Woman who died after putting her head out of a moving train window

16-10-2019 5:59pm #1

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-50067073

The warning sign which stated "Caution: Do not lean out of the window while the train is moving" wasn't adequate enough because it wasn't in red, and the use of the word "caution" didn't convey the seriousness of possible injury?!?!

Jesus Christ!

Is it victim blaming to say that this young socialist was a gob****e if she didn't see there was any potentially fatal consequence to sticking your head out of a moving train?!

Mokuba · 16-10-2019 6:02pm

Sad that someone lost their life and all.

But how thick would you need to be to put your head out the window of a moving train. It's incredible really that they could blame the signage for someone's idiocy.

Profoundly Disturbed · 16-10-2019 6:10pm

Well what the **** did she think was going to happen?

mr_fegelien · 16-10-2019 6:11pm

A candidate for the 2019 Darwin Award.

Quantum Erasure · 16-10-2019 6:13pm

Profoundly Disturbed wrote: »

Well what the **** did she think was going to happen?

a good selfie?

my3cents · 16-10-2019 6:15pm

Used to do work on the trees on the railway embankments in the UK and that branch shouldn't have been there. So long ago I can't remember the spec we worked to but I think there had to be a minimum of a 2m gap between anything on the embankment and a train when it went past.

Sounds more like an issue with a cut back on maintenance costs?

Ironicname · 16-10-2019 6:16pm

my3cents wrote:

Sounds more like an issue with a cut back on maintenance costs?

It sounds more of a "don't stick your head out of the moving train window" issue than a maintenance one.

KathleenGrant · 16-10-2019 6:18pm

Extremely sad that someone died in this way but how can it be said that a sign saying "do not stick your head out the window of a moving train" is not strong enough.

SusieBlue · 16-10-2019 6:18pm

To be fair I don’t think her family was blaming the rail company for their death, it looks like the recommendations from the independent enquiry made them reconsider their safety signage, that’s all.

Either way, what an awful death.
I heard of a similar story where the person ended up decapitated so at least that didn’t happen, it would have been horrific for the other passengers and her family.

Bobblehats · 16-10-2019 6:19pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Is it victim blaming to say that this young socialist was a gob****e if she didn't see there was any potentially fatal consequence to sticking your head out of a moving train?!

So socialists look out of trains. It happens; unlucky. To have been a socialist

TiGeR KiNgS · 16-10-2019 6:20pm

Now if there was a dangerous swing on the train their would be questions to answer. Am I right Ms Bailey ?

Edgware · 16-10-2019 6:25pm

Bobblehats wrote: »

So socialists look out of trains. It happens; unlucky. To have been a socialist

A Socialist! Maybe looking for the Red Flag

Helluvakind · 16-10-2019 6:45pm

Plain stupid. But not much worse than the hordes of idiots who have their faces in their phones and step onto the road or luas

Jonybgud · 16-10-2019 7:08pm

Poor kid, we all do stupid stuff now and then. Very tragic that it was fatal for her. I'm sure her family are at a loss as to the senselessness of it all.

Taking a swipe at her actions now is just in poor taste and only serves to hurt those left who knew her.

Dravokivich · 16-10-2019 7:56pm

A couple of years ago a train enthusiast died after doing the same thing in the UK. Not everyone will heed the warnings, even if they know about the dangers.

Irish Guitarist · 16-10-2019 8:41pm

Investigators claimed the use of the word "caution" suggested that leaning out the window could be done safely if care was taken.

Who in their right mind would think that? I've never seen a caution sign and thought "it says caution and not danger so it must be safe".

I'm not making light of her death or anything but I seriously doubt different wording on the sign would have made a difference.

jaxxx · 16-10-2019 8:47pm

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

Who in their right mind would think that? I've never seen a caution sign and thought "it says caution and not danger so it must be safe".

I'm not making light of her death or anything but I seriously doubt different wording on the sign would have made a difference.

No amount of signage or any precautions can fully protect against supreme stupidity. My sympathies for her family, but none for her. Darwinism at its finest.

YFlyer · 16-10-2019 8:54pm

my3cents wrote: »

Used to do work on the trees on the railway embankments in the UK and that branch shouldn't have been there. So long ago I can't remember the spec we worked to but I think there had to be a minimum of a 2m gap between anything on the embankment and a train when it went past.

Sounds more like an issue with a cut back on maintenance costs?

I used to work on the permanent way. Often there be well less than 2 metres clearance such as between the train and the wall of a bridge or tunnel.

Amirani · 16-10-2019 8:54pm

jaxxx wrote: »

No amount of signage or any precautions can fully protect against supreme stupidity. My sympathies for her family, but none for her. Darwinism at its finest.

You can think she's stupid and all, but that sort of statement suggests a lack of empathy bordering on psychopathy.

suicide_circus · 16-10-2019 8:56pm

Amirani wrote: »

You can think she's stupid and all, but that sort of statement suggests a lack of empathy bordering on psychopathy.

rubbish

jaxxx · 16-10-2019 8:58pm

Amirani wrote: »

You can think she's stupid and all, but that sort of statement suggests a lack of empathy bordering on psychopathy.

suicide_circus wrote: »

rubbish

What SC said.

wakka12 · 16-10-2019 8:58pm

Sad that a young life was taken so needlessly and that she paid with her life for making a small mistake but nobody can be blamed for it other than herself

PennyWiseClown · 16-10-2019 9:16pm

Look at this f*cking idiot

lawred2 · 16-10-2019 9:21pm

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

Who in their right mind would think that? I've never seen a caution sign and thought "it says caution and not danger so it must be safe".

I'm not making light of her death or anything but I seriously doubt different wording on the sign would have made a difference.

Well that is kinda what is meant by caution...

https://www.google.com/search?q=caution+meaning&oq=caution+meaning&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l3.4678j1j7&client=ms-android-huawei-rev1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

Basically take care.

A clearer sign would be - don't stick your head out the window

Or even better like in most trains - windows that don't open to an extent that some unthinking misfortune can fit their head out.

Bob Gray · 16-10-2019 9:22pm

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Yhv-2clxlJ8

Irish Guitarist · 16-10-2019 10:04pm

lawred2 wrote: »

Well that is kinda what is meant by caution...

https://www.google.com/search?q=caution+meaning&oq=caution+meaning&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l3.4678j1j7&client=ms-android-huawei-rev1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

Basically take care.

A clearer sign would be - don't stick your head out the window

Or even better like in most trains - windows that don't open to an extent that some unthinking misfortune can fit their head out.

I've never seen 'Caution: Risk of Electric Shock' on a lamp post or something and and thought "that means they want me to be careful when opening it up and sticking my hand into it".

No intelligent adult should think that it's safe to stick their head out of the window of a moving train. The sign wasn't the problem.

Gael23 · 16-10-2019 10:06pm

Not a nice way to die

lawred2 · 16-10-2019 10:14pm

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

I've never seen 'Caution: Risk of Electric Shock' on a lamp post or something and and thought "that means they want me to be careful when opening it up and sticking my hand into it".

No intelligent adult should think that it's safe to stick their head out of the window of a moving train. The sign wasn't the problem.

You're engaging in puerile fallacies. And I've no idea why.

No caution sign is to be seen as encouraging anything.

Mrs OBumble · 16-10-2019 10:16pm

wakka12 wrote: »

Sad that a young life was taken so needlessly and that she paid with her life for making a small mistake but nobody can be blamed for it other than herself

If she was so cognitively challenged that she would do something like this, then I'm not sure she should have been outside the house without a support worker.

Her key worker should have some questions to answer.

listermint · 16-10-2019 10:21pm

You'd have to question why the trains window comes down far enough to put your head out of it.

Tree branches shouldn't be anywhere near close enough to the train on inter city lines.

It's pretty incredible that there was a tree that close to a train on a main line in the UK. The train company and maintenance are to blame here. Sign or no sign. If they are going to cut back on basic line maintenance like this then they should lock or limit the window openings.

Irish Guitarist · 16-10-2019 10:25pm

lawred2 wrote: »

You're engaging in puerile fallacies. And I've no idea why.

No caution sign is to be seen as encouraging anything.

I have no idea why you think a grown adult shouldn't be expected to understand what a caution sign means. Throwing in a couple of big words doesn't make your argument less ridiculous.

Sorry about that · 16-10-2019 10:34pm

Bethan made a stupid decision, which she paid for with her life. She didn't harm anyone else.
Leave her alone now.

um7y1h83ge06nx · 16-10-2019 10:38pm

Old enough at 28, impossible to understand some people's thoughts and actions.

Yer Da sells Avon · 16-10-2019 10:40pm

There are few things more unoriginal, unimaginative and unpleasant than smugly responding to a tragedy with a reference to 'Darwinism'.

Mysterypunter · 16-10-2019 10:43pm

It was a silly thing to do, blaming a lack of signs, is just as silly, tomorrow I think I will jump into the lion enclosure at the zoo to take a selfie, does anyone think that would be a good idea? Sad that the girl died, worse still that people are making fun of her, but at 28 you are not a child

Irish Guitarist · 16-10-2019 11:00pm

So the word 'caution' caused some misunderstanding. What's the excuse for not understanding the words 'Do not lean out of window when train is moving'?

lawred2 · 16-10-2019 11:05pm

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

I have no idea why you think a grown adult shouldn't be expected to understand what a caution sign means. Throwing in a couple of big words doesn't make your argument less ridiculous.

Again, responding with an argument to a point that nobody made.

Airyfairy12 · 16-10-2019 11:15pm

That is so sad, the poor girl, her family and the friends who watched her die. Young people think theyre invincible, they don't see the dangers.
RIP.

Your Face · 16-10-2019 11:29pm

Don't be silly OP, socialists can't read.

end of the road · 16-10-2019 11:44pm

listermint wrote: »

You'd have to question why the trains window comes down far enough to put your head out of it.

Tree branches shouldn't be anywhere near close enough to the train on inter city lines.

It's pretty incredible that there was a tree that close to a train on a main line in the UK. The train company and maintenance are to blame here. Sign or no sign. If they are going to cut back on basic line maintenance like this then they should lock or limit the window openings.

the window has to come down as one as to put their hand out and open the door from the outside at the station.

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

There are few things more unoriginal, unimaginative and unpleasant than smugly responding to a tragedy with a reference to 'Darwinism'.

fair point, but anyone with a quarter of a brain knows that you do not mess with the railway. the railway will always win.

thecornflake · 16-10-2019 11:53pm

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

That is so sad, the poor girl, her family and the friends who watched her die. Young people think theyre invincible, they don't see the dangers.
RIP.

More like they didn't see the cautions.

ToddyDoody · 17-10-2019 1:58am

That'd never happen in Ireland.

They dont trust us with windows in the first place. Probably make the trains uninsurable if they did have them.

Victor · 17-10-2019 2:07am

In the 19th century, 20,000 railway workers will killed or injured every year in the UK (then including Ireland). "Injured" was more likely to be broken limbs than cut fingers. The 'problem' was that minor transgressions of the rules, by someone, could have disproportionate effects on them or someone else. Things didn't improve until the railway companies were made responsible.

A safe system would mean a minor transgression won't result in serious harm. What happened in this case was a older train didn't have an up-to-date safety system in place.

Deleted User wrote: »

Is it victim blaming to say that this young socialist was a gob****e if she didn't see there was any potentially fatal consequence to sticking your head out of a moving train?!

Up to 10-15 years ago, there were quite a few Irish trains where you could stick your head out and many people did. I've heard of at least one case of someone dying.

17-10-2019 2:35am

Deleted User wrote: »

Is it victim blaming to say that this young socialist was a gob****e if she didn't see there was any potentially fatal consequence to sticking your head out of a moving train?!

WTF does that have to with anything?

17-10-2019 3:56am

Jesus imagine being behind her in the train. Sad story. People do stupid things without thinking properly and sometimes they die needlessly.

I've done similarly stupid things and had it gone wrong, would be nominated for a Darwin award.

Squeeonline · 17-10-2019 7:00am

To quote Taylor Swift "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes".

BeerWolf · 17-10-2019 7:22am

Era of Smartphones ironically increased idiocy of people.

"Inadequate" conveyance of risk... honestly... Do people need to be told not to breath while underwater to prevent drowning? That's the kind of logic being perceived here...

Keyzer · 17-10-2019 9:06am

BeerWolf wrote: »

Era of Smartphones ironically increased idiocy of people.

"Inadequate" conveyance of risk... honestly... Do people need to be told not to breath while underwater to prevent drowning? That's the kind of logic being perceived here...

Couldn't agree more.

Terribly sad for the girls family but its nobodys fault but hers - saddest part is she lost her life through an act of incredible stupidity.

Oasis1974 · 17-10-2019 12:39pm

Weird thought she was decapitated she got a slap off a branch and fell back in the carriage and died must be some money for the family since no cutting was done on the line since 2009.

ToddyDoody · 17-10-2019 12:49pm

Squeeonline wrote: »

To quote Taylor Swift "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes".

e.g. Taylor Swift merchandise.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 18-10-2019 12:50am

Distasteful thread.

Woman who died after putting her head out of a moving train window

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