Rob tourists at gunpoint & have your anonymity protected?

Hal3000 · 22-10-2019 9:40pm

I’ve said it here over and over again. Zero accountability in this country for crimes. I cringe for any tourists visiting Dublin city centre. What a drug infested hole.

StupidLikeAFox · 22-10-2019 9:42pm

I would rather 100 innocent men were beaten with hurls than one guilty man go free

Hal3000 · 22-10-2019 9:44pm

Suspended sentences all round. Hard up bringing very bright future ahead.., pathetic judiciary here.

stevek93 · 22-10-2019 9:47pm

If this is right we are up there with London

https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+Kingdom&country2=Ireland&city1=London&city2=Dublin&tracking=getDispatchComparison

The high horse brigade · 22-10-2019 9:52pm

stevek93 wrote: »

If this is right we are up there with London

https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+Kingdom&country2=Ireland&city1=London&city2=Dublin&tracking=getDispatchComparison

And London is the knife capital of the world

Atlantic Dawn · 22-10-2019 9:54pm

There needs to be a minimum of 10 years sentencing in these cases whether it's the real deal gun or not.

The scrote had a cigarette in his left hand, chances of it being a real gun would be unlikely, however the person being threatened didn't know this and such a threat should be taken as attempted murder.

Kermit.de.frog · 22-10-2019 10:01pm

They were going to build Thornton Hall mega prison for the scrotes but the do gooders didn't want that. Now the judges are partially too lenient but also have no where to put them.

The perpetrators are the real victims here with society having failed them.

Sure wasn't there a program about the joy a few years back? - and very nice the cells where too IIRC. A home from home. Superior bed and breakfast.

Sure why not?

stevek93 · 22-10-2019 10:03pm

Imagine all the homeless children currently spending their childhood in hotels what issue is that going to cause in later life? I am deeply concerned to be honest.

irishgeo · 22-10-2019 10:06pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

It took ten minutes for the first unarmed Gardai to arrive

God help us if there is a terrorist attack in the city centre

The armed guards are all up at the scumbags houses protecting them from each other.

theguzman · 22-10-2019 10:15pm

stevek93 wrote: »

Imagine all the homeless children currently spending their childhood in hotels what issue is that going to cause in later life? I am deeply concerned to be honest.

Well the apple don't fall far from the tree, plenty houses in Leitrim, Donegal, Kerry and Roscommon etc, their parents or grandparents before them never worked and it is the same dole money they'd get in those counties. They just want to be near Johnno, Anto, Chardonnay and the boys, whilst doing a bit of robbin and get a free gaffe from the City Council. No self respecting or hard working person would subject themselves or children to homelessness when they have options, even emigration.

Kermit.de.frog · 22-10-2019 10:23pm

Most striking part of the video is how the assailants just casually walk off with not a care in the world.

They know garda are not showing up there.

One of the biggest garda stations in the country nearby too.

I think the local Garda Sargent and Commissioner Harris (I know he is relatively new) should be dragged in front of a committee to explain to us all why it took 10 minutes to respond to an armed daylight robbery (in the biggest tourist trap in the country!). I think it's time we got answers as to why law enforcement does not work in Dublin.

I'm in town most days and can't remember the last time I saw a garda, maybe a few weeks a go.

Yet, walk by Pearse street everyday and you see all the cars parked up.

What are they all doing if they're not out on patrol?

Even some visibility would be a big deterrent but we have pretty much no visibility.

Hal3000 · 22-10-2019 10:24pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

There needs to be a minimum of 10 years sentencing in these cases whether it's the real deal gun or not.

The scrote had a cigarette in his left hand, chances of it being a real gun would be unlikely, however the person being threatened didn't know this and such a threat should be taken as attempted murder.

Await all the response coming - we need to understand crime etc etc. Certain people here don’t want crime punished. I ask anyone here to try to defend our sentencing and judiciary. The criminals are now very aware of how much a joke it has become and hence they are not in the least bit scared of any real sentence.

Pinch Flat · 22-10-2019 10:25pm

Ah sure there’s probably a good reason. Dysfunctional family, dad a heroin addict or raised in some deprived area. Anyway they’ll be identified and sent for trail to add to their hundreds of convictions. Quick suspended sentence and whaddya know, they’re up to their scummy ways quicker than you can say “story bud”.

Kermit.de.frog · 22-10-2019 10:29pm

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Quick suspended sentence and whaddya know, they’re up to their scummy ways quicker than you can say “story bud”.

I attended a court session a couple of years back and I was fascinated by one scumbag brought before the judge on assault charges.

The judge didn't even lift his head to look at him. (I can only assume the guy was up before him many times)

Suspended sentence. Off he goes. Took seconds.

It's a revolving door and it's great for the solicitors as well.

STB. · 22-10-2019 10:41pm

That's about it Kermit. Serious re-evaluation of sentencing laws needs to be tackled as a priority by the Law Reform Commission. That and the latitude given to judges to let repeat and serial offenders off with suspended sentences.

The GDPR mantra is totally waffle. GDPR must be the most misunderstood piece of legislation. The reason there is blurring is to avoid a situation whereby the court case is not tainted by trial by media. The Gardai already know who these junkbags are.

Any programme featured on crimecall etc are prefaced by saying "they are persons of interest" or people the AGS would like to "talk to", but again this is only in cases whereby perpetrators are not easily identifiable or already known to AGS..

nthclare · 22-10-2019 10:46pm

Same old story, plead guilty or just get representation 10 minutes work with a barrister 600 euro's in the barristers pocket...

600 Euros out of the tax coffers

Del.Monte · 22-10-2019 11:05pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

There needs to be a minimum of 10 years sentencing in these cases whether it's the real deal gun or not.

The scrote had a cigarette in his left hand, chances of it being a real gun would be unlikely, however the person being threatened didn't know this and such a threat should be taken as attempted murder.

10 years breaking rocks in a chain gang if I had my way. :mad:

Kermit.de.frog · 22-10-2019 11:15pm

I guess these tourists have learned a hard lesson and won't be back

In most civilised cities you can go to the top tourist spot and, while you may be ripped off, you will be perfectly safe and feel safe.

Not here.

Seathrun66 · 22-10-2019 11:23pm

stevek93 wrote: »

If this is right we are up there with London

https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+Kingdom&country2=Ireland&city1=London&city2=Dublin&tracking=getDispatchComparison

That's a site for perception of crime or fear of crime. Not actual crime.

listermint · 22-10-2019 11:24pm

The high horse brigade wrote: »

It's still bound by GDPR

It's not though.

It I'm on a public street and someone takes a photo of me using their camera. I have no rights under gdpr to go after the original. It's public.

Where did you learn your gdpr training because it's not accurate.

There's an awful lot of misinformation about gdpr. It's inception and what it's purpose is.

Atlantic Dawn · 22-10-2019 11:29pm

listermint wrote: »

It's not though.

It I'm on a public street and someone takes a photo of me using their camera. I have no rights under gdpr to go after the original. It's public.

Where did you learn your gdpr training because it's not accurate.

There's an awful lot of misinformation about gdpr. It's inception and what it's purpose is.

It's just such a pity the original person who recorded it doesn't just release it in to the public domain.

The high horse brigade · 22-10-2019 11:40pm

listermint wrote: »

It's not though.

It I'm on a public street and someone takes a photo of me using their camera. I have no rights under gdpr to go after the original. It's public.

Where did you learn your gdpr training because it's not accurate.

There's an awful lot of misinformation about gdpr. It's inception and what it's purpose is.

Yes I have studied GDPR, I'm working in the industry. It does not matter that the camera is public. The controllers of personal data must put in place appropriate technical and organizational measures to implement data protection principles.

https://www.dataprotection.ie/en/guidance-landing/video-recording

23-10-2019 12:26am

The high horse brigade wrote: »

Yes I have studied GDPR, I'm working in the industry. It does not matter that the camera is public. The controllers of personal data must put in place appropriate technical and organizational measures to implement data protection principles.

https://www.dataprotection.ie/en/guidance-landing/video-recording

That's such a load of codswallop, whatever you were studying, chuck the lot in the bin.

Following that logic, Rte are breaking the law by recording and broadcasting the news every night.

They are capturing the identity of the newsreader (personal information) and displaying to the public, i.e. not controlling it.

The high horse brigade · 23-10-2019 12:30am

salonfire wrote: »

That's such a load of codswallop, whatever you were studying, chuck the lot in the bin.

Following that logic, Rte are breaking the law by recording and broadcasting the news every night.

They are capturing the identity of the newsreader (personal information) and displaying to the public, i.e. not controlling it.

I suggest you read the link I posted to the data protection commissioner website. Here it is again

https://www.dataprotection.ie/en/guidance-landing/video-recording

23-10-2019 12:44am

The high horse brigade wrote: »

I suggest you read the link I posted to the data protection commissioner website. Here it is again

https://www.dataprotection.ie/en/guidance-landing/video-recording

I wouldn't pay a bit of heed to that nonsense. According to that Rte should have been stopped long ago.

TallGlass2 · 23-10-2019 12:49am

Let's analyse Irish justice in this situation. Assuming GDPR is that there faces should be blurred out.

Said scummer gets nicked, brought to court, suspended sentence and let walk away, no fine, no nothing. Armed robbery.

Takes a case against the media company A for posting his image online. Media company A is dragged over the hot coals, scummer gets 50k for his troubles.

That's Irish justice at the moment. AKA, on the side of the scumbag, because they keep the judges and co in a job.

Justice in Ireland is a joke shop.

The high horse brigade · 23-10-2019 1:01am

salonfire wrote: »

I wouldn't pay a bit of heed to that nonsense. According to that Rte should have been stopped long ago.

I do actually agree with you, GDPR is a complete mess

worded · 23-10-2019 1:09am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Most striking part of the video is how the assailants just casually walk off with not a care in the world.

They know garda are not showing up there.

One of the biggest garda stations in the country nearby too.

I think the local Garda Sargent and Commissioner Harris (I know he is relatively new) should be dragged in front of a committee to explain to us all why it took 10 minutes to respond to an armed daylight robbery (in the biggest tourist trap in the country!). I think it's time we got answers as to why law enforcement does not work in Dublin.

I'm in town most days and can't remember the last time I saw a garda, maybe a few weeks a go.

Yet, walk by Pearse street everyday and you see all the cars parked up.

What are they all doing if they're not out on patrol?

Even some visibility would be a big deterrent but we have pretty much no visibility.

More motor bike police probably needed. You cant move around the city a whole lot in a car, particularly in heavy traffic

https://www.123rf.com/photo_83577774_amsterdam-august-5-2017-police-motor-offices-protecting-visitors-of-the-2017-canal-parade-on-the-pri.html

NasserShammaz · 23-10-2019 7:40am

This is the reason that these cockroaches think they can do what they like

https://www.thejournal.ie/man-who-punched-girlfriend-get-suspended-sentence-4863154-Oct2019/

****ING ***** LIKE MARTIN NOLAN AND THE REST OF THEM ...

no consequences for anything in this ****hole

Ulysses Gaze · 23-10-2019 8:39am

NasserShammaz wrote: »

This is the reason that these cockroaches think they can do what they like

https://www.thejournal.ie/man-who-punched-girlfriend-get-suspended-sentence-4863154-Oct2019/

****ING ***** LIKE MARTIN NOLAN AND THE REST OF THEM ...

no consequences for anything in this ****hole

There needs to be a way of removing judges like Nolan from the bench. He seems to have an issue with jailing Paedophiles and domestic abusers.

Either that or we just end Judicial discretion full stop.

suicide_circus · 23-10-2019 8:51am

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

It took ten minutes for the first unarmed Gardai to arrive

God help us if there is a terrorist attack in the city centre

we dont have a police force in the traditional sense. Sir Robert Peel set up the Metropolitan Police in 1829 to patrol the streets of London to PREVENT crime. The role of the police now is to REACT (slowly) once a crime has already occurred. This is a fundamental shift which has happened in Ireland and the UK since the 60s. A Garda cant un-mug you or un-stab you but if they were walking the streets consistently they would be a major deterrent. Look what has happened in London since Mayor Sidiq Khan told the police to cease stopping and searching youths; crime has blossomed.

Hal3000 · 23-10-2019 9:45am

suicide_circus wrote: »

we dont have a police force in the traditional sense. Sir Robert Peel set up the Metropolitan Police in 1829 to patrol the streets of London to PREVENT crime. The role of the police now is to REACT (slowly) once a crime has already occurred. This is a fundamental shift which has happened in Ireland and the UK since the 60s. A Garda cant un-mug you or un-stab you but if they were walking the streets consistently they would be a major deterrent. Look what has happened in London since Mayor Sidiq Khan told the police to cease stopping and searching youths; crime has blossomed.

Completely agree. A crime occurs, you ring them they come so times they don’t. I know someone who was recently mugged on Parnell St, they rang the Gardaí and was told they would respond when they could. They got a call 1hour later asking them where they still at the scene ???? A Gardaí close by on the beat could have sorted this in 20 minutes. How can Drew Harris not see this ?

Skyfloater · 23-10-2019 11:37am

I was in a store in Dundrum recently which sold airsoft guns, and was surprised at how realistic they look. If they could only be sold in bright neon colours with AIRSOFT written on the barrel, that would help.

manbitesdog · 23-10-2019 11:44am

Skyfloater wrote: »

I was in a store in Dundrum recently which sold airsoft guns, and was surprised at how realistic they look. If they could only be sold in bright neon colours with AIRSOFT written on the barrel, that would help.

Then people would scratch off Airsoft and paint them to look like real guns, if they intended to use them to rob people.

It’s a pretty safe assumption that some random skanger robbing a handbag in Dublin is not wielding a genuine gun.

mlem123 · 23-10-2019 12:09pm

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Yep. Innocent until proven guilty, even if they're blatantly guilty.

It's a shame people falsely accused of sexual crimes don't get the same protection.

Are you always looking to slide such an unnecessary comparison in?

People accused with sexual crimes remain anonymous until conviction in this country.

When it comes to sex crimes I'm sure the number of unreported attacks far exceed and is a more serious issue than false claims.

runawaybishop · 23-10-2019 1:01pm

The high horse brigade wrote: »

Yes I have studied GDPR, I'm working in the industry. It does not matter that the camera is public. The controllers of personal data must put in place appropriate technical and organizational measures to implement data protection principles.

https://www.dataprotection.ie/en/guidance-landing/video-recording

I hope that course isn't expensive, you'll need to study GDPR some more. From your own link:

This exemption states that the GDPR does not apply to processing of data (such as recording video) by an individual “in the course of a purely personal or household activity”.

Taking pics of people in public doesn't mean you are a data controller and you are exempt from GDPR. There are several categories of activities that are exempt, law enforcement being one and the press is another.

The images are blurred in this instance so as to not prejudice a case.

Keyzer · 23-10-2019 1:42pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

The images are blurred in this instance so as to not prejudice a case.

There you go folks, there's the answer...

*Thread Closed*

marieholmfan · 23-10-2019 2:06pm

TallGlass2 wrote: »

That's Irish justice at the moment. AKA, on the side of the scumbag, because they keep the judges and co in a job.

Justice in Ireland is a joke shop.

The junkie is the one paying for the judge's house in cap d'antibes and the senior counsel's house in chamonix.

NasserShammaz · 23-10-2019 6:52pm

Any chance any arrests have been made or am I f#@king deluding myself.....

Ulysses Gaze · 23-10-2019 7:07pm

NasserShammaz wrote: »

This is the reason that these cockroaches think they can do what they like

https://www.thejournal.ie/man-who-punched-girlfriend-get-suspended-sentence-4863154-Oct2019/

****ING ***** LIKE MARTIN NOLAN AND THE REST OF THEM ...

no consequences for anything in this ****hole

And just today NS?

Suspended Sentence Nolan strikes again.

901 images and 146 videos of child pornography were discovered on a computer and an external hard drive. The majority of the videos showed girls ranging from under the age of 15 and as young as two years old engaged in sexual activity.

Enough for a custodial sentence? Not under Nolan's watch.

Judge Nolan said the mitigating factors in the case were Guerin’s guilty plea, his co-operation with gardahis immediate admissions, his good work history and his lack of previous convictions.

He said he could accept that Guerin had been shamed by the situation and it had caused marital disharmony. He said Guerin was “a well-known man” and was being “publicly shamed”.

Judge Nolan said unfortunately for society and the court cases such as this come before the court “with some frequency”. He said a psychological report before the court stated it was unlikely Guerin would offend in this manner again and it “seems unjust” to imprison him.

Joke of a country....

https://www.thejournal.ie/martin-guerin-child-pornography-4863973-Oct2019/#comments

MrMusician18 · 23-10-2019 7:09pm

The high horse brigade wrote: »

CCTV footage must blur the faces to comply with GDPR

Ah yes, that's why all the footage is blurred on crimecall.

:rolleyes:

boombang · 23-10-2019 9:38pm

marieholmfan wrote: »

The junkie is the one paying for the judge's house in cap d'antibes and the senior counsel's house in chamonix.

This sounds like an exaggeration, but I was having lunch in Smithfield a few years ago with a friend. He pointed out a smartly dressed man and described how he had made a lot of money from the tribunals, but his property investments did poorly in the recession. So much so, that the man was now seriously having to contemplate selling his chateau in France. My friend swore that was true.

Hal3000 · 23-10-2019 10:14pm

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

And just today NS?

Suspended Sentence Nolan strikes again.

Enough for a custodial sentence? Not under Nolan's watch.

Joke of a country....

https://www.thejournal.ie/martin-guerin-child-pornography-4863973-Oct2019/#comments

Don’t just comment here,Email T. Ds and Ministers. I emailed Katherine Zappone about changing laws for viewing child abuse material and Charlie Flanagan for violent offenders getting repeated suspended sentences. Tell them to raise the issue of sentencing in the Dáil. Can you imagine if 1000 people did that? They have to respond also.

glenfieldman · 23-10-2019 10:18pm

Keyzer wrote: »

There you go folks, there's the answer...

*Thread Closed*

That truck drivers name and address are all over the media. He still has to go to trial
So the law decideds who’s face should be blurred

NasserShammaz · 24-10-2019 9:04am

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

And just today NS?

Suspended Sentence Nolan strikes again.

Enough for a custodial sentence? Not under Nolan's watch.

Joke of a country....

https://www.thejournal.ie/martin-guerin-child-pornography-4863973-Oct2019/#comments

He does seem to have a soft spot for peados and wife beaters does mr nolan .

All the rest just live in Narnia, I believe on of them advised a fellas that the correct approach to deal with a gang of feral scum was to reason with them .....

Give me f#$kin strenght

Irish Guitarist · 24-10-2019 10:24am

I like how the story names the witnesses as well as describing where they were when this happened. Great idea to let armed robbers know the people who informed on them.

NasserShammaz · 24-10-2019 1:32pm

Bear in mind that the 2 f$#king cockroaches that did this are probably

1. Being housed by Dublin city council
2. Getting €188 a week while they look for a job....
3. Have a medical card
4. Get free travel.
5. Have never in their worthless fu#king lives contributed anything but have been a constant drain on resources and have 60/80/100 convictions...

And will get a fuc$king bonus at Christmas .

F$#k this dying country don't let your kids ever pay tax if even a penny is still going to maintain the f$#kin scum.

Kermit.de.frog · 24-10-2019 1:33pm

Any arrests?

Is it even possible, unless the gardai are trying to be incompetent, that neither of these scumbags have been picked up despite the clarity of the CCTV?

I think we have a right to know what our so called police are doing.

conorhal · 24-10-2019 3:45pm

Seathrun66 wrote: »

You just completely ignored my point on mistaken identity and the wrong people getting attacked. Pretty happy you've no role in the criminal justice system.

I put it to you that...

1) vigilante action is no less illegal then waving a gun in a tourists face in the street. Identifying a dangerous criminal at large in no way changes that fact, both actors should be subject to the law.

2) How many people are likely to be subject to vigilante justice based on mistaken identity Vs. the number of people likely to be robbed at gunpoint by a dangerous criminal that hasn't been identified because the public aren't allowed identify him to the police?

3) Your arguments are so reductio ad absurdum that they actually encourage people to take action outside the law since your attitude contributes so much to peoples complete lack of confidence in the justice system.

NasserShammaz · 24-10-2019 3:47pm

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/electrician-guilty-of-cowardly-unprovoked-one-punch-assault-on-teenager-receives-suspended-sentence-38627728.html

Let's play guess the judge , no peeking

Rob tourists at gunpoint & have your anonymity protected?

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