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Gemma not taking enforced retirement too well

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  • #2502
    SoundsRight
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 408 ✭✭SoundsRight


    Overheal wrote: »
    ”harmless”

    https://www.irishpost.com/news/young-muslim-girls-kicked-egged-dublin-gang-allegedly-pulled-hijabs-off-170319

    Yes, burning an item of clothing harms no-one.

    The 'assault' looks like any other egging by little scamps in Dublin, there was no evidence of any religious element to it. This is the most tolerant country in the world for Muslims. Maybe a little too tolerant.


  • #2503
    cookie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    SoundsRight wrote: »
    Yes, burning an item of clothing harms no-one.

    The 'assault' looks like any other egging by little scamps in Dublin, there was no evidence of any religious element to it. This is the most tolerant country in the world for Muslims. Maybe a little too tolerant.
    Prey tell how the average lunatic gets hold of a hijab they see and burns it without assaulting the wearer???


  • #2504
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    I can see why political correctness is so important. I hadn't read that quote from Gemma until now but reading Eric Cartman's posts, I knew he didn't literally mean violently remove the hijab and burn it or burn it off their backs. It's a turn of phrase. I'm sure Gemma didn't mean it literally either but here we are. Be politically correct if you don't want to be misunderstood. It's like the way Trump supporters constantly have to come to his defense, bending over backwards to tell you what he really meant with a controversial statement.


  • #2505
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,080 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Or just don’t say things that violently irrational fringe lunatics won’t latch to


  • #2506
    SoundsRight
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 408 ✭✭SoundsRight


    cookie1977 wrote: »
    Prey tell how the average lunatic gets hold of a hijab they see and burns it without assaulting the wearer???

    It's a hack of a leap to go from 'burn hijabs' to 'assault women and burn their hijabs'. If people are uncomfortable with the practice of keeping women under male control, they have a right to protest against it.


  • #2507
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I can see why political correctness is so important. I hadn't read that quote from Gemma until now but reading Eric Cartman's posts, I knew he didn't literally mean violently remove the hijab and burn it or burn it off their backs. It's a turn of phrase. I'm sure Gemma didn't mean it literally either but here we are. Be politically correct if you don't want to be misunderstood. It's like the way Trump supporters constantly have to come to his defense, bending over backwards to tell you what he really meant with a controversial statement.

    I think you mean correct grammar, something an ex journalist should be capable of. But maybe she's just dumbing down to the level of her supporters.


  • #2508
    cookie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    SoundsRight wrote: »
    It's a hack of a leap to go from 'burn hijabs' to 'assault women and burn their hijabs'. If people are uncomfortable with the practice of keeping women under male control, they have a right to protest against it.
    It really isn't. This isn't a woman who wants to empower women based on all her other comments.


  • #2509
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    SoundsRight wrote: »
    It's a hack of a leap to go from 'burn hijabs' to 'assault women and burn their hijabs'. If people are uncomfortable with the practice of keeping women under male control, they have a right to protest against it.

    Nice try but given some of your post history you haven't any issues with women being controlled.


  • #2510
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    when feminists advocated for the burning of bra's , do you think for one second that anyone played the mental gymnastics of "they mean run up to random women and burn their bra's "

    This isnt about Gemmas asking Muslims to burn their hijabs though. Its Gemma asking far right Islamophobes to burn any hijsb they see. Big difference.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #2511
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    cookie1977 wrote: »
    You'd prefer to wait for someone to act out her request ala trump and his "punch him" comments??

    We don't have to wait.

    https://www.joe.ie/news/gardai-investigating-assault-dundrum-678588

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • #2512
    SoundsRight
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 408 ✭✭SoundsRight


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    We don't have to wait.

    https://www.joe.ie/news/gardai-investigating-assault-dundrum-678588

    And when two white European girls go walking round a Muslim country, they are treated with such respect.

    https://news.sky.com/story/fifteen-men-charged-over-beheadings-of-female-hikers-in-morocco-11595382


  • #2513
    cookie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    SoundsRight wrote: »
    And when two white European girls go walking round a Muslim country, they are treated with such respect.

    https://news.sky.com/story/fifteen-men-charged-over-beheadings-of-female-hikers-in-morocco-11595382
    oooh we're back to more whataboutism. Yippee.


  • #2514
    Homesick Alien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 826 ✭✭✭Homesick Alien


    Saw her chatting to a lad with an Infowars hat on just now 🙄


  • #2515
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    SoundsRight wrote: »
    And when two white European girls go walking round a Muslim country, they are treated with such respect.

    https://news.sky.com/story/fifteen-men-charged-over-beheadings-of-female-hikers-in-morocco-11595382

    So you've moved on to trying to justifying assaults based on a person's religion.


  • #2516
    bobmalooka
    Registered Users Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭bobmalooka


    SoundsRight wrote: »
    And when two white European girls go walking round a Muslim country, they are treated with such respect.

    https://news.sky.com/story/fifteen-men-charged-over-beheadings-of-female-hikers-in-morocco-11595382

    What’s your logic here? We should try to bridge the gap of depravity?


  • #2517
    SoundsRight
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 408 ✭✭SoundsRight


    bobmalooka wrote: »
    What’s your logic here? We should try to bridge the gap of depravity?

    We are the most tolerant country in the world. It's embarrassing how people are twisting this 'assault' into something it's not. Why didn't she call the gardai, instead of taking a video? Would be interesting to see what happened in the lead up to it.


  • #2518
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    SoundsRight wrote: »
    We are the most tolerant country in the world. It's embarrassing how people are twisting this 'assault' into something it's not. Why didn't she call the gardai, instead of taking a video? Would be interesting to see what happened in the lead up to it.

    It is being investigated by the Gardai, fact that they pulled off her Hijab would tend to reinforce the probability that it was a hate crime. So you'd genuinely benefit from having a bit of cop on.


  • #2519
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,137 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    SoundsRight wrote: »
    And when two white European girls go walking round a Muslim country, they are treated with such respect.

    https://news.sky.com/story/fifteen-men-charged-over-beheadings-of-female-hikers-in-morocco-11595382


    So because two women were murdered by muslims in another country, its ok to drag the hijabs off random muslim women and humiliate them......


  • #2520
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    I doubt if these scrotes were readers of Gemma’s blogs or feed.

    Not that I wouldn’t welcome hate crime legislation in these kind of cases.


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  • #2521
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    SoundsRight wrote: »
    We are the most tolerant country in the world.

    You appear to be stuck on repeat. Whats your basis for this statement? Are you suggesting this incident in Dundrum is fake?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #2522
    MarkY91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,068 ✭✭✭MarkY91


    Who is this Gemma and what's her Twitter username? I wanna check her "crazy tweets.


  • #2523
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,080 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    SoundsRight wrote: »
    We are the most tolerant country in the world.
    [citation needed]
    Why didn't she call the gardai, instead of taking a video? Would be interesting to see what happened in the lead up to it.

    So you’re bitching out of both holes that she a) shouldn’t have videotaped it and called the police instead (except they’re aware and actively investigating) and b) she should have taken MORE video.


  • #2524
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    Overheal wrote: »
    [citation needed]
    .

    Ireland is fairly tolerant. You could look at the low level of anti immigrant political activities and organisation. Gemma is a tiny outlier amongst journalists and the national party could hold their party meetings in a shed. A small one.


  • #2525
    El_Bee
    Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    Dundrum used to be a nice well to do area, then the social housing tenants were allowed in....
    Anyways, someone was going to get egged that day by those little scumbags, but you can bet the house that the minute they saw the two muslim girls they went straight for them, which means they were targeted because of their religious/ethnic background.


  • #2526
    Lackadaisical
    Closed Accounts Posts: 518 ✭✭✭Lackadaisical


    I'd agree that Ireland is generally fairly progressive and inclusive and we very much like to be seen in that light. However, we all live in our own bubbles to some degree and it can be extremely dangerous to assume that just because you haven't personally experienced that level of bigotry and hatred that it doesn't exist.

    Ireland's also not immune to social media and trends in other anglophone countries like the US and UK and further afield and it's very easy for the kind of toxic extremism that's bubbling up elsewhere to start bubbling up here too.

    I would also caution that Ireland has a history of completely ignoring problems and pretending they aren't there if it doesn't suit our particular mental image of what Ireland should be. We did plenty of that in the past when we completely ignored all the various institutional abuses that were going on under our noses.

    I can fully understand that people don't want to accept that there's a problem (minor and all as it may be) with racism or xenophobia, but it exists and if it's not recognised and challenged now, it has the potential to grow into something far more serious.

    Trying to explain away that incident in Dundrum as anything other than racism or nonsense pretending that it didn't happen is simply does not fly at all. It's making excuses.


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  • #2527
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Turns out the vile attacked are members of the traveling community. Names and pictures appearing all over social media.

    What now for the vocal left. Condemn travellers?
    Unlikely


  • #2528
    cookie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Turns out the vile attacked are members of the traveling community. Names and pictures appearing all over social media.

    What now for the vocal left. Condemn travellers?
    Unlikely
    There are criminal settled people and criminal travellers. What's your point?


  • #2529
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,137 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Turns out the vile attacked are members of the traveling community. Names and pictures appearing all over social media.

    What now for the vocal left. Condemn travellers?
    Unlikely

    Condemn racists is likely however. Have you learned nothing from this thread re. Racists :pac:



    You can do a bit better than that.


  • #2530
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    cookie1977 wrote: »
    There are criminal settled people and criminal travellers. What's your point?

    The point is the identity of the attackers is now known. Young members of the traveling community.


    What will happen next?


  • #2531
    cookie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    The point is the identity of the attackers is now known. Young members of the traveling community.


    What will happen next?
    If you're correct hopefully they are charged and prosecuted. Again what's your point?


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  • #2532
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,137 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    The point is the identity of the attackers is now known. Young members of the traveling community.


    What will happen next?

    Why does them being travellers matter to you?


  • #2533
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    cookie1977 wrote: »
    If you're correct hopefully they are charged and prosecuted. Again what's your point?

    No point. Just spreading the news. Without leaving anything out


  • #2534
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    The point is the identity of the attackers is now known. Young members of the traveling community.


    What will happen next?

    I think they should be convicted for a hate crime. I couldn't care less if they're travelers. You really seem to think your points are hard-hitting but they're not...


  • #2535
    cookie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    No point. Just spreading the news. Without leaving anything out
    Yes, sure you are. I dont condemn all settled people when one fo them acts as a criminal why would I condemn all travellers when one (or more) of them acts as a criminal? You're showing your true colours there.


  • #2536
    El_Bee
    Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    DO you agree with this question; Travellers should have been forcefully settled and their "culture" thrown out decades ago when the government could still have gotten away with it.


  • #2537
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,137 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    batgoat wrote: »
    I think they should be convicted for a hate crime. I couldn't care less if they're travelers. You really seem to think your points are hard-hitting but they're not...

    Probably thinks they are "truthbombs"

    #5G #YouTube #Epstein


  • #2538
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    You are raging. You had been hoping it was some o Doherty's minions.

    Now you know that it was members of the traveling community you are still outraged but also disappointed.
    Why else would you be on this particular thread.

    Faux outrage is strong

    Lock them up.


  • #2539
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,137 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    You are raging. You had been hoping it was some o Doherty's minions.

    Now you know that it was members of the traveling community you are still outraged but also disappointed.
    Why else would you be on this particular thread.

    Faux outrage is strong

    Lock them up.

    What outrage?

    People asked you why you are fixated on the racist thugs happening to be travellers?


    Why are you hallucinating again?


    Why do you think travellers cant also be minions of O'Doherty anyway?


  • #2540
    cookie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    You are raging. You had been hoping it was some o Doherty's minions.

    Now you know that it was members of the traveling community you are still outraged but also disappointed.
    Why else would you be on this particular thread.

    Faux outrage is strong

    Lock them up.
    Ah here now. One day after Gemma calls for hijab burning someone with a hijab is assaulted. You think that's a coincidence??


  • #2541
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Turns out the vile attacked are members of the traveling community. Names and pictures appearing all over social media.

    What now for the vocal left. Condemn travellers?
    Unlikely

    This idea may well blow your little mind, but maybe it's possible to condemn them without condemning all Travellers.


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  • #2542
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    pjohnson wrote: »
    What outrage?

    People asked you why you are fixated on the racist thugs happening to be travellers?


    Why are you hallucinating?

    I'm certainly not hallucinating. Whoever is responsible should be locked up.
    But it wasn't O'Doherty's band of merry eejits.

    Hopefully pavee point call this out for the racist, disgusting attack that it is.


  • #2543
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    You are raging. You had been hoping it was some o Doherty's minions.

    Now you know that it was members of the traveling community you are still outraged but also disappointed.
    Why else would you be on this particular thread.

    Faux outrage is strong

    Lock them up.

    Any moron can subscribe to Gemma O'Doherty's bigotry, being a member of the travelling community doesn't suddenly change the possibility that they have been influenced by her. Eg John Connors loves Gemma O'Doherty and Croft... Tbh, I imagine most would prefer if she simply didn't espouse hate. Now are you capable of behaving like a grownup?


  • #2544
    cookie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    I'm certainly not hallucinating. Whoever is responsible should be locked up.
    But it wasn't O'Doherty's band of merry eejits.

    Hopefully pavee point call this out for the racist, disgusting attack that it is.
    You dont know that. And you dont know if they heared about or were influenced by her comments. You really really dont know...


  • #2545
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,137 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    I'm certainly not hallucinating. Whoever is responsible should be locked up.
    But it wasn't O'Doherty's band of merry eejits.

    Hopefully pavee point call this out for the racist, disgusting attack that it is.

    You were babbling about raging people here, you seem to have come back to reality.



    Curious tho why do you think Travellers can't be one of GemGems merry band?


  • #2546
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    batgoat wrote: »
    Any moron can subscribe to Gemma O'Doherty's bigotry, being a member of the travelling community doesn't suddenly change the possibility that they have been influenced by her. Eg John Connors loves Gemma O'Doherty and Croft... Tbh, I imagine most would prefer if she simply didn't espouse hate. Now are you capable of behaving like a grownup?

    So you are blaming her?


  • #2547
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,137 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    So you are blaming her?

    Do you think John Connors is a traveller or a supporter of GemGem.


  • #2548
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    cookie1977 wrote: »
    You dont know that. And you dont know if they heared about or were influenced by her comments. You really really dont know...

    Neither do you. They are children so il hazard a guess that they are just dragged up little scrotes. Not people worried about mass immigration or any of the other rubbish she spouts.


  • #2549
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Do you think John Connors is a traveller or a supporter of GemGem.

    Did John Connors carry out the attack?


  • #2550
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    So you are blaming her?

    I have absolutely no idea if they influenced them or not. Neither do you. I do think she has numerous tweets that are incitement to hatred and could encourage racist individuals to commit acts of violence. Now have you realised that your entire argument at the moment is moronic?


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  • #2551
    cookie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Neither do you. They are children so il hazard a guess that they are just dragged up little scrotes. Not people worried about mass immigration or any of the other rubbish she spouts.
    Well yes, that's my point. But I'm not acting like I know exactly what happened like you are so definitively.


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