October Brexit

TooOldBoots · 19-08-2019 10:18am #1

Lidl tells suppliers: you’ll pay for no‑deal Brexit,
this may be hard on the UK farmers but the reality is the same will be applied to Irish suppliers into the UK, an average of 35% tariff on dairy and beef.
It will hit hard if it happens

coolshannagh28 · 19-08-2019 10:37am

TooOldBoots wrote: »

Lidl tells suppliers: you’ll pay for no‑deal Brexit,
this may be hard on the UK farmers but the reality is the same will be applied to Irish suppliers into the UK, an average of 35% tariff on dairy and beef.
It will hit hard if it happens

IMO this is driving the price drop ; Processors need to go sub €3 per kg to remain viable.

alps · 19-08-2019 11:24am

TooOldBoots wrote: »

Lidl tells suppliers: you’ll pay for no‑deal Brexit,
this may be hard on the UK farmers but the reality is the same will be applied to Irish suppliers into the UK, an average of 35% tariff on dairy and beef.
It will hit hard if it happens

They have also told the British consumer that they will have to pay the price increase. They are putting the pressure out kn both sides, and could end up a right win win for them

kevthegaff · 19-08-2019 11:28am

Reckon there will be an election and then extension. A no deal really would throw everything up in the air

TooOldBoots · 19-08-2019 12:25pm

coolshannagh28 wrote: »

IMO this is driving the price drop ; Processors need to go sub €3 per kg to remain viable.

€3 per kg isn't viable for the producer. ffs we need €4 per kg to have any chance. At 3 you'd be better of letting the place grow wild and just collect the payments

coolshannagh28 · 19-08-2019 12:46pm

TooOldBoots wrote: »

€3 per kg isn't viable for the producer. ffs we need €4 per kg to have any chance. At 3 you'd be better of letting the place grow wild and just collect the payments

This seems to be govt policy , our Taoiseach is cutting down on beef ,this wasn't a slip of the tongue .

Siamsa Sessions · 19-08-2019 4:14pm

coolshannagh28 wrote: »

This seems to be govt policy , our Taoiseach is cutting down on beef ,this wasn't a slip of the tongue .

Tis bizarre that Irish beef farmers have been led down a path where they have to compete with Brazil in a race for who can be most efficient (i.e. cheapest).

Official policy via Harvest2025, FoodWise2020, etc. set out this race to the bottom of increasing production at all costs - quality, bio-security, environment/climate, all went out the window.

And now Ireland with its 21m acres is being forced to play against Brazil's 260m acres.

wrangler · 19-08-2019 5:01pm

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Tis bizarre that Irish beef farmers have been led down a path where they have to compete with Brazil in a race for who can be most efficient (i.e. cheapest).

Official policy via Harvest2025, FoodWise2020, etc. set out this race to the bottom of increasing production at all costs - quality, bio-security, environment/climate, all went out the window.

And now Ireland with its 21m acres is being forced to play against Brazil's 260m acres.

Very true, these talks today in Backweston is really just moving the deck chairs on the Titanic

Snowfire · 19-08-2019 5:09pm

coolshannagh28 wrote: »

This seems to be govt policy , our Taoiseach is cutting down on beef ,this wasn't a slip of the tongue .

Fantastic visionaries those lads, when they were drawing up the 2020 food harvest back in 2010.

lalababa · 20-08-2019 12:52am

I actually don't know why everybody s knickers in a twist?? According to an teagasc, the average profit/loss per acre for single suckler farming is -40euros and finishers at -20/acre before SFP. That was at 4euro/kg! Might as well sell up most of your stock until you're down to min stocking levels. You will be losing much less!

keepalive213 · 20-08-2019 2:24am

The tori's are full of imperialist hot air and have zero hope of coercing Europe into a favourable deal.
Europe has no choice but to make an example of the UK to stop the next mutineer jumping ship.
All flattery aside, Ireland is way down the list of priorities, ran by a Mod snip / clown coalition. Weak leaders, spread legged with tongue extended between both camps.
Fingers crossed a re-vote in the UK in early to mid 2020 and a remain vote, there is no other feasible solution.
Common sense would tell me Europe kinda expects this anyway but how common is common sense these days anyway.
The big loser is the UK but then again if you spend countless years invading countries then who's gonna feel sorry for you if you are invaded incognito.
I'm more of a gardener than a farmer but I'll be damned if after generations I'll be ousted by a shower of suited ****holes.

_Brian · 20-08-2019 10:04am

Their only hope is to oust Borris.

If he’s left in place he will absolutely drag them out. The initial actual cost and damage will be hidden with a series of financial measures to prop up their economy.

They will be able to cover up with quantitive easing or similar but in 3 years if their economy hasn’t kick started big trouble will hit.

Bass Reeves · 20-08-2019 12:09pm

If there is a Brexit the UK will suffer from either hyper inflation or have to take on a huge budget deficit. Sunday Times had the leaked Yellowhammer document last Sunday. it was worth a read. The UK needs a deal more than anyone else no matter what Boris says. it cannot survive a hard Brexit. If it Zero rates some imports (Beef and fuel) it wipes out these indigenous industries. Best case senario is that after 3-6 months of chaos it ports will operate at 80% of present capacity.

Bass Reeves · 20-08-2019 12:18pm

kevthegaff wrote: »

Reckon there will be an election and then extension. A no deal really would throw everything up in the air

An election would cause Brexit by default. Unless it was held before Brexit date and pariliment managed to meet before it ) October 31st. Unlikely to be a way out. UK MP's must vote out Boris, set up a caretaker government, get a two year extension. Then a general elections and/or hold a series of referendum's to sort the mess. But these referendums need to spell out exactly to the British people what they are actually voting for.

BIGT4464 · 20-08-2019 12:45pm

It shoul have been an open ended extension that time in Spring. Macron is to balme for this cliff edge as much as anyone. If it was open ended they the UK could flail about till the cows come home while remaining in the EU.

Bass Reeves · 20-08-2019 1:40pm

BIGT4464 wrote: »

It shoul have been an open ended extension that time in Spring. Macron is to balme for this cliff edge as much as anyone. If it was open ended they the UK could flail about till the cows come home while remaining in the EU.

The UK only wanted an extension until June it was the EU that made them accept an October deadline not only that if they look for another extension it will have to be a two year extension. UK wanted rolling 8 week cliff edges

toleratethis · 20-08-2019 2:02pm

BIGT4464 wrote: »

It shoul have been an open ended extension that time in Spring. Macron is to balme for this cliff edge as much as anyone. If it was open ended they the UK could flail about till the cows come home while remaining in the EU.

The UK should have been shown the door back in March. There's nothing new from them over the Summer and I think they'll have a GE before the October deadline, and on we go with another extension.

Being seen as the adult in the room, by granting an extension, hasn't done much for the EU. What the EU should be focusing on is it's own issues. A rolling nonsense of Brexit just distracts from that. Brexit is a nationalistic project fermented by some wealthy individuals in the UK to make them wealthier again. The public have been suckered and are too proud/embarrassed to think they did something foolish.

Regardless of what happens the EU will be painted as the bad guys in the UK. The only way for that country to sort itself out is to be left to it's own devices in the big bad world. The Dems in the US will block any trade deals which harm the GFA. Besides which Trumps policy is USA first, middle & last so there's no room for Doreen in Newcastle in that space.

Out with them and leave them to it.

patsy_mccabe · 20-08-2019 2:46pm

When I listen to all this Brexit stuff, I'm reminded of what Joe Brolly said recently : "Stupid, confident people are taking over the world".

Castlekeeper · 20-08-2019 4:01pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

When I listen to all this Brexit stuff, I'm reminded of what Joe Brolly said recently : "Stupid, confident people are taking over the world".

I've often observed that neck and guts, as traits, are inversely correlated. But the devent people with the guts have to keep the rubber necked grabbers in their place.
These toxic people take over if the they are left, from the u6s to the country.

kk.man · 20-08-2019 6:48pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

When I listen to all this Brexit stuff, I'm reminded of what Joe Brolly said recently : "Stupid, confident people are taking over the world".

Was never a fan of Brolly but I like that one. Trump and Boris are all talk and no substance politicians but they got voted in as did Brexit. It makes you think about society as a whole. Dangerous times.

I don't think it will happen on Oct 31st because the PM has no plan, no alternative hands if he did pull the plug pain would be felt immediately by the British people. It be curtains then for Johnson.

I think he will bring the whole thing to the cliff edge though why? Because he can.

_Brian · 20-08-2019 6:58pm

kk.man wrote: »

Was never a fan of Brolly but I like that one. Trump and Boris are all talk and no substance politicians but they got voted in as did Brexit. It makes you think about society as a whole. Dangerous times.

I don't think it will happen on Oct 31st because the PM has no plan, no alternative hands if he did pull the plug pain would be felt immediately by the British people. It be curtains then for Johnson.

I think he will bring the whole thing to the cliff edge though why? Because he can.

I know what you mean about technology.
We have more and more access to amazing technology that links us to information and knowledge like no other generation.

And yet the decisions being made are stupider and stupider year on year. I thought it was all at a peak with Brexit and Trump, but not to be outdone they put Borros in charge across the wee pond.

Hatred, ignorance and intolerance seem more and more to the front every time I see an article online like those poor Muslim girls being attacked in Dublin, that’s not the actions of a civilised population.

80sDiesel · 20-08-2019 7:34pm

There has to be brexit. If not, the EU bashing will just continue. Let them know what it is to be led by the right wing media and populism and then let them have a new ref in 5 years time being alot wiser.

Siamsa Sessions · 20-08-2019 9:11pm

Bertrand Russell talks about effort and resignation in “The Conquest of Happiness” and I’m looking at Brexit in this light.

Make an effort to change what you can in your own little world and resign yourself to the fact that there’s a lot of easily-led people out there and plenty greedy b*stards who will always take advantage of them

_Brian · 20-08-2019 10:31pm

There is some irony in the fact that the British begged to get into EU and we’re refused more than once.

To hear them you’d think they were forced to join up.

malinheader · 21-08-2019 6:37am

What did the British, Irish and European parliaments do before Brexit. What did the TV and radio news discuss before Brexit.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 21-08-2019 1:37pm

Boris has it all sorted, lads.

We leave the EU for a temporary union with the UK until a proper agreement can be organised.

Yeah, I can see that working alright...

https://www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-wants-ireland-form-new-union-uk-after-brexit-2019-8?r=US&IR=T

kk.man · 21-08-2019 3:05pm

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Boris has it all sorted, lads.

We leave the EU for a temporary union with the UK until a proper agreement can be organised.

Yeah, I can see that working alright...

https://www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-wants-ireland-form-new-union-uk-after-brexit-2019-8?r=US&IR=T

I fear for the world between him and Trump.

jntsnk · 21-08-2019 3:34pm

Where will Britain get its imported food if they suddenly crash out ?

older by the day · 21-08-2019 4:15pm

jntsnk wrote: »

Where will Britain get its imported food if they suddenly crash out ?

America and Russia who thru Facebook posts fooled the English in to voting for it. There's a good documentaries on how a load of racist posts appeared on people's news feeds and disappeared the day after the vote. They are all out to break up the EU

Say my name · 21-08-2019 5:52pm

kk.man wrote: »

I fear for the world between him and Trump.

Japan seems a nice place to farm.

kk.man · 21-08-2019 6:19pm

Say my name wrote: »

Japan seems a nice place to farm.

They give a good price for livestock anyway!

Say my name · 21-08-2019 6:42pm

kk.man wrote: »

They give a good price for livestock anyway!

An insular country, large population all working in industry, great infrastructure, has the safety appearance, no farm invasions, no Bord bia, a complete domestic market, not part of the EU, small farms can make a living, has a polite population, farms could be cheap as young don't want to do that work anymore, have great little kei trucks, women are fine, no brash leaders on Twitter, no putting down bull calves, have a great history of natural farming systems, great new gadgets invented every year, Pokemon stuff whatever that is, Godzilla, etc,etc.

Base price · 21-08-2019 6:58pm

Say my name wrote: »

An insular country, large population all working in industry, great infrastructure, has the safety appearance, no farm invasions, no Bord bia, a complete domestic market, not part of the EU, small farms can make a living, has a polite population, farms could be cheap as young don't want to do that work anymore, have great little kei trucks, women are fine, no brash leaders on Twitter, no putting down bull calves, have a great history of natural farming systems, great new gadgets invented every year, Pokemon stuff whatever that is, Godzilla, etc,etc.

Yeah and they have been actively hunting whales for years under the guise of scientific research :mad:

Say my name · 21-08-2019 7:03pm

Base price wrote: »

Yeah and they have been actively hunting whales for years under the guise of scientific research :mad:

Yeah well we unleashed Daniel O Donnell on the world! :mad:

Did I mention no Bord Bia?

Oh and great fish markets... and Kobe beef.

older by the day · 22-08-2019 1:05am

Say my name wrote: »

An insular country, large population all working in industry, great infrastructure, has the safety appearance, no farm invasions, no Bord bia, a complete domestic market, not part of the EU, small farms can make a living, has a polite population, farms could be cheap as young don't want to do that work anymore, have great little kei trucks, women are fine, no brash leaders on Twitter, no putting down bull calves, have a great history of natural farming systems, great new gadgets invented every year, Pokemon stuff whatever that is, Godzilla, etc,etc.

Was that the place that has earthquakes and tsunamis and a leaking nuclear reactor. All them places are fine till u,d be living there. You said the women are fine, I don't know, not my type,

Mad_maxx · 22-08-2019 9:20am

Say my name wrote: »

An insular country, large population all working in industry, great infrastructure, has the safety appearance, no farm invasions, no Bord bia, a complete domestic market, not part of the EU, small farms can make a living, has a polite population, farms could be cheap as young don't want to do that work anymore, have great little kei trucks, women are fine, no brash leaders on Twitter, no putting down bull calves, have a great history of natural farming systems, great new gadgets invented every year, Pokemon stuff whatever that is, Godzilla, etc,etc.

Great country but no more than 3% of the population are foreign born and those are high demand workers, not a country which wants immigrants, they are not looking for pale Caucasian farmers from the Midlands

More chance of starting fresh on the moon or landing a native woman

Say my name · 04-09-2019 7:17pm

Tings is getting out of hand in Brexitland!!

https://twitter.com/Alex_Negueruela/status/1169265030287810561?s=20

148multi · 04-09-2019 7:22pm

kk.man wrote: »

I fear for the world between him and Trump.

I'd fear for him between the world and trump

Buford T. Justice XIX · 05-09-2019 12:00am

https://twitter.com/davidschneider/status/1169374533134032896?s=19

toleratethis · 05-09-2019 12:08am

Some action on the angry isle today. If ye haven't seen them try to find Nicholas Soames, Ken Clarkes cut at Johnson. Soames in particular just find it ðŸ˜€

I don't believe there'll be a Brexit in October.

_Brian · 05-09-2019 3:53am

It’s hilarious watching their ongoing implosion.

Seems they will be coming asking for an extension to article 50, I’ve read that Macron in particular isn’t very keen on this.
Will Borris in fact not really push for an extension and drag the U.K. out in October anyway. It’s what he wants. You’d think to hear them that an extension was guaranteed when in fact all 26 other eu nations must agree.

For example Leo could stick his heels in the sand and only concede when they agree to the backstop remaining in place as part of their exit strategy, deal or no deal.

If anyone had told a younger me that I’d be live streaming the U.K. commons and finding it great comedic entertainment I wouldn’t have believed them at all.

Siamsa Sessions · 05-09-2019 11:00am

Brexit is like cocaine to politicians and media - both in the UK and in Ireland.

They're getting a high from it, can't stop talking over each other, and don't want the party to end because the inevitable come-down will then follow.

It's also nice academic distraction project for them, away from the hospitals, homelessness, and other boring stuff they have to deal with everyday.

This is the big issue - it's in their interest to keep dragging the thing out and they're under no real pressure to conclude it.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 05-09-2019 1:34pm

toleratethis wrote: »

Some action on the angry isle today. If ye haven't seen them try to find Nicholas Soames, Ken Clarkes cut at Johnson. Soames in particular just find it &#55357;&#56832;

I don't believe there'll be a Brexit in October.

Is this the Soames one?

Buford T. Justice XIX · 05-09-2019 3:29pm

And for fans of The Life of Brian:D
https://twitter.com/muirtwit/status/1169288792429252609?s=19

toleratethis · 05-09-2019 3:54pm

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

toleratethis wrote: »

Some action on the angry isle today. If ye haven't seen them try to find Nicholas Soames, Ken Clarkes cut at Johnson. Soames in particular just find it ��

I don't believe there'll be a Brexit in October.

Is this the Soames one?

It's a longer version but yeah that has the good bits ðŸ‘

148multi · 05-09-2019 4:51pm

toleratethis wrote: »

It's a longer version but yeah that has the good bits ðŸ‘

It's truly ironic that Boris said he wants the UK out of the eu because of over regulation and eu laws, but the fixed term parliament act prevents him from calling an election,(an UK law) but had he been a PM of a country like Ireland he would have his election and an be an EU citizen too ðŸ‡®ðŸ‡ª

toleratethis · 05-09-2019 9:02pm

148multi wrote: »

toleratethis wrote: »

It's a longer version but yeah that has the good bits ðŸ‘

It's truly ironic that Boris said he wants the UK out of the eu because of over regulation and eu laws, but the fixed term parliament act prevents him from calling an election,(an UK law) but had he been a PM of a country like Ireland he would have his election and an be an EU citizen too ðŸ‡®ðŸ‡ª

I keep hearing the core reason for brexit is protecting offshore money, the EU are bringing in some law or other that would affect it. Most of the rest, kippers, straight bananas, immigration are just flat out lies and incompetence at home.

Ubbquittious · 07-09-2019 12:22am

I don't think the Brexit will go ahead now. They have arsed around too much at this stage and people are sick of it. They lost their chance to leave when Theresa buckled to the DUP. Hopefully the crowd that get in after the impending election will start to sweep up the mess

Buford T. Justice XIX · 20-09-2019 8:12pm

This Twitter thread is worth reading in full.
https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1175099581589327873?s=19

whelan2 · 20-09-2019 9:14pm

That's what oh was told today too. He has been drawing potatoes up north all week. Normally wouldn't be bringing them until November

Buford T. Justice XIX · 20-09-2019 10:55pm

At a meeting here tonight, Conor Mulvihill of Dairy Industry Ireland gave a presentation on the effects of Brexit on Irish farming. Dairy will survive at lower margins but beef will be destroyed. 56% of beef goes to the UK. Dairy is diversified especially lately with new cheese plants being developed.

October Brexit

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