Seems like a good deal on coal....

Bebo stunnah · 08-11-2015 7:41pm

2forjoy wrote: »

none is going to be able to tell you what the above are , because different suppliers use the same name , so wats is in one bag may not be in another bag of same name .

example is this
kingcoal website says that clearflame is a mix of petcoke and ovids and mfsfuels website says that clearflame is petcoke made from oil residues .
dublinfuelcentre says that clearflame is a blend of large petcoke and hi-lite.

so who do you believe ?

So it's more than likely a mixed bag. Don't think I'll get some myself so... I was just wondering what they were as I thought they might have been some other type of coal. If their other bags of mixed stuff are anything like the stove coal I'll be steering clear. By any chance would anyone recommend one for open fires? From my own experience before I had a stove ovoids were a bit crap in the open fire.

odckdo · 08-11-2015 8:30pm

Bebo stunnah wrote:

By any chance would anyone recommend one for open fires? From my own experience before I had a stove ovoids were a bit crap in the open fire.

I use the Black Diamond Premium Polish which I find burns well in an open fire. When I read thru the thread the impression I got it was worth the extra 2 euro compared to the regular Polish.

Downsides: I think I might need an extra sweep, very large pieces of coal and largish cinders the next morning (to get over the latter I throw on a couple of logs or briquettes at end of night).

Last year my area went smokeless fully. Best smokeless I could get locally was Calco which is a mixture with some ovoids. Big drop in heat. The Black Diamond is way better than the Calco.

But me car the last 2 months had alot of soot which I never got before - the rain today cleaned it!

2forjoy · 09-11-2015 12:54am

No matter what you burn , its recommended that you get chimney cleaned yearly.

Some people think smokeless coal does not produce smoke , and others think that theres no need to sweep chimney if using smokeless coal

But neither is true and actually smokeless coal does produce less carbon emissions and is cleaner than bituminous coal .

but get your chimney cleaned regular anyway

reubenreuben · 09-11-2015 1:36pm

I have been burning coal and the smokeless ovoids in the stove since the delivery from coal warehouse.

The coal pieces are quite small and burn very easily with a lot of heat fairly quickly. Quite a lot of large bits left in stove in the morning. I have been re-using them however.

The ovoids take a while to get going, not much heat at the beginning but once they are glowing, the heat is incredible and lasts for hours. Just turn the airflow to minimum. Not much ash in the morning.

I have found after experimenting that putting the coal on first to get fire going then add a few ovoids. This seems to work well in my stove.

Considering I am saving including delivery almost 30% in the price of the coal and 20% in the ovoids(that is comparing to the cheapest place I can find in the republic, E15 for coal, E18.5 for ovoids), other places are much more expensive, I have no complaints.

17-11-2015 5:38pm

brian_gall85 wrote: »

Ovoids are the way to go for a stove. A bucket or two of them will keep your stove going all day and put out great heat. Smokey coal in a stove is a false economy and not good for the long-term health of your stove.

Is this true?
I've been burning ordinary coal the past winter.

Should I be using the ovoids instead?

my3cents · 17-11-2015 5:52pm

TheTorment wrote: »

Is this true?
I've been burning ordinary coal the past winter.

Should I be using the ovoids instead?

imo YES and I hope you have had your chimney swept since.

17-11-2015 5:59pm

Yes I have....it was filthy!!
I've just ordered coal now to split with a neighbour. I'll get the ovoids next time.

I thought id read that ovoids destroyed the grate due to the heat.

Thanks for the advice

my3cents · 17-11-2015 6:02pm

TheTorment wrote: »

Yes I have....it was filthy!!
I've just ordered coal now to split with a neighbour. I'll get the ovoids next time.

I thought id read that ovoids destroyed the grate due to the heat.

Thanks for the advice

Its anything that contains pet coke which is a petroleum by byproduct that does the damage. Pet coke is in mixes but not normally afaik in ovoids.

brian_gall85 · 17-11-2015 8:05pm

TheTorment wrote: »

Is this true?
I've been burning ordinary coal the past winter.

Should I be using the ovoids instead?

Yes it coats your stove and flue in suit as you've found. The smokeless will produce some suit but nothing near as much. The heat output is just as good as the smokey coal but burns far longer.

Bobeagleburger · 17-11-2015 8:17pm

brian_gall85 wrote: »

Yes it coats your stove and flue in suit as you've found. The smokeless will produce some suit but nothing near as much. The heat output is just as good as the smokey coal but burns far longer.

Suits you sir

brightkane · 22-11-2015 11:27pm

About to take the plunge and order for delivery. I came across a place in Longford selling a ton of blue bags of nuggets suitable for stoves for 359. Mcldirect they are called. Anyone use them or comment on the coal.? 3 of us are splitting the order in case they are sh1te but said in would check here first!

crabbypaddy · 23-11-2015 12:10am

What size / shape in the nugget. Could be lignite for all we know.

brightkane · 23-11-2015 12:18am

crabbypaddy wrote: »

What size / shape in the nugget. Could be lignite for all we know.

Will give them a shout tomorrow. What should I be asking ?

Kristopherus · 23-11-2015 12:23am

brightkane wrote: »

About to take the plunge and order for delivery. I came across a place in Longford selling a ton of blue bags of nuggets suitable for stoves for 359. Mcldirect they are called. Anyone use them or comment on the coal.? 3 of us are splitting the order in case they are sh1te but said in would check here first!

Are you sure they're in Longford? The only business of that name is this one in Newbridge:

http://www.mcldirect.com/SF-NUG-BLUE-1T-p/sf_nug_blue_1t.htm

I'm sure it not a coincidence that they are selling a tonne of smokeless lignite coal for €359. The big advantage with them is free delivery and it comes in 25kg bags, which is handy for handling.

2forjoy · 23-11-2015 12:27am

brightkane wrote: »

Will give them a shout tomorrow. What should I be asking ?

The only nugget I know has a U imprinted on them .. not exactly cheap at €14.36 for a 40kg bag especially if delivery is extra
dey burn quickly , spark and leave a lot of ash

macjohn · 23-11-2015 12:54am

Kristopherus wrote: »

Are you sure they're in Longford? The only business of that name is this one in Newbridge:

http://www.mcldirect.com/SF-NUG-BLUE-1T-p/sf_nug_blue_1t.htm

I'm sure it not a coincidence that they are selling a tonne of smokeless lignite coal for €359. The big advantage with them is free delivery and it comes in 25kg bags, which is handy for handling.

Bright lane - if it is this offer they are lignite/union nuggets or also known as brown coal. (If you want to do a quick google on brown coal) It is the lowest level of stuff that can be called coal and has a lot of ash but not great heat.

Might be ok if you were using it with really good quality timber but IMHO way too late in the season to be using such nuggets. Better off spending on the extra on ovoids/supertherm/cosyglo/ecobrite.
Union nuggets are grand for the first few lights of the season but are no way comparable to coal.

my3cents · 23-11-2015 1:09am

We burn Union Nuggets, very clean fuel easy to use and enough heat for us. The ash it produces is fine dust and easy to riddle.

crabbypaddy · 23-11-2015 2:50am

my3cents wrote: »

We burn Union Nuggets, very clean fuel easy to use and enough heat for us. The ash it produces is fine dust and easy to riddle.

Union nuggets approximately 20.7MJ/kg of energy (seai figures), a quality stove ovoid is around 33MJ/kg.

If its cheap enough and you don't mind filling an emptying 1.5 times as often thats fine but in my experience its always overpriced for what you get.

Simply put if a 40kg bag of stove coal is €18 then a 40kg bag of union nuggets is worth about €12.

brightkane · 23-11-2015 10:11am

Cheers for all the replies. Yeah it appears it lignite alright. Back to drawing board!

brightkane · 23-11-2015 11:04am

Might get a ton of ovoids from the coal warehouse then . 370 delivered

reubenreuben · 23-11-2015 12:48pm

brightkane wrote: »

Might get a ton of ovoids from the coal warehouse then . 370 delivered

I recommend them. They last for hours, little ash, great heat

brightkane · 23-11-2015 12:49pm

reubenreuben wrote: »

I recommend them. They last for hours, little ash, great heat

Cheers. Exactly what i needed to hear.

moonshadow · 23-11-2015 10:35pm

Got 5 bags of bnm cosyglo nuggets just north of the border for €67 which is about €7 per bag cheaper , just used a bucket, very good in the stove and decent value.

snubbleste · 16-12-2015 8:30pm

Tesco have BnaM briquettes 2 for €8.
If you buy 12 = €48 plus a paper with coupon + ___ =€50 - €10 coupon = €3.33 per bale

septicsac · 16-12-2015 8:57pm

http://king-coal.com/products-ireland/
I have been using ecobrites and stovoids on and off , but have to say the stovoids are beating the ecobrites hands down, they burn longer and are definitely produce more heat.
I also asked them for turf instead of the wood briquettes, no problem - all delivered and emptied into the bunkers, hard to beat the service.

tharmor · 30-12-2015 4:49pm

Folks just started using fireplace and have got BNM lignite nuggets for â‚¬10 for 20kg from woodies....is it available cheaper elsewhere ? also is it better or black diamond cosyglo which is available at â‚¬12 for 20kg...TIA...

_Tombstone_ · 30-12-2015 8:57pm

tharmor wrote: »

Folks just started using fireplace and have got BNM lignite nuggets for â‚¬10 for 20kg from woodies....is it available cheaper elsewhere ? also is it better or black diamond cosyglo which is available at â‚¬12 for 20kg...TIA...

Lignite is the lowest quality dirtiest sh1ttest type of coal their is I believe. The Germans were breaking records for renewals from Wind and Solar during the year but they have one of the dirtiest coal operations going over there with Lignite....so the other one.

Rock Paper Scissors · 30-12-2015 9:21pm

Over the last 2 years I have tried all types of coal in my Stanley stove.

It's tempting to fall for 40kg bags of "cheap coal" when you see them for (€10-€12)

What I would say is this....when it comes to buying coal, you defiinitely get what you pay for.

I've tried everything from cheap 40kg bags of union nuggets (€11) which were absolutely crap, to bags of Ecobrite (€19) which are superb.

I took a gamble last year and bought a tonne of ovoids from the coal warehouse.

I can't remember exactly but it worked out about €11 or €12 per 40 kg bag, because I bought a tonne.

They are absolutely fantastic. I'd go so far as to say they are as good, if not better, than the Ecobrite I had been buying locally for €19 per 40kg bag

I can't recommend this coal enough. A small bucket is enough to heat the house for 2 whole days, very little ash and SUPERB heat. I will continue to buy it by the tonne from the coal warehouse.

30-12-2015 9:40pm

Rock Paper Scissors wrote: »

Over the last 2 years I have tried all types of coal in my Stanley stove.

It's tempting to fall for 40kg bags of "cheap coal" when you see them for (€10-€12)

What I would say is this....when it comes to buying coal, you defiinitely get what you pay for.

I've tried everything from cheap 40kg bags of union nuggets (€11) which were absolutely crap, to bags of Ecobrite (€19) which are superb.

I took a gamble last year and bought a tonne of ovoids from the coal warehouse.

I can't remember exactly but it worked out about €11 or €12 per 40 kg bag, because I bought a tonne.

They are absolutely fantastic. I'd go so far as to say they are as good, if not better, than the Ecobrite I had been buying locally for €19 per 40kg bag

I can't recommend this coal enough. A small bucket is enough to heat the house for 2 whole days, very little ash and SUPERB heat. I will continue to buy it by the tonne from the coal warehouse.

I trust this coal would be ok to use in a boiler stove?

Bobeagleburger · 30-12-2015 9:42pm

Ovoids are excellent.

Especially mixed with black Diamond smokey coal

Rock Paper Scissors · 30-12-2015 9:42pm

TheTorment wrote: »

I trust this coal would be ok to use in a boiler stove?

Yes absolutely !

If you buy this coal you won't be disappointed

_Tombstone_ · 30-12-2015 9:44pm

TheTorment wrote: »

I trust this coal would be ok to use in a boiler stove?

As long as it has no pet coke in it, just watch out for that.

Rock Paper Scissors · 30-12-2015 9:44pm

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Ovoids are excellent.

Especially mixed with black Diamond smokey coal

I sometimes throw a shovel of master flame on top of my ovoids.

Rock Paper Scissors · 30-12-2015 9:45pm

_Tombstone_ wrote: »

As long as it has no pet coke in it, just watch out for that.

Exactly right ! There's no pet coke in these ovoids tho

30-12-2015 9:47pm

_Tombstone_ wrote: »

As long as it has no pet coke in it, just watch out for that.

How does one know if there is pet coke in it?

Bebo stunnah · 30-12-2015 9:49pm

Rock Paper Scissors wrote: »

I can't remember exactly but it worked out about €11 or €12 per 40 kg bag, because I bought a tonne..

It's 12.80 per bag at the moment. factoring in the cost of delivery of a tonne it works out ~15 per bag. Saving around 100 euro.

Rock Paper Scissors · 30-12-2015 9:51pm

Bebo stunnah wrote: »

It's 12.80 per bag at the moment. factoring in the cost of delivery of a tonne it works out ~15 per bag. Saving around 100 euro.

Thanks for that, still not a bad saving.

_Tombstone_ · 30-12-2015 10:26pm

TheTorment wrote: »

How does one know if there is pet coke in it?

Yea, good question. Look for contents/spec on a proper website or the bag, the sellers generally don't know/care.

If in doubt leave it out.

my3cents · 30-12-2015 10:37pm

_Tombstone_ wrote: »

Lignite is the lowest quality dirtiest sh1ttest type of coal their is I believe. The Germans were breaking records for renewals from Wind and Solar during the year but they have one of the dirtiest coal operations going over there with Lignite....so the other one.

We use Union Nuggets (lignite) all the time, I'll agree about the heat output but its the cleanest fuel we have ever used.

tharmor · 30-12-2015 10:54pm

_Tombstone_ wrote:

Lignite is the lowest quality dirtiest sh1ttest type of coal their is I believe. The Germans were breaking records for renewals from Wind and Solar during the year but they have one of the dirtiest coal operations going over there with Lignite....so the other one.

Even if its smokeless ? It says smokeless and golden flame

!!

_Tombstone_ · 30-12-2015 11:02pm

tharmor wrote: »

Even if its smokeless ? It says smokeless and golden flame !!

http://www.takepart.com/article/2015/10/14/greenpeace-buy-power-plants

tharmor · 30-12-2015 11:07pm

_Tombstone_ wrote: »

http://www.takepart.com/article/2015/10/14/greenpeace-buy-power-plants

Appreciate that but its listed on BNM site...attaching picture...just want to ensure i am not using anything illegal...

Invincible · 31-12-2015 2:43am

tharmor wrote: »

Appreciate that but its listed on BNM site...attaching picture...just want to ensure i am not using anything illegal...

What offer are you getting on that stove fuel?

tharmor · 31-12-2015 8:35am

Invincible wrote:

What offer are you getting on that stove fuel?

Its 10 eur for 20kg bag...its for stove and open fire...i know its costly than buying in bulk...but I am a small open fire user....

reubenreuben · 31-12-2015 1:22pm

Rock Paper Scissors wrote: »

Over the last 2 years I have tried all types of coal in my Stanley stove.

It's tempting to fall for 40kg bags of "cheap coal" when you see them for (€10-€12)

What I would say is this....when it comes to buying coal, you defiinitely get what you pay for.

I've tried everything from cheap 40kg bags of union nuggets (€11) which were absolutely crap, to bags of Ecobrite (€19) which are superb.

I took a gamble last year and bought a tonne of ovoids from the coal warehouse.

I can't remember exactly but it worked out about €11 or €12 per 40 kg bag, because I bought a tonne.

They are absolutely fantastic. I'd go so far as to say they are as good, if not better, than the Ecobrite I had been buying locally for €19 per 40kg bag

I can't recommend this coal enough. A small bucket is enough to heat the house for 2 whole days, very little ash and SUPERB heat. I will continue to buy it by the tonne from the coal warehouse.

Yep agree. The ovoids are the best, last for ages and the heat is unreal

irishgeo · 31-12-2015 1:27pm

i buy supertherm but it seems to have a lot of ash lately. any other suggestions , i have a stove.

reubenreuben · 31-12-2015 4:28pm

irishgeo wrote: »

i buy supertherm but it seems to have a lot of ash lately. any other suggestions , i have a stove.

smokeless ovoids, very little ash

tharmor · 31-12-2015 6:13pm

Guys thr are some traditional fire logs in Lidl 10kg for 4 bucks....anyone ever used them ?

Bif · 31-12-2015 10:52pm

irishgeo wrote: »

i buy supertherm but it seems to have a lot of ash lately. any other suggestions , i have a stove.

Phurnacite.

2forjoy · 31-12-2015 11:55pm

reubenreuben wrote: »

smokeless ovoids, very little ash

All ovoids can look the same ,supertherm , ecobrite , phurnacite etc it all looks the same .

Ostrich eggs , duck eggs , chicken eggs .

Watch out though , cos the ingredients are different in them all . the only thing they have in common is that they are all smokeless ovoids. ( or so it says on the tin )

Seems like a good deal on coal....

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