Why we need Capital punishment (again)

Pkiernan · 03-07-2019 9:02pm #1

This guy is a time bomb.

Pray you're not nearby when he has his next "impulse".

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/i-think-that-man-is-evil-woman-feared-for-life-when-she-was-dragged-from-car-and-viciously-beaten-38280057.html

branie2 · 03-07-2019 9:06pm

Just life imprisonment - and I mean life

03-07-2019 9:07pm

Keep the scummer in circulation through the courts, legal profession mint the coin. Vested interests come first in this country.

endacl · 03-07-2019 9:08pm

We need capital punishment only slightly less than we need another capital punishment thread.

Bobblehats · 03-07-2019 9:09pm

Could have sworn I saw him in the news before. For chatting up young ones or something

suicide_circus · 03-07-2019 9:12pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Keep the scummer in circulation through the courts, legal profession mint the coin. Vested interests come first in this country.

i really dont see any other reasonable explanation for our grossly lenient sentencing of repeat violent offenders.

Calltocall · 03-07-2019 9:15pm

I agree, in cases like above I cannot see the benefit in keeping a degenerate like this in circulation, even in prison, it would do him and the rest of us a favour.

BattleCorp · 03-07-2019 9:18pm

Throw him head first into an industrial wood chipper. Problem solved.

Calltocall · 03-07-2019 9:24pm

Calltocall wrote: »

I agree, in cases like above I cannot see the benefit in keeping a degenerate like this in circulation, even in prison, it would do him and the rest of us a favour.

Just to add, it’s sentences like this that make me want to shake the judge and shout wtf is wrong with you!! Two years FFS, that’s attempted murder, if it wasn’t for people intervening she could well be dead, seriously two years on what planet does that seem like a reasonable sentence for almost beating someone to death for absolutely nothing, it’s infuriating, and for good measure we’ll throw in the auld partial suspended sentence. It’s one thing that really gets to me about Ireland the ****ing inconsistent pathetic sentences handed out by our judiciary

biko · 03-07-2019 9:31pm

Send him to Van Diemen's Land

Pkiernan · 03-07-2019 9:47pm

biko wrote: »

Send him to Van Diemen's Land

Lol.

Bobblehats · 03-07-2019 9:50pm

I suppose the real burning question is do we need a capital C?

Church on Tuesday · 03-07-2019 9:52pm

Hopefully he'll get the ****e beaten out of him in prison.

Many inmates don't take to kindly to woman beaters, so here's hoping.

ILoveYourVibes · 03-07-2019 9:53pm

26 previous convictions against women????

Gael23 · 03-07-2019 9:55pm

Pkiernan wrote: »

This guy is a time bomb.

Pray you're not nearby when he has his next "impulse".

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/i-think-that-man-is-evil-woman-feared-for-life-when-she-was-dragged-from-car-and-viciously-beaten-38280057.html

Are you volunteering to be the hangman?

squawker · 03-07-2019 9:56pm

Battle royal on an uninhabited Island off the coast make some good PPV money for the state

Gimme A Pound · 03-07-2019 9:58pm

Why the f is he not in an institution or under some sort of care scheme?

Used to have a neighbour who sustained a brain injury in a car accident also - constantly trashing people's cars, yelling abuse, took a crowbar to letterboxes, made obscene gestures to us women... and we were just waiting for him to physically assault someone. His family had washed their hands of him.

HSE couldn't do anything! It's only "used to" because I moved, not him.

Calltocall wrote: »

Just to add, it’s sentences like this that make me want to shake the judge and shout wtf is wrong with you!! Two years FFS, that’s attempted murder, if it wasn’t for people intervening she could well be dead, seriously two years on what planet does that seem like a reasonable sentence for almost beating someone to death for absolutely nothing, it’s infuriating, and for good measure we’ll throw in the auld partial suspended sentence. It’s one thing that really gets to me about Ireland the ****ing inconsistent pathetic sentences handed out by our judiciary

I wonder how much choice the judges have though - I just don't believe that they genuinely think these sentences are sufficient, and that their hands are tied.

touts · 03-07-2019 10:05pm

There is only one thing worse than a state that leaves scum like that walk the streets and that's a state that kills people.

Totally disagree with capital punishment but this is another example of how our current justice industry needs to be completely reformed. After 3 convictions you should not be permitted things like early release, reduced sentences, bail etc. If you are a repeat offender you serve the maximum sentence for the crime and you don't get the benefit of the doubt that bail represents while awaiting trial. You have proven yourself a danger to society incapable of learning from your mistakes and unworthy of further leniency from society.

This animal should be locked up where he can no longer harm women or generate income for the justice industry.

touts · 03-07-2019 10:10pm

Gimme A Pound wrote: »

I wonder how much choice the judges have though - I just don't believe that they genuinely think these sentences are sufficient, and that their hands are tied.

I believe they look at a man with 26 convictions and think chaching chaching chaching. The more often these guys are before the course the more taxpayers money the justice industry hoovers up. And sure judges may no longer be paid by the case but they came up through the ranks being paid by the case and now, most likely as multimillionaires, they are keeping that gravy train running for the lawyers coming up behind them.

Gimme A Pound · 03-07-2019 10:13pm

touts wrote: »

I believe they look at a man with 26 convictions and think chaching chaching chaching.

I think that about criminal defence solicitors but judges, I dunno... like, a lot of the sentencing is based on existing legislation. I don't think they just pluck arbitrary sentences out of nowhere.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 03-07-2019 10:15pm

If he has some kind of mental illness that causes him to be so impulsive that he can’t be rehabilitated he needs to be permanently in a secure psychiatric clinic not on revolving door.

The sentencing is atrocious as always.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 03-07-2019 10:16pm

Gimme A Pound wrote: »

I think that about criminal defence solicitors but judges, I dunno... like, a lot of the sentencing is based on existing legislation. I don't think they just pluck arbitrary sentences out of nowhere.

They follow their own precedent. Laws give them a lot of scope but they’ve always gone low on sentencing.

touts · 03-07-2019 10:20pm

Gimme A Pound wrote: »

I think that about criminal defence solicitors but judges, I dunno... like, a lot of the sentencing is based on existing legislation. I don't think they just pluck arbitrary sentences out of nowhere.

Judges are guided by sentencing guidelines & legislation but are granted far too much discretion to reward the criminal with leniency. A repeat offender has proven they are not worthy of bail or reduced sentences but judges repeatedly grant them in the face of overwhelming evidence that the criminal will just use freedom to commit more crimes. The only logical reason for that repeated leniency towards unreformable animals is that it is designed mainly to keep the criminal on the streets generating money for justice industry.

The_Brood · 03-07-2019 10:20pm

At this point the enemy of the people are not scum like this. At this point it is the garda and the court systems that are supposed to be protecting people but are sitting on their hands allowing stuff like this to happen. They are paid and funded by the public to protect the public. But time and time again they pervade justice in order for what...to be seen as more "humane" toward such scum? So that the government gets a high five from the UN?

People need to get angry and stay angry. And vote and pursue change.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 03-07-2019 10:22pm

I love the way the judge said he wasn’t getting off when he gave a 2 year sentence.

03-07-2019 10:22pm

why, in a country of 4 odd million people, we need a ****er like this breathing, is beyond me

we're not running out of mouths to feed.

put this useless specimen to sleep and put the money into healthcare

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 03-07-2019 10:26pm

touts wrote: »

I believe they look at a man with 26 convictions and think chaching chaching chaching. The more often these guys are before the course the more taxpayers money the justice industry hoovers up. And sure judges may no longer be paid by the case but they came up through the ranks being paid by the case and now, most likely as multimillionaires, they are keeping that gravy train running for the lawyers coming up behind them.

56 convictions. 26 assaults on women. One of which was sexual assault on a 12 year old. Two cases before the courts yesterday - a vicious assault and a terrifying ordeal for teenagers, one of which was sexually assaulted. One year for that. Two years for the assault.

The_Brood · 03-07-2019 11:41pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

56 convictions. 26 assaults on women. One of which was sexual assault on a 12 year old. Two cases before the courts yesterday - a vicious assault and a terrifying ordeal for teenagers, one of which was sexually assaulted. One year for that. Two years for the assault.

Better than getting a letter from the UN telling you you're not "humane" enough I suppose...

ffs.

Hal3000 · 03-07-2019 11:43pm

I've been arguing stricter sentencing here for a long time. You'd be very surprised the amount of people who are against it here. We need a petition to get things started and then a repeal style movement to dramatically change our sentencing laws.

Tokyo · 04-07-2019 5:19am

Mod: Moved from AH > CA

04-07-2019 5:48am

He got the same amount of time in the end as my brother did for a first offense non-violent drug crime.

Scumbag judge should have his wife put in a locked room with this mongrel in two years time to test his rehabilitation. The guy has total immunity for anything he does in the room. Why the fuk should a judge sentence some other woman to a beating? The effect of his failure at life should be felt closer to home.

Wanderer78 · 04-07-2019 5:56am

Capital punishment more than likely won't solve future crimes, people with impulsive behavioral issues, tend to have, well impulsive behavioral issues

Auguste Comte · 04-07-2019 6:28am

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

If he has some kind of mental illness that causes him to be so impulsive that he can’t be rehabilitated he needs to be permanently in a secure psychiatric clinic not on revolving door.

^^^
Exactly, this is a failure of the mental health services,he has an acquired brain injury and should be in a secure care facility not prison and certainly not euthanized.

Wanderer78 · 04-07-2019 6:47am

Auguste Comte wrote: »

^^^
Exactly, this is a failure of the mental health services,he has an acquired brain injury and should be in a secure care facility not prison and certainly not euthanized.

id class it more a 'multi-system failure' and not just a health care system failure, i.e its also a failure of our legal system

UpBack1234 · 04-07-2019 6:47am

Killing people seems like a solution doesn't it? Over the centuries they've gotten really creative - impalings, crucifixions, chopping peoples heads off and putting them on sticks outside villages as a warning.. But it has never been a true deterrent, as people keep committing crimes and we just start to look like barbaric sadists who react like a gang of apes, grabbing pitchforks every time someone commits a crime. It's no way to run a justice system.

BattleCorp · 04-07-2019 7:27am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Capital punishment more than likely won't solve future crimes,

It'll prevent them reoffending.

It's statistically proven that people commit significantly less crimes when they are dead.

Wanderer78 · 04-07-2019 8:13am

BattleCorp wrote:

It's statistically proven that people commit significantly less crimes when they are dead.

An element of the concept of capital punishment is to be a deterrent to others, not to commit such acts, the only problem with this is, impulsive behavioral issues tend not to adhere to this logic, I.e. it probably doesn't do much if anything to prevent others from committing such acts, and we learn very little if anything from dead people with these issues

machiavellianme · 04-07-2019 8:21am

touts wrote: »

There is only one thing worse than a state that leaves scum like that walk the streets and that's a state that kills people.

Totally disagree with capital punishment but this is another example of how our current justice industry needs to be completely reformed. After 3 convictions you should not be permitted things like early release, reduced sentences, bail etc. If you are a repeat offender you serve the maximum sentence for the crime and you don't get the benefit of the doubt that bail represents while awaiting trial. You have proven yourself a danger to society incapable of learning from your mistakes and unworthy of further leniency from society.

This animal should be locked up where he can no longer harm women or generate income for the justice industry.

What do you think locking him up will do, bar generate income for the justice industry (prison officers)?
There's no reforming here. Leaving him to rot for life solves nothing.
You call him an animal, but as a farmer, if I have a bad animal, I dispose of it (as humanely as possible).

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 04-07-2019 11:44am

BattleCorp wrote: »

It'll prevent them reoffending.

It's statistically proven that people commit significantly less crimes when they are dead.

Source?

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 04-07-2019 11:46am

One of the problems with the death penalty, apart from the obvious, is that it actually incentivises multiple homocides, once you’be done the first one might as well continue

. Would not apply in this case anyway. This guy deserved 10+ years.

osarusan · 04-07-2019 12:18pm

Seeing as how capital punishment is never, ever again going to exist in Ireland, it's a fairly pointless discussion.

Sentencing reform is absolutely something that should be talked about.

I've never been a big favour of three strikes laws or even minimum sentencing, because I think judges should have discretion, but I think the problem is a culture of lenient sentencing within Irish judges.

When people argue for stuff like three strikes laws, what it really means to me is that we have some really crap judges, and a three strikes law just limits the scope of their crapness. We should be looking for them to be less crap in the first place.

Lillyfae · 04-07-2019 12:33pm

We know he has a brain injury but do we know that he's only begun commiting these crimes since he was injured? Or were their convictions prior to him becoming injured aswell? No mention of it here...

Graces7 · 04-07-2019 2:10pm

Lillyfae wrote: »

We know he has a brain injury but do we know that he's only begun commiting these crimes since he was injured? Or were their convictions prior to him becoming injured aswell? No mention of it here...

if so then he must needs be removed from where he can harm folk. Used to be long stay secure mental hospitals..

Hal3000 · 05-07-2019 7:38am

The judges are already lining up the suspended sentences. https://www.thejournal.ie/car-thieves-dublin-4710159-Jul2019/

There are no more deterrents for crime in this country.

Wanderer78 · 05-07-2019 7:41am

Hal3000 wrote:

There are no more deterrents for crime in this country.

Again, some humans show little or no signs of changing their behavior due to legal deterrents, this logic and approach simply doesn't work for them

Hal3000 · 05-07-2019 7:49am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Again, some humans show little or no signs of changing their behavior due to legal deterrents, this logic and approach simply doesn't work for them

So we put up with crime because some people aren't deterred by strict punishments?

Wanderer78 · 05-07-2019 7:56am

Hal3000 wrote:

So we put up with crime because some people aren't deterred by strict punishments?

No not at all, if people commit crimes, they should be tried by jury, and placed in custody if that is the outcome of the court, they should also receive as much rehabilitative treatment as possible in custody, in order to try integrate them back into society, its probably a good idea to note, some show little or no response to this process, show little or no response to increased sentencing, harsher treatment etc, basically, we don't have a clue what to do about them

Why we need Capital punishment (again)

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