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John kerr 1855 where is he?

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  • #52
    dido2
    Registered Users Posts: 447 ✭✭dido2


    Did any of John Kerrs children marry around 1911, if so one of their marriage certs might indicate if he was a publican or not, or any of their marriage certs for that matter, if nothing lists him as a publican then there would be no reason to believe his John Kerr the publican...


  • #53
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    dido2 wrote: »
    Did any of John Kerrs children marry around 1911, if so one of their marriage certs might indicate if he was a publican or not, or any of their marriage certs for that matter, if nothing lists him as a publican then there would be no reason to believe his John Kerr the publican...

    But that is definately him though as it is in my family that they owned a bar and that jane kerr his daughter was a teacher. She was very religious and she was the one who donated that money to the church. So im sure. I think maybe what happened is that george phillips died after 1920.

    Theres just something odd about it.


  • #54
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    What if they did buy the bar after 1911?


  • #55
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    Alright ordered the marriage certificate off the Rootireland.ie site

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    the fact that it says hes born in 1858 is making it even more confusing. I am beginning to think that John Kerrs mum is not phillips.


  • #56
    tanoralover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55 ✭✭tanoralover


    Patrick Carr and Patrick Mellon were both in Aghafad at the time of Griffiths Valuation so chances are both John and Catherine were baptised there.


  • #57
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    tanoralover wrote: »
    Patrick Carr and Patrick Mellon were both in Aghafad at the time of Griffiths Valuation so chances are both John and Catherine were baptised there.

    Yes I noticed that, I think I will have to email the Catholic church there and see what they've got. I'm not sure about that area at all as it is around 60 miles from my home. If you are from that area do you know much about the Kerrs locally?

    I will look more into these Kerrs of Aughafad (really odd name).

    Is Carr the Irish version of Kerr? I thought that maybe the Kerrs were converts but i'm now beginning to think not, I mean Protestants would not really call their kids Patrick.


  • #58
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    There is also a Patrick Kerr in Blackfort Donacavey
    http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/tyrone/donacavey.htm


  • #59
    tanoralover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55 ✭✭tanoralover


    owenc wrote: »
    If you are from that area do you know much about the Kerrs locally?

    Sorry, can't help you there but I found a death record for Patrick Kerr b. 1808 d. 1878. I'm not sure if this is John's father of grandfather.

    His will is here. Executors were James McCartin and Philip Cambell of Aghafad.


  • #60
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    tanoralover wrote: »
    Sorry, can't help you there but I found a death record for Patrick Kerr b. 1808 d. 1878. I'm not sure if this is John's father of grandfather.

    His will is here. Executors were James McCartin and Philip Cambell of Aghafad.

    Ok thank you. Will check that out.


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  • #61
    dido2
    Registered Users Posts: 447 ✭✭dido2


    I wouldn't take too much notice of his age, I tend to go 10 years either side of an age when looking for someone, after I found both the death record and burial record for my Great Great grandfather and there was 15 years of a difference in his age between both records!!! The ones where the person actually gives the information themselves like their age at the time of their marriage I would usually go by then, or if the ages on the census match up I'd go loosely by them too..

    I would think at this stage the church will be your best bet in finding his birth record


  • #62
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    I dont know I will email the church and see what happens. The patrick kerr in aghafad wasnt him as he died in 1878.


  • #63
    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,672 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    I don't know why you're so opposed to getting actual civil records. I'd never get a transcript from RootsIreland if I could get a real research copy cert. I just don't trust their transcripts!

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • #64
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    pinkypinky wrote: »
    I don't know why you're so opposed to getting actual civil records. I'd never get a transcript from RootsIreland if I could get a real research copy cert. I just don't trust their transcripts!

    Why would they lie?

    The reason is because you have to wait like two weeks and I couldn't be bothered waiting that long.


  • #65
    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,672 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    owenc wrote: »
    Why would they lie?

    The reason is because you have to wait like two weeks and I couldn't be bothered waiting that long.

    It's not that they're lying, it's just that I like to verify things for myself and I've seen too many errors on their site.

    You were willing to wait two years, based on how long this thread is running....:rolleyes:

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • #66
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    pinkypinky wrote: »
    It's not that they're lying, it's just that I like to verify things for myself and I've seen too many errors on their site.

    You were willing to wait two years, based on how long this thread is running....:rolleyes:

    Well i'm certain that the record is correct. And yes I did wait two years, its my life my ancestry.


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  • #67
    dido2
    Registered Users Posts: 447 ✭✭dido2


    The research certs are the only ones I'd trust too, I've seen a lot of errors too in my search, when you get anything other than the photocopied entry your relying on the person reading the record to read it right and sometimes they don't read it right..... Same with church records, I've got my grandmothers marriage & birth cert all together in the same document, fathers name listed as william, priest listed as william, but on viewing the actual register they were both Johns, it was the person issuing the cert that decided they were Williams....


  • #68
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    Well i'll be emailing the church anyway.


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