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Gangland Shootings Cont'd [Mod Note in Post #1 updated 27/01/20

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    #5162
    Googleyes
    Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭Googleyes


    Can someone please explain me the rules on mentioning full names, thanks in advance


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    #5163
    Thesiger
    Registered Users Posts: 443 ✭✭Thesiger


    Lolalita wrote: »
    Man I can't keep up with these initials

    On an unrelated matter, this is an interesting article - https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/tiger-kidnapping-charges-dropped-against-man-gardai-described-as-one-of-the-top-criminals-in-the-country-38236903.html


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    #5164
    h2005
    Registered Users Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭h2005


    Googleyes wrote: »
    Can someone please explain me the rules on mentioning full names, thanks in advance

    Don’t use a full name unless it’s already published in a newspaper


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    #5165
    NorthCity
    Registered Users Posts: 215 ✭✭NorthCity


    RTE One now Primetime from Drogheda


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    #5166
    Johndoe19
    Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭Johndoe19


    Googleyes wrote: »
    Can someone please explain me the rules on mentioning full names, thanks in advance

    Read the first page


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    #5167
    DonBertie
    Registered Users Posts: 14 ✭DonBertie


    Been lurking for some time. I understand the genesis of the latest developments came about in July 2018 with a split in Drogheda's main drugs outfit. Trying to get to the bottom of the latest escalation although I understand most of this will be speculation and ill-informed conclusions.

    4th November 2019 - RC is shot dead at his home after surviving a previous attempt in March 2019. According to news article he "was regarded by gardaí as a drug dealer arranging for the supply of drugs to one of the two gangs involved in the gun feud in Drogheda, Co Louth."

    A different article states "his crew was hit by a massive seizure in Co Louth two weeks ago and he travelled to the UK to have a high-level debrief meeting about how it happened - it is not known if this has anything to do with his murder."

    This must relate to the €3m worth of cannabis seized on a lorry in late October near Dundalk.

    Mid December 2019 - RL who is RC's brother in law is assaulted on the street (video is doing the rounds) by associates of KM (I'm unclear as to whether KM was present).

    Early January 2020 - RL is provided with GIM by the guards.
    12th January 2020 - KM is abducted

    Running with several theories at the minute.
    A) Death of KM may be related to the GIM (which was inspired by several groups apparently)
    B) Death of KM is retaliation for December assault and/or other previous bad behaviour
    C) Death of KM is retaliation for murder of RL's brother in law in November. If it is this one it creates new questions:
    Was KM involved in murder of RC?
    Was RC's murder due to the Drogheda feud or was it because a lot of product was lost under his watch just days before and someone wasn't happy or felt he was no longer trustworthy? Maybe even offered RC up to the rival Drogheda gang?

    [I'd post links to the news articles but restricted as a newbie]


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    #5168
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Zs101 wrote: »
    Should we use ratios or fractions?

    Haha yeah what I was getting at how much bigger would jg be to Richie or would Richie have peddled as much stuff in the country,


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    #5169
    Louskerr123
    Registered Users Posts: 25 ✭Louskerr123


    h2005 wrote: »
    Don’t use a full name unless it’s already published in a newspaper


    Always find it strange as to why the press shorten JG surname when reporting?


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    #5170
    Lolalita
    Registered Users Posts: 21 ✭Lolalita


    Thesiger wrote: »
    On an unrelated matter, this is an interesting article [/url]

    Thanks. The amount of nolle prosequi these lads get is crazy having read through some old cases. They're never going away for serious time


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    #5171
    anonaamus
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭anonaamus


    GIM?
    DonBertie wrote: »
    Been lurking for some time. I understand the genesis of the latest developments came about in July 2018 with a split in Drogheda's main drugs outfit. Trying to get to the bottom of the latest escalation although I understand most of this will be speculation and ill-informed conclusions.

    4th November 2019 - RC is shot dead at his home after surviving a previous attempt in March 2019. According to news article he "was regarded by gardaí as a drug dealer arranging for the supply of drugs to one of the two gangs involved in the gun feud in Drogheda, Co Louth."

    A different article states "his crew was hit by a massive seizure in Co Louth two weeks ago and he travelled to the UK to have a high-level debrief meeting about how it happened - it is not known if this has anything to do with his murder."

    This must relate to the €3m worth of cannabis seized on a lorry in late October near Dundalk.

    Mid December 2019 - RL who is RC's brother in law is assaulted on the street (video is doing the rounds) by associates of KM (I'm unclear as to whether KM was present).

    Early January 2020 - RL is provided with GIM by the guards.
    12th January 2020 - KM is abducted

    Running with several theories at the minute.
    A) Death of KM may be related to the GIM (which was inspired by several groups apparently)
    B) Death of KM is retaliation for December assault and/or other previous bad behaviour
    C) Death of KM is retaliation for murder of RL's brother in law in November. If it is this one it creates new questions:
    Was KM involved in murder of RC?
    Was RC's murder due to the Drogheda feud or was it because a lot of product was lost under his watch just days before and someone wasn't happy or felt he was no longer trustworthy? Maybe even offered RC up to the rival Drogheda gang?

    [I'd post links to the news articles but restricted as a newbie]


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    #5172
    anonaamus
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭anonaamus


    They must have someone important on the pay roll. Very suspicious..

    Lolalita wrote: »
    Thanks. The amount of nolle prosequi these lads get is crazy having read through some old cases. They're never going away for serious time


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    #5173
    Lolalita
    Registered Users Posts: 21 ✭Lolalita


    DonBertie wrote: »
    Been lurking for some time. I understand the genesis of the latest developments came about in July 2018 with a split in Drogheda's main drugs outfit. Trying to get to the bottom of the latest escalation although I understand most of this will be speculation and ill-informed conclusions.

    4th November 2019 - RC is shot dead at his home after surviving a previous attempt in March 2019. According to news article he "was regarded by gardaí as a drug dealer arranging for the supply of drugs to one of the two gangs involved in the gun feud in Drogheda, Co Louth."

    A different article states "his crew was hit by a massive seizure in Co Louth two weeks ago and he travelled to the UK to have a high-level debrief meeting about how it happened - it is not known if this has anything to do with his murder."

    This must relate to the €3m worth of cannabis seized on a lorry in late October near Dundalk.

    Mid December 2019 - RL who is RC's brother in law is assaulted on the street (video is doing the rounds) by associates of KM (I'm unclear as to whether KM was present).

    Early January 2020 - RL is provided with GIM by the guards.
    12th January 2020 - KM is abducted

    Running with several theories at the minute.
    A) Death of KM may be related to the GIM (which was inspired by several groups apparently)
    B) Death of KM is retaliation for December assault and/or other previous bad behaviour
    C) Death of KM is retaliation for murder of RL's brother in law in November. If it is this one it creates new questions:
    Was KM involved in murder of RC?
    Was RC's murder due to the Drogheda feud or was it because a lot of product was lost under his watch just days before and someone wasn't happy or felt he was no longer trustworthy? Maybe even offered RC up to the rival Drogheda gang?

    [I'd post links to the news articles but restricted as a newbie]

    If you have a few of the articles handy, will you pm them to me just so I can figure out all these ****ing initials without asking every 5 mins


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    #5174
    Johndoe19
    Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭Johndoe19


    DonBertie wrote: »
    Been lurking for some time. I understand the genesis of the latest developments came about in July 2018 with a split in Drogheda's main drugs outfit. Trying to get to the bottom of the latest escalation although I understand most of this will be speculation and ill-informed conclusions.

    4th November 2019 - RC is shot dead at his home after surviving a previous attempt in March 2019. According to news article he "was regarded by gardaí as a drug dealer arranging for the supply of drugs to one of the two gangs involved in the gun feud in Drogheda, Co Louth."

    A different article states "his crew was hit by a massive seizure in Co Louth two weeks ago and he travelled to the UK to have a high-level debrief meeting about how it happened - it is not known if this has anything to do with his murder."

    This must relate to the €3m worth of cannabis seized on a lorry in late October near Dundalk.

    Mid December 2019 - RL who is RC's brother in law is assaulted on the street (video is doing the rounds) by associates of KM (I'm unclear as to whether KM was present).

    Early January 2020 - RL is provided with GIM by the guards.
    12th January 2020 - KM is abducted

    Running with several theories at the minute.
    A) Death of KM may be related to the GIM (which was inspired by several groups apparently)
    B) Death of KM is retaliation for December assault and/or other previous bad behaviour
    C) Death of KM is retaliation for murder of RL's brother in law in November. If it is this one it creates new questions:
    Was KM involved in murder of RC?
    Was RC's murder due to the Drogheda feud or was it because a lot of product was lost under his watch just days before and someone wasn't happy or felt he was no longer trustworthy? Maybe even offered RC up to the rival Drogheda gang?

    [I'd post links to the news articles but restricted as a newbie]

    More complex than that. There is a proper summary a few pages back. You are missing a big part about Keith Brannigan murder in Clogherhead. Also OM and his brother being shot plus the (apparent) blood found in GmcK house - but that’s not yet confirmed. The blood was mentioned last night on here and twitter but I wouldn’t take that as proof of anything at the moment!


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    #5175
    Bounty hunter 123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭Bounty hunter 123


    DonBertie wrote: »
    Been lurking for some time. I understand the genesis of the latest developments came about in July 2018 with a split in Drogheda's main drugs outfit. Trying to get to the bottom of the latest escalation although I understand most of this will be speculation and ill-informed conclusions.

    4th November 2019 - RC is shot dead at his home after surviving a previous attempt in March 2019. According to news article he "was regarded by gardaí as a drug dealer arranging for the supply of drugs to one of the two gangs involved in the gun feud in Drogheda, Co Louth."

    A different article states "his crew was hit by a massive seizure in Co Louth two weeks ago and he travelled to the UK to have a high-level debrief meeting about how it happened - it is not known if this has anything to do with his murder."

    This must relate to the €3m worth of cannabis seized on a lorry in late October near Dundalk.

    Mid December 2019 - RL who is RC's brother in law is assaulted on the street (video is doing the rounds) by associates of KM (I'm unclear as to whether KM was present).

    Early January 2020 - RL is provided with GIM by the guards.
    12th January 2020 - KM is abducted

    Running with several theories at the minute.
    A) Death of KM may be related to the GIM (which was inspired by several groups apparently)
    B) Death of KM is retaliation for December assault and/or other previous bad behaviour
    C) Death of KM is retaliation for murder of RL's brother in law in November. If it is this one it creates new questions:
    Was KM involved in murder of RC?
    Was RC's murder due to the Drogheda feud or was it because a lot of product was lost under his watch just days before and someone wasn't happy or felt he was no longer trustworthy? Maybe even offered RC up to the rival Drogheda gang?

    [I'd post links to the news articles but restricted as a newbie]

    I would say all 3 theories connected


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    #5176
    rickross
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4 ✭rickross


    Louskerr123 wrote: »
    Always find it strange as to why the press shorten JG surname when reporting?

    think the press printed it wrong in the first place. like only printed the first 4 letters and that was that.
    accidently on purpose?


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    #5177
    Ratbags
    Registered Users Posts: 96 ✭✭Ratbags


    Government issued message (normally when your served official notice that your life is under threat)
    anonaamus wrote: »
    GIM?


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    #5178
    DonBertie
    Registered Users Posts: 14 ✭DonBertie


    anonaamus wrote: »
    GIM?

    Google is your friend.

    "A Garda Information Message, known as a GIM form, is an official garda document in which officers give formal notice that they are aware of a possible threat on a target's life or safety."


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    #5179
    Syndic
    Registered Users Posts: 244 ✭✭Syndic


    Louskerr123 wrote: »
    Always find it strange as to why the press shorten JG surname when reporting?

    I find this strange too. Especially that they were reporting from a trial where his real full name would definitely have been stated.

    Before he was ever mentioned in a paper, I always knew him by the longer name.


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    #5180
    anonaamus
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭anonaamus


    His arse

    Sonny LoSpecchio wrote: »
    Where's this coming from? Twitter!


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    #5181
    Oswald Mosley
    Registered Users Posts: 32 ✭Oswald Mosley


    Sonny LoSpecchio wrote: »
    Where's this coming from? Twitter!

    Word round the campfire.


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    #5182
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Madouveh wrote: »
    My favourite part of this thread is hearing a bunch of people with Tayto dust encrusted on their fingertips and RTE on constant stream in the background - speculate and whisper about a minority of a minority of utter scumbags who couldn't pass 1st year CSPE - as if they're El Chapo's henchmen.

    These are just a bunch of bike thieves who got into selling drugs. This is not 'organized crime'.

    The actual tragedy in all this is that most poor kids who are at risk dont see another life for themselves. They are angry (rightfully so) and don't have the vocabulary or means to express it. So grey tracksuits with blue windbreakers become their chosen attire and they usually have convictions before they're out of their teens which prevent them from being able to even get a job or emigrate even if they got their sh1t together.

    Meaningful investment and sustained social services in these areas won't solve the problem, but it can certainly help some at risk people heal and not revert to drugs or crime; it can also assist them in visualizing a future for themselves other than what we're reading about in the news.


    Wow! Awesome Post.... Thank you!


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    #5183
    Louskerr123
    Registered Users Posts: 25 ✭Louskerr123


    Syndic wrote: »
    I find this strange too. Especially that they were reporting from a trial where his real full name would definitely have been stated.

    Before he was ever mentioned in a paper, I always knew him by the longer name.

    His sister still goes by the longer name, so I always wondered did he change it to try and hide who he was - granted not a very drastic change and not hard to guess!
    His Facebook name is just as obvious!


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    #5184
    rickross
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4 ✭rickross


    Louskerr123 wrote: »
    His sister still goes by the longer name, so I always wondered did he change it to try and hide who he was - granted not a very drastic change and not hard to guess!
    His Facebook name is just as obvious!

    someone was sayin a few pages back, in other countries the state picks a side.


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    #5185
    GuantanamoBaye
    Registered Users Posts: 6 ✭GuantanamoBaye


    I was at JG's trial for a few days. His brief, the prosecution, the judge and the witnesses all referred to him by the four letter 'version' of his name.

    Apologies for adding to the single digit count. Couldn't be arsed trawling up my username and password from years back.


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    #5186
    Bounty hunter 123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭Bounty hunter 123


    anonaamus wrote: »
    Yea because he ratted on an oul pal of his, Carl Vogelar (price has a hit on) Carl served time for this.

    Would he be stupid enough to rat on RL if pc gets lifted first ?


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    #5187
    DonBertie
    Registered Users Posts: 14 ✭DonBertie


    rickross wrote: »
    think the press printed it wrong in the first place. like only printed the first 4 letters and that was that.
    accidently on purpose?

    Both NI and ROI outlets report the shortened name. Odd.

    Is the longer name maybe just a pseudonym?


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    #5188
    Louskerr123
    Registered Users Posts: 25 ✭Louskerr123


    GuantanamoBaye wrote: »
    I was at JG's trial for a few days. His brief, the prosecution, the judge and the witnesses all referred to him by the four letter 'version' of his name.

    Apologies for adding to the single digit count. Couldn't be arsed trawling up my username and password from years back.



    I wonder did he change it by deed poll? Full names would have to be used in court. Very strange.


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    #5189
    Bounty hunter 123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭Bounty hunter 123


    Haladmirer wrote: »
    The OM shooting doesn't look like RLs work
    RL mo is two in the head
    OM was a messy job.and unsuccessful

    Depends on the circumstances he messed up before
    Anthony adodeji supposedly


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    #5190
    GuantanamoBaye
    Registered Users Posts: 6 ✭GuantanamoBaye


    Louskerr123 wrote: »
    I wonder did he change it by deed poll? Full names would have to be used in court. Very strange.

    I don't know. I've always been a bit confused when I see people using the longer version online.

    I had been popping in fairly frequently and then missed the day it all fell apart. Raging!


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    #5191
    anonaamus
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭anonaamus


    Over money apparently, and he owes KB €50k.
    IvoryTower wrote: »
    Why does price have a hit on vogs head? I knew vogs and pc were previously close by their facebook posts but didn't know they fell out


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