The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

maccored · 02-03-2021 11:48am

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

So not lies actually? If we come back to the core issue from deflection like court cases or the Labour Party, or Judean Peoples Front hairsplitting. The IRA still exist, and have a dreadful list of murder and terrorism despite claiming to be on 'ceasefire'.

the pira went on ceasefire and disbanded. not any other ira.

maccored · 02-03-2021 11:49am

blanch152 wrote: »

That type of stuff from Paddy Holohan only encourages the idiots we saw at the weekend.

the right wingers who have aided the government by making any protest look like a riot?

RandomViewer · 02-03-2021 12:11pm

Nobotty wrote: »

It gets confusing if you drill down that far given Mary Lou was once in Fianna Fáil rising and following charlie as was that Andrews fella

And the former Labour leader who defected to FG in the 80s, the Toad from the Healy Rae (FF) Kingdom seems to have opened a can of worms for all,

RandomViewer · 02-03-2021 12:14pm

maccored wrote: »

the right wingers who have aided the government by making any protest look like a riot?

Do you not think that in a week when lockdown fatigue seemed to be rising the events of Saturday look well timed,

maccored · 02-03-2021 12:37pm

RandomViewer wrote: »

Do you not think that in a week when lockdown fatigue seemed to be rising the events of Saturday look well timed,

i would say a lot of people at that were business owners who are losing their livelihoods. I dont know as I wasnt there.

perfect place for a few fascists all the same to obstruct everything and make it look bad to oppose the government

blanch152 · 02-03-2021 12:51pm

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/sinn-fein-mp-hazzards-china-solidarity-tweet-prompts-backlash-40141595.html

I see Sinn Fein have solidarity with Chinese government oppression.

"SDLP South Belfast MP Claire Hanna said she had a "genuine question" for the Sinn Fein leadership following the tweet.

"Does this solidarity extend to the Uyghurs who are experiencing egregious human rights abuses, including concentration camps and forced sterilisation, at the hands of the government," she said.

"Amnesty International UK's Northern Ireland Programme Director Patrick Corrigan said that his solidarity was "with the Uighur and Kazakh Muslims of Xinjiang, a million of whom have been put in mass internment camps for “re-education” at Xi’s direction".

His Amnesty colleague Grainne Teggart asked if Mr Hazzard had "any comment on egregious human rights abuses? Draconian national security law? The internment and persecution of 1 million Uighur and Kazakh Muslims? The list goes on".

Another one who shouldn't be let out, the list gets lengthier by the day.

Bubbaclaus · 02-03-2021 12:56pm

RandomViewer wrote: »

Do you not think that in a week when lockdown fatigue seemed to be rising the events of Saturday look well timed,

That's approaching QAnon territory line of thinking there.

maccored · 02-03-2021 1:04pm

blanch152 wrote: »

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/sinn-fein-mp-hazzards-china-solidarity-tweet-prompts-backlash-40141595.html

I see Sinn Fein have solidarity with Chinese government oppression.

"SDLP South Belfast MP Claire Hanna said she had a "genuine question" for the Sinn Fein leadership following the tweet.

"Does this solidarity extend to the Uyghurs who are experiencing egregious human rights abuses, including concentration camps and forced sterilisation, at the hands of the government," she said.

"Amnesty International UK's Northern Ireland Programme Director Patrick Corrigan said that his solidarity was "with the Uighur and Kazakh Muslims of Xinjiang, a million of whom have been put in mass internment camps for “re-education” at Xi’s direction".

His Amnesty colleague Grainne Teggart asked if Mr Hazzard had "any comment on egregious human rights abuses? Draconian national security law? The internment and persecution of 1 million Uighur and Kazakh Muslims? The list goes on".

Another one who shouldn't be let out, the list gets lengthier by the day.

In response a Sinn Fein spokesperson said the party was "opposed to the suppression of any ethnic or religious grouping on the basis of their culture or belief system".

SF people have different outlooks and beliefs. I know thats the opposite of the 'cult' claims, but its called being a properly democratic party with people who have slightly differing views on the myrid of things you find in life. The party itself is pretty clear on its stance on China's oppression.

RandomViewer · 02-03-2021 1:05pm

maccored wrote: »

i would say a lot of people at that were business owners who are losing their livelihoods. I dont know as I wasnt there.

perfect place for a few fascists all the same to obstruct everything and make it look bad to oppose the government

Few dirty fifties and job done?

maccored · 02-03-2021 1:19pm

RandomViewer wrote: »

Few dirty fifties and job done?

im not saying it was anything like it - i just find that when people are getting fed up, starting to show it and theres a demostration, the point of the demonstration (which I assume is people and businesses fearing a longer lockdown) is lost and instead classed as an anti-vax demo (which maybe it was) with a bit of violence thrown in for good measure.

Natterjack from Kerry · 02-03-2021 2:05pm

maccored wrote: »

its called being a properly democratic party

How can the political wing of a terrorist organisation be called a properly democratic party?

Natterjack from Kerry · 02-03-2021 2:08pm

RandomViewer wrote: »

So by your concept of the IRA Heather Humphreys is a member of the UVF as her grandfather signed the Ulster Covenant

So what you're saying is you're a lobster?

How would you possibly make out any thing about H H from what I have posted?

jh79 · 02-03-2021 2:08pm

RandomViewer wrote: »

Few dirty fifties and job done?

One of the organisers is the daughter of a prominent SF activist, where does she fit into this conspiracy

?

RandomViewer · 02-03-2021 2:23pm

jh79 wrote: »

One of the organisers is the daughter of a prominent SF activist, where does she fit into this conspiracy ?

No conspiracy, some dimwits decide to have an ill advised march, not my thing but there's never a shortage of stupid and easily led people, knowing this and knowing that idiocy like misery loves company and the possibility of bigger marches slipping a few fifties to a few skangers to spice things up and put the frighteners on future protests isn't that big of a leap

maccored · 02-03-2021 2:25pm

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

How can the political wing of a terrorist organisation be called a properly democratic party?

what 'terrorist' organisation are SF the political wing of?

blanch152 · 02-03-2021 2:51pm

jh79 wrote: »

One of the organisers is the daughter of a prominent SF activist, where does she fit into this conspiracy ?

How dare you suggest that any Sinn Fein member was involved in any illegal activity without a court conviction signed in triplicate by all members of the Supreme Court.

maccored · 02-03-2021 3:43pm

blanch152 wrote: »

How dare you suggest that any Sinn Fein member was involved in any illegal activity without a court conviction signed in triplicate by all members of the Supreme Court.

so its illegal to organise a protest now? Speaks volumes of how the mind of blanch152 works ....

maccored · 02-03-2021 3:46pm

jh79 wrote: »

One of the organisers is the daughter of a prominent SF activist, where does she fit into this conspiracy ?

if - and im saying this totally admitting I have no idea the point behind the protest - it was organised as a general protest against lockdown and if the rioting was set up by others - how does that suggest the organisers wanted the same outcome?

plus why would you assume someones daughter would have the same political outlook as her parent? You're taking a lot for granted there.

jh79 · 02-03-2021 5:01pm

maccored wrote: »

if - and im saying this totally admitting I have no idea the point behind the protest - it was organised as a general protest against lockdown and if the rioting was set up by others - how does that suggest the organisers wanted the same outcome?

plus why would you assume someones daughter would have the same political outlook as her parent? You're taking a lot for granted there.

I don't. It was just a bit of mischief as a response to the ridiculous conspiracy that FG were behind it while ignoring an actual link to a party.

I believe the daughter is a bit of a hippy and the family aren't too happy about the whole situation.

Newsworthy twitter account wasn't too happy with the NI SF councillor contacting a non-SF member of the Oireachtas to see if they could get the tweet removed!

jh79 · 02-03-2021 5:16pm

maccored wrote: »

so its illegal to organise a protest now? Speaks volumes of how the mind of blanch152 works ....

I thought it was under the new regulations?

James Brown · 02-03-2021 5:18pm

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

How can the political wing of a terrorist organisation be called a properly democratic party?

They always were.
And the IRA themselves after they signed up to peace and engaged in the democratic process. Like FF/FG before them.

James Brown · 02-03-2021 5:22pm

maccored wrote: »

so its illegal to organise a protest now? Speaks volumes of how the mind of blanch152 works ....

While I don't agree with their ideals, we should never dismiss or deny the right to protest.
That's one reason I no longer support Labour and a big problem with the like of Fine Gael who demonise anyone speaks out.

James Brown · 02-03-2021 5:24pm

maccored wrote: »

if - and im saying this totally admitting I have no idea the point behind the protest - it was organised as a general protest against lockdown and if the rioting was set up by others - how does that suggest the organisers wanted the same outcome?

plus why would you assume someones daughter would have the same political outlook as her parent? You're taking a lot for granted there.

Suggests Charlie Flanagan must be anti-Semitic.

blanch152 · 02-03-2021 5:30pm

jh79 wrote: »

I thought it was under the new regulations?

Indeed, it is illegal under the new regulations.

However, that never stopped Sinn Fein in the past.

James Brown · 02-03-2021 6:14pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Indeed, it is illegal under the new regulations.

However, that never stopped Sinn Fein in the past.

So Holohan was, wasn't involved but inspired the protest..
SF weren't involved but the daughter of a shinner was allegedly...
And SF broke protest rules in the past?

Really struggling to put the protest on SF. Trying too hard IMO.

blanch152 · 02-03-2021 6:28pm

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/opinion/nilga-chief-councils-are-setting-prudent-rates-so-that-we-can-deliver-key-services-across-northern-ireland-3151534

Once again it is do as I say not as I do with Sinn Fein.

Across Northern Ireland, they are increasing taxes on ordinary people with increases in household rates. Down here, they refuse to increase the equivalent LPT to do something to help the homeless.

James Brown · 02-03-2021 7:31pm

blanch152 wrote: »

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/opinion/nilga-chief-councils-are-setting-prudent-rates-so-that-we-can-deliver-key-services-across-northern-ireland-3151534

Once again it is do as I say not as I do with Sinn Fein.

Across Northern Ireland, they are increasing taxes on ordinary people with increases in household rates. Down here, they refuse to increase the equivalent LPT to do something to help the homeless.

More made up spin. It's smacks of desperation.

This makes no sense by the way;

Once again it is do as I say not as I do with Sinn Fein.

In one jurisdiction you claim wanting low LPT directly effects homelessness and SF are cool with that.
On the other side of it you cite a different jurisdiction with a completely different satellite government of sorts as a comparison because they wanted to raise taxes?
That's just silly.

Natterjack from Kerry · 02-03-2021 8:30pm

maccored wrote: »

what 'terrorist' organisation are SF the political wing of?

Properly surprised someone following a thread like this wouldnt know that ! Anyway, the terrorist organisation IRA, rather than a 'terrorist' organisation, is a way of the IRA exerting political influence, even if both are controlled by the army council of the IRA. Which is sort of kept quiet from people in the south, who dont really realise that their country is being influenced by unelected terrorists in a foreign country.

James Brown · 02-03-2021 8:32pm

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

Properly surprised someone following a thread like this wouldnt know that ! Anyway, the terrorist organisation IRA, rather than a 'terrorist' organisation, is way of the IRA exerting political influence, even if both are controlled by the army council of the IRA. Which is sort of kept quiet from people in the south, who dont really realise that their country is being influenced by unelected terrorists in a foreign country.

It's a circular and very boring pretend 'debate'.
Why don't you just call SF names and get it out of your system?

wicklowstevo · 02-03-2021 9:31pm

[QUOTE=maccored;116452442]SF people have different outlooks and beliefs. I know thats the opposite of the 'cult' claims, but its called being a properly democratic party with people who have slightly differing views on the myrid of things you find in life. The party itself is pretty clear on its stance on China's oppression.[/QUOTE]

different than most normal people ?

:pac::pac::pac:

we know

maccored · 02-03-2021 9:39pm

wicklowstevo wrote: »

different than most normal people ?

:pac::pac::pac:

we know

You might find EVERYONE in the world is different than the other. Might be a bit of a shocker to you but generally thats the way things are.

maccored · 02-03-2021 9:41pm

jh79 wrote: »

I thought it was under the new regulations?

hang on - are you telling me it's illegal to protest?

jh79 · 03-03-2021 8:23am

maccored wrote: »

hang on - are you telling me it's illegal to protest?

It's illegal to organise any event including protests.

https://www.iccl.ie/human-rights/iccl-briefing-on-emergency-covid-19-legislation/

maccored · 03-03-2021 9:09am

jh79 wrote: »

It's illegal to organise any event including protests.

https://www.iccl.ie/human-rights/iccl-briefing-on-emergency-covid-19-legislation/

Organising an event or a gathering under the current COVID-19 regulations is not allowed without a “reasonable excuse”. It is up to Gardaí to decide what a reasonable excuse is.

https://spunout.ie/news/covid-19/a-guide-to-protesting-during-covid-19

Actual facts are always handy.

jh79 · 03-03-2021 9:31am

maccored wrote: »

https://spunout.ie/news/covid-19/a-guide-to-protesting-during-covid-19

Actual facts are always handy.

Both our links say the same thing.

maccored · 03-03-2021 10:12am

jh79 wrote: »

Both our links say the same thing.

that protesting isnt actually banned or illegal.

granted, people could be a bit more creative about how to protest rather than gathering in large groups. protests need exposure - not tons of people contravening Covid guidelines.

blanch152 · 03-03-2021 10:15am

jh79 wrote: »

Both our links say the same thing.

That link says that last June "If you wanted to organise a protest which followed social distancing guidelines, it would mean arranging lots of small groups of four people, who practiced social distancing within 5km of their home."

Under current restrictions, a one-man protest within 5km might be legal, anything else illegal.

jh79 · 03-03-2021 10:29am

maccored wrote: »

that protesting isnt actually banned or illegal.

granted, people could be a bit more creative about how to protest rather than gathering in large groups. protests need exposure - not tons of people contravening Covid guidelines.

They are not exempt from the regulations though either which is what my link highlighted. Protest in the traditional sense of a mass gathering are illegal.

blanch152 · 04-03-2021 10:55am

https://www.irishnews.com/paywall/tsb/irishnews/irishnews/irishnews//news/northernirelandnews/2021/03/03/news/sinn-fe-in-say-hunger-strike-poster-will-not-be-removed-after-unionist-complaints-2241898/content.html

They really can't help themselves, can they? Finding new ways to antagonise the other side all the time.

I see the Guardian are now reviewing all of Greenslade's articles following a complaint by Mairia Cahill. The slur on her character continually propogated by a few posters around here originated from his writing. When the retraction and apology comes from the Guardian, I suppose posters will line up to similarly apologise?

FrancieBrady · 04-03-2021 11:02am

blanch152 wrote: »

https://www.irishnews.com/paywall/tsb/irishnews/irishnews/irishnews//news/northernirelandnews/2021/03/03/news/sinn-fe-in-say-hunger-strike-poster-will-not-be-removed-after-unionist-complaints-2241898/content.html

They really can't help themselves, can they? Finding new ways to antagonise the other side all the time.

I see the Guardian are now reviewing all of Greenslade's articles following a complaint by Mairia Cahill. The slur on her character continually propogated by a few posters around here originated from his writing. When the retraction and apology comes from the Guardian, I suppose posters will line up to similarly apologise?

What has a British newspaper's squabble with Maria Cahill got to do with SF or poster's here?

blanch152 · 04-03-2021 11:18am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What has a British newspaper's squabble with Maria Cahill got to do with SF or poster's here?

The journalist in question was a secret Sinn Fein member and threw unjustified slurs at Mairia Cahill which have since been repeated ad nauseum on here by Sinn Fein sympathisers.

Pretty much completely on topic.

FrancieBrady · 04-03-2021 11:22am

blanch152 wrote: »

The journalist in question was a secret Sinn Fein member and threw unjustified slurs at Mairia Cahill which have since been repeated ad nauseum on here by Sinn Fein sympathisers.

Pretty much completely on topic.

What slurs?

Who slurred Maria Cahill here?

What we don't know about this case is STILL 99% of the facts blanch. All we have is a woman's word against a man's.

A man who hasn't been found guilty of anything.

Are you 'slurring' his name here? This works both ways.

a very cool kid · 04-03-2021 11:55am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What slurs?

Who slurred Maria Cahill here?

What we don't know about this case is STILL 99% of the facts blanch. All we have is a woman's word against a man's.

A man who hasn't been found guilty of anything.

Are you 'slurring' his name here? This works both ways.

Just to be clear - do you think she's lying?

We all know no one was prosecuted...but no one gets prosecuted for a lot of stuff

FrancieBrady · 04-03-2021 12:04pm

a very cool kid wrote: »

Just to be clear - do you think she's lying?

We all know no one was prosecuted...but no one gets prosecuted for a lot of stuff

It doesn't matter what I think, nor does it matter what you think or blanch thinks frankly.

This is a discussion forum, what Maria Cahill claims can be discussed if it is in the public domain. And other than her allegation of abuse/rape, Maria Cahill has made many other unbacked up claims too.

I'm interested to see incidents of her being 'slurred' and what the threshold is, if the man at the centre of these allegations can be 'assumed' to be guilty and that 'isn't' a slur on his name. A 'name' he turned up to court to defend.

You may think he is guilty but to claim it as a fact is to slur him too surely?

RandomViewer · 04-03-2021 2:09pm

blanch152 wrote: »

The journalist in question was a secret Sinn Fein member and threw unjustified slurs at Mairia Cahill which have since been repeated ad nauseum on here by Sinn Fein sympathisers.

Pretty much completely on topic.

Hardly a secret, he has always written from a pro SF stance and regularly contributed to radio shows from that viewpoint for about 25 years,

maccored · 04-03-2021 2:29pm

blanch152 wrote: »

https://www.irishnews.com/paywall/tsb/irishnews/irishnews/irishnews//news/northernirelandnews/2021/03/03/news/sinn-fe-in-say-hunger-strike-poster-will-not-be-removed-after-unionist-complaints-2241898/content.html

They really can't help themselves, can they? Finding new ways to antagonise the other side all the time.

I see the Guardian are now reviewing all of Greenslade's articles following a complaint by Mairia Cahill. The slur on her character continually propogated by a few posters around here originated from his writing. When the retraction and apology comes from the Guardian, I suppose posters will line up to similarly apologise?

Unionists in Tyrone never removed flags in Omagh when requested by the general public. Didnt make the national news so blanch152 wasnt offended

blanch152 · 04-03-2021 2:58pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It doesn't matter what I think, nor does it matter what you think or blanch thinks frankly.

This is a discussion forum, what Maria Cahill claims can be discussed if it is in the public domain. And other than her allegation of abuse/rape, Maria Cahill has made many other unbacked up claims too.

I'm interested to see incidents of her being 'slurred' and what the threshold is, if the man at the centre of these allegations can be 'assumed' to be guilty and that 'isn't' a slur on his name. A 'name' he turned up to court to defend.

You may think he is guilty but to claim it as a fact is to slur him too surely?

The lengths that people will go to to defend IRA kangaroo courts that were continuing up until the early 2000s is incredible.

FrancieBrady · 04-03-2021 3:14pm

blanch152 wrote: »

The lengths that people will go to to defend IRA kangaroo courts that were continuing up until the early 2000s is incredible.

Who 'defended' kangaroo courts?

The only person in this conversation who ever condoned kangaroo courts is Cahill herself during her time as a supporter of the IRA and being anti any contact with the RUC.

I never supported the IRA or kangaroo courts.

blanch152 · 04-03-2021 3:36pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Who 'defended' kangaroo courts?

The only person in this conversation who ever condoned kangaroo courts is Cahill herself during her time as a supporter of the IRA and being anti any contact with the RUC.

I never supported the IRA or kangaroo courts.

So you agree that it was wrong that Mairia Cahill was the subject of a kangaroo court?

FrancieBrady · 04-03-2021 3:46pm

blanch152 wrote: »

So you agree that it was wrong that Mairia Cahill was the subject of a kangaroo court?

Has that been proven?

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