PSNI officer suspended over incident at massacre commemoration.

McMurphy · 11-02-2021 8:29am

downcow wrote: »

More information is now out.

"Out" from where - are you going to put your source up? What do you want people to have the balls to admit they were wrong about btw? Has anyone here said the PSNI officer in the video wasn't from the South/or a Catholic?

The officer suspended was a young catholic from the ROI. He joined the service because he had a passion for ensuring there was nationalist representation on the Psni.
He was surrounded and fiercely verbally attacked specifically because he was from ROI. He was swore at, told he was a ****ing turncoat and he was a ****ing rat.
He had to be treated for concussion after the incident.
He finally with support of others arrested the main agitator.

The chief con is a disgrace and to defend his actions, as some of you doing, is a disgrace

The irony that I am supporting the young catholic Psni officer and some of you are defending the actions of the leadership.

Sack him for all his bad judgements. The 3 biggest being
1 not dealing at all with Story funeral
2 not dealing effectively with Uvf incident in east Belfast
3 suspending this young officer
Etc etc etc

Where are you getting this information from though,.like would you not just do the courtesy of linking to your source? Why did he need treatment for concussion?

Did he get a bang on the head from something? Or does concussion mean something different now?

smurgen · 11-02-2021 8:41am

downcow wrote: »

So how many of you have the balls to admit you are wrong.

More information is now out.
The officer suspended was a young catholic from the ROI. He joined the service because he had a passion for ensuring there was nationalist representation on the Psni.
He was surrounded and fiercely verbally attacked specifically because he was from ROI. He was swore at, told he was a ****ing turncoat and he was a ****ing rat.
He had to be treated for concussion after the incident.
He finally with support of others arrested the main agitator.

The chief con is a disgrace and to defend his actions, as some of you doing, is a disgrace

The irony that I am supporting the young catholic Psni officer and some of you are defending the actions of the leadership.

Sack him for all his bad judgements. The 3 biggest being
1 not dealing at all with Story funeral
2 not dealing effectively with Uvf incident in east Belfast
3 suspending this young officer
Etc etc etc

Sounds like the rantings of a mad man. Go out for some fresh air.

downcow · 11-02-2021 8:46am

McMurphy wrote: »

"Out" from where - are you going to put your source up? What do you want people to have the balls to admit they were wrong about btw? Has anyone here said the PSNI officer in the video wasn't from the South/or a Catholic?

Where are you getting this information from though,.like would you not just do the courtesy of linking to your source? Why did he need treatment for concussion?

Did he get a bang on the head from something? Or does concussion mean something different now?

Various sources.

The individual
that was arrested has done an interview on radio. He admitted swearing at the officer as a response to him taking out his notebook, admitted being warned that he would be arrested if he continued swearing at the officer, admitted continuing to swear at the officer.

Bbc journalists
The officer was surrounded and verbally abused including being called a rat.
Officer suffered concussion

Member of policing board
Officer was singled out for special attention because he was from Roi
Officers arrived by chance passing and saw crowd.
Officer sought advice from management.

Lots more. If there is a specific thing I have stated anywhere just tell me what and I’ll give you the actual source and link
I can’t start linking everything said in the thread.

McMurphy · 11-02-2021 9:24am

downcow wrote: »

Various sources.

Your hole doesn't count as one though unfortunately.

Without anything backing you up, you might as well say Sykes started attacking the peelers with laser beams from his eye sockets FFS.

Next.......

11-02-2021 9:28am

He didn't arrest him for nothing, he was arrested for Public Order offences. The least you can expect as a policeman is that your superiors have your back when you are correctly doing your job.
Police should not be influenced by politics.
You would imagine he will be due a nice pay out from this.

downcow · 11-02-2021 9:30am

McMurphy wrote: »

Your hole doesn't count as one though unfortunately.

Without anything backing you up, you might as well say Sykes started attacking the peelers with laser beams from his eye sockets FFS.

Next.......

No idea what you mean. If there is something you don’t believe then be specific and I will give you the evidence.

I think the penny is starting to drop with you. Thank god

downcow · 11-02-2021 9:35am

bubblypop wrote: »

He didn't arrest him for nothing, he was arrested for Public Order offences. The least you can expect as a policeman is that your superiors have your back when you are correctly doing your job.
Police should not be influenced by politics.
You would imagine he will be due a nice pay out from this.

Yeah exactly.
The problem is that there is a feeling with some here that the Psni should not be allowed to arrest shinners You saw it when Gerry Adams was a arrested for questioning around some terrible atrocities a couple of years ago - Bobby Storey said ‘how dare they’.
This is more of the same on Friday and a very naive English Cheif con has fell right into the trap.

11-02-2021 9:35am

bubblypop wrote: »

He didn't arrest him for nothing, he was arrested for Public Order offences. The least you can expect as a policeman is that your superiors have your back when you are correctly doing your job.
Police should not be influenced by politics.
You would imagine he will be due a nice pay out from this.

psni leadership will only support officers letting uvf force people from their houses......while arresting relatives for laying flowers at scene of a uda massacre,serious qs need asking about its priorities and ethos

11-02-2021 9:37am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

psni leadership will only support officers letting uvf force people from their houses......while arresting relatives for laying flowers at scene of a massacre,serious qs need asking about its priorities and ethos

A police officer doing his job, without political bias or influence should be encouraged and supported.

McMurphy · 11-02-2021 9:39am

downcow wrote: »

No idea what you mean. If there is something you don’t believe then be specific and I will give you the evidence.

I think the penny is starting to drop with you. Thank god

You do know what I mean, you're passing hearsay from your own narrow-minded echo chamber off as factual and refusing to provide source's.

Let's start with the concussion claim, I watched the video, and am very familiar with the area, I spent almost 3 years there (Curzon Street) as a student.

Why was he treated for concussion downcow? Did he get a clout on the head?

downcow · 11-02-2021 9:40am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

psni leadership will only support officers letting uvf force people from their houses......while arresting relatives for laying flowers at scene of a massacre,serious qs need asking about its priorities and ethos

Here we go. Same old same old.
East Belfast did not look good. But the 6 Psni did prevent the attack on the family by 50 Uvf men that was imminent.
They did not attempt to arrest them and I think anyone with a brain cell could understand why.
The Psni have been carrying out major action in recent time’s against east Belfast Uvf including many house raids.

So you statement is rediculous

11-02-2021 9:40am

bubblypop wrote: »

A police officer doing his job, without political bias or influence should be encouraged and supported.

from what i can see,the entire service is biased anyway

Uvf and uda, following customs people home from work and issueing death threats....nothing can be done,it seems

Relatives commerating a massacre,blaggard and arrest em on spurious charges......i dont think,they are a police force,worth supporting anyway

downcow · 11-02-2021 9:44am

McMurphy wrote: »

You do know what I mean, you're passing hearsay from your own narrow-minded echo chamber off as factual and refusing to provide source's.

Let's start with the concussion claim, I watched the video, and am very familiar with the area, I spent almost 3 years there (Curzon Street) as a student.

Why was he treated for concussion downcow? Did he get a clout on the head?

I don’t know why and therefore didn’t say.
I told you a bbc journalist said he was concussed. Here is the link https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000s739

11-02-2021 9:47am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Relatives commerating a massacre,blaggard and arrest em on spurious charges

You do, of course, have proof of this......

11-02-2021 9:51am

bubblypop wrote: »

You do, of course, have proof of this......

Theres literally video footage of it?

downcow · 11-02-2021 10:24am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Theres literally video footage of it?

Well since you have access to the Psni body cameras, you might share some more detail for us.

11-02-2021 11:40am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Theres literally video footage of it?

And your educated opinion is that he was arrested on spurious charges?
Having seen the footage yourself yes?

UDAWINNER · 12-02-2021 10:18am

Shield wrote: »

I can't think of a way the optics could be worse! I really do pity people signing up for this job, particularly those from the nationalist/Catholic community. The organisation has become rotten to the core with incompetence, selective enforcement and political bias. Everyone knows it, but nobody has the balls to say it for fear of essentially ending their career.

then why sign up for it. I can never understand why southerners sign up to it, are they not good enough or too dumb for the gardai or do they want want to harass the catholics up there because they certainly don't harass any loyalist scum.
Will always be the RUC to me

UDAWINNER · 12-02-2021 10:22am

bubblypop wrote: »

You do, of course, have proof of this......

there is footage of this all over youtube, no need to arrest a victim who was laying some flowers. Officer should be sackedand he came from the republic, he should be ashamed of himseld aiding loyalists harass nationlists. You clearly saw the difference in their treatment of the loyalist scum, probably their friends.

Green Peter · 12-02-2021 10:30am

UDAWINNER wrote: »

there is footage of this all over youtube, no need to arrest a victim who was laying some flowers. Officer should be sackedand he came from the republic, he should be ashamed of himseld aiding loyalists harass nationlists. You clearly saw the difference in their treatment of the loyalist scum, probably their friends.

Hopefully they follow through and bring the arrested man to court and give evidence of his behaviour and show the body cam evidence that the police don't upload to you tube after heavily editing it.

12-02-2021 12:00pm

Green Peter wrote: »

Hopefully they follow through and bring the arrested man to court and give evidence of his behaviour and show the body cam evidence that the police don't upload to you tube after heavily editing it.

Yep because people that upload videos to you tube never edit them....

12-02-2021 12:04pm

UDAWINNER wrote: »

then why sign up for it. I can never understand why southerners sign up to it, are they not good enough or too dumb for the gardai or do they want want to harass the catholics up there because they certainly don't harass any loyalist scum.
Will always be the RUC to me

Do you have a problem with any southerners living or working in Northern Ireland.
Two southerners I know in the PSNI are married to people from northern Ireland. Nothing to do with AGS.

12-02-2021 4:10pm

Patience of a saint Bubblypop, patience of a saint

blanch152 · 12-02-2021 4:20pm

Shield wrote: »

I can't think of a way the optics could be worse! I really do pity people signing up for this job, particularly those from the nationalist/Catholic community. The organisation has become rotten to the core with incompetence, selective enforcement and political bias. Everyone knows it, but nobody has the balls to say it for fear of essentially ending their career.

You are absolutely right. Not a single police officer has lost their job over the repeated failure to police republican funerals in accordance with the Covid-19 regulations.

Feisar · 12-02-2021 4:23pm

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Personally, my condemnation would come from the opposite direction. Again having not seen the video, assuming excessive force wasn't used, I would argue that the cop who arrested this guy likely didn't do anything wrong and shouldn't be punished. However, everyone who was present at the aforementioned loyalist march and did not intervene should 100% be disciplined for that. It's the earlier march and the policing thereof which is the problem here, not the arrest at this event.

This is the crux of it. We are creating a situation where Police and for ourselves Gardaí are better off doing noting. Being ineffectual doesn't land one in hot water, doing yer job does.

Note the optics on this one aren't good, however maybe they just didn't have the numbers to deal with the loyalist march, might be nothing to do with double standards. Often police will let things proceed, it can be better than cracking skulls. This isn't just an Irish thing, it's world over. Except China, them lads so not fúck about!

Just be glad I'm not in charge it'd be Blackhawks and M60's for any gathering.

downcow · 12-02-2021 5:56pm

Green Peter wrote: »

Hopefully they follow through and bring the arrested man to court and give evidence of his behaviour and show the body cam evidence that the police don't upload to you tube after heavily editing it.

Yes good point. The video is careful not to pan and show extent of the crowd

Shield · 13-02-2021 10:10am

Looks like someone got a hold of my application form. I knew this day would come.

Q61: Why do you want to join the PSNI? (Please select all that apply)

[✓] not good enough/too dumb for the gardai
[✓] to harass the catholics
[ ] to harass the protestants
[✓] to make sure loyalists aren't harassed
[ ] for the craic

UDAWINNER wrote: »

then why sign up for it. I can never understand why southerners sign up to it, are they not good enough or too dumb for the gardai or do they want want to harass the catholics up there because they certainly don't harass any loyalist scum.
Will always be the RUC to me

UDAWINNER · 13-02-2021 4:16pm

blanch152 wrote: »

You are absolutely right. Not a single police officer has lost their job over the repeated failure to police republican funerals in accordance with the Covid-19 regulations.

I'd be more worried about the large group loyalist scum allowed free reignwhile the PSNI looked on and then arrest an actual nationalist victim. The police officers in both instances should be sacked. But you're worried about a funeral, priorities and political point scoring come to mind

downcow · 03-03-2021 7:45am

Compare and contrast last week

Belfast
Psni assaulted by crowd after a memorial concluded. Officer struck in face
Psni make one arrest
Psni officer who made arrest is suspended

Dublin
Attempted assault on guadai.
Guards beat innocent bystander on head with batton
No suspensions

Green Peter · 04-03-2021 5:10pm

downcow wrote: »

Compare and contrast last week

Belfast
Psni assaulted by crowd after a memorial concluded. Officer struck in face
Psni make one arrest
Psni officer who made arrest is suspended

Dublin
Attempted assault on guadai.
Guards beat innocent bystander on head with batton
No suspensions

Innocent my arse!

Green Peter · 04-03-2021 5:12pm

downcow wrote: »

Compare and contrast last week

Belfast
Psni assaulted by crowd after a memorial concluded. Officer struck in face
Psni make one arrest
Psni officer who made arrest is suspended

Dublin
Attempted assault on guadai.
Guards beat innocent bystander on head with batton
No suspensions

Innocent my arse! You fly with the crows you get shot with the crows!

political analyst · 04-03-2021 6:36pm

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-56238528

The Police Federation is planning to take a legal case against the PSNI chief constable over the decision to suspend an officer in February.

The action followed the PSNI's handling of a commemoration event for victims of the 1992 Sean Graham bookmakers attack in south Belfast.

After reviewing footage from the event, Chief Constable Simon Byrne apologised for what had happened.

The federation is also to challenge the "re-positioning" of a second officer.

It said "pre-action" legal papers will be served later this week.

wicklowstevo · 04-03-2021 10:53pm

downcow wrote: »

Compare and contrast last week

Belfast
Psni assaulted by crowd after a memorial concluded. Officer struck in face
Psni make one arrest
Psni officer who made arrest is suspended

Dublin
Attempted assault on guadai.
Guards beat innocent bystander on head with batton
No suspensions

that's one hell of a description of what happened in Dublin ,
there are no innocent bystanders in a riot and any one who got a slap that day earned it many times over .

so take your bs story elsewhere

downcow · 10-03-2021 8:50am

wicklowstevo wrote: »

that's one hell of a description of what happened in Dublin ,
there are no innocent bystanders in a riot and any one who got a slap that day earned it many times over .

so take your bs story elsewhere

Thanks folks. It’s the very point I am making. There was law breaking at both events. I personally did not see the guy that got the crack on the head do anything but maybe he did. I also did not hear about any police officer getting hit in the face and concussed. Tbh I don’t know much about the events in Dublin and just saw a brief video on Twitter.

I do know that a police officer got hit in the face and concussed on ormeau road and that the person arrested had swore several times at the police and continued after he was told to stop.

Just asking you to apply some consistency

wicklowstevo · 10-03-2021 9:38pm

downcow wrote: »

Thanks folks. It’s the very point I am making. There was law breaking at both events. I personally did not see the guy that got the crack on the head do anything but maybe he did. I also did not hear about any police officer getting hit in the face and concussed. Tbh I don’t know much about the events in Dublin and just saw a brief video on Twitter.

I do know that a police officer got hit in the face and concussed on ormeau road and that the person arrested had swore several times at the police and continued after he was told to stop.

Just asking you to apply some consistency

that much is obvious from your post , and yet you felt qualified to make the comment you did

downcow · 11-03-2021 8:10am

wicklowstevo wrote: »

that much is obvious from your post , and yet you felt qualified to make the comment you did

Plenty on heat didn’t know much about the Belfast case but yet felt qualified to condemn a whole police service because of it. So I thought it would be fair for me to compare and contrast Dublin.

You are right though, none of us know enough to draw any significant conclusions

downcow · 29-08-2023 4:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/116236191#Comment_116236191

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/116228258#Comment_116228258

We had to wait a long time for it but the damning truth is out.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-66648801

riffmongous · 29-08-2023 9:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121043217#Comment_121043217

The 'damning truth' is those two eejits shouldn't be allowed out unsupervised ever again incase they make another f##k up like that, legal or not

downcow · 30-08-2023 7:08am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121044460#Comment_121044460

what would you think if the DUP had threatened the Garda to discipline two officers or they with throw the toys out of the pram, and the Garda Commissioner complied?

political analyst · 01-09-2023 12:44am

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-66659884

Why is Simon Byrne considering an appeal against the High Court's ruling after originally saying that he accepted the ruling? What has triggered this U-turn?