the RCC and CoI. The number of actual non-religious-ethos secondary schools is tiny.

Church and State still undermine the right to not attend religious instruction in schools

looksee · 22-02-2021 10:19pm

Mod: I'm not sure what the education system - an argument that has been well covered previously - has to do with the arrests of people at a shrine but the thread seems to be wandering off topic. Possibly because there is not much more to be said about the subject of the original post. I'll leave it for a while to see if anyone has any more opinions about the original argument, otherwise it seems like a possibility for closure.

Thinkingaboutit · 27-02-2021 3:13pm

The St Brigid Shrine arrests seem mostly about harassment of political dissent (anyone who thinks it for public health reasons is smoking something as overall deaths year to year show no notable rise, not even the trace of a trend), and it sad that so cannot see what is wrong with that.

I notice that Gardaí have been again harassing churches and other centres where there an arbitrary number was exceeded. No Exposition now in the church I usually attend as it drew too many. People see how Gardaí seem harsher with Irish Christians than the Muslims. The Blackpits Mosque isn't too much of a landmark, but can be seen on Google or other map services. Even if a rule might be unfair, it can be accepted if all are equally subject to it.

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Thank you to the moderators for allowing debate on this. Another Irish forum has a shoot on site policy if some espouses any dissent from lockdown rules. God bless you all.

smacl · 27-02-2021 3:57pm

Thinkingaboutit wrote: »

The St Brigid Shrine arrests seem mostly about harassment of political dissent (anyone who thinks it for public health reasons is smoking something as overall deaths year to year show no notable rise, not even the trace of a trend), and it sad that so cannot see what is wrong with that.

Mod warning: Suggesting someone who does not agree with your point of view 'must be smoking something' is an unacceptable ad hominem attack on anyone who has opposing views. Your argument above is also not just factually inaccurate, its is both insensitive and deeply offensive to anyone who has lost family or friends to family to this disease.

Thank you to the moderators for allowing debate on this. Another Irish forum has a shoot on site policy if some espouses any dissent from lockdown rules. God bless you all.

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Smee_Again · 27-02-2021 3:57pm

Thinkingaboutit wrote: »

The St Brigid Shrine arrests seem mostly about harassment of political dissent (anyone who thinks it for public health reasons is smoking something as overall deaths year to year show no notable rise, not even the trace of a trend), and it sad that so cannot see what is wrong with that.

I notice that Gardaí have been again harassing churches and other centres where there an arbitrary number was exceeded. No Exposition now in the church I usually attend as it drew too many. People see how Gardaí seem harsher with Irish Christians than the Muslims. The Blackpits Mosque isn't too much of a landmark, but can be seen on Google or other map services. Even if a rule might be unfair, it can be accepted if all are equally subject to it.

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Thank you to the moderators for allowing debate on this. Another Irish forum has a shoot on site policy if some espouses any dissent from lockdown rules. God bless you all.

Load of nonsense. AGS were out today checking on people heading to Blackrock, an awful lot of tourists in the village today.

Yer man who was arrested at St. Brigids had a history of violence and was physically pulling masks off worshipers faces at the shrine.

St Brigid's Shrine Arrests

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