Dogs being stolen

silver2020 · 04-08-2020 9:11am

Will people stop believing the rubbish on social media or the tabloid rags that every summer look for some bullsh1t to scare people with.

Usually its a cancer scare story - 2 slices of ham and you'll be dead in a month, or burnt toast will give u=you cancer, or the best one, eating hamburgers will cause deadly cancer (daily mail 2013 - to get a level of carcinogens from burgers you would need to eat 2kg (16 1/4lb burgers) a day for about 50 years - you'd be dead from obesity many ,amy years before that, but still did not prevent the daily muck spout such sh1te)

Its the same EVERY summer when there is nothing for the foolish 2nd rate journalist to write about and usually starts with some eejit on Facebook.

So stop believing the chalk marking, cable ties, ribbon BULLSH1T
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/colored-stickers-target-homes-dog-owners/
https://www.aap.com.au/dog-theft-marker-or-myth-what-a-pet-tag-around-a-fence-means/

anewme · 04-08-2020 3:21pm

I hope you are ok.

I really hope you notified the Gardai.

If there are Community Pages for that area - I would notify them as well.

A woman walking on her own with their dog might not have been so lucky.

Common tactic is that the kids distract and call the dog over and then they have it while the guy is talking to you or the householder where they have called to.

Do not let your dogs out of your sight.Do not leave them in the garden or your van on their own.

If you look at what happened yesterday to the GSD 7 month old pup yesterday in Wexford, it would upset you.

RickDeckard · 04-08-2020 3:28pm

anewme wrote: »

I hope you are ok.

I really hope you notified the Gardai.

If there are Community Pages for that area - I would notify them as well.

A woman walking on her own with their dog might not have been so lucky.

Common tactic is that the kids distract and call the dog over and then they have it while the guy is talking to you or the householder where they have called to.

Do not let your dogs out of your sight.Do not leave them in the garden or your van on their own.

If you look at what happened yesterday to the GSD 7 month old pup yesterday in Wexford, it would upset you.

Thanks. I think you nailed the tactics in play here. I have not reported this to the Garda, but I think I will. In the days following this I had to put my other 11 year old Lurcher down, so my head is a total , total mess right now. Writing that down on boards and reading it has made me think that I should make a report and just get a record of this happening.
Why should we all be so powerless in the face of this, I'm bloody upset , but will give the cops a call shortly when my head is better.

anewme · 04-08-2020 3:37pm

Very sorry to hear about your Lurcher. You should definitely file a report with as much detail as possible. It might save some other person the heartache of their pet stolen by these thugs.. I would also urge you to report it to a Community Page so that a warning can be given to people walking on the beach.

scilover · 04-08-2020 4:58pm

frillyleaf wrote: »

What is with all the dogs being stolen at them moment? Why are so many suddenly going missing?

these incidents maybe occur due to the pandemic situation.

BnB · 04-08-2020 5:30pm

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

........ farmyards and pounds full of them for free or an adoption fee... .

They are not.... and that is what I believe is the root of the problem.

There aren't a fraction of the amount of litters of pups being born now that there were 10 or 20 years ago. I think to some extent the animal welfare message of people getting their dogs neutered has actually nearly now been a victim of it's own success.

I have been keeping my eye out for a pup for the last 7 or 8 months and I haven't got even a sniff of anything. I am living out the country and know a lot of people in the area and put the word out that I am looking for a pup if anyone has a litter. I also scoured Donedeal dairly for a few months hoping I could find someone genuine who just has a litter of pups from a family dog, but it's very hard to find and believe that with the amount of traders up there. And anything that looks remotely genuine is snapped up in a matter of minutes.

RE the pounds, they have very little as well. Particularly of pups (I want to get a pup so that s/he can grow up with young kids)

The prices on DD are shocking. I regularly see fashionable breeds like golden retrievers advertised for up to 2k and they would be all sold often in less than a day. But right now, if you really want a pup for your family, it is almost the only place you will get one.

Hellrazer · 04-08-2020 5:33pm

I've deleted posts about certain ethnic minorities.
Any more and I'm issuing bans.

muddypaws · 04-08-2020 5:42pm

anewme wrote: »

If you look at what happened yesterday to the GSD 7 month old pup yesterday in Wexford, it would upset you.

What happened?

katiek102010 · 04-08-2020 5:54pm

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Does anyone have an answer for this?

Yes, boards, adverts and done deal are sister companies

RickDeckard · 04-08-2020 6:21pm

Hellrazer wrote: »

I've deleted posts about certain ethnic minorities.
Any more and I'm issuing bans.

So you deleted my post, which is 100% true and accurate and happened to me directly, which I am about to file with the Garda.
Because we cannot talk about reality anymore.
I have no hate in my heart for any group. But reality is reality.

Modding like this is a metaphor for the entire issue.

Hellrazer · 04-08-2020 6:27pm

RickDeckard wrote: »

So you deleted my post, which is 100% true and accurate and happened to me directly, which I am about to file with the Garda.
Because we cannot talk about reality anymore.
I have no hate in my heart for any group. But reality is reality.

Modding like this is a metaphor for the entire issue.

Your post was racist towards the ethnic group in question. That's why I removed it. If you wish to question mod decisions then take it to pms.
Please don't argue a mod decision on thread.

RickDeckard · 04-08-2020 7:04pm

Hellrazer wrote: »

Your post was racist towards the ethnic group in question. That's why I removed it. If you wish to question mod decisions then take it to pms.
Please don't argue a mod decision on thread.

Lol, you deleted my last comment also.

2020 is an absurd clown world. People try to steal my dog, and Im a racist. God bring me back to the 90's.

Now Ill accept my banning proudly

Cherry Blossom · 04-08-2020 7:08pm

RickDeckard take a week ban from the forum for arguing with a mod onthread. If you post in this thread when your ban is up I will make it permanent .

Banana Republic. · 05-08-2020 9:36am

Now I wonder what community live in that part of the world? No arrests made is a joke too, surely the dogs weren’t wondering the streets.

DesperateDan · 05-08-2020 9:56am

silver2020 wrote: »

So stop believing the chalk marking, cable ties, ribbon BULLSH1T

You think it's just kids? I live near a very small village and we've got local pictures of chalk on fences in the next village which I do think is nonsense (it's been raining constantly). But my next door neighbour who owns 2 lovely golden retrievers had a cable tie put on his fence yesterday.

Kids don't really use FB, and I think someone would have spotted a teen putting a cable tie on this fence the way the house is positioned right in the center of the village, so my feeling is it was done in the middle of the night, which seems like a lot of effort for a very low return prank.

anewme · 05-08-2020 10:06am

Update from Gardai

Gardaí have seized 10 dogs that are believed to be stolen following a search in Rathkeale, Co. Limerick on August 1, 2020.

Through initial enquiries, Gardaí have since reunited 1 of the dogs, a Cavalier King Charles, with its owner but Gardaí are now appealing to help trace the owners of the other 9 dogs.

No arrests have been made but Gardaí are following a definite line of enquiry and expect to progress the investigation in the near future.

Mav11 · 05-08-2020 10:47am

anewme wrote: »

Update from Gardai

Gardaí have seized 10 dogs that are believed to be stolen following a search in Rathkeale, Co. Limerick on August 1, 2020.

Through initial enquiries, Gardaí have since reunited 1 of the dogs, a Cavalier King Charles, with its owner but Gardaí are now appealing to help trace the owners of the other 9 dogs.

No arrests have been made but Gardaí are following a definite line of enquiry and expect to progress the investigation in the near future.

Rathkeale, that's a surprise.

un5byh7sqpd2x0 · 05-08-2020 10:51am

Mav11 wrote: »

Rathkeale, that's a surprise.

Careful, you’ll get your post deleted for pointing out the bleeding obvious.

BnB · 05-08-2020 10:51am

anewme wrote: »

Update from Gardai

Gardaí have seized 10 dogs that are believed to be stolen following a search in Rathkeale, Co. Limerick on August 1, 2020.

Through initial enquiries, Gardaí have since reunited 1 of the dogs, a Cavalier King Charles, with its owner but Gardaí are now appealing to help trace the owners of the other 9 dogs.

No arrests have been made but Gardaí are following a definite line of enquiry and expect to progress the investigation in the near future.

That is great news. I was looking for a dog for a good few months and I was checking Donedeal daily (gave up eventually). I had a saved search that looked for any dogs in Clare / Limerick / Tipp / Galway .

Almost every single day, a new ad would pop up in the Rathkeale area. Almost always, a span new DD account with a phone number that wasn't used before. Location would be Newcastlewest, Adare, Ballingarry, Athea, Abbeyfeale (although very rarely Rathkeale). Same style of writing, same grammar mistakes.

In terms of quantity, from looking at Clare/Limerick/Tipp/Galway at least 1 in every 3 ads that came up were from this pocket of Co Limerick. There is no doubt that the vast majority of those were from the same person or at the very least the same family/organisation. I hope the News above is the beginning of the end for them.

whisky_galore · 05-08-2020 10:52am

DesperateDan wrote: »

You think it's just kids? I live near a very small village and we've got local pictures of chalk on fences in the next village which I do think is nonsense (it's been raining constantly). But my next door neighbour who owns 2 lovely golden retrievers had a cable tie put on his fence yesterday.

Kids don't really use FB, and I think someone would have spotted a teen putting a cable tie on this fence the way the house is positioned right in the center of the village, so my feeling is it was done in the middle of the night, which seems like a lot of effort for a very low return prank.

Curiously, no one seems to have spotted anyone putting this particular cable tie up, why would a teen be spotted yet no one else??

silver2020 · 05-08-2020 12:26pm

DesperateDan wrote: »

You think it's just kids? I live near a very small village and we've got local pictures of chalk on fences in the next village which I do think is nonsense (it's been raining constantly). But my next door neighbour who owns 2 lovely golden retrievers had a cable tie put on his fence yesterday.

Kids don't really use FB, and I think someone would have spotted a teen putting a cable tie on this fence the way the house is positioned right in the center of the village, so my feeling is it was done in the middle of the night, which seems like a lot of effort for a very low return prank.

FB is not the only social media outlet out there.

Think very basic logic -

1. How would you see a cable tie in the middle of the night.

2. A cable tie woudl eb failr y obvious to a home owner in the daytime - doh, they'll remove it.

3. Chalk marking wash away very quickly

4. The same utter sh1te hysterical nonsense has been going around for YEARS, and all over the world (the names change) yet not one single verified case.

5. Its bullsh1t. Pure utter scaremongering bullsh1t

Have read of these and you'll see how such rubbish has been doing the rounds for years and years.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/colored-stickers-target-homes-dog-owners/
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/grab-and-go-code-chalkers/
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sticker-shock/

DellyBelly · 05-08-2020 12:33pm

Mav11 wrote: »

Rathkeale, that's a surprise.

Isn't it just. Pavee point staying very quiet..

tk123 · 05-08-2020 12:41pm

All I know is that if I see something dodgy or something was to happen to me or my dogs my first port of call would be the guards - not posting on FB or posting here instead. Like post after by all means but it kind of helps to report a crime /potential crime as soon as it happens.. not hold out until Dublin Live /your local county equivalent sees your post on FB and picks it up for their latest click bait.

whisky_galore · 05-08-2020 1:05pm

silver2020 wrote: »

FB is not the only social media outlet out there.

Think very basic logic -

1. How would you see a cable tie in the middle of the night.

2. A cable tie woudl eb failr y obvious to a home owner in the daytime - doh, they'll remove it.

3. Chalk marking wash away very quickly

4. The same utter sh1te hysterical nonsense has been going around for YEARS, and all over the world (the names change) yet not one single verified case.

5. Its bullsh1t. Pure utter scaremongering bullsh1t

Have read of these and you'll see how such rubbish has been doing the rounds for years and years.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/colored-stickers-target-homes-dog-owners/
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/grab-and-go-code-chalkers/
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sticker-shock/

Ah but but my wife's best friends aunts cousin twice removed saw it on the Bookface. Must be true.

DesperateDan · 05-08-2020 1:13pm

silver2020 wrote: »

5. Its bullsh1t. Pure utter scaremongering bullsh1t

I get it, but it still doesn't explain who put a cable tie there and why. It's not a funny prank unless you have special needs.

Banana Republic. · 05-08-2020 1:17pm

DellyBelly wrote: »

Isn't it just. Pavee point staying very quiet..

Their silence is always deafening.

Tilikum17 · 05-08-2020 1:24pm

BnB wrote: »

They are not.... and that is what I believe is the root of the problem.

There aren't a fraction of the amount of litters of pups being born now that there were 10 or 20 years ago. I think to some extent the animal welfare message of people getting their dogs neutered has actually nearly now been a victim of it's own success.

I have been keeping my eye out for a pup for the last 7 or 8 months and I haven't got even a sniff of anything. I am living out the country and know a lot of people in the area and put the word out that I am looking for a pup if anyone has a litter. I also scoured Donedeal dairly for a few months hoping I could find someone genuine who just has a litter of pups from a family dog, but it's very hard to find and believe that with the amount of traders up there. And anything that looks remotely genuine is snapped up in a matter of minutes.

RE the pounds, they have very little as well. Particularly of pups (I want to get a pup so that s/he can grow up with young kids)

The prices on DD are shocking. I regularly see fashionable breeds like golden retrievers advertised for up to 2k and they would be all sold often in less than a day. But right now, if you really want a pup for your family, it is almost the only place you will get one.

Have you gone to a rescue/filled out an online adoption form?

Cherry Blossom · 05-08-2020 5:05pm

DesperateDan wrote: »

I get it, but it still doesn't explain who put a cable tie there and why. It's not a funny prank unless you have special needs.

Red-Carded, this post is deeply offensive to people with special needs. The posting quality in this thread in general leaves a lot to be desired. Unless a lot of people clean up their posting style, I foresee this thread being closed soon.

spurious · 05-08-2020 5:21pm

I contacted DoneDeal and asked if, in the light of recent events, they might consider stopping the sale/offering of live animals on their site.

I won't post their reply here, but the main points were :

They are taking it seriously and have had many internal discussions.
To the best of their knowledge these pets are not being sold on DoneDeal.
They are reviewing the whole dog section
They are committed to Animal Welfare and work closely with the Department of Agriculture, IPAAG and the ISPCA.
They do not believe that closing the animal section on DoneDeal is the solution.
They are working on ways to identify rogue sellers.
Any advertisement flagged to them is fully investigated and removed when they have reason for suspicion.
These are also flagged with the ISPCA for further investigation.

I don't doubt they are sincere in their attempts to stop it and I am well aware if the avenue of DoneDeal is closed, the types involved will just go elsewhere, but anything that makes it more difficult for them to shift stolen dogs is to be applauded I think.

Perhaps if DoneDeal had a number of similar contacts they may not just file it under cranky oul' one.

Their contact page: https://hello.donedeal.ie/hc/en-us/requests/new

StackSteevens · 05-08-2020 5:51pm

spurious wrote: »

[*]To the best of their knowledge these pets are not being sold on DoneDeal.

Whatever about their other points, this one seems highly debatable.

silver2020 · 05-08-2020 6:02pm

I wouldn't have an issue with ads on done deal, but they should have strong verification for those offering dogs.

eg. Passport & verified proof of address which would need to be verified and stamped by a local garda station. Then a "verified seller" badge could be added. If they are a breeder, then their credentials should be uploaded.

Quite easy to do and would give peace of mind.

The problem if you ban the adverts on donedeal is it just moves elsewhere.

katiek102010 · 05-08-2020 6:17pm

silver2020 wrote: »

I wouldn't have an issue with ads on done deal, but they should have strong verification for those offering dogs.

eg. Passport & verified proof of address which would need to be verified and stamped by a local garda station. Then a "verified seller" badge could be added. If they are a breeder, then their credentials should be uploaded.

Quite easy to do and would give peace of mind.

The problem if you ban the adverts on donedeal is it just moves elsewhere.

They could look into a way to sync their microchip database to the recognised companies so the minute the chip number is input it will verify

JP Liz V1 · 05-08-2020 9:40pm

I hope all united with their owners and the thieves prosecuted

Hellrazer · 06-08-2020 10:50am

DellyBelly wrote: »

Isn't it just. Pavee point staying very quiet..

Banana Republic. wrote: »

Their silence is always deafening.

Mav11 wrote: »

Rathkeale, that's a surprise.

Melvin Lemon Jugular wrote: »

Careful, you’ll get your post deleted for pointing out the bleeding obvious.

For all of the above.
Racial slurring of any ethnic group is not allowed anywhere on boards..Not just here in the pets forum. As mods we have to keep things in check

If it continues I'm locking this thread and issuing further bans.

Dubl07 · 07-08-2020 9:33am

Hellrazer, is there no distinguishing between slurring and fair comment? If an individual has experienced something illegal, violent or suspicious at the hands of any ethnic community which specialises in such activity, are law-abiding citizens not entitled to name that community in order to warn fellow law-abiding citizens? Also, sometimes we simply need to vent a few of our frustrations at the seeming political power of any ethnic minority who cause calculated damage to the greater part of society and excuse it as part of their ethnicity.

Genuine question based on personal experiences.

tk123 · 07-08-2020 12:55pm

DoneDeal announcement - dog section is suspended : https://blog.donedeal.ie/2020/08/advertisement-of-dogs-on-donedeal/

Ms2011 · 07-08-2020 2:09pm

I was checking to see if Gumtree still has its dog section up (which it does) and noticed a German Shepherd on it which looked familiar for sale in Rosscommon, he looked familiar because I saw him up for adoption on Adverts. Poor thing was 'adopted' on Adverts yesterday and up for €500 on Gumtree today:(

PCros · 07-08-2020 3:08pm

The whole cable tie thing - why exactly are they appearing on peoples wheelie bins though? Appears to be only on the brown bin too.

I have one but its been on for ages and I just noticed it due to FB.

Zapperzy · 07-08-2020 3:15pm

Ms2011 wrote: »

I was checking to see if Gumtree still has its dog section up (which it does) and noticed a German Shepherd on it which looked familiar for sale in Rosscommon, he looked familiar because I saw him up for adoption on Adverts. Poor thing was 'adopted' on Adverts yesterday and up for €500 on Gumtree today:(

You see the same usernames requesting dogs for adoption on adverts the whole time

afkasurfjunkie · 07-08-2020 3:24pm

tk123 wrote: »

DoneDeal announcement - dog section is suspended : https://blog.donedeal.ie/2020/08/advertisement-of-dogs-on-donedeal/

Great news. I’ve been reporting ads on that for the last few days now.

daheff · 07-08-2020 8:49pm

tk123 wrote: »

DoneDeal announcement - dog section is suspended : https://blog.donedeal.ie/2020/08/advertisement-of-dogs-on-donedeal/

And already ads moved to the next site...dogs.ie

Golden retrievers now @2100...which were 1900 last week.

Banning sales on websites isn't the answer. Regulating sales is how to do it.

Hellrazer · 08-08-2020 10:39am

Dubl07 wrote: »

Hellrazer, is there no distinguishing between slurring and fair comment? If an individual has experienced something illegal, violent or suspicious at the hands of any ethnic community which specialises in such activity, are law-abiding citizens not entitled to name that community in order to warn fellow law-abiding citizens? Also, sometimes we simply need to vent a few of our frustrations at the seeming political power of any ethnic minority who cause calculated damage to the greater part of society and excuse it as part of their ethnicity.

Genuine question based on personal experiences.

Ill try answer this as best I can. There's a fine line between racial slurring and providing information to the public regarding who is stealing these dogs.
That information can be conveyed without stooping to the level that some posters used.

I may have been a bit harsh but this thread earlier on had lists of vans and vehicle regs that could have been an honest person's work van. Curtain twitchers and FB warriors regularly do this in my area. Last time it was a builder I had doing work for me was reported to the local FB group.

So feel free to pass information along but please don't resort to racially unacceptable comments.

Hellrazer · 08-08-2020 10:40am

Zapperzy wrote: »

You see the same usernames requesting dogs for adoption on adverts the whole time

And Ive seen it since adverts allowed animal adoptions. Blue in the face reporting it.

The Unbearables · 08-08-2020 10:44am

afkasurfjunkie wrote: »

Great news. I’ve been reporting ads on that for the last few days now.

Been reporting it for years.

StackSteevens · 11-08-2020 8:11pm

More dogs rescued - in appalling circumstances.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40030955.html

As well as being unwelcome, speculation isn't really necessary in this case.

cocker5 · 11-08-2020 9:41pm

OMG - topsy and turvey are together again ..

Topsy has been returned - honest to god this news has made my week ðŸ˜»

anewme · 11-08-2020 10:29pm

cocker5 wrote: »

OMG - topsy and turvey are together again ..

Topsy has been returned - honest to god this news has made my week ðŸ˜»

How fantastic is that.

The campaign to get her home was brilliantly done whoever was behind it.

Dubl07 · 11-08-2020 11:16pm

anewme wrote: »

How fantastic is that.

The campaign to get her home was brilliantly done whoever was behind it.

Her owners had been contacted a number of times regarding a ransom. They knew where she was and who had her according to the info I've gleaned. They've been threatening to name and shame for a while and other people have suggested other solutions.

I'm so glad that all the accumulated pressure has paid off, but the culprits still seem to have got off without penalties. For now.

Purple Mountain · 11-08-2020 11:17pm

I hadn't heard of Topsy and Turvey before.
Can someone give me a brief outline?
Delighted there's a happy ending for the owners.

anewme · 11-08-2020 11:35pm

Dubl07 wrote: »

Her owners had been contacted a number of times regarding a ransom. They knew where she was and who had her according to the info I've gleaned. They've been threatening to name and shame for a while and other people have suggested other solutions.

I'm so glad that all the accumulated pressure has paid off, but the culprits still seem to have got off without penalties. For now.

They played a blinder. Yes it's clear they knew who had her and how to draw them out. I hope it leads to bigger things.

Delighted for them to have her home.

Almost 40,000 ppl have liked the reunited post, so it shows the reach. I wonder if they have a go fund me? I'd like to donate.

Dogs being stolen

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