Election 2020 - Carlow/Kilkenny. See Mod Note in post 1

BarryD2 · 20-01-2020 12:54pm

ScallionAyter wrote: »

I remember how thoughtful and virtuous they thought they were, when they banned those horrid bedsits. Typical arrogant and patronizing Greens, thinking they could just ban something they looked down on and wanted wiped off the face of the earth. It was a disastrous policy for single people on low incomes. it was a disaster for the landlords who had to evict their tenants and sell up, or retrofit each flat with a separate bathroom and heating system. It also meant those people had to move out to the suburbs and get dirty diesel buses back into the city.

Minimum size apartments. A-rated homes. Carbon taxes. Height restrictions on apartment blocks. All of this sh*te adds tens of thousands to the price of a starter home for a working person. Many low income workers are now priced out of cities, pushed out to commuter counties, or stuck renting into their thirties, and the councils can't afford to build these A-rated houses in bulk either. So now we have a lucky few in A rated homes, and many other poor people stuck on housing lists, all because building a brand new C or D rated social house is literally killing the planet

The Greens, and their fans in FG/FF are destroying social mobility, by destroying affordability.

That was a bad mistake and typical of politicians we have: who bring in new legislation without making provision for all the knock on effects. And that was a Green policy - they crowed about it.

The pension situation is another current example, people who've worked most/all their lives obliged to retire at 65 and then subjected to the insult of having to sign on the dole for a year or two to bridge the gap to the state pension. That a government could actually implement such a scheme without realising the disgust of the working public, goes some way to showing how out of touch politicians can get.

Tea Shock · 20-01-2020 1:40pm

ScallionAyter wrote: »

97% of scientists said the planet is dying? Give me a break :rolleyes:

If it wasn't for global warming, Ireland would still be under 1km of ice.

The only thing dying is the lower middle class. Taxed out of existence.

If we took the Greens economic philosophy and applied it to phone ownership, we'd all have to buy the latest iPhones. Cheaper models would be banned, and those who already own a cheap phone would have their tariffs increased to subsidize the purchase of iPhones.

OK, we're playing the game where we pretend it's new information that when we were moving out of the ice age, temperatures were rising by around 0.01 degrees Celsius per decade....and it's now 7 times that :rolleyes: .

SligoBrewer · 20-01-2020 4:39pm

road_high wrote: »

And slapping taxes on everything is going to change that is it?

To stop us from buying SUVs would be a start.

road_high · 20-01-2020 4:47pm

SligoBrewer wrote: »

To stop us from buying SUVs would be a start.

SUVs more popular than ever new- there in lies the failure of the "green" argument. All taxes do is hit older, higher emission cars (that poorer people can afford) as the new ones tend to be low emmissions. Not to mention all the costs of proeducing that new car. The Greens are in cloud cuckoo land.

ScallionAyter · 20-01-2020 6:15pm

Tea Shock wrote: »

OK, we're playing the game where we pretend it's new information that when we were moving out of the ice age, temperatures were rising by around 0.01 degrees Celsius per decade....and it's now 7 times that :rolleyes: .

Has the world's population remained static since temperature records began? No. It has exploded.

Funny that the Greens...or should I call them the Reds, won't talk about over population in the third world.

It's not politically correct to do so. We're only allowed to hammer our own poor people. Until you're willing to address that particular elephant in the room, banning turf cutting etc won't make a blind bit of difference to climate change.

Tea Shock · 20-01-2020 6:39pm

ScallionAyter wrote: »

Has the world's population remained static since temperature records began? No. It has exploded.

Funny that the Greens...or should I call them the Reds, won't talk about over population in the third world.

It's not politically correct to do so. We're only allowed to hammer our own poor people. Until you're willing to address that particular elephant in the room, banning turf cutting etc won't make a blind bit of difference to climate change.

I genuinely have no idea why you think the population of other countries could be or should be an issue in Irish General Election campaigning!

madmaggie · 21-01-2020 1:09am

We did have a Carlow based Green Party minister of state years ago. Can anyone name one benefit she brought to Carlow town or county?

Nokia6230i · 21-01-2020 1:22am

Sen. Murnanes posters in Co. Wicklow; do her team not know the constituency boundaries've been redrawn or ????

https://kclr96fm.com/confusion-as-carlow-kilkenny-election-candidates-posters-appear-in-wicklow/

road_high · 21-01-2020 12:03pm

Nokia6230i wrote: »

Sen. Murnanes posters in Co. Wicklow; do her team not know the constituency boundaries've been redrawn or ????

https://kclr96fm.com/confusion-as-carlow-kilkenny-election-candidates-posters-appear-in-wicklow/

Jesus how thick are they? Ballyconnell has always been in Co Wicklow ffs. The postal adress might be Carlow (just like Rath, Clonegal etc) but they are firmly in Co Wicklow. Incredibly dumb but good to see shes wasting money on places that can't vote for her.

road_high · 21-01-2020 12:05pm

Tea Shock wrote: »

I genuinely have no idea why you think the population of other countries could be or should be an issue in Irish General Election campaigning!

The clue is in the name- Global warming. No point just looking at a tiny population like Ireland in isolation, unless the big players reduce their massive emissions nothing changes.

Tea Shock · 21-01-2020 1:00pm

road_high wrote: »

The clue is in the name- Global warming. No point just looking at a tiny population like Ireland in isolation, unless the big players reduce their massive emissions nothing changes.

We are not electing a parliament to implement policies for the globe!

And the third world are hardly "the big players" with "massive emissions" anyway!

road_high · 21-01-2020 4:47pm

Tea Shock wrote: »

We are not electing a parliament to implement policies for the globe!

And the third world are hardly "the big players" with "massive emissions" anyway!

So voting Green is a waste of time (as I already had summarised anyhow).

Tea Shock · 21-01-2020 11:24pm

road_high wrote: »

So voting Green is a waste of time (as I already had summarised anyhow).

I'm not voting Green. I'm more concerned about using my vote to try keep any member of Bertie Ahern's Government from becoming Taoiseach!

My vote probably won't have any bearing on whether it happens or not. But I don't have to wait for everybody else to do it before I do it myself

Get the point?

fits · 22-01-2020 7:48am

Tea Shock wrote: »

I'm not voting Green. I'm more concerned about using my vote to try keep any member of Bertie Ahern's Government from becoming Taoiseach!

My vote probably won't have any bearing on whether it happens or not. But I don't have to wait for everybody else to do it before I do it myself

Get the point?

I have to say I find Micheal Martin very good and competent. The rest of the party though... I really don’t think Murnane is a good candidate or indeed any of the other ff ers in the constituency.

Reati · 22-01-2020 8:30am

Remember when they call to your door that John McGuinness and Bobby Aylward both voted to block the 8th amendment going to public vote. Whatever your views on that aside, the core of democracy is the right for the people to vote on issues and these politicalians tried to block your right.

Jennifer also appeared in that famous vote no to the 8th picture. Front row center.

road_high · 22-01-2020 8:40am

FF is a gombeens party masquerading as caring. And the 3 idiots locally are dreadful but representative in my view of the real FF.

Nokia6230i · 22-01-2020 9:16am

Reati wrote: »

Remember when they call to your door that John McGuinness and Bobby Aylward both voted to block the 8th amendment going to public vote. Whatever your views on that aside, the core of democracy is the right for the people to vote on issues and these politicalians tried to block your right.

Jennifer also appeared in that famous vote no to the 8th picture. Front row center.

Sen. Murnane also voted against holding of a referendum too; FG x 2 didn't but did Vote No to repealing.

Reati · 22-01-2020 11:29am

Nokia6230i wrote: »

Sen. Murnane also voted against holding of a referendum too; FG x 2 didn't but did Vote No to repealing.

Nott 100% what that means but if they voted no in the ref itself that's their right but my focus is anyone actively blocking the people getting a vote, and that's where I and everyone should draw the line

Nokia6230i · 22-01-2020 12:05pm

Reati wrote: »

Nott 100% what that means but if they voted no in the ref itself that's their right but my focus is anyone actively blocking the people getting a vote, and that's where I and everyone should draw the line

Well either you believe in democracy or, like Jennifer, John & Bobby & far too many others in FF and some FG & Inds. too, you believe it should be democracy only when it suits your agenda.

So yes she & her 2 FF colleagues did try block the vote.

No issue with them actually voting no to referendum itself; a FF group photo exists of all the TDs & Senators involved incl. "Team Jen".

ScallionAyter · 22-01-2020 1:15pm

The race has been blown wide open. The bould Angela is running for the Dail :pac:

While she's out canvassing she can ask voters if they know of a place for rent.

iano.p · 22-01-2020 3:13pm

I almost choked on my tea. Angela Ray is running wow the poor lady is been set up for a big fall, she clearly has mental health issues

HanFiredFirst · 22-01-2020 6:22pm

Wonder did she get 30 people to register their support or did someone put up the €500 to put her name on the ballot one of which is needed to run.

Cw85 · 23-01-2020 1:14pm

HanFiredFirst wrote: »

Wonder did she get 30 people to register their support or did someone put up the €500 to put her name on the ballot one of which is needed to run.

She has links up with a Pay pal account, raised over €1,000 already, you'd wonder where that money is going

BarryD2 · 23-01-2020 4:39pm

Reati wrote: »

Remember when they call to your door that John McGuinness and Bobby Aylward both voted to block the 8th amendment going to public vote. Whatever your views on that aside, the core of democracy is the right for the people to vote on issues and these politicalians tried to block your right.

Jennifer also appeared in that famous vote no to the 8th picture. Front row center.

Basically FF have given the two fingers to a large portion of the electorate who wanted to see that referendum held. They're running three candidates who all used their privileged position to try and block democracy.

With no other choice of candidate - do they want votes at all I wonder? Is there no one in their local party and HQ that could see putting all these people up again isn't the smartest idea if they want votes.

Let's hope they're punished for it and learn a lesson.

HanFiredFirst · 24-01-2020 5:44am

Cw85 wrote: »

She has links up with a Pay pal account, raised over €1,000 already, you'd wonder where that money is going

Fools and their money are easily parted.

Notmything · 24-01-2020 3:43pm

Good to see John McGuinness acknowledge his party affiliation with a barely visible 'fianna fail' on his posters.

Sad thing is he'll top the poll with plenty of support in Kilkenny, and Carlow

BarryD2 · 24-01-2020 4:26pm

Notmything wrote: »

Good to see John McGuinness acknowledge his party affiliation with a barely visible 'fianna fail' on his posters.

Sad thing is he'll top the poll with plenty of support in Kilkenny, and Carlow

He's been that at odds with the leadership at times, it's a wonder he hasn't got the marching orders. Another Independent FF gene pooler in time.

Notmything · 24-01-2020 6:34pm

BarryD2 wrote: »

He's been that at odds with the leadership at times, it's a wonder he hasn't got the marching orders. Another Independent FF gene pooler in time.

He knows where the skeletons are.

road_high · 25-01-2020 1:28am

iano.p wrote: »

I almost choked on my tea. Angela Ray is running wow the poor lady is been set up for a big fall, she clearly has mental health issues

I dunno I think more than anything she’s dangerous. I’d hate to have anything to do with her. Trouble with a capital T

Nokia6230i · 25-01-2020 2:22am

road_high wrote: »

I dunno I think more than anything she’s dangerous. I’d hate to have anything to do with her. Trouble with a capital T

KCLR Live're having a constituency debate in the IT next Thursday morning the 30th of January from 10am-12 Noon; you can guarantee it'll be time delayed by as much as possible cos if Flange's on it she's liable to defame and she's not exactly polished; her young wan'd want to pull serious strings from any PR training she'd've got as a Rose in August 2018 to prevent a lawsuit!!

Matt O'Keeffe of Irish Farmers Journal & the Farm Show Thursday nights on KCLR from 7 to 8pm will also be quizzing candidates who stick around after too; me thinks if she does this she'll be so far out of her depth it'll be dangerous to broadcast!

Finally Sue Nunn The Way It Is from 5:30-7pm also on KCLR will broadcast 2 more GE Debates; already on Thursday she had Bobby Aylward TD (FF), Melissa O'Neill (IFP), Helena Byrne of Renua & Cllr. Patk. O'Neill (FG) so Flange'll be on next weeks or else Thursday the 6th of Februarys one.

So many opportunities to listen to her conspiracy theories & so many chances for her to prove to those who she hasn't blocked despite her "Free Speech" b/s she ascribes to, how much of a nincompoop she is.

Whatever about FG & FF & competency of many of their & the other candidates this one is making a mockery of politics; I really think we'd be better served in this country if there were run offs at local level even within each county rather than letting 14 people as is the case here on same ballot paper; other countries do this.

Like if we did run offs there actually may not be 5 candidates in the end so poor is the choice but it would still mean Flange and a few other questionable entries could be eliminated.

fits · 25-01-2020 8:24am

Nokia6230i wrote: »

; already on Thursday she had Bobby Aylward TD (FF), Melissa O'Neill (IFP), Helena Byrne of Renua & Cllr. Patk. O'Neill (FG) so
.

i listened to that. It was awful. Melissa O’ Neill tried to completely dominate and was spouting anti vacc nonsense, Byrne was terrifying ( giving out about sex education in schools - she’s a teacher!). Bobby Awlward was Completely incoherent. The only normal candidate was Pat O’Neill. And that’s not saying much.

lausp · 25-01-2020 8:46am

fits wrote: »

Bobby Awlward was Completely incoherent. The only normal candidate was Pat O’Neill. And that’s not saying much.

I can't understand the kind of people that vote for Bobby. Surely you want someone articulate and well spoken to represent your constituency. Anytime I've heard him speak, he is neither of those things.

Not a fan of FF or McGuiness but at least he's a steady hand and get things done, even if he loves the limelight.

JP Phelan is articulate and a potential future minister as he seems to be in favour with the party leadership which is valuable for the constituency.

Malcolm seems to come across quite well also.

Not sure on Deering or O'Neill, but they don't seem to have done too much wrong.

The less said about the rest the better.

Nokia6230i · 25-01-2020 8:22pm

Irish Freedom Party (IFP) were in town today; unfurling a banner on Barrack St. in front of the derelict properties; their candidate's ex SF & then Ind. Kilkenny Co. Cllr. Melissa O'Neill.

From when I passed 'em it was single figures.

road_high · 25-01-2020 11:44pm

Nokia6230i wrote: »

Irish Freedom Party (IFP) were in town today; unfurling a banner on Barrack St. in front of the derelict properties; their candidate's ex SF & then Ind. Kilkenny Co. Cllr. Melissa O'Neill.

From when I passed 'em it was single figures.

Sounds like they’re stealing A Wallace’s amazing ideas?

Nokia6230i · 26-01-2020 12:15am

road_high wrote: »

Sounds like they’re stealing A Wallace’s amazing ideas?

Yip; her crowd'd be in single figures too; they went round slapping "People Need To Live Here" PBP stickers on the properties at the time; they then began to wear off & the buildings began to look even more derelict.

The way they're decorated now? Well lipstick on a pig springs to mind......

Sooner this My Carlow plan comes to fruition & they're knocked through the better.....but that, along with Carlow Town Team could be 12th of Never and yet another plan & quango mothballed.

Next Locals're not til 2024; next Generals 2025 (in theory in case of latter...); would imagine we'll still be discussing these buildings then!!

iano.p · 26-01-2020 10:44am

Is what AR doing wIth PayPal legal. Surly that route is open for fraudulent activity.

Nokia6230i · 26-01-2020 11:21am

iano.p wrote: »

Is what AR doing wIth PayPal legal. Surly that route is open for fraudulent activity.

Well I'd suggest asking her yourself (but don't expect any answers ha ha!) > https://www.facebook.com/angela.ray.75873708?__tn__=-UK-R

Her PayPal stuff & GoFundMe for a General Election might come under SIPO rules & I ***think*** it applies to all candidates even when, on Sunday the 9th of February 2020, they're not elected.

Those asking may not be minded to donate and who'd blame them/us; those that do donate probably think they're sticking it to the man os some such & so don't want to ask questions.

It appears this morning either 1, she's blocked anyone who asks questions (or even those of us who haven't based on previous experience; I think she's told who to block by her fellow "Irish Patriots" perhaps???) cos apparently they're all bullies or 2, she's deactivated the account already after only setting it up yesterday (Saturday) afternoon!!!

Not sure if her original account is still there or why she had to set up a new account in first place.

Two Twitter accounts too like? Mad stuff altogether.

Here's her Instagram where she says "I'm looking for change"; make your own jokes about that one ha ha!

https://www.instagram.com/p/B7tY3x9FaNC/?igshid=1lt3xf49tx9j7

For a woman who likes to bang the "Free Speech" drum if she rocks up to the college Thursday morning for the KCLR Live Constituency Debate from 10am-12 Noon she may start answering the hard questions as there's an audience present.

iano.p · 26-01-2020 3:20pm

Nokia6230i wrote: »

Well I'd suggest asking her yourself (but don't expect any answers ha ha!) > https://www.facebook.com/angela.ray.75873708?__tn__=-UK-R

I did ask yesterday on Facebook and some Rita woman replayed within minutes saying I must be a ff man, the real change will come when AR gets in. I am blocked from replying now. It bangs of some kinds fraud to me. On the PayPal link you can't see how much or by who was donated.

Is the show on Tuesday open to the public to attend I wouldn't mind dropping in.

Notmything · 26-01-2020 5:20pm

Nokia6230i wrote: »

Well I'd suggest asking her yourself (but don't expect any answers ha ha!) > https://www.facebook.com/angela.ray.75873708?__tn__=-UK-R

!

https://www.instagram.com/p/B7tY3x9FaNC/?igshid=1lt3xf49tx9j7

Clicking on the link bringing me to a "page not found". So I'm either banned or she has deleted it.

All I did was reply to a comment where she talked about the state leaving her brother homeless. She made her brother sound like a saint. I just pointed out he wasn't a saint when he robbed my mother.

Nokia6230i · 26-01-2020 5:43pm

Cllr. Wallace is canvassing in Borris today. Here's her video https://www.facebook.com/AdriennePBPA/videos/599267734189098/

"It's gonna be those non voters who win it for Fianna Fail and Fine Gael"........what now?

Notmything · 26-01-2020 5:45pm

Nokia6230i wrote: »

Cllr. Wallace is canvassing in Borris today. Here's her video https://www.facebook.com/AdriennePBPA/videos/599267734189098/

"It's gonna be those non voters who win it for Fianna Fail and Fine Gael"........what now?

She assumes that everyone who won't vote would have voted for her and her ilk. Quite a leap of logic.

Be well and win · 27-01-2020 10:56am

I found it interesting driving around various places over the weekend and the sheer lack of posters for Pat Deering around Carlow was surprising. It's a similar situation in other constituencies where it's all posters of Leo and none of the candidates. There is the old saying about all politics being local, I wonder how this "presidential" style campaign will work for FG

Nokia6230i · 28-01-2020 12:05am

So far all I've got in Carlow town is FG & GP Lit. by post & FF (hand delivered); anyone got anything else from other parties or independents?

Can't imagine Alan Hayes Ind. will be able do much & I'd be shocked if too many this side of constituency know of him; I know he was IT Carlow SU President sometime in last few years.

Lab. were in Borris at weekend; so were PBP; I know the latter has leaflets but unsure if party or personal; don't know re Labour.

Agent Coulson · 28-01-2020 12:14am

No one has knocked on my door yet.

Lots of flyers from An Post and the lads who door to doors flyers.

madmaggie · 28-01-2020 12:39am

No-one around here yet, though we're always an afterthought. Last time Jennifer was here three times, mad keen. Only fliers were the FF and GP from the postman, who is fairly pi**ed off with the lot of them.

byhookorbycrook · 28-01-2020 4:45pm

Caller for Pat Deering couldn’t answer as to any of his policies.Waste of time .

Be well and win · 29-01-2020 10:23am

Only one we've had is jennifer herself. No sign of anyone else

Nokia6230i · 29-01-2020 10:47am

Just saw one of the candidates has spent, potentially the €1000 she was aiming for via PayPal; her poster/leaflet says "Kilkenny-Carlow"......

Nokia6230i · 29-01-2020 10:54am

Whatever about Helena Byrne at 40/1 or Melissa ONeill (IFP) @ 80/1 if I was Cllr. Wallace @ 66/1 I'd be embarrassed and on top of this they're all behind AR who's on 33/1; guessing her supporters're having quite the flutter?

Dunmoreroader · 29-01-2020 4:06pm

road_high wrote: »

Pretty dismal. Carlow Kilkenny is extremely apolitical and people here tend to potter along with her own lives. Contrast that with places like the west and even Waterford where the electorate seem to expect life altering actions from Dáil Éireann. I think we don’t feel that removed from Dublin so there’s not the same disconnect perhaps

Pretty dismal is the lack of regional unity in the Southeast to get services for our region that most other regions take for granted like a University or 24/7 cardiac care.
Waterford voters agitating for these services to be delivered by government would be life altering for all citizens of the southeast, not just Waterford. Don't we all want to be treated quickly locally(i.e. within our region) if we had heart-attacks rather than die in an ambulance on the road to Dublin or Cork? Do we not all want our kids to have the choice of a University education within our own region?
Pretty dismal is the "meh" I hear on these issues in Kilkenny, Carlow, Wexford while thousands in Waterford give out till we're blue in the face, kicking TD'S in and out of office, marching time after time after time.
Pretty dismal, yea.

Election 2020 - Carlow/Kilkenny. See Mod Note in post 1

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