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Ulster Unionist Party

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    #32
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    So Owen, you completly deny that the UUP and the unionist powers institutionally discriminated against catholics? Gerrymandered votes? Ran them out of jobs?(OP thats probably why the dock workers voted the way they did, catholics were run out). Generally just treated Catholics as second class citizens?

    Anyway, I think the OP needs to take the OO into account. Protestants on every level were members, from road sweepers to ministers. This was the glue that held them together. The siege mentality that was spread by the powers that be led the protestant populace to vote the way they did. They dared not deviate lest the nationalists got a voice. Republicanism has long been associated with socialism.

    What about protestants. Yep thats true i don't think i know any protestants who didn't have ancestors in it, though its not really that common now, it has usually stopped at the grandparents generation most of the time. Even protestants in america were in it!


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    #33
    Wolfe Tone
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    owenc wrote: »
    What about protestants. Yep thats true i don't think i know any protestants who didn't have ancestors in it, though its not really that common now.
    What? Are you suggesting that they were treated the same way?


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    #34
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    What? Are you suggesting that they were treated the same way?

    Of course, and how do you know they weren't


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    #35
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    owenc wrote: »
    Of course, and how do you know they weren't
    The mind boggles.


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    #36
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    The mind boggles.

    See what i mean.:rolleyes:


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    #37
    deise go deo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭deise go deo


    owenc wrote: »
    Aw naw we have it in our school but its only because we are a mixed school and you have to be in sixth form to play it, its not compulsery for games like rugby or football and the ones in my year just play it at home or are in a team, though its not very common, just a few people, i was just saying its rising in protestants.



    Well thats good, You ever go for a puc around?
    Of course, and how do you know they weren't


    You yourself admited they werent in Derry.


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    #38
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    deise go deo wrote: »
    Well thats good, You ever go for a puc around?




    You yourself admited they werent in Derry.

    Naw, i'm not really interesting in irish culture. Yes but overall they were not, i'm sick of these ridiculous claims. Now when i say derry i mean derry city, not county londonderry.


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    #39
    deise go deo
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    owenc wrote: »
    Naw, i'm not really interesting in irish culture. Yes but overall they were not, i'm sick of these ridiculous claims. Now when i say derry i mean derry city, not county londonderry.


    I would call the county 'Derry' too, however I knew you ment the city. I dont see how its ''Ridiculous'' to claim that Nationalist were not treated equally in Northern Society.

    You should give the Hurling a go sometime, you never know, you might like it.


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    #40
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    deise go deo wrote: »
    I would call the county 'Derry' too, however I knew you ment the city. I dont see how its ''Ridiculous'' to claim that Nationalist were not treated equally in Northern Society.

    You should give the Hurling a go sometime, oe never know, you might like it.

    Well i call it derry because i would sound like a bigot if i called it londonderry and my mother and grandmother would kill me, but i will always call the county, county londonderry..:rolleyes: It is ridiculous i'm sick of these hardcore republicans saying that unionists stole all the land and were treated differently overall. Naw i don't think i'd like it and i'm not republican, sorry but no thanks.


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    #41
    deise go deo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭deise go deo


    owenc wrote: »
    Well i call it derry because i would sound like a bigot if i called it londonderry and my mother and grandmother would kill me, but i will always call the county, county londonderry..:rolleyes: It is ridiculous i'm sick of these hardcore republicans saying that unionists stole all the land and were treated differently overall. Naw i don't think i'd like it and i'm not republican, sorry but no thanks.


    You dont have to be a Republican to play hurling, Was Carson a republican?

    Why do you think Nationalist werent treated differentally? Did gerrymandering affect all communities equally?


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    #42
    Wolfe Tone
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    Why do you think Nationalist werent treated differentally? Did gerrymandering affect all communities equally?
    It is really not worth it Deise. You never get anywhere with this guy, head is firmly buried. If you don't agree with him you are a big bad republican.


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    #43
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    deise go deo wrote: »
    You dont have to be a Republican to play hurling, Was Carson a republican?

    Why do you think Nationalist werent treated differentally? Did gerrymandering affect all communities equally?

    I don't want to be seen as a nationalist. They were treated differently in politics as such but it really depended where you were.


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    #44
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    It is really not worth it Deise. You never get anywhere with this guy, head is firmly buried. If you don't agree with him you are a big bad republican.

    When did i ever say that, and i'm not going to change my views to agree with you.


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    #45
    Denerick
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,488 ✭✭✭Denerick


    owenc wrote: »
    Of course, and how do you know they weren't


    You don't do your camp any favours by denying the past.


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    #46
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    Denerick wrote: »
    You don't do your camp any favours by denying the past.

    How about we just forget about the past


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    #47
    Wolfe Tone
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    owenc wrote: »
    How about we just forget about the past
    So you acknowledge that it happened then?


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    #48
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    So you acknowledge that it happened then?

    No because it happened to the unionists as well and you honestly don't know what happened.


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    #49
    Denerick
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,488 ✭✭✭Denerick


    owenc wrote: »
    How about we just forget about the past

    I agree 100%! Perhaps not forget, but certainly move on. I know all too well how the past gets manipulated and twisted in order to legitimise quasi fascist movements.

    But at the same time, nothing is gained by denying the past.


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    #50
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    Denerick wrote: »
    I agree 100%! Perhaps not forget, but certainly move on. I know all too well how the past gets manipulated and twisted in order to legitimise quasi fascist movements.

    But at the same time, nothing is gained by denying the past.

    ... there is also nothing gained by not recgonising certain parts of the past.;)


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    #51
    Wolfe Tone
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    owenc wrote: »
    No because it happened to the unionists as well and you honestly don't know what happened.
    It happened to the unionists as well? Just what are you on?


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    #52
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    It happened to the unionists as well? Just what are you on?

    You explain that too my ancestors.;)


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    #53
    Wolfe Tone
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    owenc wrote: »
    You explain that too my ancestors.;)
    Oh here we go, the relatives have been brought into it, I was waiting for that Eoin.


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    #54
    Denerick
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,488 ✭✭✭Denerick


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    It happened to the unionists as well? Just what are you on?

    To be fair to OwenC, I'm sure he is complaining about cultural discrimination, which Protestants in certain parts in the north certainly faced at times. It could be benign, like a catholic farmer refusing to give work to a protestant youth, or it could be overt, like a known protestant driving through a 'tricolour village' at the height of the troubles.

    But this is a long long long way away from the institutional and systematic discrimination nationalists faced from the Northern Irish State.


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    #55
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    Denerick wrote: »
    To be fair to OwenC, I'm sure he is complaining about cultural discrimination, which Protestants in certain parts in the north certainly faced at times. It could be benign, like a catholic farmer refusing to give work to a protestant youth, or it could be overt, like a known protestant driving through a 'tricolour village' at the height of the troubles.

    But this is a long long long way away from the institutional and systematic discrimination nationalists faced from the Northern Irish State.

    I'm talking about both of them as well as the penal laws. I know of protestants who never got jobs because of their religion etc.


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    #56
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Oh here we go, the relatives have been brought into it, I was waiting for that Eoin.

    Read the definition of my name its clearly english their is no irish translation so don't try that **** with me!:mad: And yes you would be shocked if you heard what happened to them.


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    #57
    Wolfe Tone
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    Denerick wrote: »
    To be fair to OwenC, I'm sure he is complaining about cultural discrimination, which Protestants in certain parts in the north certainly faced at times. It could be benign, like a catholic farmer refusing to give work to a protestant youth, or it could be overt, like a known protestant driving through a 'tricolour village' at the height of the troubles.

    But this is a long long long way away from the institutional and systematic discrimination nationalists faced from the Northern Irish State.
    Considering we were talking about gerrymandering etc I doubt that.


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    #58
    Wolfe Tone
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    owenc wrote: »
    Read the definition of my name its clearly english their is no irish translation so don't try that **** with me!:mad: And yes you would be shocked if you heard what happened to them.
    Sorry, am just used to writing Owen as Eoin.


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