It's not April 1st is it?

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Billy86 wrote: »

And the wording of what they were asked.

Any friends I have had over from abroad wind up utterly shocked by our public transport - friendly service is typically commended (even if some bus drivers have a chip on their shoulder we're better than most there on average I find), but it's otherwise an absolute mess. In Sao Paulo, Brazil they had riots over their public transport (well overall corruption, but public transport was a central point of the protests), and I've had a few tell me Ireland's really is barely any better if at all.

Very few tourists use Dublin bus so I don’t get that.

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Very few tourists use Dublin bus so I don’t get that.

The Brazilians lived over here, and with Dublin being so geographically small compared to other cities I've known people to book anywhere from Dundrum to Crumlin to near the airport, figuring that public transport would only have them about 20 mins from their door to the city centre. If only they knew! :pac:

vectorvictor wrote: »

Pedantic much! If you feel 2.5 luas worth of pax is a good sample size over a year fair enough

Yeh, but I understand statistics. 400 is enough to sample the US election to +- 5%, if randomly selected.

That doesn’t mean there aren’t other problems with the methodology. I can think of one obvious one - the people who stop are probably not in a rush. So this maybe excludes rush hour passengers. Or anybody who is late.

These are the ones less likely to be happy.

vectorvictor wrote: »

Well then youve proved your point that your cleverer than the rest of the world and can sleep well with your ego intact.

I know. I am all aglow.

Stephen15 wrote: »

While DB may have it's flaws such as dwell times being the main one for me. For me anyway now this may be a case of geography and where I live but the services which are on my doorstep namely the 46a and the 145 I think they are excellent services fast than driving into town due to the QBCs and the buses are generally very frequent.

Funny enough when the post above yours showed the low number of people being polled per day I almost posted that they waited for people getting off the 46A or 145 in the afternoon, e.g. outside of rush hour.

"So how was your sub-90 second wait for the two routes that each seems to have more buses servicing them than the rest of the city combined? Satisfactory? Wonder, tick the green box Johno we've got another!!"

Since the 15B/74A/whatever starts only 2-3 stops before Nassau St I used to go there after work to wait for it (this was before the realtime stuff so knowing when it was set to leave helped a bit, in theory anyway) and I can't tell you how irrationally under my skin it got to see what felt like 6-8 of them pass if I were waiting for 20-30 minutes on my own. As if the DART, Luas and other routes weren't enough!

Billy86 wrote: »

Funny enough when the post above yours showed the low number of people being polled per day I almost posted that they waited for people getting off the 46A or 145 in the afternoon, e.g. outside of rush hour.

"So how was your sub-90 second wait for the two routes that each seems to have more buses servicing them than the rest of the city combined? Satisfactory? Wonder, tick the green box Johno we've got another!!"

Since the 15B/74A/whatever starts only 2-3 stops before Nassau St I used to go there after work to wait for it (this was before the realtime stuff so knowing when it was set to leave helped a bit, in theory anyway) and I can't tell you how irrationally under my skin it got to see what felt like 6-8 of them pass if I were waiting for 20-30 minutes on my own. As if the DART, Luas and other routes weren't enough!

But the truth is all DB routes should to the same standard as the 46a or the 145. If it were me it wouldn't get under my skin it would make me why aren't there as many 15s as 46as or 145s.

I recently used to 40 and the 140 when I was working out in Finglas and I found them to be good services too mind you. I also used the 83 also but this took a lot longer and was less frequent.

Stephen15 wrote: »

That's nonsense the 46a and the 145 are usually fairly busy even off peak. The 46a and the 145 also serve a completely different area to the DART and the Luas. Stop being jealous of other routes just because one or two bus route are very reliable and efficent doesn't we should cut them rather they should look at why some routes are more efficient reliable than others and look to replicate their efficiency on other routes. The 46a and 145 are usually packed at rush hour aswell.

The reason they are more efficient is that there are so bloody much of them at the expense of other routes, that's the point.

First, I have frequently seen the 46A and 145 half empty in the middle of rush hour (once the immediate 5-5.15pm rush is over), which likely has something to do with one coming every 4 minutes on average, and their routes being almost identical for the majority of their runs, the whole way from O'Connell Bridge to Cournelscourt they might as well be the same bus (see attachment). Four buses in a row come and you'll be on the fifth right around 20 minutes from arriving at the stop... probably less than the average wait between most other routes in the city even without any out of service or delays. And even that is only if you happen to not be on the Luas or DART line. For others not only is the Luas not necessarily an option, nor is the Dart necessarily one either, but rather than 20 minutes you can be waiting well over an hour easily.

Secondly, they each pass through where the Luas and DART do near the end of their runs. The Luas comes on average every 5 minutes of the day and on top of that the DART (which does run on a different route to the other three until the end but has the 7 and 7A every 15 mins to further accommodate it) itself runs every 10-15 minutes.

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Then there is the fact that this is compounded by inexplicably close numbers of bus stops on most routes (again, see attachment). My personal favourite one is by Rathfarnham village where I have counted exactly 11 seconds between the engine revving up to leave one bus stop, and the bus coming to a complete halt at the next... that's a problem on almost all routes that I've been on too, it's not unique to just one or two. It's a waste of fuel stopping/starting, it slows down the bus route a lot, and it slows down traffic around it which just further compounds the problem. To me that's the easiest fix of all that they simple don't seem to have been arsed making for whatever reason.