Extra ID checks in DUB today?

TK Lemon · 18-10-2019 9:54pm #1

Mr Lemon and I arrived back from REU into DUB today. The pilot announced that people should have their ID ready for inspection as immigration were at the door.

As we walked from the apron into the door, immigration were standing there checking ID.

When we arrived at passport control, the GNIB officer asked us where we were coming from.

We were using our passport cards and all the flights arriving in T1 at that time were intra EU flights from what we could see. It's the first time I can remember being asked where we were coming from and Mr. Lemon and I fly several times per year. We even flew in from LCY earlier this year and Mr Lemon flashed his licence as ID and they took for granted that he was in the WX flight and questioned him no further.

Why were immigration at the apron door and why were they asking us where we were coming from today? Looking for someone?

donegal_man · 18-10-2019 10:00pm

Same thing happened last week arriving from Belgrade. Announced on the plane and immigration officers waiting as we disembarked.

TK Lemon · 18-10-2019 10:01pm

donegal_man wrote: »

Same thing happened last week arriving from Belgrade. Announced on the plane and immigration officers waiting as we disembarked.

There's a flight from Belgrade to DUB?

Del2005 · 18-10-2019 10:03pm

Had similar on a flight a few months ago, met at the end of the jet way and asked for ID. When walking to customs heard them on the radio following a person in a black jacket and they stopped him when he tried to exit.

They can ask where you came from if they want, especially if you are using a PP card or other ID. Had a flight cancelled last year and was asked when leaving where I'd flown from, they were surprised when I said nowhere.

donegal_man · 18-10-2019 10:44pm

TK Lemon wrote: »

There's a flight from Belgrade to DUB?

Okay, allow me to clarify. I was coming from Belgrade and had changed in Frankfurt.

BabysCoffee · 18-10-2019 10:53pm

Same on a flight from AMS last Sunday

jmreire · 18-10-2019 10:58pm

donegal_man wrote: »

Okay, allow me to clarify. I was coming from Belgrade and had changed in Frankfurt.

Also flew that route 2 weeks ago... DUBLIN-MUNICH-BELGRADE outward, BELGRADE-FRANKFURTH-DUBLIN homeward, but no special ID checks... they must have been looking for specific people on the flight's mentioned here.

Stark · 18-10-2019 10:59pm

Del2005 wrote: »

They can ask where you came from if they want, especially if you are using a PP card or other ID. Had a flight cancelled last year and was asked when leaving where I'd flown from, they were surprised when I said nowhere.

Passport card should be as valid as the passport. Granted, you're unlikely to be let on the plane with it if you're travelling from outside the EU, but that shouldn't stop them from letting you in. I did use it once coming back from a flight from the States as my passport was in my bag and it was easier to take the card out of my wallet. Immigration officer did a bit of a double take as he knew I was coming from a US flight (it was 5am) but said it wasn't a problem.

Driver's license is probably a different story as it doesn't constitute proof of citizenship.

18-10-2019 11:10pm

Hardly just part of a bit of training or upskilling for staff?

Hal3000 · 18-10-2019 11:12pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Hardly just part of a bit of training or upskilling for staff?

Or performing their actual duty ? Border and immigration control.

jesus_thats_gre · 18-10-2019 11:15pm

Same when arriving from Milan on Thursday midday.

onetimecypher · 18-10-2019 11:18pm

Remember the airport employee meeting people off the plane, giving them hi-vis jackets, and re-routing them around SECURITY and immigration and then correlate this with a headline last week that IRELAND has a major INTERNATIONAL TERRORIST (read: ISIS) FINANCE AND SUPPORT PROBLEM.

18-10-2019 11:21pm

Hal3000 wrote: »

Or performing their actual duty ? Border and immigration control.

Yeah but from reading this thread it seems to be a rare thing to see, yet it's happening a fair bit the last couple weeks at random flights.

jesus_thats_gre · 18-10-2019 11:22pm

First time I ever experienced it in Dublin. Must have landed into Dublin 200 times in the past 5/6 years.

onetimecypher · 18-10-2019 11:25pm

Also remember that no-deal Brexit will mean major increase in checks, thankfully.

The Veteran · 18-10-2019 11:28pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yeah but from reading this thread it seems to be a rare thing to see, yet it's happening a fair bit the last couple weeks at random flights.

Who said it was random flights?

Hal3000 · 18-10-2019 11:49pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yeah but from reading this thread it seems to be a rare thing to see, yet it's happening a fair bit the last couple weeks at random flights.

Good

Hotblack Desiato · 18-10-2019 11:54pm

Hal3000 wrote: »

Or performing their actual duty ? Border and immigration control.

On people who haven't yet technically entered the country and will still have to pass through passport control?

plodder · 19-10-2019 12:00am

The Mrs. arrived in this evening and had the same thing. Passport check on the tarmac and then again at passport control.

What's the reason for it?

Hal3000 · 19-10-2019 12:05am

plodder wrote: »

The Mrs. arrived in this evening and had the same thing. Passport check on the tarmac and then again at passport control.

What's the reason for it?

Stopping illegals entering the country ? Human trafficking? Countless reasons and probably good reasons. Why do we have to question it ?

Atlantic Dawn · 19-10-2019 12:09am

Hal3000 wrote: »

Stopping illegals entering the country ? Human trafficking? Countless reasons and probably good reasons. Why do we have to question it ?

Probably because you are shown this ring of steel yet you have people seeking asylum where they have passed through 20 odd safe countries getting here and are accepted.

L1011 · 19-10-2019 12:47am

General immigration/asylum discussion is off-topic for this forum. Only the actual airport controls themselves are Aviation related

Rawr · 19-10-2019 6:50am

I've seen the odd jetway ID check over here at Oslo Airport. It looks like they do it whenever there's a couple of people on the inbound flight that they want to check before they even get to the border post.

In the rare occasions I've seen it, they check everyone's ID on exit. I which I guess they need to do in order to find the people they're after.

The Rape of Lucretia · 19-10-2019 8:56am

Hal3000 wrote: »

Stopping illegals entering the country ? Human trafficking? Countless reasons and probably good reasons. Why do we have to question it ?

Because one passport check point if done properly should be enough ?

Hal3000 wrote: »

Why do we have to question it ?

From the customers view, there are many poorly implemented elements in Dubin airport that give an impression of poor service, so two such checks is on the face of it an unnecessary inconvience. They are certainly not above discussion or question surely ? Many aspects of Dublin airport are a disgrace.

Stark · 19-10-2019 11:33am

Hal3000 wrote: »

Stopping illegals entering the country ? Human trafficking? Countless reasons and probably good reasons. Why do we have to question it ?

Curiosity? Why do we have to talk about anything?

coylemj · 19-10-2019 11:47am

onetimecypher wrote: »

Also remember that no-deal Brexit will mean major increase in checks, thankfully.

Deal or no deal affects trade, what has the UK leaving the EU got to do with passport checks for people arriving in Dublin? You need to show a passport when arriving from everywhere except the UK, that isn't going to change after Brexit.

billie1b · 19-10-2019 12:09pm

There’s a load of illegals coming in through Italy and Spain, losing their documents on the way to GNIB and claiming asylum, once they’re at GNIB they have to be processed because they’ve no documents, if they’re stopped just at the inbound doors they can be sent back on the next flight available. There was 20 caught on one flight alone the other day and 4 on another flight.

road_high · 19-10-2019 12:18pm

billie1b wrote: »

There’s a load of illegals coming in through Italy and Spain, losing their documents on the way to GNIB and claiming asylum, once they’re at GNIB they have to be processed because they’ve no documents, if they’re stopped just at the inbound doors they can be sent back on the next flight available. There was 20 caught on one flight alone the other day and 4 on another flight.

Also a lot of “asylum “ seekers coming in here from Albania- likes of the Belgrade flights would surely be prime targets.
Perhaps immigration checks should be done at every flight door as people disembark to nip this carry on in the bud. Maybe slightly more inconvenient but Ireland needs to take a much harder line

trellheim · 19-10-2019 2:32pm

I think its wonderful that targeted intelligence-driven checks can be shown working well at DUB . Every time we have suggested them on the main passport thread as a replacement for the main channels they are derided.

Jamie2k9 · 19-10-2019 2:50pm

road_high wrote: »

Also a lot of “asylum “ seekers coming in here from Albania- likes of the Belgrade flights would surely be prime targets.
Perhaps immigration checks should be done at every flight door as people disembark to nip this carry on in the bud. Maybe slightly more inconvenient but Ireland needs to take a much harder line

Airlines get heavily fined depending on circumstances and usually do whatever required to stop such fines. Its good to see this happening and ideally extra staff should be available for this.

Jack1985 · 19-10-2019 3:37pm

Same on CDG-DUB recently both at 17:55 and 22:40. Armed Gardai there too.

dfx- · 19-10-2019 4:21pm

Nothing unusual arriving into Terminal 2 yesterday afternoon

niallo32 · 19-10-2019 10:46pm

donegal_man wrote: »

Okay, allow me to clarify. I was coming from Belgrade and had changed in Frankfurt.

I had the same flying Lufthansa from Belgrade to Frankfurt two weeks ago. German immigration checked all passports coming down the plane steps.

goingnowhere · 19-10-2019 11:00pm

Good to see some very obvious proactive action, does wonders for public trust in the INIS. Word gets out anyone trying to get in will find another route. Certain connecting routes offer transfers without need for passport checks, FRA, CDG etc.

Not uncommon in Germany to see a cop at boarding gate to check documents.

That said I haven't had my passport fully scanned in Dublin T2 in several months, quick visual check only, wasn't run against the computer as was supposedly the new policy.

bikeman1 · 19-10-2019 11:18pm

That now tallies with my mother's experience coming in from Vienna with Lauda last week. Full check at the plane / terminal entry point.

She asked me, what the hell was happening, told her they were looking for a particular passenger(s) on the flight that they wanted to talk to. Didn't think it was actually part of a wider operation! Good to see and interesting to read that the invound airline is not responsible once they are effectively off the plane.

RiseToMe · 19-10-2019 11:21pm

Armed Garda and Immigration met our plane from Faro this afternoon also. Just an announcement to immigration was at the door and would be checking documentation on the way out.

The Rape of Lucretia · 20-10-2019 9:06am

The amateurs amongst us are clearly missing something - what is the failure in the standard passport check that prompts a second one before what we would have assumed was the normal border control to weed out those who should not pass into the country ?

Jamie2k9 · 20-10-2019 9:14am

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

The amateurs amongst us are clearly missing something - what is the failure in the standard passport check that prompts a second one before what we would have assumed was the normal border control to weed out those who should not pass into the country ?

Prevents fake asylum claims from countries which are safe. No disposing of passports in the toilets or bins going through arrivals allegedly.

goingnowhere · 20-10-2019 10:36am

With the check at the plane, there is no discussion of where you came from and with who. Makes sending someone back much much easier and if the doc's are dumped on the plane we know which plane, have the manifest.

There are whole pile of airports where connections are possible without going through immigration, VIE is one, PRG, FRA, AMS, CDG these are high risk.

A certain Irish airline has enforced a visa check for non EEA for years as part of a policy to protect them from the legal actions which follow for carrying someone without the right paperwork.

Atlantic Dawn · 20-10-2019 10:39am

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Prevents fake asylum claims from countries which are safe. No disposing of passports in the toilets or bins going through arrivals allegedly.

A scan should be made of all passport documentation for passengers boarding the plane and this record forwarded to immigration at the destination airport, this would crack down on it.

Damien360 · 20-10-2019 11:12am

Is there not extensive CCTV all over the airport ? So if someone claims to not have docs and it is questionable who brought them, could they not check CCTV and have them back on a flight at the carriers cost ?

The Veteran · 20-10-2019 11:16am

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

A scan should be made of all passport documentation for passengers boarding the plane and this record forwarded to immigration at the destination airport, this would crack down on it.

Data protection anyone?

Legal base?

Who pays?

Remember the backstop was solvable with "technology" which others said didnt exist and wasnt tested.

Del2005 · 20-10-2019 8:04pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

The amateurs amongst us are clearly missing something - what is the failure in the standard passport check that prompts a second one before what we would have assumed was the normal border control to weed out those who should not pass into the country ?

A lot of passports get dumped in the toilets of the plane. When they then present to immigration they can then claim to be from any country or age, so stopping them on the plane means they can't.

Bazzy · 20-10-2019 8:54pm

This always amazed me about ireland and UK

When flying out the only person to check your passport is the nice person at the boarding gate or at the door of the plane

With the quick turnaround times this is bottom of the list i'm sure.

We flew from Germany recently and there was passport control after security. They weren't best please that my other half had not signed her passport.

I flew from Leeds Bradford to ibiza with a friend from Argentina and they didnt give his passport a second glance he was 100% legit but they never checked for any visa's

L1011 · 20-10-2019 9:11pm

That control after security on the way to Ireland was the Schengen exit check. You wouldn't have had any checks at all to a Schengen destination

The Veteran · 20-10-2019 9:59pm

L1011 wrote: »

That control after security on the way to Ireland was the Schengen exit check. You wouldn't have had any checks at all to a Schengen destination

And therein lies the problem. If you use a false identity to pass the exit check then next stop DUB. But that would need a very good false document but us done all the time. The major problem is dummy transfers at another airport that can be accessed on your real document and then simply head to the gate for DUB for the flight you intend catching. (The old Pier A trick in dublin)

smurfjed · 21-10-2019 4:19am

These checks are common in Europe, if someone gets caught getting off the aircraft without the correct documentation, they cant claim asylum, so these checks basically save our country a fortune.

trellheim · 21-10-2019 9:53am

These checks are common in Europe, if someone gets caught getting off the aircraft without the correct documentation, they cant claim asylum

I am not sure that is true but ready to stand corrected if you point me at the correct law or SI . It was my understanding that anyone is eligible to claim asylum

L1011 · 21-10-2019 11:25am

trellheim wrote: »

I am not sure that is true but ready to stand corrected if you point me at the correct law or SI . It was my understanding that anyone is eligible to claim asylum

Dublin Protocol requires them to do it in the first safe country, so if they're coming on a flight from Spain etc they get turned back

smurfjed · 21-10-2019 1:07pm

@TRellheim, how about the carriers obligation under 2001/51/EC of 28 June 2001,

Article 2
Member States shall take the necessary steps to ensure that the
obligation of carriers to return third country nationals provided
for in the provisions of Article 26(1)(a) of the Schengen
Convention shall also apply when entry is refused to a third country national in transit if:
(a) the carrier which was to take him to his country of destination refuses to take him on board;
(b) or the authorities of the State of destination have refused
him entry and have sent him back to the Member State
through which he transited.

trellheim · 21-10-2019 1:11pm

Thanks for that. I had forgotten the Dublin Convention. Smurf, yes but my point was anyone can apply for asylum ( you can be refused, though, as you point out but I could not see that happening on the jetway) , however the Dublin Convention overrides I think.

Extra ID checks in DUB today?

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