Galway man, 23, critical after assault in Northbridge, Perth

catbear · 29-01-2014 5:19am

Well you have to be aware of these things when living in Australia. An Australian colleague was recently attacked on the street because he was talking in German with a couple of backpackers! His attacker told him that there was only one language spoken in Australia and it was either speak it or get out. Obviously they had no appreciation of the many local languages present before the first prisoners disembarked.

I've personally been greeted on a few occasions with "we need more of your sort here, too many blacks."

Of course this is in West Australia where the incarceration rate of black Australians is reportedly eight times that of black South Africans in the last decade of Apartheid.

These are just things to be mindful of. There just seems to be a far greater potential of things descending into serious violence here than what people may be used to in Ireland.

NBTD · 29-01-2014 5:37am

Not sure how Facebook links work on here, but Ten Eyewitness News Perth have posted a police request for witnesses.

Please visit the Facebook page and share if any of your friends may have been in the area.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=825441784139653&set=a.498982696785565.132587.198087696875068&type=1&theater

jackbhoy · 29-01-2014 6:00am

catbear wrote: »

These are just things to be mindful of. There just seems to be a far greater potential of things descending into serious violence here than what people may be used to in Ireland.

Ah, the auld Emerald Isle where we all used to sit around making daisy chains, singing songs of love and embracing our fellow man.

I got knocked out by a "king/coward hit" to back of the head outside nightclub in Dublin, my attackers then tried to kick me on ground but a few guys stepped in and maybe saved my life.

I didn't hold the whole of Dublin responsible or this. I have had 100s of nights out in Dublin and never had an issue. I saw it for what it was, meeting the wrong cowardly knobhead, at the wrong time. The guys also happened to be Lithuanian, but I didn't hold that whole country responsible either. I can't abide the scaremongering that goes on here and in Ireland about violence.

Maybe look at something beyond your own limited experience, something like crime statistics between countries for example , and don't use one or two examples to paint the whole place as dangerous or racist.

catbear · 29-01-2014 6:13am

Who needs statistics Jackbhoy when you can just look at the Australian constitution sections 51 (xxvi) and 25

jackbhoy · 29-01-2014 6:18am

catbear wrote: »

Who needs statistics Jackbhoy when you can just look at the Australian constitution sections 51 (xxvi) and 25

How does that support an expectation of more violence here than in Ireland????

jank · 29-01-2014 6:27am

catbear wrote: »

Well you have to be aware of these things when living in Australia. An Australian colleague was recently attacked on the street because he was talking in German with a couple of backpackers! His attacker told him that there was only one language spoken in Australia and it was either speak it or get out. Obviously they had no appreciation of the many local languages present before the first prisoners disembarked.

I've personally been greeted on a few occasions with "we need more of your sort here, too many blacks."

Of course this is in West Australia where the incarceration rate of black Australians is reportedly eight times that of black South Africans in the last decade of Apartheid.

These are just things to be mindful of. There just seems to be a far greater potential of things descending into serious violence here than what people may be used to in Ireland.

It seems you have a bee in your bonnet all of a suden about race where nobody else brought it up but you. Since I have been living here longer than you I think I can look after myself from these roaming lynch mobs that are around most corners, waiting to attack unsuspecting foreginers and people with a dark tan. They would have a field day in Sydney where it is unusual in some parts to hear English but I suppose ancidotal evidence and random made up facts pass for debate now a days.

catbear · 29-01-2014 6:39am

Hey, Zambia posted two reasons for not going for post drink kabab, i added to it. Won't stop me from going to eurokabab in north bridge for curry chips, i haven't found better nearby.

And yes i do have a bee in my bonnet about racism but i don't think i'm alone in that.

mandrake04 · 29-01-2014 6:43am

catbear wrote: »

Of course this is in West Australia where the incarceration rate of black Australians is reportedly eight times that of black South Africans in the last decade of Apartheid.

The rate is amazingly high.

The highest ratio of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander to non-Indigenous imprisonment rates in Australia was in Western Australia (20 times higher for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander prisoners).

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Products/BD0021D329F0464FCA257B3C000DCCE0?opendocument

Indigenous do get a bad rap but not that different to how many Irish people perceive the members of the traveling community, some people in Ireland think it's a perfectly acceptable form of racism but would never consider themselves racist. Sort of makes me laugh.

I been here nearly 10 years and have never experienced any personal problems from anyone, I have been mistaken for being Scottish a few times but if that as bad as it gets then I will hardly worry about it.

As for Aussies being racist from what I hear its mostly words, haven't heard of any lynchings or turkey shoots. Its really someones opinion about someone else and I fail to understand why it bothers people on boards.ie so much when they are not so bothered about similar behavior of Travelers in Ireland.

If some Aussie wants to waste his time spouting racial sh!te then he is a pretty dumb c**t. Its probably not going to affect the money going in my pocket or what I do at the weekends.

There are more enjoyable things to do in Australia than worrying about what some idiots view on someone else, it didn't really bother me in Ireland and it doesn't really bother me in Australia.

**PS I am not a Traveler lover, but just pointing the Irony.

catbear · 29-01-2014 7:36am

All good points but it is important to note those racist parts of the australian constitution, that makes the matter institutional and gives any government of the day a mandate to discriminate along racial lines whereas in ireland a citizen can seek redress in the european courts. Only last week we've seen the irish government lose against an irish citizen who took the state to europe for abuse she suffered in a state school in the 70s.
Travellers have the same access to redress.

But in australia how can one defend their basic human right if they can be excluded by their own constitution because of their race?

Anyway we went off topic when reasons to avoid kabab shops were introduced.

jank · 29-01-2014 8:01am

Can you clarify by what you mean by the statement that you say the Australian constitution excludes certain races? How exactly are they excluded? Aborigines can go the courts and have their grievances aired, they won lots of land mark cases some years back in regards ownership of land.

catbear · 29-01-2014 9:14am

jank wrote: »

Can you clarify by what you mean by the statement that you say the Australian constitution excludes certain races? How exactly are they excluded? Aborigines can go the courts and have their grievances aired, they won lots of land mark cases some years back in regards ownership of land.

I provided links to the relevent sections of the constitution in an earlier post.

Zambia · 29-01-2014 9:25am

catbear wrote: »

I provided links to the relevent sections of the constitution in an earlier post.

Does Australia or any state in Australia exclude any person from voting or receiving any state benefit on the grounds of race?

Please provide an example if so.

rightyabe · 29-01-2014 9:47am

The thing I can't understand is if you go to most town/cities in Ireland that have nightclubs there is almost always a fight at throwing out time or people kicked out for fighting etc..

I only heard of a king hit a few times in Irish/uk media. There were a few cases on crimewatch uk if I remember correct. How come its such a big thing in Australia?

1. Is it that the media make it headline news in oz?
2. A increase of people doing MMA or just spending time working out thus making them more capable of a KO punch.
3. We're the fights in Ireland just drunken handbags? Cause I remember seeing a few bloodbaths in nightclubs before and never heard of anyone being killed of dying of it?

You can blame alcohol as a factor in some if not most of king hits I'm sure but being drunk doesn't give you super powers to KO people, although it would probably make the victim more unsteady on their feet..

I'd like to see facts on this crime in other countries and compare to see is this a Australian craze or just the australian media sensationalising it. Is it in proportion with other countries?

mandrake04 · 29-01-2014 10:05am

rightyabe wrote: »

The thing I can't understand is if you go to most town/cities in Ireland that have nightclubs there is almost always a fight at throwing out time or people kicked out for fighting etc..

I only heard of a king hit a few times in Irish/uk media. There were a few cases on crimewatch uk if I remember correct. How come its such a big thing in Australia?

1. Is it that the media make it headline news in oz?
2. A increase of people doing MMA or just spending time working out thus making them more capable of a KO punch.
3. We're the fights in Ireland just drunken handbags? Cause I remember seeing a few bloodbaths in nightclubs before and never heard of anyone being killed of dying of it?

You can blame alcohol as a factor in some if not most of king hits I'm sure but being drunk doesn't give you super powers to KO people, although it would probably make the victim more unsteady on their feet..

I'd like to see facts on this crime in other countries and compare to see is this a Australian craze or just the australian media sensationalising it. Is it in proportion with other countries?

It's not the punch that kills, but often the victim hits his head on the concrete that does the damage.

In the US it's called the knockout game & in UK it's referred to as Bombing or a bomb punch. You should try googling those or stick it into Youtube.

catbear · 29-01-2014 10:11am

Zambia wrote: »

Does Australia or any state in Australia exclude any person from voting or receiving any state benefit on the grounds of race?

Please provide an example if so.

The constitution reserves the right to exclude along racial grounds, in a post apartheid world the onus is on the state to explain why it has not removed it.

Again we're as off topic as reasons not to visit kababs shops.

jackbhoy · 29-01-2014 10:13am

rightyabe wrote: »

I'd like to see facts on this crime in other countries and compare to see is this a Australian craze or just the australian media sensationalising it. Is it in proportion with other countries?

I saw a stat recently that assaults were actually lower than in decades, just getting highly publicised. I'll try and dig out that piece.

The Aus media are shockers when it comes to themes and flavor of month reporting. We all know that assaults like happened to this poor guy are abhorrent, but they have been happening forever.

There are real issues like cost of living, disenfranchised young immigrants, aboriginal health/substance abuse/suicides but nobody will touch real issues as no political party has clean hands in history of these issues, and no clue how to do anything about them now. That's why we get crap about bikies, "sovereign borders" and stopping boats, as if a bunch of third world asylum seekers were an invading force.

Like with the bikies, you'll see lots of political grandstanding about new "king hit" laws. This is all nonsense, there are ample laws to deal with these offences, it's up to police and judiciary to use them as intended and take these roid rage cowards off the streets.

rightyabe · 29-01-2014 10:18am

Yeah mandrake04 I know it's the fall and hitting concrete that does the damage but concrete isn't just an Australian thing.

Zambia · 29-01-2014 10:23am

catbear wrote: »

The constitution reserves the right to exclude along racial grounds, in a post apartheid world the onus is on the state to explain why it has not removed it.

Again we're as off topic as reasons not to visit kababs shops.

Catbear you brought us here when your being asked the hard questions on your views it's a little late to cry "off topic"

The fact is no race is excluded, if anything aboriginals and Torres Strait islanders are given greater proctection than other Australians.

But if you don't want to see that , that's your issue.

Back on topic then

sawdoubters · 29-01-2014 10:28am

the worst place to go after the pub ,in Ireland Australia London is fast food place theres always fight breaking out

people show the worst side when drunk

mandrake04 · 29-01-2014 10:30am

Jackbhoy, I think Monash uni did a study and apparently there have been 90 deaths over the last 12 years attributed to King Hit.

It said Alcohol alone is to blame in the overwhelming majority of cases.

rightyabe · 29-01-2014 10:46am

mandrake04 wrote: »

Jackbhoy, I think Monash uni did a study and apparently there have been 90 deaths over the last 12 years attributed to King Hit.

It said Alcohol alone is to blame in the overwhelming majority of cases.

Good info. I personally feel its to easy to blame alcohol. I feel the core problem is egos and social status is a sense that these morons are going round as if there hard men looking for trouble in the knowledge they have the force to KO in one punch. Add alcohol to the mix and sense of reality is lowered, maybe to the level that they feel they will be seen as a hero in there social circle if they can KO a few fellas for a laugh and the hard man reputation that would follow.

It's well know that young males have a poor grasp of action leads to consequence..in the heat of the moment under the influence of alcohol and possibly drugs anything can happen.

mandrake04 · 29-01-2014 10:50am

Zambia wrote: »

Catbear you brought us here when your being asked the hard questions on your views it's a little late to cry "off topic"

The fact is no race is excluded, if anything aboriginals and Torres Strait islanders are given greater proctection than other Australians.

But if you don't want to see that , that's your issue.

Back on topic then

Zambia is correct, aboriginals and Torres Strait are given preference in public employment and public services. They are given extra benefit & family payments and grants and interest free loans for starting business etc.

My Irish friends wife has aboriginal heritage but not enough to qualify, he works with this Aussie guy who hates aboriginals and my mate always winds this guy up about how because he is married to her he gets the "Guilt money payments" and is saving it up for a pool.

Yer man cracks it when he hears that.

mandrake04 · 29-01-2014 10:56am

rightyabe wrote: »

Good info. I personally feel its to easy to blame alcohol. I feel the core problem is egos and social status is a sense that these morons are going round as if there hard men looking for trouble in the knowledge they have the force to KO in one punch. Add alcohol to the mix and sense of reality is lowered, maybe to the level that they feel they will be seen as a hero in there social circle if they can KO a few fellas for a laugh and the hard man reputation that would follow.

It's well know that young males have a poor grasp of action leads to consequence..in the heat of the moment under the influence of alcohol and possibly drugs anything can happen.

http://www.acats.com.au/blog/king-hits-kill-90-australians-mostly-drunk-young-men

jackbhoy · 29-01-2014 10:59am

This is not piece I read (don't usually read The Australian) but cites some of the stats I was talking about:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/sobering-statistics-suggest-ofarrell-may-have-overreacted-but-is-decidedly-on-to-a-winner/story-fn8qlm5e-1226809719417#

While the statistical evidence suggests alcohol-fuelled violence is on the decline, detailed polling obtained exclusively for this column shows the public believes it is on the rise.

So politicians are reacting to a perceived escalation in problems rather than an actual crisis.

According to the NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research, over the past five years assaults on licensed premises across the state have fallen by 7.2 per cent and off-premises the incidence has dropped 3.9 per cent. In the Kings Cross area over the same period, assaults in licensed premises have fallen while off-premises they have remained stable.

catbear · 29-01-2014 11:40am

Zambia wrote: »

Catbear you brought us here when your being asked the hard questions on your views it's a little late to cry "off topic"

The fact is no race is excluded, if anything aboriginals and Torres Strait islanders are given greater proctection than other Australians.

But if you don't want to see that , that's your issue.

Back on topic then

Start a new thread on that subject if you like, i'll join you there. We might even help your adversion to particular ethnic foods.

Zambia · 29-01-2014 12:38pm

catbear wrote: »

Start a new thread on that subject if you like, i'll join you there. We might even help your aversion to particular ethnic foods.

I have debated the whole "is Australia Racist" thing to death and no one ever changes their minds. So in the end what would be the point.

jank · 29-01-2014 12:42pm

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jackbhoy · 30-01-2014 2:37am

jackbhoy wrote: »

This is not piece I read (don't usually read The Australian) but cites some of the stats I was talking about:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/sobering-statistics-suggest-ofarrell-may-have-overreacted-but-is-decidedly-on-to-a-winner/story-fn8qlm5e-1226809719417#

Along the same lines:

Drunken street attacks are in focus, and decline, unlike domestic violence http://gu.com/p/3m4ah/tw via @guardian

TrueDub · 30-01-2014 11:17am

3 posts in this thread have been edited - either take it to PM or start a new thread in the appropriate forum. No more personal stuff.

This thread is on thin ice.

JONJO THE MISER · 30-01-2014 10:39pm

What is it with Australia, not a day goes by without us hearing about more Irish people getting beat up, they have a big problem there with there aggressive and macho culture.
Ive lived in America and Canada and i have never witnessed there the amount of aggressive behaviour that i saw when i was in Australia.

catbear · 01-09-2014 1:56pm

A man accused of killing a 23-year-old Irishman in a one-punch assault in Perth will claim self defence at his trial.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/24865622/one-punch-accused-to-plead-self-defence/

seachto7 · 01-09-2014 4:23pm

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

What is it with Australia, not a day goes by without us hearing about more Irish people getting beat up, they have a big problem there with there aggressive and macho culture.
Ive lived in America and Canada and i have never witnessed there the amount of aggressive behaviour that i saw when i was in Australia.

I would love to know how much drink is involved? You see it every week in Ireland, fellas brawling and fighting on the street or in pubs, langersed drunk.
I am not commenting on anyone who has been the victim of these assaults, nor the unfortunates who have lost their lives.

catbear · 02-09-2014 6:24am

seachto7 wrote: »

I would love to know how much drink is involved? You see it every week in Ireland, fellas brawling and fighting on the street or in pubs, langersed drunk.
I am not commenting on anyone who has been the victim of these assaults, nor the unfortunates who have lost their lives.

I'll find the link later showing Australia consumes more alcohol per head than Ireland. There is definitely a more machismo attitude around drinking in Australia.

Edit for link: http://online.wsj.com/articles/alcohol-which-country-drinks-the-most-1408705249

seachto7 · 02-09-2014 5:12pm

It would be interesting to see how many of these horrible incidents happen on weekdays during the day?

b_ferry · 07-09-2014 7:03am

seachto7 wrote: »

It would be interesting to see how many of these horrible incidents happen on weekdays during the day?

Probably none (from my recollection). And latest statistics are citing success with late lockout laws (where enforced).
However, there may be very occasional Road Rage threats during the day, although not as common as maybe a few years ago.
Unfortunately there is, failures in boys education, steroid use for body image, the Crystal Meth (Ice) epidemic (stated by NSW Police Chief), & probably the UFC influence. Along with a decrease in personal responsibility and respect. Risk comes from being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Mellor · 07-09-2014 8:05am

b_ferry wrote: »

Unfortunately there is, failures in boys education, steroid use for body image, the Crystal Meth (Ice) epidemic (stated by NSW Police Chief), & probably the UFC influence.

Failure in education? I don't think people need to education to know they shouldn't attack people. They're aware, they just don't care imo.

The link between steroids and aggression is over played by the media. It's exaggerates existing traits, it won't change people though. If somebody is acts like a dick on steroids, it's because they are a dick to begin with.

I've no idea how you think the UFC has anything to do with it. That's the kind of crap is expect from gutter tabloid articles tbh.

irishmover · 07-09-2014 9:28am

Mellor wrote: »

Failure in education? I don't think people need to education to know they shouldn't attack people. They're aware, they just don't care imo.

The link between steroids and aggression is over played by the media. It's exaggerates existing traits, it won't change people though. If somebody is acts like a dick on steroids, it's because they are a dick to begin with.

I've no idea how you think the UFC has anything to do with it. That's the kind of crap is expect from gutter tabloid articles tbh.

I think unless we've got very nailed on statistics which covers all the bases we aren't really going to know for sure what influences this.

I think what yourself and b_ferry said are both valid. Could be just that they're dicks and always have been or could be that they've had a poor upbringing, history of violence in family etc..

Zambia · 21-05-2015 3:43pm

Guilty of manslaughter

http://m.rte.ie/news/2015/0521/702675-thomas-keaney-perth/#media

Let's hope the sentence reflects the fact that this action took away everything this man was and everything he ever would be.

stickman1019 · 25-05-2015 4:11am

So sad RIP

Zambia · 20-07-2015 12:05pm

9 years , parole possible in 7.

Sundy · 21-07-2015 2:39am

Not exactly a deterrent. Sentencing for these type of crimes needs to be so high that it makes people think before they do something stupid.

Mellor · 21-07-2015 6:02am

Sundy wrote: »

Not exactly a deterrent. Sentencing for these type of crimes needs to be so high that it makes people think before they do something stupid.

There also needs to be a clear distinction between murder and manslaughter typical sentence ranges.

Galway man, 23, critical after assault in Northbridge, Perth

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