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Jehovah witness friend

  • 26-11-2020 2:39pm
    #1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭


    I done a course last year and still keep in touch with others that were on the course. Mostly because we progressed to a higher level and are on the same course again this year.

    There is one that didn't progress and I have no issue with staying in touch. Messages were mostly just checking up on me because they knew how crap I felt with the pandemic.

    However, lately alot of messages contains Jehovah witnesses material. The course we done wasn't religious and I'm not interested in this type of thing.

    While I am a catholic, a non-practicing catholic, is it a bit hypocritical of me to ask her to stop sending me Jehovah things? She can practice Jehovah witness but not through me.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,340 ✭✭✭Loveinapril


    Why would it be hypocritical? It is totally fine for you to say that you are not interested in receiving messages about religion. Your own religious status doesn't matter.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    I think it's hypocritical because I'm non practicing but she does practice her own religion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    I think it's hypocritical because I'm non practicing but she does practice her own religion.

    Not hypocritical at all. You don't want the messages, they are of no relevance to you so she shouldn't send them.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Not hypocritical at all. You don't want the messages, they are of no relevance to you so she shouldn't send them.

    Thanks, I'll send a message to ask her to stop


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,917 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    I think it's hypocritical because I'm non practicing but she does practice her own religion.

    That's still not hypocrisy.

    Just tell her you're not interested in discussing religion and you'd appreciate it if she stopped sending that material


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  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just ignore the religious messages etc and only reply to the personal messages?

    She'll soon get the hint


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,340 ✭✭✭Loveinapril


    Just ignore the religious messages etc and only reply to the personal messages?

    She'll soon get the hint

    I doubt it. Witnesses, Mormons and other religions who 'preach' like that feel like they are genuinely doing a good thing informing people about the bible. The OP definitely needs to be clear about their lack of interest in the topic of religion.

    OP, it would be hypocritical if you were sending her religious things but didn't want her sending things back. It is absolutely okay that you say that you aren't interested in religious information.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭qwerty13


    I’d add to LoveinApril’s post by saying that if she ignores your wishes, then block her.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 2,159 Mod ✭✭✭✭Oink



    She'll soon get the hint

    I don’t think that’s how JWs work...

    Good luck op, I hope I’m wrong and you get to keep your friend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    I doubt it. Witnesses, Mormons and other religions who 'preach' like that feel like they are genuinely doing a good thing informing people about the bible. The OP definitely needs to be clear about their lack of interest in the topic of religion.

    OP, it would be hypocritical if you were sending her religious things but didn't want her sending things back. It is absolutely okay that you say that you aren't interested in religious information.

    That might backfire as it arouses more zeal. Been there, done that . And no need to be unkind.. Just let the correspondence quietly lapse? Leave longer and longer between messages.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    I done a course last year and still keep in touch with others that were on the course. Mostly because we progressed to a higher level and are on the same course again this year.

    There is one that didn't progress and I have no issue with staying in touch. Messages were mostly just checking up on me because they knew how crap I felt with the pandemic.

    However, lately alot of messages contains Jehovah witnesses material. The course we done wasn't religious and I'm not interested in this type of thing.

    While I am a catholic, a non-practicing catholic, is it a bit hypocritical of me to ask her to stop sending me Jehovah things? She can practice Jehovah witness but not through me.

    Just let the correspondence lapse. Leave longer between replies. If you confront her it will encourage her to try harder with you. They are well trained.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭qwerty13


    I don’t think it is unkind for the OP to clearly express that they don’t wish to receive any more religious material from this acquaintance. Or to block them if this person doesn’t listen to their wishes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,090 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Graces7 wrote: »
    That might backfire as it arouses more zeal. Been there, done that . And no need to be unkind.. Just let the correspondence quietly lapse? Leave longer and longer between messages.

    I think it's more unkind to slowly ghost a friend without telling them why, than it is to be up front and say that you want to remain friends, but you do not want to receive religious material.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,478 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Why would you want to be friends with one of these nutters?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    qwerty13 wrote: »
    I don’t think it is unkind for the OP to clearly express that they don’t wish to receive any more religious material from this acquaintance. Or to block them if this person doesn’t listen to their wishes.

    MY response was not re it being unkind. It is that from experiences with others of this persuasion they are trained to intensify their teachings to reluctant people .

    If the OP wants to keep the relationship then she may need to accept that there may be lapses or intensification . It is the person's mission in life to convert.

    Just my opinion/experience.

    Entirely the OPs choice... Sincere good luck whichever way you choose of course.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭qwerty13


    Graces7 wrote: »
    MY response was not re it being unkind. It is that from experiences with others of this persuasion they are trained to intensify their teachings to reluctant people .

    If the OP wants to keep the relationship then she may need to accept that there may be lapses or intensification . It is the person's mission in life to convert.

    Just my opinion/experience.

    Entirely the OPs choice... Sincere good luck whichever way you choose of course.

    And it is possible that the OP was identified as a candidate for being sent religious material as they were having a very hard time with the pandemic.

    You said this “And no need to be unkind.. Just let the correspondence quietly lapse?” - my point was that it would not be unkind of the OP to clearly state their wishes, and block the person if their wishes are ignored. I’d disagree strongly that the OP standing up for themselves in this regard might be unkind.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Why would you want to be friends with one of these nutters?

    I didn't know they were a jehovah witness until these messages. I just want to be nice about it and not be racist towards them either. I'll take the advice above and tell them I'm not interested with their information.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭qwerty13


    Nothing remotely racist about it OP!

    I’d have no problem saying that I just wasn’t interested in their religious guff, whether it was Jehovah’s, Catholic, druids, crystals, black, brown, white, someone from my road or the other side of the world.

    The point is that you’re not comfortable with them sending you this information - but to be fair to them, they don’t know that until you say it to them.

    I personally think it’s overstepping the mark even if you haven’t said it, but I’d give them a chance by making clear that it is not something that you want. If they continued to overstep my boundaries though, I’d tell them why and block them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,788 ✭✭✭ztoical


    OP just be upfront that you've no interest in discussing anything related to religion, if they aren't able to respect that then tell them you will no longer remain in contact. There is no need to ghost people or try any underhand approach. I've a friend from college who is Mormon and we get on great with no religious talk or push so its not true that every JW, Mormon etc have a zeal to convert people - yes some do but I've also had hard sell from Catholic friends - just be blunt, you've no interest in religion and if someone can't respect your wishes then tell them it's best you stop contact with them. There's nothing hypocritical about it, its a matter of respect.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,090 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Why would you want to be friends with one of these nutters?

    We have a JW guy in work. Genuinely one of the nicest people you could ever meet. Friendly, kind, helpful, chilled. No one has a bad thing to say about him.

    He was bringing in copies of The Watchtower and other pamphlets and leaving them in the canteen. HR asked him to stop, as it was against company policy, and he did without any fuss.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,917 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    I didn't know they were a jehovah witness until these messages. I just want to be nice about it and not be racist towards them either. I'll take the advice above and tell them I'm not interested with their information.

    It wasn't hypocrisy not to have any interest in hearing about their religion and it's not racist either. Not really sure where you got either of those ideas.

    You're seriously overthinking this, OP. Just politely but firmly tell them you're not interested and you'd appreciate if they don't bring it up again. That's literally all you need to do.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,987 ✭✭✭OptimusTractor


    I think it's hypocritical because I'm non practicing but she does practice her own religion.

    Hypocrisy would be her not hearing about your beliefs while constantly pushing her beliefs on you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,457 ✭✭✭Tork


    Don't forget Jehovah's Witnesses are used to having people tell them that they're not interested. I'm always polite to them but I'm sure they get plenty of people who don't answer the door or are rude. Just tell her nicely that you're not interested and leave it at that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,259 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Send her back links to articles on www.jwfacts.com showing how her religion is actually a doomsday cult that under a veil of smiles and happiness, tears families apart via shunning and allows children to die and become martyrs rather than accept blood transfusions.

    She'll soon get the hint!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,917 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    o1s1n wrote: »
    Send her back links to articles on www.jwfacts.com showing how her religion is actually a doomsday cult that under a veil of smiles and happiness, tears families apart via shunning and allows children to die and become martyrs rather than accept blood transfusions.

    She'll soon get the hint!

    Or just politely tell her you're not interested rather than getting into a tit-for-tat that could well be interpreted as an invitation to treat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    Jws don't mix with non Jws except to convert them. You're a future member, or at least that's how they will see it.

    I got a letter from the local jw on my town this week.
    Was worrying that they had my family name on the envelope and house name in the address. Anyway I will ignore it..


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,342 ✭✭✭tara73


    Jws don't mix with non Jws except to convert them. You're a future member, or at least that's how they will see it.

    this. I would strongly advise to cut contact OP. Tell her as advised, you are not interested in this religious infos and stop contact. Don't feel bad about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,953 ✭✭✭✭Mam of 4


    To say JW's only interact with non JW people only as a way to try to convert them isn't true ime . I know lots of JW's and we just don't discuss religion at all .

    OP , just be honest and let her know you don't appreciate her sending you unwanted links/pamphlets, whatever , and you dont want to receive any more from her , that would be my advice .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    Mam of 4 wrote: »
    To say JW's only interact with non JW people only as a way to try to convert them isn't true ime . I know lots of JW's and we just don't discuss religion at all .

    OP , just be honest and let her know you don't appreciate her sending you unwanted links/pamphlets, whatever , and you dont want to receive any more from her , that would be my advice .

    I knew people who were ex jw. Even family members who were still involved were forbidden to have anything to do with them. They all eventually got out.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,340 ✭✭✭Loveinapril


    Jws don't mix with non Jws except to convert them. You're a future member, or at least that's how they will see it.

    This isn't true.

    People are people. If the OP's friend is a fanatic, that's a different story but to say a statement like the above is just a lie.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    This isn't true.

    People are people. If the OP's friend is a fanatic, that's a different story but to say a statement like the above is just a lie.

    In your opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,953 ✭✭✭✭Mam of 4


    I knew people who were ex jw. Even family members who were still involved were forbidden to have anything to do with them. They all eventually got out.

    I know that ex JW's are shunned and cut of by their families and those in "The Truth" . I never said I agree with their beliefs or practices , I just said it is possible to have friendships with them without Religion playing a role in that friendship .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,340 ✭✭✭Loveinapril


    In your opinion.

    My opinion is based on first hand knowledge of very close family members and acquaintances who were witnesses. They still maintained lives outside of the religion, including friendships, relationships and marriages. I personally knew a lot of Jehovah's Witnesses and don't know any who were shunned or excluded from families. To me, they just seemed like typical people but had a strong faith in their religion. Maybe it differs from place to place but the ones I knew in Dublin weren't fanatics.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    My opinion is based on first hand knowledge of very close family members and acquaintances who were witnesses. They still maintained lives outside of the religion, including friendships, relationships and marriages. I personally knew a lot of Jehovah's Witnesses and don't know any who were shunned or excluded from families. To me, they just seemed like typical people but had a strong faith in their religion. Maybe it differs from place to place but the ones I knew in Dublin weren't fanatics.

    See my post above. I also have personal experience.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,500 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    I done a course last year and still keep in touch with others that were on the course. Mostly because we progressed to a higher level and are on the same course again this year.

    There is one that didn't progress and I have no issue with staying in touch. Messages were mostly just checking up on me because they knew how crap I felt with the pandemic.

    However, lately alot of messages contains Jehovah witnesses material. The course we done wasn't religious and I'm not interested in this type of thing.

    While I am a catholic, a non-practicing catholic, is it a bit hypocritical of me to ask her to stop sending me Jehovah things? She can practice Jehovah witness but not through me.

    I would stop interacting with this person full stop. JWs are a cult, not a religion. Your "friends" only intent here is to convert you. Those in the religion are actively encouraged not to have friends outside the faith, when she talks to you she has alterior motive. It will not matter what you say to this person. They're brainwashed and will absolutely persist in trying to convert you no matter what. This is a dangerous cult, avoid avoid avoid.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,500 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    This isn't true.

    People are people. If the OP's friend is a fanatic, that's a different story but to say a statement like the above is just a lie.

    You are wrong. They believe at armageddon you will all die. They're told every week how they'll be stepping over your dead body at judgement day. They do not care to be your friend one bit. It's just a conversion technique.

    Please do not tell me otherwise. I know this cult inside out. I was raised as one since I was a child. It's dangerous. Stay as far away as possible. It will ruin your life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭JustAThought


    I had a colleague who I used meet weekly - great guy, totally normal, went out for drinks, had the craic - after about 3 years I mentioned the JW’s going door to door & made some quip and he roared laughing at me & said he was one too! You’d never have guessed! Of course I said that and he roared laughing at that too - we are normal people too and don’t come with Jehovah stamped across our forehead or horns!! I was
    mortified but insisted - you can’t be a JW you drink! And party! More laughter... he’s never mentioned religion or tried to convert me - I know him years now and he’s ‘just’ another person & ‘just’ another religion.

    I happen to know 4 JW ( found out by accident as I ket one giving out leaflets one day!). I’m a happy relatively lapsed Catholic and their line is that their mission for some of them may be to spread the word or create dialogue between different religions but that (so far) dosn’t make them a cult or evil or dangerous - just different to ‘us’. Lots of them do go every week to ‘the hall’ and take their religion seriously and place it at the centre of their life but I wouldn’t stamp someone out of my life for having their beliefs or occasionally putting their god ( I think we share the same one!) in the conversation. I used the line that I was happy with my religion & was worried they might try and convert me - again - to much laughter. We are still friends years later & no sneeky conversion! They’re just into their religion the way some people like horseracing or football or gaa or chocolate - and enjoy sharing it - dosn’t mean if you are honest with them that you are going to wake up milking a cow or with a rake in your hand or wearing an apron! Just be nice & be honest.

    People also need friends and different perspectives to balance themselves out - we complain if they stick together because they are clannish and a cult Nd we complain when they falk to us because they are trying to turn us into little Jehovahs! I’d say its hard to win sometimes!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,342 ✭✭✭tara73


    this is starting to become a general discussion. there might be some JW who are friends with non JW.

    the OP got, unasked for, mails or whatever with infos about the JW believes. So it's safe to assume this person doesn't only want to be friends but has motives for converting the OP to this believes.
    Therefore advise to cut contact with them is well suited.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    I’d advise to tell the friend no more religion talk and see if they respect that. If so grand. If they continue to go on about it then cut ties. No point ending a friendship unless you have to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Hi OP.
    I'm a militant atheist. Our children's minder is a very devout JW. Does the door to door stuff etc. Its never been an issue because she simply never brings it up, apart from the first year she was with us when I asked what time off she needed over Christmas and she told me she doesn't celebrate it and explained she's JW. I dont think its unreasonable to tell your friend while you want to maintain the friendship the religious stuff isn't something you're interested in and is a waste of their time. I'm sure they'll understand and if they don't you wouldn't want to keep up the friendship anyway.


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  • Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,947 Mod ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    Mod note:


    I've deleted off topic posts.

    Can everyone get back to giving the OP advise on their specific issue please?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Neyite wrote: »
    Mod note:


    I've deleted off topic posts.

    Can everyone get back to giving the OP advise on their specific issue please?

    I think I got enough advice. So the thread can be locked.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Mam of 4 wrote: »
    To say JW's only interact with non JW people only as a way to try to convert them isn't true ime . I know lots of JW's and we just don't discuss religion at all .

    OP , just be honest and let her know you don't appreciate her sending you unwanted links/pamphlets, whatever , and you dont want to receive any more from her , that would be my advice .

    Exactly. But in this case that has not been the case?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Exactly. But in this case that has not been the case?

    I forgot to say she did ask me at first can she send me a helpful link. Not telling me it was jehovah witness material that she was going to send me. So she probably thought me accepting the her friendly advice, not knowing what she was going to send me was ok and kept it up. But it's not ok, it was very sneakily done. Had she asked me, can I send you jehovah witness material in the first place, I would have said no.

    With her further links, I have ignored them. But when she starts her friendly chats again, she will send me another link or two.

    But I'll let her know that I don't want to receive this kind of information with her next link that she sends me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,953 ✭✭✭✭Mam of 4


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Exactly. But in this case that has not been the case?

    That is why the second paragraph of my post contained my advice in what to do .


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