Lough Currane

Zzippy · 09-09-2018 10:45pm

Fred Nash wrote: »

Jungle cock flies for sea trout ? You sure ? Ya I have a lake rod aswell...No bother in that department.

One of the best sea trout flies is the Delphi Silver, which has jungle cock. Personally, I wouldn't really use it for lake flies, I prefer flies with more mobile hackles and JC restricts that a bit IMO. I have had tremendous fishing on Currane with a Silver Invicta on the point, which accounted for a salmon and 9 sea trout out of 12 fish that day. A typical sea trout cast for me would be a Clan Chief pr Red Arsed Green Peter with a muddler head on top, a Claret Bumble in the middle and a Silver Invicta or Silver Daddy on the point, but that's just my preference.

SeaFields · 10-09-2018 7:49am

To place my response in context Fred. I was out with two separate guillies a few years back on it. Both gave me flies that worked best and they were size 14 lake flies with jungle cock on them. As Zzippy said, many popular river sea trout flies would have jungle cock in the pattern

Fred Nash · 10-09-2018 9:10pm

Sound out lads...cheers for that...with all this rain Wednesday could be a great chance ! IL post here Wednesday night and let ye know how I get on either way!

Copal · 12-09-2018 10:24pm

Fred Nash wrote: »

Sound out lads...cheers for that...with all this rain Wednesday could be a great chance ! IL post here Wednesday night and let ye know how I get on either way!

Any fish

Fred Nash · 12-09-2018 10:46pm

Update. Headed out and fished hard today. Started at half ten, came off the lake at half 7. With another lad in a boat. Firstly in my defence the sun was absolutely blinding all day long...a poxy great day weatherwise in between a week of rain and dullness. We caught 2 seatrout (juniors) on trolling rapalas. And I caught one brown trout on a little minnow lure later in the day. The guy I rented the boat from did tell me I'd be doing well to catch a fish today. Wind was also from the north (unsure if that made a difference) only 2 other boats out. Not a fish did I see rise once. I'll be back though. On its day it has to be quality. Also mad to try one of the smaller upper lakes . Sea trout have been taken in fairly good numbers the last 2 days from the lake word has it. None brought home for me though. That's fishing!

Mr Bumble · 13-09-2018 1:25am

The lake is in serious trouble Fred. It's not just "negative talk" and one or even ten trips won't teach you much about something which has been brewing for ten years. Mainly, it's abput baby sea trout dead from sealice infestation among other things. There's sea trout around if you're fishing marks under oars and some have been caught on the drift but a tiny percentage of what should be caught at this time of the year when the fish are getting aggressive towards spawning. There's no argument about it anymore. Fishery will be catch and release for sea trout next year. It should be now and bringing any home is a bad idea.
I'll be down a good bit over the next month so I'll post a few updates as i go.

SeaFields · 13-09-2018 11:24am

I am not sure if I have mentioned it previously but I can see the sea lice problem in "my" river too which isn't too far from Currane. Adult seatrout I caught have been covered in them - much more than what one would consider 'healthy' i.e. a couple of sea lice to illustrate fresh from the sea.

Mr Bumble · 21-09-2018 11:02am

Good bit of rain this week and the lake is at a decent height. Difficult conditions with the storms but got out most days this week and had some very good fishing in mostly SW wind. Monday managed just a few hours and had a couple of small juners, Tuesday had three decent brownies and one sea trout of a few pounds. Wednesday had a pretty epic four hours in the middle of the day with a dozen brownies to 2lb and nothing under 1lb. Also two sea trout 3lb, 2lb and a handful of small juners. Thursday had five sea trout to 3lbs and two good browns. Very good fishingbut it's been lashing overnight and the suns out which might slow things down. Settled weather for next week so looking very good for the weeks ahead.
Frank Donnelly had an unbelieveable day with a guest on the Butler Pool. It's stuffed wth grilse and bigger fish, all stale. Nine between the two of them and as many lost.
Only one of the seat trout i caught looked recent and the rest at least a few weeks old. But they are taking flies on the drift. Pearly invicta and claret sedgehog doing the damage but I think any standard flies will take fish with the lake in this humour.
I've probably put the hex on it now.......

SeaFields · 21-09-2018 6:44pm

That's outstanding fishing all around. I'm going to try from the south shore over the weekend. Will post any success or lack thereof

SeaFields · 22-09-2018 3:35pm

Rose a good few brownies in a stiff wind this morning from the south shore. Couldn't see many boats out but it was rough so likely hard to see from my perspective. I'll chance it again in the coming days. The lake was up and felt very warm.

Mr Bumble · 22-09-2018 9:17pm

Got nicer as the day went on but still a cool easterly. Found some more good brownies and one took me around the boat a couple of times, mad thing. Also juners, so I've caught them in four spots now along the south shore and some over at Rabbit which is good news. All stale fish. There was a very quick hatch at about 7, small black sedge, which lasted about ten minutes when the sun came out and brownies switched on to it. There's some seriousy good brownie fishing. Last one is a freshish sea trout of about 2 and a half
Here's a few samples. All went back.

SeaFields · 29-09-2018 10:45am

Had good sport last night on sedges from the shore. Got a couple of lovely brownies. Rose many more. It was a spectacular evening for it too.

Mr Bumble · 05-10-2018 11:01pm

Different fishing for the last week or so but still productive. Early morning good for the bigger sea trout on a slow pull in Comeragh Bay. Best 4 and a half. More sea trout caught this week than those good brownies. There's a debate about what they actually are and one possibity is that last year's sea trout run stayed in the lake. They give an unbelievable fight and not like brownies at all. Also small smolt from the October run around in the last few days. Still penty of those little sedge hatching but it was NE wind today with a decent bit of rain overnight so slow enough. Got a good sea trout at dusk on the south side of the lake on a double fished slow.
Last week ahead. Weather looks dodgy but warm for the second half so hopefully it will keep fishing.

SeaFields · 07-10-2018 9:16am

I don't know about them being seatrout that stayed in the lake Mr Bumble. In my experience a seatrout that stays in freshwater never really recovers the full brown trout look. They go more dark. This is from a river perspective tho so maybe lakes are different.

I was delighted with the brown trout fishing from the shore. I always thought fly fishing from the shore on Currane was a non runner and spent countless evenings there this year after I found a couple of wadable spots. I suppose there is the possibility that a seatrout could hit the flies too. There was one spot I was wading last week and a boat drifted past

Explored around capal bay too and it looks very promising. Looking forward to next year already

Mr Bumble · 08-10-2018 11:48am

Some of these are very dark fish and fight like sea trout. They've gone down in the last few days and mostly small brownies and october smolt taking flies now. There's every chance of a sea trout from your wadable marks. I saw a big one run across the water at 7.30am Sunday right in against the road where the crash barrier is. They move right into the shore there. When you're standing with the lake inf ront of you at that spot, there's a sharp drop off to the left from 3/4 ft to 6/8. I've caught good brownies there and sea trout.

Mr Bumble · 14-10-2018 10:35am

The last week was tricky with a mixed NE and E wind early on and then too much wind later. Still caught fish and a lot of them, right up to the last day. Callum blew through very fast and I was fishing by lunchtime and kept going til dusk. Great fishing, about 20 sea trout, mostly under a pound and some of them fresh. Also a lot of October smolt getting ready to go (wish them luck!) more brownies which it seems nailed on now are sea trout from last year that didn't go back to sea. Those who know about these things have been in touch with IFI and apparently, the same happened in the Connemara lakes. A lot of them died off there so we'll have to wait and see. Was interesting that someone on the club app pointed out that some of the fish I posted pix of had very small bodies for the size of their heads which I hadn't noticed. Looking back, that was spot on and not a good sign.
Here's my (very unscientific) theory.These fish must be very hungry and it's near spawning time, which in turn might explain why the lake switched on. Fish come to flies best when there's competition among them for scarce resources and the addition of numbers of stay at home sea trout to the ecosystem might have been a trigger.
Thursday last was best day of the week. Was out at dawn and caught good fish all day including a very good one in Comeragh bay early and another good fish late on in Coomelickey Bay.
Caught fish all week and didn't blank any day which is a remarkable experience for someone who has blanked day after day on Currane for the last four or five years. I was almost at the point where the boat needed a new home.
It's very odd, to be honest, only partially explained by the presence of the sea trout that stayed in the lake. For the last few years particularly, it's been hard to even rise a brownie. Water clarity has improved dramatically and maybe it was down to poor angling!
There was definitely an improvement in the numbers of sea trout compared to the last four years and again, those who understand these things suggest that there was low salinity in Ballinskelligs Bay when smolt went to sea which means much fewer lice and that the Marine Harvest facility at Deenish had low numbers in the cages. If memory serves, I think the Inishfarnard farm around the corner in the Kenmare River was fallow last summer (2017).
All in all, a fantastic four weeks. I usally don't have to count fish on Currane because there's been so few, but I lost count on four or five days. Total was well over a 100 and another lad staying next door had similar numbers. Neither of us strayed very far from three or four spots and anyone else I bumped into was catching fish in all the known spots.
Spawning will tell a tale this year and that should start in the next few weeks. Unfortunately, the farms haven't gone away so the October smolt going to sea now will hit a wall of lice.

SeaFields · 14-10-2018 4:24pm

Great report Mr Bumble and very informative as usual. I took a spin to the capal river. Looks like it could produce too so that's another spot to try next year from the shore. Buying a boat for it will have to be considered too

SeaFields · 01-03-2019 7:49am

I see the reports from yesterday online. Seems two springers were taken, both on the troll, both by locals, both knocked on the head. FFS. It's sad given the state it is reputedly in that locals are knocking fish on the head, yet lambasting the IFI for lack of action on the system decline.

Olwas2014 · 02-03-2019 6:57pm

SeaFields wrote: »

I see the reports from yesterday online. Seems two springers were taken, both on the troll, both by locals, both knocked on the head. FFS. It's sad given the state it is reputedly in that locals are knocking fish on the head, yet lambasting the IFI for lack of action on the system decline.

I've seen the reports Seafields. I've seen three springers kept. They never seem to learn that they need to rectify this. I dont know why but Lough Currane seems to hold a reputation as a catch and kill lake which is unfortunate and true. Wish I could see more catch and release going on. I usually am not a catch and release brigader and believe its not a big deal to keep the odd fish but in reason but for me Lough Currane anglers have gotten past that point to where I think it is ridiculous

SeaFields · 02-03-2019 7:34pm

Couldn't agree more. I'm not a militant C+R advocate but you've them arguing that the IFI are at fault for the system decline yet knocking fish wholesale. I know there's issues around salmon farming causing the sea trout to decline. I follow a pile of salmon groups on Facebook. Anglers have learned that springers should be returned as much as possible. Not in waterville it seems.

Olwas2014 · 02-03-2019 8:38pm

SeaFields wrote: »

Couldn't agree more. I'm not a militant C+R advocate but you've them arguing that the IFI are at fault for the system decline yet knocking fish wholesale. I know there's issues around salmon farming causing the sea trout to decline. I follow a pile of salmon groups on Facebook. Anglers have learned that springers should be returned as much as possible. Not in waterville it seems.

Every time I brought the issue up with anglers who fish Currane, some agreed and some gave the argument that they're not the problem, people have kept the fish all the time. They refuse to blame themselves and put all the blame on the fish farms. They turn a blind eye to the constant killing of salmon especially spring salmon.

SeaFields · 22-03-2019 5:05pm

I see several people have comments on the blog about the lack of catch and release. The replies are dismissive. Very frustrating to see.

jack01986 · 22-03-2019 10:32pm

Lots of people posting pics online of spring salmon caught with tags pretty disappointing to see.

OwlEye · 23-04-2019 11:52am

A reprieve for Currane maybe...

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/kerry-fish-farm-licence-discontinued-after-probe-919283.html

SeaFields · 23-04-2019 1:17pm

OwlEye wrote: »

A reprieve for Currane maybe...

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/kerry-fish-farm-licence-discontinued-after-probe-919283.html

It is good news indeed. I'm surprised a big multinational would allow such a major breach of the licence conditions to occur.

Mr Bumble · 24-04-2019 10:54pm

It's great news. They will appeal but it's significant that Creed is taking on Marine Harvest. The dynamic has changed pretty rapidly in Waterville because of the new hotel. A lot of construction work and now hotel jobs, much better than the dozen or so running the farm. They've been pulling huge money out of those cages. I'm told a full cycle can be worth €12/15m which is extraordinary money and explains a lot. Almost none of that goes back into local economy and it is clear that the farm is actually damaging the environment of Ballinskielligs Bay.
The Hogs Head owners have invested upwards of €100m in the area and are still spending so they're here for the long haul. They won't want a hotel on a dead lake or a golf course overlooking a polluted bay.
I've been told that most of the farms in Ireland have very grey licenses which could be challenged.
I've been down two or three times since the start of the season and had a good salmon in March, my first springer off the lake which is in the freezer. Won't take another now.
Was down a few weeks back and did well on brownies. There's a few sea trout about. Unfortunately, someone killed a 7lb sea trout. Completely crazy. If the lake is to recover, those big fish are crucial.
Seafields.....I have a few more spots for you to try off the shore including a good one for salmon/sea trout.

Zzippy · 29-04-2019 12:58pm

Mr Bumble wrote: »

It's great news. They will appeal but it's significant that Creed is taking on Marine Harvest. The dynamic has changed pretty rapidly in Waterville because of the new hotel. A lot of construction work and now hotel jobs, much better than the dozen or so running the farm. They've been pulling huge money out of those cages. I'm told a full cycle can be worth €12/15m which is extraordinary money and explains a lot. Almost none of that goes back into local economy and it is clear that the farm is actually damaging the environment of Ballinskielligs Bay.
The Hogs Head owners have invested upwards of €100m in the area and are still spending so they're here for the long haul. They won't want a hotel on a dead lake or a golf course overlooking a polluted bay.
I've been told that most of the farms in Ireland have very grey licenses which could be challenged.
I've been down two or three times since the start of the season and had a good salmon in March, my first springer off the lake which is in the freezer. Won't take another now.
Was down a few weeks back and did well on brownies. There's a few sea trout about. Unfortunately, someone killed a 7lb sea trout. Completely crazy. If the lake is to recover, those big fish are crucial.
Seafields.....I have a few more spots for you to try off the shore including a good one for salmon/sea trout.

While agreeing with most of your post, I do find the irony in these contrasting statements rather depressing. It's simply not credible to criticise someone for killing a fish, while in the same breath admitting to killing one yourself. Salmon, especially springers, are in as much trouble as sea trout.

Mr Bumble · 01-05-2019 1:09pm

In 20 years fishing Currane, I've killed two salmon - my first on the fly and this, my first springer. I've killed one sea trout of 71/2lbs in the same time and I'll regret that for the rest of my life. I don't regret killing this salmon. There was a good run, the yearly run is at sustainable levels and it will probably be my last off Currane but I would still take a fish from the Moy. He had a gouge in his back from a cormorant and was most likely a taking fish as a result.
The Sea Trout population in Currane is in crisis. The salmon population (relatively speaking) is not. But I take your point.

Mr Bumble · 14-05-2019 9:22pm

New bye-law for the Waterville region makes it illegal to kill any sea trout. Catch and release still allowed. This plus Deenish closing gives the lake a great chance now. Interesting that they are doing it now instead of for opening day which would suggest that returns from the counter in the Butler pool must be very poor again. Fish should be running in numbers from now on. Will be down for the coming week. Fingers crossed.

SeaFields · 15-05-2019 6:49am

Just came to the forum to post this exact thing. Common sense at last. Hopefully the next few years sees an improvement with this measure and the closure of the salmon farm.

Slasher · 15-05-2019 8:28am

Is Deenish actually closing?

I expect they will appeal the cancellation of the licence??

Zzippy · 17-05-2019 12:38pm

Slasher wrote: »

Is Deenish actually closing?

I expect they will appeal the cancellation of the licence??

They have appealed to the aquaculture licensing appeals board but stated they are also applying to the high court to have the minister's order revoked. They want the licence amended to allow them stock far more fish...

SeaFields · 17-05-2019 7:47pm

Zzippy wrote: »

They have appealed to the aquaculture licensing appeals board but stated they are also applying to the high court to have the minister's order revoked. They want the licence amended to allow them stock far more fish...

The bringing in of the bye law lends itself to both the appeal board and the high court rejecting the various appeals I would hope.

Zzippy · 18-05-2019 12:24pm

SeaFields wrote: »

The bringing in of the bye law lends itself to both the appeal board and the high court rejecting the various appeals I would hope.

Will have no impact or relevance. They are appealing on very intricate legal grounds. Basically their licence expired in 2007 (most farms did) and the dept have done very little since on granting new licences but allowed existing farms continue as normal. The company are claiming that since there was no effective licence in place that the minister has no legal basis to determine there was a licence breach!
They are also claiming that the terms of the licence which limited the site to 500 tonnes production per year are outdated and they want it changed to a standing stock biomass of 2,200 tonnes, which equates to annual production of 3-4,000 tonnes.
Oh, and they also claimed that the fish were transported and killed elsewhere, so they cannot be punished for harvesting too many fish at the site. You couldn't make it up! These people have no shame and will do anything to make a profit, and f**k your wild salmon and sea trout...

Mr Bumble · 23-05-2019 6:59pm

The above makes the work being done by the IFi this year hugely important. They've been working on a smolt micro tagging scheme to track the migrations of sea trout smolt. The tracking buoys are scattered around the lake. They've also been sampling in the Butler pool for the last few years looking at returning, lice infested smolt. This is all building evidence. They had to act, given the collapse of the sea trout run. The lads on the ground speak of a general neglect in the area of policing of the fish farms. IFI perosnnel used to go out the farm once a month but that lapsed a number of years ago.
We all know Deenish is the problem but that's never been enough in Ireland.
There are a few sea trout about. I got this one off an old early season mark I haven't fished in a while. Aboout four and a half and had been in a week. Had a couple of juniors as well and heard of a scatter of others.
Perfect conditions for last three days weather wise but lake very low and dropping. Next flood will make for interesting fishing.

SeaFields · 24-05-2019 9:50pm

Well I finally actually caught a sea trout from Currane. This beautiful trout taken this evening from the shore. Bet you a lot of fellas would tell you that's not possible.

Zzippy · 24-05-2019 11:20pm

Mr Bumble wrote: »

The above makes the work being done by the IFi this year hugely important. They've been working on a smolt micro tagging scheme to track the migrations of sea trout smolt. The tracking buoys are scattered around the lake. They've also been sampling in the Butler pool for the last few years looking at returning, lice infested smolt. This is all building evidence. They had to act, given the collapse of the sea trout run. The lads on the ground speak of a general neglect in the area of policing of the fish farms. IFI perosnnel used to go out the farm once a month but that lapsed a number of years ago.
We all know Deenish is the problem but that's never been enough in Ireland.
There are a few sea trout about. I got this one off an old early season mark I haven't fished in a while. Aboout four and a half and had been in a week. Had a couple of juniors as well and heard of a scatter of others.
Perfect conditions for last three days weather wise but lake very low and dropping. Next flood will make for interesting fishing.

Just to clarify. IFI staff used to participate in lice sampling. That was stopped by the department and the marine institute. IFI are no longer permitted to observe sampling. There is no independent oversight of the MI sampling programme. Farms are notified in advance of inspections. Read into that what you will.

Mr Bumble · 25-05-2019 9:32am

Well done Seafields. I think I know where you got it. There's definitely a few fish around. Got anohter on Friday - over 5lbs tho the snap dpesn't do it justuce. Finding them at old marks I haven't fished in a long time

Mr Bumble · 25-05-2019 9:39am

Zzippy wrote: »

Just to clarify. IFI staff used to participate in lice sampling. That was stopped by the department and the marine institute. IFI are no longer permitted to observe sampling. There is no independent oversight of the MI sampling programme. Farms are notified in advance of inspections. Read into that what you will.

There was a practice locally here to visit the farms unannounced....above and beyond the lice monitorring ...."just for a look". I think this helped Currane. With no visits and multiples of allowed stocking rates, the inevitable happened.

SeaFields · 25-05-2019 10:44pm

Mod hat on...

Lads, there seems to been a miscommunication here more so than anything else on both sides.

If we were on the hurling field I tell ye shake hands and move on.

NSAman · 26-05-2019 2:22pm

This is disturbing, as a kid my family spent many days of each summer on Currane. I didn’t realize it was this bad. Haven’t been there in a long time. In the 70s it was a case of my dad having fun fishing, releasing many but bringing home something for dinner... sad to see this decline.

Mr Bumble · 27-05-2019 12:28am

Anyway, had a great week on Currane. High quality brownies as well as the two controversial sea trout. Four or five days of a westerly helped and had me fishing marks I haven't been near in a few years. Got the good ones right on top of rocks which was odd given the low lake.
There's been a pulse of the 3 and 1/2 to 5 and 1/2 fish and I reckon they've been out and back between 3 and five times. I got a couple of juniors over a pound and I heard of a few more too. Nothing spectacular in terms of numbers but I got the good fish on two different sides of the lake so there may be more than than you'd think. Still nowhere near enough juniors. The next flood will be important for that.
From the point of view of brown trout fishing, the fish have definitely got much bigger in the last few years. On the night I was leaving, there was a cloud of small black sedge around the boats and if you look at the farms on the North side of the lake, the top of the hills have been reclaimed for grass growing, all in recent years. Whatever they're using to grow grass in marginal upland must be finding its way into the lake. Maybe that's a bigger threat to the sea trout in the long run than the sea lice. Either way, it's a much better brown trout lake than it used to be.

Rows Grower · 28-05-2019 12:27pm

Perfect day here today, not a sinner around and only the cuckoo and the water lapping the rocks to be heard.
Got two pan size brownies on the double worm in the first hour.

Rows Grower · 28-05-2019 12:32pm

Just got another one, 3 in an hour and a half.

Rows Grower · 28-05-2019 9:10pm

Finished up after 4 hours fishing with 6 brownies, killed the first 6 and returned the other three.

I wasn't trolling, I wasn't even on a boat. They all succumbed to the double worm fished from the shore.

The water was low enough and while it was a bit cloudy it was still too bright for spinning.

I met the first trout on a slow retrieve about 50 feet out from where I was standing and that's roughly where the other trout were caught.

Only saw one eagle but it sounded like two different cuckoos were in voice.

I took some pictures but I don't know how to upload them, I could email them on to anyone who wants to see them and they could throw them up here.

I'm sure anyone who knows the Lough well will be able to recognise exactly where I was.

SeaFields · 28-05-2019 10:43pm

Mod. Multiple off topic posts deleted. The thread is for Lough Currane discussion. Not a peeing contest. Cheers.

Slasher · 24-12-2019 11:07am

From Monday's Irish Times:

"An assessment and monitoring project entitled Currane Stamp has commenced in the Lough Currane catchment in Waterville, Co Kerry to identify factors contributing to the decline of sea trout populations."

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/other-sports/getting-to-the-bottom-of-sea-trout-decline-in-lough-currane-1.4120633

Should be interesting.

SeaFields · 24-12-2019 6:32pm

The consensus is that the salmon farm in ballinskelligs bay is the primary contributor to the sea trout decline in Currane. That salmon farm has since been closed for harvesting well above the permitted amount. It may be a case of closing the gate after the horse has bolted but nevertheless at least there is some involvement at a state level now. As you say it'll be interesting to see the outcome.

Zzippy · 26-12-2019 3:27pm

SeaFields wrote: »

The consensus is that the salmon farm in ballinskelligs bay is the primary contributor to the sea trout decline in Currane. That salmon farm has since been closed for harvesting well above the permitted amount. It may be a case of closing the gate after the horse has bolted but nevertheless at least there is some involvement at a state level now. As you say it'll be interesting to see the outcome.

To clarify: the farm has had its licence revoked but the company are appealing this to the High Court and until the case is decided the farm continues to operate.

SeaFields · 26-12-2019 6:09pm

Zzippy wrote: »

To clarify: the farm has had its licence revoked but the company are appealing this to the High Court and until the case is decided the farm continues to operate.

Thanks Zzippy. I did not know that. I was under the impression, from the media reports, it was closed. A speedy outcome to the study would be most welcome so.

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